I used a particle accelerator to look inside my own microchips!

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Interview with Tomas: • using X-rays to make 3...
Thanks to:
* Paul Scherrer institute for permission to film and the drone footage: www.psi.ch/en
* James for helping with the filming
* Maximo for the 3D renders
00:00 Intro
01:22 SLS
01:48 How the experiment works
02:41 Synchrotron overview
03:19 cSAXS beamline
03:39 Optics hutch
04:08 Experimental hutch
05:14 Search procedure
05:54 Starting the scan
06:36 Scanning
07:17 Raw data
07:48 Problems with reconstruction
09:11 Results!
10:50 Thanks
11:00 Flashing Blue Buttons by the Synchrotron 5
Correction: 10:40 local interconnect material is titanium nitride not polysilicon

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@gsuberland
@gsuberland Жыл бұрын
That hutch search safety procedure is really smart. Just a few buttons and a simple low-burden walkthrough making it incredibly difficult to accidentally expose someone to harmful x-ray levels, while minimising the likelihood of process fatigue.
@BranchEducation
@BranchEducation Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!! It's really incredible to truly see the inside of a microchip, and see how it matches up with the 3D render from the design software.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@BreakingTaps
@BreakingTaps Жыл бұрын
Super cool! Thanks for filming and sharing with us! Laminography was new to me, but makes sense given the layout of planar devices.
@RECESSIM
@RECESSIM Жыл бұрын
The resolution they can get is amazing! Congrats on all the progress with Zero to ASIC, been following a long time. Might need to feature this technique on Reverse Engineering News!
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
thanks! And yes I'd love to be featured on REN!
@bleeptrack
@bleeptrack Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! That was super interesting!
@denischikita
@denischikita Жыл бұрын
My god! This is unique piece of content!
@elitewolverine
@elitewolverine 11 ай бұрын
dude....that was simply awesome!
@PsychogenicTechnologies
@PsychogenicTechnologies Жыл бұрын
Wow, really cool! Glad you got out of that room prior to bombardment: chances of becoming Doctor Manhattan are pretty low, I keep being told. That alarm sound, though... serious business, oof. The match between the 3D model and the x-ray results is so precise (10:38), amazing. About the alignment using the features--is the manual matlab/python hacking a standard part of the process, as in required every time, or was the IC particularly troublesome? Super neat that you got to do this and visit the synchrotron: thanks for sharing :)
@matthewvenn
@matthewvenn Жыл бұрын
They're developing a process here, so I think it's pretty normal to be hacking on the results
@DavidJapanese
@DavidJapanese Жыл бұрын
"flashing blue buttons" 😆
@skabbymuff111
@skabbymuff111 11 ай бұрын
Amazing! Subscribed 👍
@MetaView7
@MetaView7 11 ай бұрын
This is mind-boggling!
@sky173
@sky173 10 ай бұрын
What amazes me most is that people actually have the knowledge to design such a machine. Way too cool! Thanks for sharing.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, amazing. When I visited I felt that in a different timeline I would have loved being involved in the design / build of science tools like this.
@NathanaelNewton
@NathanaelNewton 11 ай бұрын
Wow you've got some legendary channels in the comments here D: Amazing content, looking forward to seeing more!
@anadventfollower1181
@anadventfollower1181 Жыл бұрын
Very cool stuff
@Galileocrafter
@Galileocrafter Жыл бұрын
Nice i have been to the PSI a couple of times, sadly never inside the particle accelerator.
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 11 ай бұрын
"i can get in whenever i want" Uh huh, try coming back next week, see if that actually works! 😂
@wolpumba4099
@wolpumba4099 Жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@bigjoeangel
@bigjoeangel 10 ай бұрын
Man goes to donut factory and gets chips.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 10 ай бұрын
lolz
@FlVE
@FlVE 11 ай бұрын
The thumbnail looks like a camera assembly of a phone from 2006
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect Жыл бұрын
I love a nice synchrotron... I was lucky enough to work at Diamond Light Source for a little bit. - Just writing JavaScript - nothing special or cool... still it's nice to go for a walk round a synchrotron on your lunch break. I never got to play in the experiment hutches like you do though... I'm quite jealous.
@magran17
@magran17 Жыл бұрын
Magnificent.
@jupiter3888
@jupiter3888 11 ай бұрын
6:36 bottom right, the food truck is ready at 11:30!
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 11 ай бұрын
I wondered who would spot that! The thai food was great!
@TryerTofuture-uo7xx
@TryerTofuture-uo7xx Жыл бұрын
That was amazing
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@maartenofbelgium
@maartenofbelgium Жыл бұрын
In other words, you ran a TVL on it! TVL: Tomography Versus Layout
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
LVL - laminography vs layout!
