if it came with the original rules i’d see more appeal (though i still have the BRB from 4th so i still wouldn’t get it) but without them it’s of little interest, especially at more than double the original price

The only parts of this set I don't already own are the tyranid terrain and the smaller imperial terrain, the lander has been sitting in my terrain shelf for years and I have more than enough space marines, tyranids, AND random imperial humans sitting around I can do this up myself

What's nuts is this MTO box with no rulebooks/required paperwork, is $180 CAD. Whilst the 10th Ed Starter with 11 Marines, a bunch of Nids and a huge MC, is only $130 CAD. Yeah fella's, we're getting shafted. I recommend a pass.

if the crashed lander terrain didn't cost a fortune on ebay i'd already have one, but i am good at scratch building

I think the Lt. is such a cool model, I always wanted him. He feels rare and special. While he is a pilot and does hold a weapon, I feel like he is uniquely civilian in his position. It feels special we get a model that is used more as a token than character, and gives us a look into the more human life of the Imperium.

This box was always crap. No idea why they are putting it back into the scene, and the terrain was fairly generic.

I really want a Lt. Varras but not for 250 AUD. Will just keep an eye on ebay or get someone to scan one and 3D print it.

I am lucky enough to still have all the pieces of my childhood battle for maccrage, so i don't even need to worry about this question

The lander looks nifty but terrain has mostly moved beyond "blob that is difficult to place minis on" which would leave it out of place in a lot of collections.

It looks like a decent box, but a little too rich for my blood. I dont have nostalgia for 4th, either... For me its 2nd & 3rd. I do love the current rules though, so I'm sure ill be nostalgic about 9th and 10th in about 20 years. 😛

My big issue with it is the fact that it's made to order. I bought Severina Raine when she came back as a MTO it took literally 9 months to get ahold of. I just cant be bothered waiting almost a year to get some models i could probably find on Ebay anyway

3rd and 4th ed were the best editions in my opinion. Still it seems weird that they are re relasing this set The lander is a cool bit of scenery, i love the pilot model, but £90? Damn.

I've played the missions from this set with a friend recently. I've used count as terrain and a count as for Varas, it's was fun, but I fell that some of the missions were a bit of a pain, be that for the Ultramarines side or Tyranids. Once you have a bunch of these spore mines on the table, your movement phase gets pretty annoying, what I did is put my friend to also roll the scatter and D6 so we wouldn't be waiting a lot. Overall people get a pretty idea from how to play Warhammer from this set, but I prefer Black Reach(even though it didn't had a campaign and the Ork Side was a little bit underwhelmed in points, which can be easily fixed adding another unit of boys, or another unit of Deathkoptas or even removing one of the units that has the point costs for the Marines(I can't remember which right now). I feel like even though Black Reach didn't had terrain, it was a more versatile set as a "starter one". Some of the exclusive sculpts are also better than this set. I guess they will be releasing it next year, unfortunately, GW doesn't release with the older manuals or all the paper instructions that came with these boxes. A shame for some of the collectors and people who enjoy middlehammer.

I just don't see the point why they picked this to re-release. Oh well .. like you said. Enough mini's to paint!

Me personally, I may. But it doesn’t hold any nostalgia for me either- hell I started with 9th. I understand why some people don’t want to. Though the models are outdated, and old, the terrain is nice, and I like the older models as they’re dopey and goofy looking. And hey- if they come with fancy transfers, I’ll take it.

I began playing around 4th and it was my starter. it really wasn't worth it back then either. i ended up with two landers i have no idea how but it's the sole reason to buy this thing and honestly it's not worth 90 quid.

As an modern 40k player (2018 -) these sets interest me. Of course this isnt my faction but by all accounts to me this is as much "old hammer" as a 3rd edition codex. Price too high qs usual though

I don't understand the appeal of this. They are old sculpts but in the weird middle ground of not being vintage, just kind of out dated. We have new genestealers and new primaris, these models just look bad. Terrain is good though

Hard pass from me too. - If it came with rules, it could as you say be a fun stand alone game allowing players to relive 4th edition. But it doesn't - If it was released at the same cost as when it first released, it could be a great little way to encourage first time hobbyists to the game as the current starter sets can be a little on the expensive side for anyone uncertain of if they actually want to commit to the hobby. - If it was something more interesting like speeders, a land raider, tyrannic war veterans or assault marines, it could have been a cool box to relive. But i found this box boring at the time and it's boring now. I mean, just troops. Yawn. Instead its an overpriced, boring and pointless re-release as you don't get any rules to revisit 4th, you can get much more interesting and modern models for less in the 10th edition starter set and the idea of paying twice as much as back in the day for a box containing less content is just ludicrous to me. Its the same reason i'm not interest in Old World as they are rerelease old models that they once considered not worthy of selling (when they ditched Warhammer,) And I know they will charge modern prices for that old tat. It's only good for the nostalgia, which is fine, but don't overcharge us for this shit. Or do nostalgia in an interesting way. Maybe release the same content but using newer models (aka primaris marines and brand new nids) with a new sculp for the pilot and the scenery.

