I went unconscious trying to understand consciousness

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5 ай бұрын

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@thimbaiah9005 5 ай бұрын

This proves humans ke ancestors ko excessive mental masturbation karne ka kafi shauk tha

@amangupta-rz7hn 5 ай бұрын

😂😂aaj bhi hai, debates ko mental satisfaction ke liye kiya jyata tha naki kuch conclusion nikaalney ke liye

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

@@amangupta-rz7hn😂

@thimbaiah9005 5 ай бұрын

@@amangupta-rz7hn Fr

@Muktikantag 5 ай бұрын

@@amangupta-rz7hn So true, man!

@whoaskedxdegfx Ай бұрын

@@amangupta-rz7hn😂😂😂😂😂 Astik ho ya nastik ladte ye log ha maza hume aata hai 😂

@vegaz4966 5 ай бұрын

According to his logic universe came into existence when his consciousness came into existence.

@Mad_Man888 2 ай бұрын

Yes

@Aman-vh7nd Ай бұрын

Universe ushi k sath pada hua h 😎 😂

@premprabhakar1083 5 ай бұрын

If he dies his conscious dies with him. The reality remains same. In other words if he dies his conscious of his kids dies but not to real kids.

@shivoesho9638 5 ай бұрын

Ye caller pagal ho gya hai 😂

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

😜

@Cheguevara820 4 ай бұрын

Hume bhi yahi lgta hai

@_theabhinav 3 ай бұрын

Tabhi gharwale mujhe “philosophy” otional ke liye mana karte the…😂😂

@Cheguevara820 3 ай бұрын

@@_theabhinav to fir kaun sa liyA ?

@_theabhinav 3 ай бұрын

@@Cheguevara820 philosophy

@footballfever09 5 ай бұрын

According to that guy, consciousness is just solipsism of entire human kind.

@soutrikchakraborty5211 5 ай бұрын

I think Vipin is missing a simple point. Objective Reality is what exists, despite no body observing it. We can not see UV or X Ray. Neither did we know about them. But they existed all the same. Doing what they do. If you close your eyes and enter a room. One will only collide with the walls where the walls are. No where else. So, that does entail the existence of something in that place, that activated our sense of touch. That something is defined as Objective reality. No matter how an animal perceives the world. They will agree that the wall exists. They may call it a different name and they may perceive it differently. But they will agree on the existence of the wall. Science is the study of this Objective Reality. And it succeeds in doing so, that is the reason it works. Vipin is advocating for Berkley's Idealism. Which is an extremely regressive idea. Especially when we can take photographs of things when no one is watching. And our detectors measuring things when no one is seeing, and things which can never be seen by us.

@shibamcoss 3 ай бұрын

👍

@amanpatel6203 Ай бұрын

absolutely true

@unlearnwithprasanna 5 ай бұрын

Reality is stranger than fiction, ground reality is stranger than non-fiction. 😂

@DevduttaFlute 3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@Milindmutuswami 5 ай бұрын

I don't really know where this comes in Hinduism, I'm sure he's just telling the Philosophy of Plato. His words match a lot with those of Plato...

@thebioinformaticsbro785 4 ай бұрын

@user-fh7ru2sp5t Advaita Vedanta didn't start with Shankaracharya, but with the Upanishads (ex: Mandukya) that predates Plato and even Buddhism.

@mithilbhoras5951 29 күн бұрын

@@Usuebsuushdhiey Yes this is in advaita philosophy. I have only read Atmabodha and Tattvabodha but they do cover an idealistic view of reality.

@berlinend..4335 4 ай бұрын

Caller is in game simulation word😂

@Philosopher-ey6qg 5 ай бұрын

Vimoh's approach is Srishti Drishti While the caller is Drishti Srishti

@Muktikantag 5 ай бұрын

Bhai aap bahut sahi jaa rahe ho. My only contention is that you sometimes assume our intelligence is at par with yours, or maybe you just get frustrated and go with the flow when dealing with callers beating around the bush and wasting your time. I do understand that the conversation would have been longer and other callers worth their salt would have unjustly missed their turn, had you let him finish his point just for the sake of it and then destroyed him in your usual brutal manner. All said, I still wanted to hear his point of view; this video would have been more enlightening.

