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Mr. Beat

Mr. Beat

7 жыл бұрын

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In episode 10 of Supreme Court Briefs, a corporation argues it has the right to spend as much money as it wants on a political campaign because of the First Amendment.
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Washington, D.C.
2007
A self-described conservative non-profit corporation called Citizens United wants to release a documentary. The film, called Hillary: The Movie, (hey that’s a pretty catchy title) talks a bunch of trash about Hillary Clinton, who just so happens to be running for President. Citizens United wanted to distribute and advertise the film within a month before the Democratic primary elections in January 2008.
However, this would be a violation of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, aka BCRA (bikruh), aka the McCain-Feingold Act, the latest law that limited how political campaigns were paid for.
BCRA said corporations or labor unions can’t spend money from their general treasury to broadcast anything through the mass media that specifically brings up a candidate running for federal office within 30 days of a primary.
Anticipating that the Federal Election Commission, or FEC, might try to stop the release of their documentary, Citizens United went ahead and took the FEC to the United States District Court, essentially saying “don’t even think about it, FEC.” Citizens United claimed BCRA didn’t apply to Hillary: The Movie, because the film wasn’t clearly for or against a candidate. It also claimed that the Supreme Court decision FEC v. Wisconsin Right To Life justified them releasing the film within 30 days of the Democratic primaries. Not only that, but Citizens United argued that portions of BCRA straight up violated the FIrst Amendment to the Constitution.
On January 15, 2008, the three-judge U.S. District Court said “nope, sorry Citizens United.” You can’t have your injunction, you gotta let the FEC regulate. The court said the film was clearly just meant to get people to not vote for Hillary Clinton, I mean...it was called Hillary: The Movie, for crying out loud. They also said the film was meant to be strategically shown right before the primaries for this purpose, and they cited the Supreme Court decision in McConnell v. FEC as justification that the FEC could prevent the showing up this film.
Citizens United was like you know what? I’m appealing to the Supreme Court.
Now, as you know, this can be a long process. What ended up happening was Hillary Clinton did not get the Democratic nomination and Barack Obama ended up being elected President later that year. But that ended up being irrelevant other than the fact that Obama nominated a new justice, Sonia Sotomayor, that agreed with the justice she replaced, David Souter. Throughout 2009, the Supreme Court heard multiple arguments about the case. The Court had remained very divided on the issue. Things got pretty philosophical.
Finally, on January 21, 2010, the Court ruled 5-4 in favor of Citizens United, arguing that the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment prohibited the government from limiting money spent by corporations, labor unions, and other associations, on political campaigns. Specifically, we’re talking about independent political expenditures, or political campaign contributions not directly affiliated with the candidate. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion. “If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech.”
The Court's ruling basically freed corporations and unions to spend as much money as they want to elect or defeat candidates, as long as they didn’t contribute directly to candidates or political parties.
The majority also argued that First Amendment protects ASSOCIATIONS of individuals, not just individual speakers, so you can’t prohibit speech based on the identity of the speaker. So corporations have free speech rights just like you or I.
The idea of Corporate Personhood, or the legal notion that corporations share some of the same legal rights and responsibilities held by individuals, had pretty much been established by the Supreme Court since the 1800s. In this case, the Court definitely ruled that corporations are people man, corporations are people.
Justice John Paul Stevens led the opinion of the dissent.

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@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat Жыл бұрын
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@dylanrace8765
@dylanrace8765 5 жыл бұрын
I forget who said it, but I love the quote “if corporations are people then they should be able to receive the death penalty”
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 5 жыл бұрын
Didn’t Enron get the death penalty
@jwil4286
@jwil4286 4 жыл бұрын
But if corporations aren’t people, they shouldn’t have to pay taxes
@eliasjohansson7747
@eliasjohansson7747 4 жыл бұрын
@@jwil4286 But you see. Corporations are not people but are in fact... corporations. And they pay taxes. They did that before and will do forever after the ruling of Citizens United.
@jwil4286
@jwil4286 4 жыл бұрын
Mini produktion they have been considered people for over 150 years. If they can’t be considered people for purpose of constitutional rights, then they can’t be considered people for purpose of taxation.
@eliasjohansson7747
@eliasjohansson7747 4 жыл бұрын
@@jwil4286 right... So before that they never paid taxes. Ok And just one more point. If money is considered speech. Then if I pay a prostitut and the cops come and arrest me. Can't I just say that it's considered free speech because I just gave her some money to show how good looking I think she is?
@Nognamogo
@Nognamogo 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing has destroyed my faith in the Democratic process more than citizens United vs fec.
@smhollanshead
@smhollanshead 5 жыл бұрын
Om Nom Nom nothing reinforces my faith in America than Citizens United. Are you aware the state in Citizens United wanted to ban movies, censor speech, and put people in jail for saying what they think. Perhaps you are in favor of banning movies, censoring speech, and jailing people who, in good faith, disagree with you, but I’m not in favor of such things. The scary part is four leftist Supreme Court justices would allow banning movies, censoring speech, and imprisoning people for expressing a political point of view. Such a view seems more like Nazi Germany than America.
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 5 жыл бұрын
Citizens United made America an oligarchy where big donors control all of politics.
@smhollanshead
@smhollanshead 5 жыл бұрын
You of little faith. You have to trust that, when you speak the truth, people will listen. Try it yourself. With someone you know and respect, Whisper the truth to them. Then, with a megaphone, scream as loud as you can a lie. See which one your friend believes. Do you truly think just because someone talks with a megaphone they are believed? I think the opposite may be true. The louder you speak, the less likely is is the truth.
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 5 жыл бұрын
smhollanshead yes.
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 5 жыл бұрын
Also. The people have no say in what laws get passed. Congressmen consistently pay much more attention to their donors than their constituancy.
@allyourcode
@allyourcode 6 жыл бұрын
Companies generally incorporation in places like Delaware and Ireland, where they will get favorable tax treatment, regardless of where they actually operate. I would like to declare my residency the same way: in Washington, there is no income tax. In Oregon, there is no sales tax. So, since companies are on the same footing as me, I would like to do the same: pay Washington income taxes and Oregon sales taxes, even though I live in California. Wait, what? I can't just arbitrarily choose my residency for tax purposes? Guess corp's have more rights than people!
@mikke2130
@mikke2130 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should hire a lawyer this might me a great case
@AndrewDeFaria
@AndrewDeFaria 4 жыл бұрын
Corps have different rights than people. Corps pay different tax rates, for example. Corps don't go to the doctor but have various fees that you don't have (I know, I have a corp). This ruling says that corps are on the same footing as you WRT speech, not everything else.
@jwil4286
@jwil4286 3 жыл бұрын
If you move to Washington state and get a job in Oregon, you can do that
@jnayvann
@jnayvann 2 жыл бұрын
Hey you can even have a primary residence in Virginia and become a US Senator from Missouri. I'm looking at you, Josh Hawley.
@SphincterOfDoom
@SphincterOfDoom 9 ай бұрын
It was never said corporations are the same as citizens.