@OhHeyTrevorFlowers
@OhHeyTrevorFlowers Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@wdtripps44
@wdtripps44 10 ай бұрын
Should be able to look into the future with that thing.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 10 ай бұрын
I know right!
@kevinb.8649
@kevinb.8649 Жыл бұрын
Yes there is. Intel has a machine that uses lasers to repair and even adjust the transistors in chips. It’s all most like a freaking magic machine but it works and some other video shows it think Linus tec shows it. But they can target isolate and adjust individual transistors on a chip with it.
@pikachu5188
@pikachu5188 Жыл бұрын
Only 00:08 sec. into this video discussing integrated circuit designing 103 and then this happens ... IC Designer *:* "One of the hardest thing is, once you get your chips back, if something is wrong with it, how can you test it ?" 🤦 This designer requires remedial electronics, needs a bit of reverse engineering, maybe employ DUT/EUT/UUT methods for _in situ_ automation testing and please find this chip's electronic schematic. You do have a duplicate ? Yes ??
@kevinb.8649
@kevinb.8649 Жыл бұрын
@@pikachu5188 I get that and the validation process. Even with intel they don’t shoot for 100% and really every chip has small differences on how efficient they work and performance output just intel makes it where as long as it can do so much it passes or fails. That’s normal and there will all ways be deviations in performance and stuff but that is to be expected and can be controlled thru quality control and validation processes.
@kevinb.8649
@kevinb.8649 11 ай бұрын
Yeah most people absolutely do not know how chips are made let alone how once you have a chip then getting it to do what you want let alone then further optimization to get the most performance out with out breaking it or having inefficiencies that waste power usage. Let alone even begin to understand doing things on that scale they have standards and allowable differences in each individual chip and they only look to if they pass the minimum standards set and some can exceed that by quite a bit while others in the same batch have dead spots in each core but still meet the minimum standard to pass and preform fine. People are literally shocked when u tell them they print cpu chips in the same method lithography posters are made. And have no understanding of the nanometer topography thinking if it’s a 5 nm chip everything is literally 5nm. No. It’s the wavelength of light able to lay down and create smaller transistors and stuff.
@stuartmaclean8668
@stuartmaclean8668 10 ай бұрын
Ah I see your using Lattice FPGA's, lovely little chips full of video transcoding goodnesss.... I use it for a LVDS camera to a MIPI-DPHY conversion and been getting it working with a number of SoCs. Currently trying to get our Lattice chips talking to the Jetson Orin great fun.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, I switched to using them as they're the best supported by the open source FPGA tools
@feydrautha
@feydrautha Жыл бұрын
De Categoria!
@megathe2136
@megathe2136 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@thatguy6442
@thatguy6442 Жыл бұрын
This is interesting
@algator55
@algator55 11 ай бұрын
The insanity of building such a complex and large machine for a small gain is mind-boggling.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 11 ай бұрын
This machine used for so many types of experiments! They do a lot of semiconductor development work there as well, they currently hold the world record for fastest transistors!
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 11 ай бұрын
Need to put some tracking markers on the die! 😂 (Commonly seen on, older, morion tracking suits used in visual fx in movies, to track similar spots across multiple cameras)
@campbellmorrison8540
@campbellmorrison8540 Жыл бұрын
Wow that is amazing at all levels but have you found the problem in your design?
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
This one worked, so it was more about being able to see inside than trying to diagnose a problem
@Tgspartnership
@Tgspartnership Жыл бұрын
Nice sensor
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
Yeah, single photons!
@shimrrashai-rc8fq
@shimrrashai-rc8fq Жыл бұрын
I wonder: what does it take to learn how to design your own _motherboards?_ Like design a board so we can make an open source ARM or RISC-V PC board, in a proper PC form factor, with existing chips. My electronic engineering doesn't go much past the "RLC" stage but I wonder what I could do with years of consistency
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 11 ай бұрын
Definitely doable, I recommend www.youtube.com/@RobertFeranec
@vitorstreetboys
@vitorstreetboys Жыл бұрын
4:22 ChiclÉtchi
@florinbaciu2325
@florinbaciu2325 Жыл бұрын
This video was really intresting. Also can you recommend some starting points for the ones that dont have 650 usd for the course? Thank you :)
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
Apply for the grant and check out tinytapeout
@florinbaciu2325
@florinbaciu2325 Жыл бұрын
@@ZeroToASICcourse went to that page a few times and i didn't noticed the grand , thank you soo much!