@vimohlive 5 ай бұрын

His point of view was contradictory. What you heard was all there was. He didn't need more time. He had already said it three times

@mithilbhoras5951 Ай бұрын

I think both of them are describing existence in different ways. Vimoh is talking about the physical object. The caller is talking about the idea of that physical object

@criticalpsyche Ай бұрын

i think you should have a writing pad where you write down their ideas in note so they won't change it when they get contradicted.

@piccolosamathegodofdestruc373 5 ай бұрын

I dont believe in any ideology, but you should let him speak vimoh!

@Ihsan_khan00 5 ай бұрын

My question for you, a religious teacher put forth this argument that consciousness evolved later in the timeline of evolution can it be used in principle to understand former genealogy, since which is act of consciousness.

@Random-pk7sl 5 ай бұрын

So dinausoura did not exists at all...since we humans were not even there...😂 how can outisde objevt cease to exist if our consciousness ceases to recognise it...if this is true what happens at night...does my home cease to exists because all family members are sleeping and there ia no consciousness of it?

@No-I-dont-want-that 5 ай бұрын

We don't really know, cause you cannot really prove it. If something is not observed, then no one can really know what happens with it. If we try to know, we are observing it, which means it is back to orignal state. So if you do not observe something it does not cease to exist but we simply cannot state what happens with it.

@Random-pk7sl 5 ай бұрын

@@No-I-dont-want-that The logic that it cannot be proved if not observed does not apply here since we all know dinosaurs ( and many other species) did exist even before humans existed. The home does not cease to exist at night since if it did cease to exist, we would be soaked in water if it was raining at the time. Similarly, now we know diseases like polio, cold etc. are caused by microbes, but before invention on the microscope, we did not. These microbes were not in consiousness of any human, so we should have been perfectly healthy, which is obviously not the case. Objects are outside, we only become conscious of it through are senses. Objects are not dependent on consciousness.

@SheshGamingOfficial 5 ай бұрын

Please make a video on the topics discussed in this video at 8 min 30second and 15 minute on YT (5 feb) Dr Vikas Divyakirti Vs Mufti Yasir Nadeem al Wajidi

@user-ji6ku2wc5y Ай бұрын

दृष्टि और सृष्टि

@Jibreel-jt1qh 4 ай бұрын

Consciousness is still a hard problem to solve. Some believe that we are what we experience which is the result of brain activity, but we also see that microprocessor also has complex circuit and data processing capability but it doesn't give computer subjective experience. It is difficult to prove experiencer of subjective experience which don't have physical basis.

@INVINCIBLE_MIX 4 ай бұрын

where is the full video?

@isqeisqe 5 ай бұрын

- I understand what Vipin is trying to get to. "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" is a philosophical thought experiment that raises questions regarding observation and perception. It is an age old question on the subject of The Hard Problem of Consciousness . Vimoh you will benefit from reading more on Panpsychism and consciousness studies.

@triloksingh8058 5 ай бұрын

If a tree fall it will Make a sound even if no one around to hear it

@isqeisqe 5 ай бұрын

@@triloksingh8058 - the fact is, you don’t know, what you don’t know. That’s the hard problem of consciousness.

@triloksingh8058 5 ай бұрын

@@isqeisqe ok let say somewhere some one kills some one and nobody was their to see it does that means that murder did not happen . Just bec im or you or anybody were not present there to see that murder happen that does not means that murder did not happen, sure i will not have the evidence of who did it but some one did it killed that person Ps : i do. Not have that good of English if you find any mistake just correct it

@avq512h 5 ай бұрын

It will make sound, in an earth environment the tree is made of wood and when it hits the ground it will make a sound even if no one was there to hear it.

@coltcannon7785 Ай бұрын

His argument also implies that if all religions/religious people disappear from Earth then there will be no God left. hahaha

@chopsuey25 5 ай бұрын

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@bhavinsinyal8631 3 ай бұрын

@vimoh can i know who this person was?. I think I understood him. He just did not do a good job explaining himself.