@speedybill47
@speedybill47 7 жыл бұрын
Mr. Beat, Love the way you really get in to describe these cases with just the right amount of comedy and seriousness. As a student in governance almost 5 years ago now, cases like this were always my favorite to debate and discuss in class, eve if the rest of the class wasn't as enthused as i was. When i next see them, you bet you're on my list to suggest to my teachers back home and I think next month i may budget some money for your patreon!
@ahouyearno
@ahouyearno 7 жыл бұрын
The rest of the class not being enthused is probably because this is not really a topic to be discussed. There is no debate. Citizens United is bad for democracy, bad for politics and legalizes corruption. It puts all the power in the hands of a select few. There are issues where one side is clearly wrong and those kinds of topics don't tend to raise fun discussions. It's actually depressing to think how democracy has been undermined and destroyed and how little people can do about it.
@Cumrag69420
@Cumrag69420 7 жыл бұрын
Damnit, oh well sceond is good with me
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words and for your consideration of support on Patreon. I agree with you- it's amazing to me how not all students get into these more when it greatly affects them. This case is a class example, and yes, also fun to debate, as I really can understand both sides.
@ahouyearno
@ahouyearno 7 жыл бұрын
My last comment wasn't very helpful I realize now. If you want to engage young people on the Citizens United case, I believe the most useful angle is to talk about how to fix it. Is an amendment the best course? Is WolfPAC a good idea with the constitutional convention or should we rely on 75% of states coming together? Should we vote for candidates who'll appoint Justices who pledge to overturn Citizens United? Is it a good idea to deny corruption and go the Sanders route? Is it possible to win without taking PAC money? Those debates have merit. It can involve students on the finer points of the constitution and amendments when the class is already in agreement that Citizens United is bad (which is suggested by the lack of enthusiasm)
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
I agree entirely, and have implemented similar activities in my classroom with other topics we have covered. I actually currently don't teach government or current events, but when I do I plan on incorporating some of the ideas you suggested.
@williamcfox
@williamcfox 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the shoutout! This episode stressed me out because I get cognitive dissonance thinking about it. I'd hate to limit speech during the critical final days of an election, but I also hate unlimited dark money in our politics. Maybe a constitutional amendment is in order, but who honestly believes we can focus people on that or motivate legislators to push it through the states? My political cynicism knows no bounds these days....
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
You bet! I go back and forth on this one as well. I do favor a Constitutional amendment, albeit one different than John Paul Stevens. I think that individual donations should be limited for campaigns. Obviously this contradicts the First Amendment, so the Constitution must be amended.
@flamefusion8963
@flamefusion8963 6 жыл бұрын
How about no amendment. Let people support any candidate they want. Freedom of speech.
@jeviosoorishas181
@jeviosoorishas181 6 жыл бұрын
Aren't the parties, private organizations?
@winmine0327
@winmine0327 6 жыл бұрын
But you like dark votes? Why call it dark?
@Shardok42
@Shardok42 6 жыл бұрын
Funky Euphemism It does require constituional amendments because of rulings like this one. Without such then the courts are likely to just follow precedent.
@qiuyushi2752
@qiuyushi2752 3 жыл бұрын
Citizens United shouldn't actually be a controversial decision if the court had ruled it under the press clause rather than the free speech clause.
@Guy-cb1oh
@Guy-cb1oh 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you say that? I personally dont see how it would make a difference.
@ShankarSivarajan
@ShankarSivarajan Жыл бұрын
@@Guy-cb1oh Because people generally understand that "freedom of the press" applies to companies and not just individuals. Newspapers that aren't run by a single individual still have First Amendment protections.
@fiveday592
@fiveday592 9 ай бұрын
@@Guy-cb1oh Please remember, in the USA - the press is a business, not a community service. Their primary purpose is to make a profit by delivering stories people read. Not only is this why most media outlets are completely polarized into one side of the political field or the other (because, more reliable readers/viewers = more money), but serves as a reminder that money has ALWAYS decided elections. This case was a lightning rod for an existing issue, but politics are decided by popularity - which has been mostly decided by wealth and financing, for pretty much ever. Robber barons, Rockefellers, you get the idea.
@SiVlog1989
@SiVlog1989 4 жыл бұрын
There was a reporter who summed up the ruling of this case thus, "... And after today's ruling, corporations need only a few more years of enflaming people before the message suddenly shifts to, 'everything's great.'"
@SkYjUmPeR5015
@SkYjUmPeR5015 7 жыл бұрын
this series is so amazing so far, waiting for the next episode!
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching :D
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK 2 жыл бұрын
Giving this some thought, I don't really think Citizens United v. FEC is the root of the problem so much as it is a symptom of a much deeper one. Fundamentally, there's no difference between a corporation using their wealth for political speech and a billionaire doing the same. The real problem is people using wealth (power) to subvert the democratic process. I don't know the right way to go about fixing that, but I don't think overturning this case is the answer.
@borginburkes1819
@borginburkes1819 5 ай бұрын
Political donations should be banned. Simple as that
@EthanConstantinescu-nl1nz
@EthanConstantinescu-nl1nz 3 ай бұрын
This case contributes to the problem
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK
@IBeforeAExceptAfterK 3 ай бұрын
@@EthanConstantinescu-nl1nz Undoubtedly. But overturning it is like putting a bandaid on a stab wound. Sure, it's better than nothing, but realistically it doesn't actually solve the problem.
@warron24
@warron24 7 күн бұрын
@@borginburkes1819 This completely misunderstands the nature of the problem. Political donations are already regulated. But the issue in Citizens United is whether organizations can influence elections outside of the campaigns. And how would that even work? Candidates wouldn't be able to campaign at all.
@seandarbe2521
@seandarbe2521 6 жыл бұрын
Money is not speech, a bribe is a bribe, all donations should be treated as bribes.
@Ewwwww.
@Ewwwww. 5 жыл бұрын
Public funding?
@soullesseater9327
@soullesseater9327 5 жыл бұрын
@Jack R Yes.
@quinaIMF
@quinaIMF 5 жыл бұрын
Money is a type of speech. I can buy an ads. I can hire people to fly pamphet or write signs. KZfaq pay people to make videos. Sound crazy to you?
@glue6143
@glue6143 5 жыл бұрын
dumb comment
@soullesseater9327
@soullesseater9327 5 жыл бұрын
@@quinaIMF Bribing politicians is free speech. Gotcha.
@JesseLH88
@JesseLH88 4 жыл бұрын
It's definitely the correct decision according to precedent and the constitution. However, that does not mean it's a healthy decision for the nation. Consider this: if this documentary had been made by a single individual, he/she could have released it and had 1st Amend. rights to do. But because it was made by a group of people (ie a non-profit advocacy group) it no longer has 1st amend rights? So Bob has 1st Amend rights. Sally has 1st Amend rights. But if Bob and Sally collaborate on a documentary together, they lose those rights? Then there were all sorts of other distinctions in the law, like the FCC deciding which organisations constitute 'media organisations', which fall under a different set of rules. In other words, the law decides the legality of speech not on its content, but on who says it.