Out of all of the sets, ironically this boxset is the one I still have everything for. Found someone who was selling a sealed on for around $100 a couple years ago, and just kept everything for it. Cool I guess that they did it, but really no reason for a very small group of folks like me.

Apparently, next year is Blackreach. That has me much more excited

The helmet of the black reach missile marine is my all time favorite space marine headgear. It’s kind of MKlV-ie but with hoses and tubes connecting it to who knows what. Probably a filter for the missile exhaust. I have two currently. About that second lieutenant though…maybe a give-away prize down the road, or I can send some seed money for a black reach re-release?

A lot of modern gamers seem to crap on the 4th ed starter, but I think its one of the best early ones. It, along with The Battle Rages On, provide a series of escalating scenarios to play through, introducing new units as it goes along, and I love that sort of thing. The Battle Rages On wasnt sold in the US, so it might be hard to find. Not pitching a sale for this re-release, since it doesnt come with any rules, and aside from the crashed shuttle, I am really not sure why anyone would get this, unless to replace their old minis. Does anyone know if the box is being redone too? Or is it just the contents.

£90 for a Lieutenant Varras model, and a bunch of other stuff?! Hmmmm... tempting... 🤔

2:57 gave me a massive nostalgia wave, now assault on black reach is a kit I'd definitely pick up! That was my in to w40k, I still have a couple of the models left over but I lost most of them. Would love to get this box again, and not for the unbelievable price that it goes for on ebay! £200-300!

This was my first set, got given it by my brother when he went to uni (he got it for Christmas ages ago but had it in his cupboard until this year), so it's square one to me and practicing on those tyranids really got me into everything really

I bought 3 of these sets back in the day when my kids and I were playing 40k on the kitchen table. The set was cool and we had a blast, They got older and lost interest so I am the holder of multi-sets with extras. GW is asking way too much so in my opinion I think 65 - 70 dollar price tag US would be a fair price but not 100+ dollars, I believe the UK price would be about 50lbs. Like you I have spares galore, I still have a full company of Tac Squads from this set (60 marines). The space marines are in bags in a box all their own. Plus all the other stuff too. If GW would drop the price I think this set would sell pretty well. A pass for me as well.

"Re-issued in Black Reach" is a little inaccurate re the bolter tactical Marines. They were improved for the 5th edition starter box, with added details, ornamentation and a mixture of armour marks, for example the missile launcher having a Mk5 helmet. That last part is particularly important to me, and a reason why I prefer the older models to the new Primaris stuff. But I do agree that the lieutenant and the wreck are the only reasons I would get the box, and they can certainly be found cheaper online for just those parts. Besides, I have 3D printers and can make an approximation of the latter as per your mention.

Doing the cost analysus on this tricky for me. The lander alone takes it to nearly worth it.

This set is $250 in Australia...GW are out of their damn minds.

I think we all agree, that an updated kit with the new 'nids and Primaris marines would be dope. You know, so we could get some official MkVII Aquilla Primaris armour.

besides the lots i have on nids and ultra marines. Maybe with searching i find the exacly models. i know i have at least the pilote and en terrain pieces

I still have my original one, I kept every starter box, all painted up to match the box art, as I used to run demo games for each edition, tbh I think 2nd edition was the best value for money, and the most fun to play as starter battles. . 3rd was probably the most imbalanced, the Dark Eldar didn't stand a chance. . Leviathan (people still can't decide if it's a starter or not) was the best looking for purely models in the starter of the primaris era imo. .

I bought an eBay lot of this set with most of everything. What wasn't included i simply used my own Tyranids and Marines. The lack of the rules seems like such a huge oversight. I dont think the set is worth it. Perhaps, i would be singing a different tune if i didn't have the terrain. I've painted it up and tried to use it in every game.

I actually missed this boxed set the first time round, I'm pleasantly surprised at the price (in AUD) I know it's probably a price gouge compared to the original but for $250 you get a some non-MK10 marines (a big win) and some tyranids, the terrain is just a bonus at that point. As GW kill off more and more non-MK10 armoured marines, sets like this and made to order runs are for me going to be the way forward to expand my collection. You mention eBay, and I have seen other channels with rescued miniatures, but in Australia at least it seems that all the listings end up higher than new cost with postage, and the "pro-painted" offerings all seem to be well painted (but not in a scheme that fits my army) and exorbitantly priced, or painted terribly and still asking high prices.