@slaatybot 5 ай бұрын

the title bwahahhahahahha perfect

@Rationalistbe 4 ай бұрын

Full video

@gungunidhoop5942 3 ай бұрын

No logic works for a religious person. Period.they close their eyes and mind and stop asking any questions.

@Jyotirmay_Nath 5 ай бұрын

5:47 this is how I feel when I have to explain to my parents why I don't believe what they believe. It always ends in circular reasoning and logical fallacies. The thing is religions people are not trying to seek answers because they already have the answer to every question they do not understand, "God". I gave up explaining my viewpoint and I just play along now. Its easier to just say "yeah your'e right, I get it" and just move on. Religious gatherings and rituals are cool. Its fun most of the time.

@kevivsinha5128 Ай бұрын

Caller bhai ko lagta hai ki consciousness chali gayi to matter bhi gayab ho jayega. I think agar woh ye baat purely subjective basis pe bolta toh baat theek bhi hoti.

@footballfinallivegoals 5 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on Vipassana meditation just asking

@RanjanPradhan-ft7ui 5 ай бұрын

It’s nothing to do with any religion,u can do it

@footballfinallivegoals 5 ай бұрын

@@RanjanPradhan-ft7ui yes I have done 3 courses it changed my life from A-Z

@footballfinallivegoals 5 ай бұрын

@@RanjanPradhan-ft7ui it's great meditation to get rid of anger issues and to become calm minded I just wanted to know what are his thoughts bcz he is logical with brain nothing else I know Vipassana is great and helpful

@RanjanPradhan-ft7ui 5 ай бұрын

@@footballfinallivegoals Even buddha and SN Goinka themselves were agnostic but they practiced and promoted vipasana

@lycopodium262 5 ай бұрын

Is it worth to die for a country?

@ayush2426 4 ай бұрын

how can i join him for a debate i have friend who can debate with vimoh on topic of religion and god

@vimohlive 4 ай бұрын

Saturdays at 8 pm.

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 4 ай бұрын

U.l.m Hindi Bhi h ... Aaajoo.... Sab pe debate kre ... Koi bhi topic ho Okk 👍👍👍💓💓 Koi to aaaye ... Modern education walaa .. Jo aate h wo ... Kahaniii ko styaa mante h 😂😂😅😅😅😂

@himanshumakwana3666 3 ай бұрын

Banda...acharya Prashant ke videos dekh kr aaya hai...

@manojl3388 Ай бұрын

3 Buddhist monks saw a flag waving on a building first one said, the flag is waving the second says, you are wrong.. its the wind that is waving and third one says, you both are wrong... its the mind that is waving does this have any meaning? or who do you think is right comment please :)

@mithilbhoras5951 29 күн бұрын

It all depends on what is meant by "waving". In this case, the flag is waving. Does the wind play a role? Of course, but it is the cause of waving of the flag, not waving itself. And what does it even mean by "the mind is waving"??

@manojl3388 29 күн бұрын

@@mithilbhoras5951 This is just my assumption. Mind is waving meaning, you are conscious. Without consciousness we wont even see the flag, the wind or the space between subject and flag. Your thoughts?

@vishalrao497 5 ай бұрын

Ye acharya Prashant ka chela hai kya

@RanjanPradhan-ft7ui 5 ай бұрын

Acharya Prashant is rational this guy is not

@vishalrao497 5 ай бұрын

@@RanjanPradhan-ft7ui yes kuch samay tak maine unko suna tha woh bate toh logical karte hai unke vichar women's empowerment, animal compassion pe thik hai aur rational hai But unhone kabhi bhi vistaar se samaj me prachalit caste system , chhua chhut pe utna khulkar nahi bola jitna woh baki issues pe bolte hai aur woh bhi spritual jalebis bhi banate hai

@donniedarko5574 4 ай бұрын

Achaya prasant is the guy who knows who are his prime customers and how to satisfy them ..he never talked about nowadays religious politics, he never talked about casteism he never talked about racism , inequality & hero worshipping etc..only he promotes "religion over science" always talks about geeta pado , ved padho etc lekin kyun pade ? ..i used to listen this guy i thought he sound logical & rational but sometime after i discovered that he is just a religious businessman trying to make his career out of religion. The way he talked very rude & his view point is very narrow. I hope someday people will expose him .