@Simon-A.-Tan
@Simon-A.-Tan 3 жыл бұрын
With all due respect, but what you are saying, is bullshit. No. As a unit Bob and Sally have NO rights. They only have individual rights. They can make a movie.... and if they want to SHOW that movie then that's an INDIVIDUAL right of each of them to do so. However, if they want to show it on a broadcasting network, then this needs to happen in accordance to FEC regulations applying to these networks. You can agree or disagree with these regulations, which is another discussion. But the whole rights thing is so f*cking clear that I don't understand the SCOTUS.
@JesseLH88
@JesseLH88 3 жыл бұрын
@@Simon-A.-Tan I am not sure I understand your disagreement. We agree that Bob and Sally have free speech. So how can we regulate what kind of movie they make? It seems kind of arbitrary to say that BOB can make a movie and SALLY can make a movie, but they cannot collectively make a movie? If that's true, then does the ACLU have free speech? Does the Cato institute have free speech? Does a newspaper have free speech? None of these are individuals.
@Simon-A.-Tan
@Simon-A.-Tan 3 жыл бұрын
@@JesseLH88 Sigh.... they CAN make a movie together and show it together, but they will not enjoy that right based on some legal unit, but as individuals. If it's the medium that you're regulating in terms of the type of content that's allowed during a specific period, that doesn't take away their individual rights to make the movie or show it on their own behalf. You don't need to give their unit 'personhood' for that. That basically doesn't make any sense.
@gns50051
@gns50051 3 жыл бұрын
name checks out
@obiomachukwuocha4918
@obiomachukwuocha4918 2 жыл бұрын
Both sides have a point: Conservatives would point out that this is a limit on the free speech of a group of people. If your friends formed a group, union, or corporation and made a movie with your own money, why can't you make a movie about politics? Democrats would point out that individuals have a limit on however much they can donate to a campaign. An already rich person can donate their own money to a candidate and then donate again multiple times through their organizations and companies
@yakarotsennin3115
@yakarotsennin3115 Жыл бұрын
The movie wasn't just about politics, it was obviously propaganda intending on slandering Hillary Clinton to minimize her chances. Part of the biggest issue with this court case is the stems from the original issue of how political campaigns are funded. Politicians receive millions of dollars to get their campaigns up and running and much of that may come from corporations who have their own agenda. What pisses me off about politics as a whole is it's not based on scientific reasoning but bullshit philosophy and interpreting 200 year old laws that couldn't possibly predict the changes in today's society. If you could bring Psychology and Sociology into Politics and give these disciplines the rightful respect they deserve, the U.S. would be a very different place. On top of all that, many of those in positions of power come from wealthy backgrounds, they have zero experience dealing with actually issues that plague the bottom 90% of Americans. The decisions they make "for the American people" don't impact them and they don't have any understanding of our experiences, needs, desires, etc. They're the worst possible candidates to govern over us yet that's who usually gets into power.
@BigBoy-hl4hg
@BigBoy-hl4hg Жыл бұрын
But this ruling directly says as long as they don’t contribute to candidates. 3:38 This concerns money spent on independent campaigns.
@SphincterOfDoom
@SphincterOfDoom 9 ай бұрын
SuperPACS aren't campaigns. They're for *generating 3rd party media*. The Democrats are being stupid or dishonest for conflating SuperPACs and campaigns.
@gadyariv2456
@gadyariv2456 6 жыл бұрын
I love the supreme court briefs. very entertainting.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 6 жыл бұрын
+Gad Yariv Thanks for watching and for the kind words! :D
@lukeh7440
@lukeh7440 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Beat left out the fact that in oral arguments Justice Alito asked the government lawyers whether the government could ban a book that in unfavorable for a politician. The federal government lawyers said, “Yes, it is out opinion that the government can”. That is what this case was about: the first amendment.
@lukeh7440
@lukeh7440 3 жыл бұрын
Four associate justices voted that the government could censor books as well as movies that insult politicians. Outrageous.
@getyourgameon1990
@getyourgameon1990 2 жыл бұрын
No it was about money in politics because the first amendment only apply to people and corporations are not people
@lukeh7440
@lukeh7440 2 жыл бұрын
@@getyourgameon1990 I don't like most big corporations either, but that doesn't mean that they aren't a group of people, who under the constitution have the right to speech.
@getyourgameon1990
@getyourgameon1990 2 жыл бұрын
@@lukeh7440 As individuals they are people the corporation it self is not
@lukeh7440
@lukeh7440 2 жыл бұрын
@@getyourgameon1990 According to the Supreme Court, corporations get the right of free speech. I dunno what else to tell ya bud
@PatrickAnthonyPontillo3rivers
@PatrickAnthonyPontillo3rivers 6 жыл бұрын
A practical question at this point: Are your followers called Beatniks? Anyway, Citizen's United guaranteed that we will get the best governors money can buy.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 6 жыл бұрын
+Patrick Anthony Pontillo You're the first one to suggest that but it definitely has a nice ring to it.
@thedude8605
@thedude8605 4 жыл бұрын
The Citizens United decision has nothing to do with state elections, i.e. for governors.
@owlblocksdavid4955
@owlblocksdavid4955 4 жыл бұрын
@@thedude8605 what? Citizens United ruled that corporations possess freedom of speech.
@EforEvery
@EforEvery 7 жыл бұрын
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@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
HECK YEAH. It only took me 7 years.
@cocoapuff_x
@cocoapuff_x 6 жыл бұрын
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@tobys7026
@tobys7026 4 жыл бұрын
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@mariahdavies4232
@mariahdavies4232 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this unbiased video. It really helped me for my class.
@LeonNikkidude
@LeonNikkidude 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos make me feel like a law student!
@smhollanshead
@smhollanshead 5 жыл бұрын
The first Amendment says Congress shall pass no law abridging freedom of speech. Under the Constitution, it does not matter if the person speaking is a person or a corporation. Congress may not pass laws that prevent speech, including Hillary the movie. By the way, corporations can only speak through people.
@AdamSmith-gs2dv
@AdamSmith-gs2dv 5 жыл бұрын
Spot on. If the court ruled the other way then the government could regulate group speech which would be bad. I dont think many people recognize this...
@Aragon1500
@Aragon1500 4 жыл бұрын
Not if it worded its decision in a way that only refers to corporate entities. The movie wasn't banned completely just told to wait after a primary which is completely fair. Furthermore depending on said content Hillary could have sued for defamation of character. You want free elections you need to wait until candidates are chosen before doing exposes. If we are going to consider companies people then we have to ban all private donations to politics
@Kurvaux
@Kurvaux 4 жыл бұрын
Adam Smith At least in that scenario the government is still accountable to its citizens
@owlblocksdavid4955
@owlblocksdavid4955 4 жыл бұрын
@@Aragon1500 what matters isn't whether the ban was temporary or permanent. A temporary ban on speech is just as much a violation of the first amendment. Either corporations have free speech, or they don't.