Its a very nostalgic set for me but I still have the minis and the lander... I wish they still made the Aquila lander (not crashed)

still have the Blackreach Box opend it once but nerver build it

The Box was "OK" at the first Release as it's price was 50-60€ now IT IS only overpriced garbage .

If they re-did assault on black reach with updated models then we'd be talking. This one tho? I sleep.

I still have mine with the box. Lost the missile launcher lad over a decade ago when i moved out of my parent's.

Not interested, i was disappointed when i got the Leviathan box and found out that 2/3 of the leaders couldn't even lead the squads included in the box. No Gravis armor units for the medic to lead, only one 5-man squad of terminators for one of the two terminator-armor leaders to use as bodyguards. I love the models i got, but i find myself no longer interested in playing tenth edition since i have to buy the codexes in order to use their rules on the app. I might still buy models from time to time, but only to use as proxies for Grimdark Future and Grimdark Future: Firefight.

I didn't buy it on purpose the first time it came around, and I'm not going to buy it this time either. For pretty much the same reasons. The only thing I'm even slightly interested in is the crashed lander. But not US$150 interested.

Lt Varras is interesting to me but I’m not dropping $150 for him.

have to agree with you on the hard pass, while i do like the unique mini of the pilot i feel its over priced and i just don't like how the wreckage looks if anything it should be more damaged -not just the color but there should be more off it i feel its just not dynamic enough. I feel you can make a good version of this if you bought some of those discount buzz light year movie toys and cut them up and used those. they are cheap at target in the usa and i feel that you can get the rest and must doctor up an old style scout into the pilot the other terrain well we have green stuff for that

I recently bought all this including books in a job lot.. Even though I was collecting in 3rd and 4th edition, the nostalgia from this set is non-existent. So it was all sold fairly quickly, but not for £90.

Assault on black reach would’ve been a much better rerelease.

I recently went to a hobby swap meet and got the terrain for only $10. He still had the reciept from when he bought it in 2007

The only interesting part of the box is the terrain. In my mind, they added the minis to bump up the price of the box, because really they're useless to most. Though it does make the box not worth it for many who would have wanted the terrain pieces.

Battle for Macragge was my first starter box. Will i be buying it? no, have no need for it. And its expensive

Understandable

it pains me to say it because I do really want gw to do more of these made to order sets, but yeh at this price point with this set of minis its just not worth it

The scenery is interesting, but not worth paying the huge price tag for.

About a year before this was rereleased I bought it NEW for over $50 what GW is asking. I mainly wanted the terrain. This was the Starter Set when I first got into 40K. I used to think, wow $90 was too much.

I am a bit bias because the Battle for Macragge was my starter set, my introduction to Warhammer 40k, I still have the sergeant as he was the first model I painted and I don't care for the Lt so its not worth my time, still cool to see GW give it some love

I love the idea of rereleasing old edition but this one is the least interesting.

I’ve been trying to sell this set since I bought it 20 odd years ago. No one ever showed interest

After how he treated their old space marine molds along with the price which is way to expensive is not worth it

What was the reversed sounding music that you used?

Not had decent ginger bread for years.

Awww no Lt Varras song.. 😅

Why would anyone buy out of date minis for premium prices?

Are you buy any chance from the same part of the country as Julien Barrett the actor?

I liked the black reach set more...

4th Edition is the one I started in (at least started playing). I remember this box, never had one, though my friend got it. I love Oldhammer, I collect old stuff as well as getting some new things, so I should be the perfect target audience for the set. Well, I'm not buying it. Part of the reason being the fact that earlier this year I actually got most of this box (I had some stuff from it before, like generators and beacon) except for the tyranid part. And even though it is considered a collector item (until it's re-released, since the re-release will bring more items to the market), I got it all cheaper than it would've costed me from GW with their price. Way cheaper, like, I can easily purchase tyranids part and still the total price would be lower. But I'm pretty sure that if it wouldn't have been the issue, if I didn't have the set -- it would've been a pass for me nonetheless. The price is ridiculous for this set, the lack of the original scenario book doesn't help either (glad I got one myself). Even funnier is the fact they've announced this box a day before they showed the Dark Angels upcoming releases, including huge Deathwing Assault box. Well, I think I'll get it instead of the Battle for Macragge