@TSainehal 5 ай бұрын

Best way to prove that god's don't exist (Long term but has a high chance of success) Step 1-create a new religion Step 2-collect data from newly found archeological sites Step 3-claim that it is already written on our book and give them a fantasy with a set of odd rules Step 4- after gaining some popularity Prove them that all this was made up and hence this is the actual origin of religion Bonus-include some conspiracy theories Like reptile humans and give an explanation(makes the views hungry youtubers spread awareness about it Which makes our ride smooth)

@princeshivamvarma 4 ай бұрын

Omg that's what have been running sicnce long time

@mohammadasifiqubal110 5 ай бұрын

Hello sir

@vaibhavgholap3098 5 ай бұрын

Sir your contact

@happyguy650 4 ай бұрын

im shocked that such people actually exist.

@Sarojkumar-hg3ks 5 ай бұрын

jab mein chota tha, tab meri dadi maa mujhe kehti thi ki jab saam hoti hai tabh Suraj jo hai woh samandar ke andar ghus jata hai. tabh mein yeh bat sun leta tha. lekin jab mein bada hua toh sachai kuch aur thi suraj aur Samandar satya hai, lekin Suraj Samandar ke andar ghusna yeh humari agyan hai.

@hichcock7364 2 ай бұрын

माथापच्ची😂😂

@Howter2.0 5 ай бұрын

An atheist can understand the pain of a hundred theists, but even a hundred theists together cannot understand the pain of one atheist.😢😢

@basantyadav7487 23 күн бұрын

Your reality is born with you and will cease to exist when you die. People arguing that reality continues to exist even after a person is dead, may not be completely right because they are answering this question as a ' third person'. I think reality is perception based and personal.

@vimohlive 23 күн бұрын

Do you think the internet was created by human beings?

@basantyadav7487 23 күн бұрын

Yes@@vimohlive.

@vimohlive 22 күн бұрын

@@basantyadav7487 So the internet was created by people other than you who lived before you. right?

@basantyadav7487 22 күн бұрын

@@vimohlive that's correct. Can you please explain little more, where you getting at with this example? This is an interesting thought. All I am saying is that reality doesn’t exist for the deceased. As a living being we can claim that reality continue to exists but that is solely our notion, our perception of it. We cannot claim the same for the people who have departed this world.

@vimohlive 22 күн бұрын

@@basantyadav7487 The dead don't perceive reality. This is a better way of putting it. Saying "reality doesn't exist for the dead" seems to confuse more than it explains.

@animaniac9343 5 ай бұрын

The guy is confused about reality and "knowledge". I think vimoh's view is "The reality" and "the knowledge about reality" are not as much dependent as the caller thinks , the knowledge may depend upon reality but the reality itself is independent of the "knowledge" ... Correct me if I am wrong . On the other hand the caller believes the exact opposite

@narayanbarman5993 5 ай бұрын

There is no objective reality my dear. Whatever we level as reality is based upon our collective intersection of subjective experience.. So we can safely say Reality is subjective in the absolute sense.. Now coming to the point whether an object really exists or not objectively independent of a conscious observer is a deep philosophical question . In the quantum world, a quantum particle simultaneously exists in different states in the probability state, and when we try to observe that particle, the wave function collapses to a single state . So before observing we don't know how that particle physically existed in space-time In the same way in the classical world Conscious observers give meaning to the objects by Observing. Now don't make a strawmen fallacy by misunderstanding this idea that "when I or You stop observing something, it ceases to exist ". No😅 It's not that much easy dear. It's not about individual conscious observers rather collective conscious observers from humans to animals to insects to every living being which is conscious. Now , yes we can say if collective conscious observers cease to exist, the observed reality also ceases to exist. Now you can say "Bhai kuch to hoga " but the problem here is also " Bhai kuch to hoga " is a statement by a conscious observer. If there is no consciousness how can this statement also even exist , so the reality fabricated by senses

@animaniac9343 5 ай бұрын

I have no clue what you have explained but I'm not saying anything about subjectivity or objectivity about reality I am just trying to understand what their view points are in this debate