@Aragon1500
@Aragon1500 4 жыл бұрын
Companies aren't people so they don't get the 1st amendment
@Kylefassbinderful
@Kylefassbinderful 4 жыл бұрын
In terms of whether or not a corporation is a person I think it's simple. Free speech should only apply to people, not a body of people united by a common goal of making money. People and corporations can (and do) go to court but the punishment isn't the same. People can go to jail, corporations cannot. We (as society) say corporations are people but I think this is false. It's a bit like if I kill someone, get my day in court I tell the judge and jury, "oh no, that wasn't _me_ who killed that person, I'm just the CEO of my body." To me this means a corporation is not a person. If a corporation is a person then we need to stop giving out fines to large corporations and just put CEO's and Board of directors in jail.
@yakarotsennin3115
@yakarotsennin3115 Жыл бұрын
The consequences of fining corporations do nothing.... Corporations will just find more creative ways of avoiding fines or restructuring their organization to minimize losses... Disbanding the corporation and taking ahold of its assets would be more equitable imo. Fuck the shareholders right in the ass so then perhaps they can be more particular about the corporations they invest into, same for Trustee boards especially.
@undoubtedcrow8010
@undoubtedcrow8010 Жыл бұрын
That's one weak analogy.
@piplupz1586
@piplupz1586 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this was very unbiased for the most part and helpful.
@burndly
@burndly 7 жыл бұрын
Lochner v. New York? Has anyone asked for it before? (:
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
+Pewien Autysta Why yes they have
@ashtoncollins868
@ashtoncollins868 2 жыл бұрын
President during this time: Barack Obama Chief Justice: John Roberts Argued March 24, 2009 Reargued September 9, 2009 Decided January 21, 2010 Case Duration: 303 Days Decision: 5-4 in favor of CU
@bovineone2420
@bovineone2420 6 жыл бұрын
I wish I would have discovered this channel years ago. Great stuff!
@1Heirborn
@1Heirborn 5 жыл бұрын
How do you put a corporation in prison for committing a crime?
@Aragon1500
@Aragon1500 4 жыл бұрын
You don't you slap them with a fine
@owlblocksdavid4955
@owlblocksdavid4955 4 жыл бұрын
You imprison those employees you can (those directly responsible) and put a massive fine on the corporation as a whole.
@moonman239
@moonman239 2 жыл бұрын
A corporation is comprised of people, so you would find the culpable people and jail them.
@PremierCCGuyMMXVI
@PremierCCGuyMMXVI 3 жыл бұрын
They definitely need to over turn this. America is a representative democracy. Not an oligarchy
@AdamSmith-gs2dv
@AdamSmith-gs2dv 3 жыл бұрын
So restricting group political speech is a good thing? BCRA limited group political speech it basically said you couldn't spend money on anything to support a candidate if you did so as a group. How does that make any sense? So Bob and Marry individually have free speech but they can't team up together to support a candidate? Imagine if this was applied to KZfaq, it basically says KZfaq can't have ANY political content 80 days before an election outside the established media. Is that fair to all the small channels who don't have the "media exception clause" that rags like CNN and NYTs do? After all if you are a full time youtuber you have to file taxes as a business! Sorry but the court ruled correctly in this case, if they went the other way the government could block any group speech theoretically since all speech other than speaking involves spending money on something at some point
@the8thgemmer467
@the8thgemmer467 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv I think your missing the point. Bob and Mary aren’t gods. They can’t just distribute their opinions to the masses indefinitely. They can only do that if they have enough money to do so. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the population does not have the resources to do it. Appealing to constituents with the resources to support or destroy you suddenly becomes much more important than anything else. If each campaign has finances based on their last election results and cease to be dependent on those who can finance them, then they will focus on getting their message across more than anything. There will be no side effects. Now, Bob and Sally may cease to be able to distribute propaganda for a candidate, but nobody bars them from expressing their opinion. If you believe publishing partisan propaganda to the masses constitutes free speech, then think of it this way: barely anyone has the money to do this. Therefore, the existence of any income inequality is a violation of free speech because it limite the free speech of the vast majority of the population. The logical conclusion would be that all currency must be abolished, by your logic. With equal financing the voices of the masses and the forces on which the candidates depend are not groups of individuals lucky enough to be able to make a campaign dependent on them, they are the masses in the ballot box. Those voices are shut when the priorities of politicians are to appeal to those with money, and they are many more voices.
@wanderingthewastes6159
@wanderingthewastes6159 2 жыл бұрын
The8th Gemmer barely anyone had a newspaper either.
@PremierCCGuyMMXVI
@PremierCCGuyMMXVI 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv get money out of politics
@Deranfan
@Deranfan 2 жыл бұрын
A constitutional amendment or some kind of legislation would be necessary. Overturning citizens United would go against the 1st amendment.
@geisaune793
@geisaune793 Жыл бұрын
Why is that so many times when a case involving the legitimacy of a law is brought to court, the state courts, the district courts, and the appeals courts, i.e. the lower courts, almost always render a verdict that benefits or maintains the political or economic health of the country, but when the law is appealed to the Supreme Court, the decisions of the lower courts are almost always overturned and in the years that follow, the country becomes more polarized, or wealth inequality gets worse.
@seacruisesportstalkandstuf2992
@seacruisesportstalkandstuf2992 6 жыл бұрын
This is a really, really good piece on the specific issue. I like it.
@dugroz
@dugroz 5 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on "Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad" (the 1886 decision mentioned in this video).
@jovanweismiller7114
@jovanweismiller7114 4 жыл бұрын
As I've said for years, 'Democracy. The best system money can buy!'
@pleaseenteraname1103
@pleaseenteraname1103 2 жыл бұрын
Constitutional republic of democratic ideals in my opinion is better. I’m still somewhat skeptical of direct democracy.
@CrusherX1000
@CrusherX1000 2 жыл бұрын
1:20 I can hear you holding back that laughter Mr. Beat ;)
@jettforpresident3428
@jettforpresident3428 7 жыл бұрын
You know, I am kinda in the middle. I would like arguments for F.E.C.
@j.c.ca.o.l7035
@j.c.ca.o.l7035 3 жыл бұрын
Nope corporations are NOT people.
@MattWatts-kv8rh
@MattWatts-kv8rh 2 ай бұрын
How has American political discourse been impacted by the ruling in Citizens United, if at all?
@ASwagPecan
@ASwagPecan 3 жыл бұрын
Unpopular take: SCOTUS made the right call, despite the obvious negative reprocussions. Their job is to interpret the law as written, not bend it and shift it to fit their views.
@kingcreg
@kingcreg 3 жыл бұрын
They should have seen that the bill of rights is meant to protect individuals not associations and corporations. With enough power or money these corporations have the ability to do whatever they want with their money.
@failedcomedian8125
@failedcomedian8125 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingcreg corporations are just a group of people.