@vitorstreetboys
@vitorstreetboys Жыл бұрын
Caraca o maluco foi parar lá no sinchrotron com o chip dele
@user-uz4ti5zs8z
@user-uz4ti5zs8z 10 ай бұрын
Can you make a microprocessor 128bit utilizing lasers and C carbon like graphite/graphine. and the ISA architype building RISC V? I feel this will be a revolutionary tech feit
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 10 ай бұрын
I can't! I don't know anything about building CPUs with graphene!
@pappaflammyboi5799
@pappaflammyboi5799 Жыл бұрын
You can also use a 1550 nm infrared camera filter to see inside the chip too. And, it won't require a billion-dollar setup either.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
Only down to the top metal. See Bunnie Huang's post for details. And way lower resolution.
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 11 ай бұрын
Is it destructive?
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 11 ай бұрын
Ultimately no, but they had to cut the die to fit it into the sample holder.
@ghlscitel6714
@ghlscitel6714 Жыл бұрын
What was the energy of the x-ray quanta for this investigation?
@NickPhillips-cy5ng
@NickPhillips-cy5ng Жыл бұрын
We used an energy of 6.2 keV (wavelength of 2e-10 m). This energy gives good contrast for samples of this thickness and composition, plus it's where we have the most photons at our instrument at the Swiss Light Source.
@matthewvenn
@matthewvenn Жыл бұрын
@@NickPhillips-cy5ng Thanks!
@ghlscitel6714
@ghlscitel6714 Жыл бұрын
@@NickPhillips-cy5ng Interesting. This energy is almost ideally detected with cadmium telluride 2-dimensional detectors as used in medical applications. Was this in your set up? Curious to learn more.
@NickPhillips-cy5ng
@NickPhillips-cy5ng Жыл бұрын
@@ghlscitel6714An Eiger photon counting detector was used with a silicon sensor. This particular detector is an in house development, although it is similar to commercial detectors made by Dectris.
@92baruff
@92baruff 6 күн бұрын
@@NickPhillips-cy5ng The amazing Eiger 🙌
@worldofmix6766
@worldofmix6766 11 ай бұрын
Can someone reverse engineer CPUs with this method? Is there another way of doing that?
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 11 ай бұрын
Yes you can. The reason the researchers are doing this is to check that the chip that is manufactured matches what they get back. To make sure no back doors were secretly inserted by the manufacturer. But with all the 3d information, you could rebuild the whole netlist and reverse engineer the CPU. It would be a mammoth task for modern CPUs though!
@dougaltolan3017
@dougaltolan3017 11 ай бұрын
Just order some that aren't encapsulated.
@nekomakhea9440
@nekomakhea9440 Жыл бұрын
So you gave your chip a CAT scan?
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
maybe a CAL scan? T stands for tomography, and here we used Laminography.
@jediknight2350
@jediknight2350 Жыл бұрын
Alien technology right there we didnt go from horse and cart to this in 100 years without are51 taking apart ufo,s.
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse Жыл бұрын
I hope you're joking! Otherwise, try reading "The Ten Most Beautiful Experiments" by George Johnson
@jediknight2350
@jediknight2350 Жыл бұрын
@@ZeroToASICcourse i hope your joking but then your probs a woke liberal with the intelligence of a slug and cant think for yourself you have to let everyone else do it for you , i feel sorry for you.
@casev799
@casev799 Жыл бұрын
Ik the parts at 3:40 are proper done and they are better than I could do it, but it looks like just sone random aluminum foil slapped on and it makes me worried
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 11 ай бұрын
Yeah the foil looks very hacky. I think it's because to get very high vacuum they have to heat the machines, and then the foil helps keep it warm.
@bungalowjuice7225
@bungalowjuice7225 Жыл бұрын
I truly am a nerd
@F4Insight-uq6nt
@F4Insight-uq6nt 10 ай бұрын
MM = 33
@GraczPierwszy
@GraczPierwszy Жыл бұрын
można zetrzeć warstwowo laserem po 1 nanometrze i robić zdjęcia mikroskopem, nic prostrzego, kwestia środków i dostępu do technologii
@DesertVox
@DesertVox 10 ай бұрын
Subhanallah. This is still a superficial level of 'science' of reality.
@neerajwa
@neerajwa Жыл бұрын
This guy talked a ton about how he took the images. Then last few seconds showed us the actual images. Don't waste your time
@MarianKeller
@MarianKeller Жыл бұрын
The actual imaging process is the interesting part.
@manomyth11
@manomyth11 10 ай бұрын
Yea''''' but does it work''
@ZeroToASICcourse
@ZeroToASICcourse 10 ай бұрын
yep!
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