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

@@narayanbarman5993😮😮😮😮 Ye kyaa thaa😂😂😂😂

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

@@narayanbarman5993internet.. hai Isme kyaa subject and objectives reality.. 🤔

@soutrikchakraborty5211 5 ай бұрын

@@narayanbarman5993I feel pity for you dear, you have been misled by society and your parents. Don't worry i will teach you. No one was there to observe the birth of the Sun. But yet the star was born. No one was there to witness the chemical process that gave rise to the first cells, yet they were born. No one is there to look at Triton the moon of Neptune. Yet it orbits the Blue giant. Voyager is not a Conscious being it is not even living, it captured the picture of Triton. James Webb Space Telescope observed Galaxies that has never been seen and no Conscious observer can ever see them. Yet they exist and a machine can take a picture of from quadrillion miles apart. You appear extremely naive. But it is all right my dear. There is always time to learn. Your view is called naive idealism. If you were smart enough, you would know, such view is not tenable. Even Berkley who came up with this view, had to reject it. And he came to the conclusion that God has to watch over reality for it to exist when no one is watching. Even in Vedanta, the idea is much subtle. They advocate for an external reality an objective reality, but that reality is in the mind of the Brahman. You can not get away with the idea of Objective Reality if you are willing to think even a little. The Truth shall set you free my dear. Wake up from this delusion, embrace the truth. Think critically. Question your assumptions. Read Science. Explore the natural world ask the deepest questions. And learn to say you don't know, Instead of making fanciful stories that sooth your heart. I can only hope my message will meet you in a good term, and you will embark on a new journey to know the wonders of this amazing and Natural World. The world that has existed since the dawn of time and will exist long since we are gone !

@amandmx 5 ай бұрын

Ise Hinduism k bare me kuch ni pta hasue ki sadi me khurpe k geet gaa rha h Hinduism me koi spiritual ity ni h sirf jainism or Buddhism me h inke dhrm me pashubali caste system pakhand ye sb h jaisa ki aaj ye krte h

@swapnilagarkar9197 5 ай бұрын

Hello sir i have a ques. Is buddhism part of hinduism ?

@Sreetam867 5 ай бұрын

Bro you should have got a national creator award for spreading rationality and atheism in India And dhruv rathee for exposing bjp and godi media when there was no one doing that dhruv rathee doing that from 2016

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

😮😮😮😮

@pawanbarolia6748 Ай бұрын

Ye bhai kewal impose karna chahta hai apne vichar , bhai eise kaise deal kar lete ho bhai ,mai to frustrate ho kai bhai bahut dharya hai aap mai vimoh

@SyedIqbal-xb7ck 5 ай бұрын

I dont get it...why such effort....its the matter of using some brains rational wits without any biases....thats it.....enjoy being the part of human species..

@pawanbarolia6748 Ай бұрын

Kya bewakoof hai sab human being mar jayenge to ganta phark nahi padta jo cheej rahegi wo to rahegi

@MrlovaLova16 14 күн бұрын

arey Ghochu har imagined reality ko shape and definition dene se wo empirically exist nahi karta. Hum apne imagination ko shape and definition de sakte hai. Lekin kuch imagined reality ko shape de sakte hai jo really exist karta hai physically and with evidence. Example:- house, cigrate, book, pen, phone, cycle etc. Lekin kuch imagined reality ko shape and definition de sakte hai lekin wo physical exist nahi karta and uska koi empirical evidence bhi nahi hota. Example:- batman Superman Ironman He-Man shaktimaan tiranga nagraj, Last but not the least 'God'.

@warrior_of_liberation 5 ай бұрын

Basically, God resides in Labyrinth of BS. You can find one if you are willing to dive into it. As a thinking beings...i think we are better than that.

@Arizona1234sgjj 2 ай бұрын

There's no God at all

@user-ke4kt8hx7i 4 ай бұрын

Bhaiya thoda Hindi me kaha karo samajh me Kam aata hai mai गाँव से हू ना तभी😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

@wonemotivation 5 ай бұрын

एक रिक्वेस्ट है आपसे एक ही भाषा में बात करें ताकि हिंदी में ताकि इंग्लिश न समझ मे आने वाले लोगो को आपकी बातें समझ में आ सके । अब उनको विडिओ शेयर करो तो वो कहते हैं भाई इंलिश इतनी है समझ ही नहीं आया कुछ 😅

@vimohlive 5 ай бұрын

Jisko sirf English aati hai unka kya?