@mihirwagh7911
@mihirwagh7911 7 жыл бұрын
Mr. Beat do the Obergefell v. Hodges
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
I will definitely do that one at some point :)
@mihirwagh7911
@mihirwagh7911 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rooseveltbrentwood9654
@rooseveltbrentwood9654 5 жыл бұрын
i just saw that video in my feed
@WS-gw5ms
@WS-gw5ms 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel. I am binge watching. So don't be surprised if you see several messages from me. Your channel is going to be growing quick.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome! And thank you :D Glad you found it.
@DragonTamerCos
@DragonTamerCos 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, in terms of existing law and the constitution it seems pretty legal. If you don't want this to be happening, the most logical move is an amendment because I don't see how it conflicts with the constitution
@aaronmontgomery2055
@aaronmontgomery2055 3 жыл бұрын
The issue is that it would limit free speech of independent parties (not in the political sense). Lets say a group makes 2 films before the election, one is against one candidate and the other film the other candidate, should they be allowed to release their films? Its an issue of limiting who can say what for what reason. It becomes this slippery slope.
@twelch12
@twelch12 4 күн бұрын
The 1st amendment states that people have the right to: Speech, Assemble, and petition the Government for a redress of grievances. One side says you can do all 3 at the same time an the other says that you can only do one at a time.
@destinyenriquez4233
@destinyenriquez4233 5 жыл бұрын
This video helped because you had to dumb it down for some of us THANKS! I'll be watching it like 4 more times until i FULLY understand it! I have a essay due in 4 days yikes
@SpencerFH
@SpencerFH Жыл бұрын
OMG this video was in my Politics textbook! So cool and validating of KZfaq educational content!
@wreaverfizzlefen3234
@wreaverfizzlefen3234 2 ай бұрын
If money = speech, then more money = more speech, and that fundamentally breaks the system.
@piggy8761
@piggy8761 23 күн бұрын
Ah dont say that, youre hurting their narrative Thats what i immediately thought when i learned of citizens united v fec. More money = more speech? 😂😂 makes zero sense
@hyojinlee
@hyojinlee 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for all your videos:) I love them!!
@ashleighstratmann7783
@ashleighstratmann7783 5 жыл бұрын
Corporations itself isn't a person so to say, but it is run by people who is protected by our civil rights. So really, the people who run the corporations does have rights and are free to express it even through their corporations. Although I'll admit it's annoying to think it that way
@kyleritchie862
@kyleritchie862 7 жыл бұрын
Do you think you could do a video on the FLQ? My history/economics teacher described the heavy handed government response and how it was the last major terrorist-related-event in Canada to date as a result of said action by the government. Would be interesting to get your run-down of the event. Love the videos - just found them tonight and have watched about 10 of them.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great suggestion! I receive so many requests that for now I only take video suggestions from my patrons on Patreon - if you pledge to on there please let me know on through the site so it’s more streamlined.
@danielgrudzinski9806
@danielgrudzinski9806 Жыл бұрын
damn, its been a long and joyful journey
@Yannis1a
@Yannis1a 5 жыл бұрын
So if corporations are people then those that mean Disney will become the future president of the USA?
@owlblocksdavid4955
@owlblocksdavid4955 4 жыл бұрын
They're not actually people. They just possess freedom of speech.
@hollydowns2279
@hollydowns2279 3 жыл бұрын
Why I am a disenfranchised USA citizen ! If I had known what I now know , I would have saved up in my 20s to leave this monarchy
@mindyourbusinessxoxo
@mindyourbusinessxoxo 2 жыл бұрын
You still can. I barely got 3k from ride-sharing and bailed to Germany on my 25th bday. I've never felt so free. My blood pressure has drastically dropped
@vsauce4120
@vsauce4120 3 жыл бұрын
*Michael Bloomberg joined the chat*
@alivewell2920
@alivewell2920 3 жыл бұрын
No, they shouldn’t be able to give money to politics then take it off theirs taxes. This is part of the problem in America.
@fleetadmiralj
@fleetadmiralj Жыл бұрын
hmm yes, the well known "association of citizens" known as corporations. If anything, corporations (and I assume labor unions as well) being "entities" in the law shows that they aren't, simply, "association of citizens" (as compared to say, the local PTA or some non-profit org)
@jacksonbangs6603
@jacksonbangs6603 3 жыл бұрын
I do not agree with Citizens United. Simply put, I don't think there can be unlimited spending in our elections.
@MrVedude
@MrVedude 3 жыл бұрын
That's not issue Citizens United decided. It decided that a movie could not be banned even though it mentioned a candidate. It was a good ruling!
@nearn8517
@nearn8517 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrVedude The ruling result is corruption and money in our politics.
@TheSSUltimateGoku
@TheSSUltimateGoku 24 күн бұрын
John Paul Stevens saw the future literately. The parties have been become glorified. We can just put in a president that nobody wants just because we can fuck this ruling!
@punkeratthecasbah2114
@punkeratthecasbah2114 4 жыл бұрын
Endless amounts of corporate money in politics, what could go wrong? Why didn't we do this a long time ago? This law allows those companies into our elections, and into the pockets of our politicians. The Republican Party works for corporate America, sell the working man out 10/10 times for more corporate profits. Just ask middle class Unions, right to work states, the Minimum wage for those hurting the most and the working mans SS & Medicare. The Republican party always has the working man paying the price for Republican party policy and always in the favor of corporate America. This has to end, vote BLUE.
@ATTJ7628
@ATTJ7628 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry to tell you but every party, even third parties like the Libertarian party are corrupt and retarded.
@kiandocherty3589
@kiandocherty3589 4 жыл бұрын
Mr Beat, your Bernie love is showing.
@jettforpresident3428
@jettforpresident3428 7 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
+Jett For President Thanks!
@moonman239
@moonman239 2 жыл бұрын
Corporations are formed by groups of people, so when you restrict corporations, you restrict people. If corporate personhood doesn't exist, then at what point can the freedom of peaceful assembly be regulated?
@raymondperez5776
@raymondperez5776 12 күн бұрын
I’m here because RFK spook out against this and I agree with Mr. Beat.
@taoiseachjager9643
@taoiseachjager9643 3 ай бұрын
This case is probably the worst supreme court decision since plessy v ferguson
@michaelheeheejackson7255
@michaelheeheejackson7255 4 жыл бұрын
Easily one of the worst decisions ever made
@zayedelahee2166
@zayedelahee2166 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine they make a grocery store for billionare companies, and in a rack, they have prices for each candidate. Like $20 bil to get Hillary elected, $15 for trump
@ruthiecole8634
@ruthiecole8634 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to have you go over more of what Citizens U. has done. Didn't they try to usurp the word person, (?) something like that.
@brennanchamplin9405
@brennanchamplin9405 2 жыл бұрын
It’s Not Right to talk trash about someone especially Hillary Clinton.
@edwardspaghetti473
@edwardspaghetti473 Жыл бұрын
I think this ruling is the biggest threat to our democratic republic. Politicians do not serve the people any longer, they serve the people whom pay them.
@flamefusion8963
@flamefusion8963 6 жыл бұрын
People should be able to spend money to promote candidates they like.