Varus the heartthrob lol

I'd also drifted out of 40k by the time 4th edition rolled around, so there's no real nostalgia in play - although if I was gaming rather than just painting, the terrain would be a draw. The minis (aside from the handsome Lt Varras, I love 'accessory' minis that draw on the broader lore of 40k rather than just being yet another trooper of whatever kind the army fields - similar to the space marine armies in old battle reports where they'd have a primaris psyker along for the ride) don't seem anything special, just serviceable renditions of marines and bugs - I didn't even realise until you zoomed in and started describing them that the marines weren't just reuses of the 3rd edition tacticals. Fair play to anyone who was engaged in that era though and fancies the set - if it does well and GW do further nostalgia rereleases, I'd be all over Dark Vengeance with all those chaos minis.

Seems like a strange release. A lot of people are much more nostalgic for the older marines and these seems like the least in demand marine models over all the years.. or maybe thats my bias.

Also, the 10th edition starter set, which retails for 65 pounds on the same website as Battle for Macragge, comes with a much more impressive, and modern selection of space marines and tyranids. And it comes with the rules and dice.

I just wanting Battle for Skull Pass for the pure nostalgia! I promise I am not just a filthy fantasy player! I too would get Assault on Black Reach!

For the ridiculous price and most of the minis you are not going to use except to put into a box of non usable, yeah, no sale here.

It is not even a remake of the original box as the original had more terrain etc in

Lieutenant Varras my beloved

Pass. I was gifted the Macragge terrain and most of Dark Vengeance.

I don't understand why they remade the box. It's cool, but it's only for collectors, at least for the marine players.

Showing the new DA box shortly after this announcement is a head slap moment - I’ll be getting that instead

Price is very high. Still have the set including the box and rules. I think I paid like 48 dollars new and now they want 150 which seems crazy. This set is really more like a kill team set now which would have been a better way of using it then just printing the models with no rules.

As much as i adore this era of 40k (3rd-5th was glorious), and I love this starter set for its narrative focus and gorgeous terrain... I wont be getting it. I'd only be tempted by the crashed Aquila Lander (which i already bought off eBay) and the pilot (whom i can get for cheaper than £90). As much as I genuinely love the sculpts of this era, i don't collect either Tyranids nor Space Marines. Even if I did, I could get second-hand armies at a much better price. This said, I am happy to see GW re-releasing old starter sets, and old kits from this era in general. I'd love to see a run of old terrain from this era, such as the Fortress of Redemption or the Imperial Sector.

I mostly collect metal, but a big point of contention with this thing is whether or not Firstborn are going to be relevant for much longer. I feel like GW will never fully squat Firstborn, but they're already borderline irrelevant in the current rules and a lot of their models got discontinued in 10th. Why purchase and paint another tactical squad if its going to be useless on the battlefield and the set doesn't come with any unique rules or scenarios for standalone play?

Honestly my bet is they are going to use this not selling like crack as the excuse to us for legending the firstborns and saying if you didn't want that to happen we should have bought the box

I've never understood the appeal of the crashed lander terrain. But thats me.

there is also one more route. "Vroom"

I like these old models but at that price? lol lmao.

yep that was good too

It was way too pricey then and it's only gotten worse lmfao

It was £35 back in 2004.

But we must retrieve the gene seed

Re-release an old fan favourite - Remove contents (Rules and books, whippy stick, templates) - and pay full price!

"Bearer of geneseed" Hahaha

250 aud for this no thanks, maybe if it was 150-200 aud would’ve seriously considered getting.

NZD price is $297 lol what the hell are they smoking at GW HQ

I don't know why anyone would want to buy "new" a set that GW is orphaning with haste. I have 20K (in some version of 40K) of "old" marines already that includes some RT models. I like the new size marines.

£90 is ALOT for this - if they'd released it for £50 they'd get more buyers

I hadn’t been born yet so the nostalgia doesn’t really seem to have an effect on me lol. This seems like something the older members of the community might enjoy a bit more lol.

Matthew is my hero

The terrain is vaguely appealing, and the imperial pilot, but the rest? No, not worth it.

Oh shit I saw this and didn’t realize it was old marines I thought just another box of the. Trying to sell nids man that’s awful

$250 dollarydoos australian, i was keen but not for that price.

Please buy our old rubbish!!

Me neither.

$150 is absurd for a set that used to cost $45 back in 2004.... inflation since 2004 is 68% not 333%. adjusted for inflation plus a small increase to account for smaller scale production, the correct cost for this box set would be $85-$90, not $150. Im sick of companies blatantly price gouging then blaming it on inflation. GW has been charging 50% higher prices than inflation dictates for most things just out of sheer greed.