@manavdehi 5 ай бұрын

Kon hai yeh 🫡 kya baat kar raha hai

@DivyanshuRaj-rn3ek 5 ай бұрын

Bro I'm 16 yr old boy and want to be atheist like you but the problem is Mera brain iss chiz ko mann hi nhi rha ki god exist nhi krte hai but Mai iss chiz me believe krne laga hu ki god exist nhi krte so bro what I can do caz mere brain me kya ho rha mujhe khud nhi pta chal rha kyunki mere pehle lagta tha ki yes gods exist but when I follow you I want to be a atheist so what I can do(Mera dimag bs kharab ho hi chuka hai)

@No-I-dont-want-that 5 ай бұрын

Bhai speaking as an athiest, your internal you will know that god exists or not. No one "converts" to athiesm, it's not a cult. I think you pretty much already do not believe in God.

@dr.j3685 5 ай бұрын

Be rational in every aspect of life. Athiesm comes naturaly

@vimohlive 5 ай бұрын

Give it time. It's okay to be confused.

@DivyanshuRaj-rn3ek 5 ай бұрын

@@vimohlive thanks bro

@fictionsolosanyverseyounam7599 5 ай бұрын

@@DivyanshuRaj-rn3ek bro we are of the same age, my opinion on this is to follow the evidence and remain neutral until one provides evidence.

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

Yr kunsa..ganzaa.. lete h Consciousness😅😅😅😅😂 God h ...nhi h Kyaa bkwass h Aur ye bolaa piujaaa.naa kre ... Hindu... 24 Hours.. Poujaa krre h .big big temples bnaree h Aur yr ... Person Outside universe ki Baat krra h 😂😂😅😅😅😅😅

@saugyat 5 ай бұрын

Atleast listen what he is trying to say Vimoh. Don't be so dogmatic just like the religious people.

@gurunathbhogate3805 5 ай бұрын

Don't publish such nonsense speak 🙏

@narayanbarman5993 5 ай бұрын

There is no objective reality my dear. Whatever we level as reality is based upon our collective intersection of subjective experience.. So we can safely say Reality is subjective in the absolute sense.. Now coming to the point whether an object really exists or not objectively independent of a conscious observer is a deep philosophical question . In the quantum world, a quantum particle simultaneously exists in different states in the probability state, and when we try to observe that particle, the wave function collapses to a single state . So before observing we don't know how that particle physically existed in space-time. In the same way in the classical world Conscious observers give meaning to the objects by Observing. Now don't make a strawmen fallacy by misunderstanding this idea that "when I or You stop observing something, it ceases to exist ". No😅 It's not that much easy dear. It's not about individual conscious observers rather collective conscious observers from humans to animals to insects to every living being which is conscious. Now , yes we can say if collective conscious observers cease to exist, the observed reality also ceases to exist. Now you can say "Bhai kuch to hoga " but the problem here is also " Bhai kuch to hoga " is a statement by a conscious observer. If there is no consciousness how can this statement also exist , so the reality fabricated by senses

@amangupta-rz7hn 5 ай бұрын

Ye likh ke tum bohot proud mehsoos kar rahe hogey na😂😂

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

@@amangupta-rz7hn😂😂😂😂

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

Fabrication...... H Sahi ... Sab ... Faith and blah blah conspicuous😂😂😂😅😅😅 God's ..... 🎉

@EFIlist-Anti-NATALIST 5 ай бұрын

Krreeishhh .. dp Walaa ... Bhi Fabrication H 😊😊😊😊 Understand

@narayanbarman5993 5 ай бұрын

@@amangupta-rz7hn I understand your reaction, and I appreciate you taking the time to comment. My intent wasn't to come across as proud, but rather to engage in a discussion about the nature of reality. I also noticed you might have used a fallacy called ad hominem. Instead of engaging with the ideas presented, it focuses on the person presenting them. If you're interested in exploring this topic further, I'm happy to have a respectful and constructive conversation.