@Camelotsmoon
@Camelotsmoon 6 жыл бұрын
Flame Fusion I agree, PEOPLE should be able to, not corporations. If the head CEO of bank of America wants to reach in his pocket and donate to a compaign that's fine, but a corporate entity should not be able to.
@gearbear4530
@gearbear4530 6 жыл бұрын
Why can't corporations do it?
@sivor6401
@sivor6401 6 жыл бұрын
because corporations are not "the people" mentioned in our constitution. Us individual citizens are the people. It wasn't corporations that the founding fathers spoke for when they stated "We the people," It was the ordinary man.
@raney150
@raney150 6 жыл бұрын
Universe's Explosion because corporations don't get a vote anyway.
@gearbear4530
@gearbear4530 6 жыл бұрын
Corporations are composed of people with said rights.
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 4 жыл бұрын
Can corporations "die"? And why do they get taxed differently if they are "people"?
@fuge74
@fuge74 6 жыл бұрын
I agree, only for independent action, and domestic. this means a BP cannot politically advertise, because it is not American nor an American citizen.
@alexking7262
@alexking7262 2 жыл бұрын
I’m honestly not sure how I feel about this case, I’m also pretty divided when it comes to it!
@andrewjgrimm
@andrewjgrimm 6 ай бұрын
The video stated that the dissent thought this decision was bad for America, but not why they thought it was bad, or how you can have free speech in the USA and also have this law. Is it so obvious it doesn’t need saying? As an aside, making a constitutional amendment in order to specifically make an unconstitutional restriction constitutional is usually a sign you’re making a mistake.
@whiterunguard698
@whiterunguard698 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Beat, could you do a video on Santa Clara County v Southern Pacific Railroad Company 118 U.S 394 (1886) I believe you’d like the significance of the case ;)
@nomduclavier
@nomduclavier 4 жыл бұрын
I can see some pretty shady shit happening there...
@emjay2045
@emjay2045 2 жыл бұрын
The people - oops - corporations, should be taxed as people without those special loopholes. Can’t have it both ways. (Like the death penalty. )
@DrocksErocks
@DrocksErocks 2 жыл бұрын
For me it’s no I don’t think corporations are people but I also don’t agree with banning a movie/documentary simply on the basis that it could compromise an election. If it’s salacious or libelous or just plainly deceitful it should be sued but something about the government prohibiting a simply hit piece doesn’t sit right with me either. Idk if you can reconcile between the two tho and I do recognize the problems that come out of this ruling more broadly. Idk…this is one of those big court decisions that I personally can’t figure out where I stand
@96alexmay
@96alexmay 2 жыл бұрын
So... Can someone explain that thing of corporations being people? Because in civil law corporations do have personhood, but not the same as an individual , the corporation is called personalidad moral in spanish and the individual is personalidad física, both legal but way diferent ins rights and obligations. So tell me, please how is in America?
@retardationnation869
@retardationnation869 Жыл бұрын
This isn't something for the courts to decide. The court was right in this instance. To make a change to this decision is something that needs to be passed by Congress with a new amendment same with abortion.
@kerred
@kerred 7 жыл бұрын
this video really makes me want to buy a Nike shoe for some reason now. :) I'd like to see some globally recognized symbol be used for a corporation that doesn't represent any Corporation at all.
@sunnycorax
@sunnycorax 7 жыл бұрын
Gotta get that ad revenue. :p
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
You just made my head hurt. lol I am so confused
@victoriabaker6943
@victoriabaker6943 Жыл бұрын
Corporations are not people. They are A mass of people, but unless they are all “Borg” it’s unlikely they have the exact same ideas. If they, as a group, are providing funding to ruin a candidate, then as individuals of this corporation they should make their remarks known by name. Corporations hide behind A mass of people & say they are the voice, but it is not true. It is what they want people to believe so that they can gain their favorite drug, power.
@joshuagraves6643
@joshuagraves6643 Жыл бұрын
No one should be allowed to donate money for political reasons. You get your vote. Use it. That's the only way it's fair for all of us
@ShankarSivarajan
@ShankarSivarajan Жыл бұрын
Do you also believe no one should be allowed to produce any media (pamphlets, videos, etc.), or at least not spend any money on doing so, if the government decides it's political? That's pretty much arguing for abolishing "free speech," as any reasonable person would understand the term.
@piggy8761
@piggy8761 23 күн бұрын
Thats too extreme. Donations are what campaigns need because they are expensive. However big money pacs from supporting both parties are the problem.
@pluto6383
@pluto6383 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that this case would be less controversial if more people knew what it was about rather than just the outcome. I think restricting someone from releasing films, books, etc. simply because they criticize a candidate who is facing an election soon is completely ridiculous and a clear violation of not only free speech but also free press. I’m not saying I like big corrupt corporations, but just because we don’t like them doesn’t mean they don’t deserve the same rights as we do.
@the8thgemmer467
@the8thgemmer467 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt you have the resources needed for releasing books or movies about candidates. That’s the problem, most people don’t have that free speech and those who do become first-class citizens. Expressing your opinions is one thing, influencing the masses and creating a customer-client relationship between politicians and those with enough resources is what makes the majority second-class citizens.
@the8thgemmer467
@the8thgemmer467 3 жыл бұрын
@@gecicihesap901 That’s not how it works. People don’t “lose their rights” they still have freedom of speech, just as how they have a right as a person to the assets of their company. And politicians do get bought. If you invest in their campaign that is the equivalent of giving them money. It is almost impossible to get elected without any donations to your name and very hard if you have few. Therefore, a politician is dependent on this funding, and it will obviously not come their way if their policy does not support them, and naturally the very fact that they possess these resources say something about the benefits they would receive from certain political decisions. Let’s get this clear: this is not a right, it is a privilege. A right is a universal legal entitlement founded on just and moral grounds to be capable of doing something. Freedom of speech is a right. It is not punishable for you to speak your opinion in constructive dialogue as the one we are having right now. The ability to finance campaigns, however, is only held by a select few, and gives them certain privileges, often also bringing disadvantages to others, which are not at all universal. While this is acceptable for rights that do not affect everyone the right for two people of homosexuals to marry does not affect society in general except for those invoking it, but it is the right of homosexuals which logically cannot be invoked by anyone else, in this case it is antithetical to the very concept of equality rights are founded on, as would be the right of a company to choose to discriminate against black people. The freedom of speech of the company is protected, anyway, since nobody should punish it for simply endorsing a candidate, but investing capital to support a candidate is something nobody should be able to do. Candidates’ funding should come from their voters in the last election so that it is in direct proportion to the popularity of their ideas (through taxes of less than a dollar). You also mention high abstention rates, which are of course a huge problem. However, there is definitely the possibility of these being affected by donation laws. I live in a European country where donations by entities are almost prohibited and donations by individuals are strictly regulated. This is true for all EU countries and the vast majority have a higher turnout than the US. In my country turnout to presidential elections in 2018 was 74% and in the US in 2020 it was 67%. The difference sounds small but keep in mind that here the turnout was a historical low (in the last elections before 2018 they were 82% and even THAT was considered low) and the USA’s turnout was the highest in a half century if I am not mistaken. In the last mayoral elections for the USA’s biggest city (NYC) had a turnout of 25%. In the last mayoral elections in the largest municipality in my country (Limassol) was 48%. While it was lower in other places the point remains. So the question arises, how do campaign financing laws affect this? Well, think of this, 63% of Americans support free healthcare. Nevertheless, healthcare companies are an important contributor and do not support this. Therefore, in the majority of congress seats both candidates are against free healthcare. Therefore, it’s impossible to democratically install this. Now, you may agree or disagree with free healthcare, it’s your right, but if you believe in democracy then you must accept that for such a pressing issue the will of the majority must be enforced. In my country, 73% of the people supported free healthcare. In 2018 a right-wing government was elected. This government, like all governments, had one thing in mind; it wants to win elections. Therefore, it created a universal healthcare system and thus the will of the people was materialised. This is a great example of a right clearly stipulated by the universal declaration of human rights, that all governments must be elected by the people and their policy must conform to the will of the people.
@the8thgemmer467
@the8thgemmer467 3 жыл бұрын
@@gecicihesap901 Although I don’t see how I didn’t address your other points I’ll just reply to this. First of all, there are very specific sentiments on very specific plans which are not accepted by the majority of congressmen including the majority of democrats. Here’s a poll which addresses a lot of these: www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/. For example, a single-payer plan is supported by 49%, which is a majority given those who didn’t answer. In any case, that’s not the point. The problem isn’t Republicans against this, it’s that both parties are against it. Joe Biden himself is against it. When you vote you don’t see a candidate on the ballot who will reflect this view. You also say funding doesn’t affect election results, which may be true in general (obviously excluding third parties) since both major parties receive roughly equal amounts but which misses the entire point. It doesn’t affect results, it’s not a matter of results, it’s a matter of candidates’ positions. Now, in some places there are primaries but those rarely reflect the views of the entire community. On the other hand, if campaign financing was not as even as it is it would most definitely affect results. Even if it doesn’t, it’s an investment of capital, the candidate is receiving capital. Now, you also address turnout, but that’s something I did address. If you look at the paragraph that’s in, it specifically talks about turnout. My thesis is that many of these people don’t vote because both candidates are financially dependent on corporations who are blocking them from expressing their views. Low turnout isn’t the result of apathy, it’s the result of not bring reflected by the candidates. Solving this entails various steps (e.g amending the electoral system, abolishing gerrymandering) but campaign financing laws are definitely one of them. You may disagree with specific systems, but your opinion, as well as all in the category of free healthcare, which are supported by the people, are quite simply not supported by the party; either party. The opinions of those abstaining are not irrelevant, in any case. The normal democratic process would result in a congress whose views are those of the people each member represents, and thus a healthcare plan of broad approval is passed and signed into law by the president. Another issue is the minimum wage. The majority of both West Virginians and Arizonans support raising it to $15/h, as do the citizens of almost every state. However, those two states’ democratic senators voted against it. This means whatever way the voters voted in those states the vote of their senator would have been the same. And now how can they be punished by the electorate, which after all is the point of democracy? They should be able to vote for someone else who would agree with them in the next election, but the other candidate does not. Sinnema most definitely cast this vote because of how her campaign is financed.
@the8thgemmer467
@the8thgemmer467 3 жыл бұрын
@@gecicihesap901 I’m sorry to hear how frustrating this has been to you. I’ll reply in your format. >”Your analysis is far more simplistic.” It is, but it’s not as simple as you say. I also reference to Europe as a comparison and there where policies that are supported by large majorities are more common turnout is much higher. Correlation does not equal causation but this most certainly seems at least somewhat related. “They don’t care” is definitely a simplistic analysis too. Now, I know polls aren’t gods but I would still like to point to one for this subject. In this poll:www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/medill-npr-nonvoters-2020 only 23% of nonvoters stated they did not vote due to disinterest in politics. As you can see the majority believe both candidates will not change things and two thirds believe voting has little impact on how the country os run. This brings the question, what do they believe affects this? Here’s a telling quote, ““The American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful.” (78% of non-voters and 69% of voters agree)”. Also, by the way, I won’t keep dragging your question. We know how many of these people are registered voters, it’s 69% (supporting medicare-for all). As for what would be considered a dealbreaker, that’s rarer information to find but the basic idea of a democratic government would be that citizens vote for parties which agree with them on the subject, and those parties receive seats proportional to their votes, and thus a majority-accepted deal is reached. In the next election, the voters may punish parties they voted for if they disagreed with the concessions or reward parties that participated in it. As for how important it is, although this really should be something (again) obvious by the proportionally elected parties, and the way voters vote on the next election, the will of the majority on an issue which concerns an industry worth hundreds of billions and concerns every person should be ensured. You didn’t address what I said about a majority of democratic candidates also not supporting medicare-for all or any system for free healthcare, which is a critical point. Keep in mind, if voters want to punish their representative they do it either by abstaining or voting for someone else, which for such an issue means benefitting the even more opposed party without meaning it. While campaign financing doesn’t necessarily relate to this, it’s most certainly telling that the average yearly donations of big pharma are $233 million to candidates. >”Lobbying goes both ways” Does it? Union lobbying was less than half of corporate lobbying in all most recent presidential elections. For many issues there is very little representation of one side. The subject we were talking about, for example, does not have any almost any campaign finance supporting it. And again, the way for lobbying to go both ways is to make it proportional to votes, otherwise it’s weighted based on the resources available. >There are hard limits to how much you can give That’s not true. There is not limit for corporations (or unions, for that matter). > Why would you think that? First of all, there are reports that about 7 other Senators would vote the way she does but don’t to remain popular. This ties into any motives they may have. I know people in politics and I can tell you it’s not just based on their opinion ever. Sinnema herself used to be a socialist, and believed corporate donations were bribes and refused to accept them. Later in she did, and her fiscal conservative stances seemed to grow as did the donations. Definitely not 100% related, but again, you can assume this is more than just a coincidence.
@HistoryNerd808
@HistoryNerd808 7 жыл бұрын
Can you do one on DC v. Heller?
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
I get a lot of requests for that one, but the Patreon supporters get first dibs.
@HistoryNerd808
@HistoryNerd808 7 жыл бұрын
Mr. Beat Gotcha
@alexvertikov4069
@alexvertikov4069 4 жыл бұрын
The big thing is that its not about campaigns its about independent expenditures. And yet you keep saying its about campaign contributions.
@alexvertikov4069
@alexvertikov4069 4 жыл бұрын
Also no one said corporations are people, and its irrelevant in this case because its about speech, not speakers.
@snozer6966
@snozer6966 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the court was kinda screwed no matter who they sided with. No, I don’t think corporations are people but the people that run those corporations are people. If the court sided with FEC then it opens the door for all kinds of censorship and we’d be up and arms about that. This is probably the toughest scotus case I’ve thought about ever. A lot of big questions to be asked.
@fleetadmiralj
@fleetadmiralj Жыл бұрын
But the people behind the corporations *can* and always have been able to donate to campaigns and such. So in a way, by saying they can donate and *also* the corporations they control can *also* donate, you are essentially allowing them to double-dip
@John-tr5hn
@John-tr5hn Жыл бұрын
What kind of censorship? All of this stuff was already illegal. No one cared, except a bunch of rich Republicans who wanted to ensure that they could always buy their legislators, which they've been doing since the dawn of time. Campaign-finance laws are the only possible way to prevent the rich from simply buying the government they want. They already do so; Fox News is simply a corporation that pretends to be truth-seeking in order to persuade gullible people that facts aren't true.
@CompoundInterest-SG
@CompoundInterest-SG 5 жыл бұрын
Corporations aren't people, but they are made up by people. And if people have a right to free speech, groups of people should have it too, which includes corporations. The problem isn't that corporations have free speech. The problem is that, through advertisement, those with more money are given a louder voice in politics than those with less money. And that goes for both individuals and companies.
@ShankarSivarajan
@ShankarSivarajan Жыл бұрын
Those who can afford to buy loudspeakers have a louder voice (more literally) than those who can't. You can try Harrison-Bergeroning this, but you might not like the result.
@Jacobsters
@Jacobsters 11 ай бұрын
Decided on my second birthday, that's crazy
@son_hoang0496
@son_hoang0496 Жыл бұрын
this isn’t getting overturned any time soon, especially with the justices rn 💀
@mamateva
@mamateva 4 жыл бұрын
You use iMovie, right?
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 4 жыл бұрын
Final Cut Pro
@cardinalsfan8182
@cardinalsfan8182 2 жыл бұрын
This creep Bopp needs to be locked up in prison
@Sewblon
@Sewblon Жыл бұрын
The top 2 comments are about corporate personhood. But Citizens United v. FEC protects all associations of individuals, not just corporations. Corporate personhood really isn't the important part of this decision.
@aaronbradley3232
@aaronbradley3232 5 жыл бұрын
I hope nobody freaking agrees with it because but I'm not going to look because like I said I'm trying to clean up the language this is serious stuff. I think I've had all the learning my brain can handle for the day. I've watched at least 60 of your videos so yeah my head starting to hurt
@nngnnadas
@nngnnadas 7 жыл бұрын
I don't realy get why the "corporation are people" part is so important. is it better that a rich individual will fund a propanda piece than that a corporation will do it?
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
I think the idea is that more propaganda pieces will favor the interests of the rich, as opposed to the rest of us, assuming their interests are different than everyone else.
@sunnycorax
@sunnycorax 7 жыл бұрын
From what I have read and listened to on the subject the idea of "corporations are people" is that people don't give up their rights when they act as a collective. As an individual person I can promote, speak, and create as much content as I want and spend as much money as I want doing it. Just because I work with a bunch of other people in a union or an organization advocating a specific political outcome doesn't mean I should give up that right. That is how I've understood it. That is not to say that operations have all of the same rights as people but in this case they do. It isn't so much that one is preferable than the other but that in the eyes of the law they are both the same. It also gives, theoretically, an equal chance for people to get their voice out. Bill Gates may have swaths of money that he can put to but individuals can band together to match that speech by contributing what they can.
@nngnnadas
@nngnnadas 7 жыл бұрын
yeah but a lot of people who complain about citizen united do seem concern in particular about the corporation bit.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent points, but about the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment? Don't corporations inherently have special privilege under the law? Individual rights can be argued to be distinct from collective rights. For example, the tyranny of the majority threat always summons special privileges for the individual who might be at threat. I guess what I am trying to say is that once someone joins a collective, they have both collective rights and individual rights, and the collective rights could be argued to be more limited than individual.
@jayr6637
@jayr6637 6 жыл бұрын
I'm all for free speech, but "corporations are people" sounds like delusional BS from the SC Justices. Are all corporations people? Or is it only US corporations? What about Chinese or Russian corporations? What about a US corporation that is partially or fully foreign owned? Now we've just heard the FBI have indicted 13 Russians for election meddling. If corporations are people, maybe there was a better way to do this and be legally untouchable?
@idwtgymn
@idwtgymn Жыл бұрын
The real problem is voters who are so ignorant and irresponsible that they are swayed by political speech. We should be passing an amendment to place minimum responsibility requirements on voters instead, like they are supporting themselves and can answer basic objective questions about who they are voting for.
@Fraublitz
@Fraublitz 3 жыл бұрын
It is in the Super Pac Money mostly used right now in the Lincoln Project.
@jurgnobs1308
@jurgnobs1308 2 жыл бұрын
i can't judge on the legal arguments. but politically, this is one of the most damaging cases. but of course justices are meant to decide on legal merit, so it's a tough one
@Valyssi
@Valyssi Жыл бұрын
Whether the law was constitutional is contentious, I certainly think the majority made valid arguments, but I think most people can agree that uncapped money in politics does more harm for democracy than good. Free speech provisions are there to strengthen democracy, those provisions may well apply to corporations, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. Elections are now mainly about who can raise the most money, the best places to raise money from are corporations, making "corruption" all but inevitable. The only way to stand a chance of winning is by appealing to lobbyists, particularly the best-funded lobby groups representing the most profitable industries. And for people thinking this is partisan, I wouldn't want renewable energy companies making attack ads for Trump either. But yes, there is partisanship in the sense that Republican policies align far more with corporate interests than leftist policies, hence why the Democratic party remains to this day devoted to conservative on many economic policies. The vast majority of Democrat politicians have significant corporate interests that conflict with the needs of their constitutions. I have no problem with people speaking their mind about Hillary, trump, Obama, Biden, desantis or anyone else. I have a major problem, however, with the extent to which corporate money influences our elections, and so should anyone who cares about the needs of the people, even conservatives.
@quinaIMF
@quinaIMF 5 жыл бұрын
Cooperation are not people, but they are free to spend the money how they choose. And funny how people keep shouting cooperation are not people often are the people demanding cooperation to more tax rather than people. HEH. Government saying what cooperation can and or can not do with their money is another step towards facism. You are welcomed.
@haroldlawson8771
@haroldlawson8771 5 жыл бұрын
Funny that unions aren’t mention
@Montfortracing
@Montfortracing 4 жыл бұрын
Unions were mentioned
@owlblocksdavid4955
@owlblocksdavid4955 4 жыл бұрын
Unions are often corporations, I believe.
@Locojjona
@Locojjona 7 жыл бұрын
get mr beat to 10000
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 7 жыл бұрын
Almost there!
@BritishRepublicsn
@BritishRepublicsn Ай бұрын
10,000? That's a bit high
@michaelkelly6703
@michaelkelly6703 2 жыл бұрын
Why is it we see more whining and complaining about the 2016 election than the 2020 election fr?
@anticorncob6
@anticorncob6 2 жыл бұрын
We don't. Millions of traitorous people are working to make it so Republicans can do a coup whenever they lose.
@aaronTGP_3756
@aaronTGP_3756 6 ай бұрын
This case is one of the worst in recent history. Castle Rock v. Gonzales is right next to it.
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