I'm even older. My first CPU was a 8085@2MHz 😎

@@e1woqf 2MHz! first 'machine' I had use of as a kid was an Atari ST540FM which consisted of an 8MHz Motorola CPU and 512KB of RAM. The one I had use of had no HDD, just a 3.5" floppy drive but in 95 when I started secondary school, we had a lot of DOS and Windows 3.1 machines and there was an Acorn (don't recall model) and an Acorn BBC Model B (2MHz 6502, 16KB RAM, etc which were n the library which I used to use and simply "mess about" with the code in the game, snake so I could make it look different on the Monochrome monitor.

NASCOM computer for me, followed by a Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K back when those were new.

K6-2/400 2nd was Athlon XP 2800+

same

Was also thinking something along those lines. Cool to see the little underdog managing to beat Intel in certain areas

@@RetroSpector78 yeah those Cyrix CPUs were true "volks pentiums" until overclockable and affordable Celerons and Durons came into the scene later.

On other hand we basicly have intel and amd now on x86 home consumer market front and nothing more.

This is because both AMD and Intel are anti-competitive when the cards are down. They both went out of their way to kill third-party chipset manufacturing and hijack front side bus and socket designs. Intel goes without saying but people like to paint AMD as if they're some saintly innocent do-no-wrong technology company. The reality is that AMD also did their best to screw their competition when the chance came. You have to realize one of the reasons Cyrix was even able to enter the x86 market was because sockets and front side bus platforms were basically standardized by the industry as a whole, so if you had the engineers and intellectual and monetary capital you totally could design and fab x86 CPUs that would work as drop-in replacements for other x86 CPUs. AMD, after they were done second-sourcing for Intel AND Cyrix both got into the x86 market for themselves entirely because the industry, not Intel, controlled the platform, and so you could easily just look up pinouts and specifications on both front and rear-side bus designs and produce CPUs that would work. Then stuff like how extensive the bus could be, connectivity, what sort of RAM you had, etc, basically was left up to the motherboard manufacturer, so long as they conformed to various standards laid out by groups like the IEEE or JEDEC. What resulted was that Intel, AMD, and Cyrix had to actually compete in terms of what the CPUs themselves were capable of doing, as the CPU was not going to be changing how the platform itself worked. So a CPU had to sell itself on its performance and capabilities independently of trying to hold features or specific platform technologies hostage unless you use their platform like they do now. I'm looking at you, Intel, with Optane, and you, AMD, with Infinity Fabric. Those are examples of technologies that should have been left to motherboard and chipset manufacturers to support, not enforced by what brand of CPU you had. Well, once Intel and AMD saw an opportunity to actually put front side bus functionality on their CPUs and felt they could get away with it, they did, and it gave them an excuse to also reject industry standard sockets and make proprietary ones instead. For a while they still let third party manufacturers make rear-side bus chips (nVidia used to actually support a lot of AMD CPUs with their nForce chipset. This was before AMD bought out ATI and started competing with nVidia.) but eventually they killed that off too and started integrating more FSB features into their CPUs until this day where FSBs are basically an obsolete term and you just have a singular chip serving as the southbridge that is manufactured by the same company as your CPU. Why? So that companies like Cyrix and Transmeta would never be able to show up and disrupt their cash flows again. Gone are the days when you could design and fab a drop in replacement for a Pentium because the sockets are proprietary and the platforms are treated like trade secrets now. If you were to try and make an x86 CPU that could run in, say, a socket 1151 chances are Intel would sue you out of existence, or AMD would take you to court over trying to use AM4+. Intel and AMD are not your friends.

@@YaroKasear I guess this change adds up to the problem that PC hardware are so diverse today which make software/peripheral manufacturer hard to keep up with compare to Mac.

@@YaroKasear So it's the on chip proprietary front and back side bus architecture that makes designing a compatible cpu almost impossible?

@@YaroKasear This is plain capitalism. Starting with a variety of company's sharing a marked, it always went down to a consolidated market with just a few leader company's left.

Thx a lot ... really appreciate comments like that !

Yeah AMD also had some great cpu’s during that time. But kinda like these old Cyrix cpu’s. In some degrees technologically very advanced and beating intel on a lot of fronts. Amazing considering their difference in budget (marketing, R&D...)

Same here, then i got a Duron 750

K6 was outside design, so all the AMD R&D budget went into buyout of NexGen :)

What happened in 1997? Bankruptcy? How would the market be today had Cyrix survives? How would Ryzen will become? Could Cyrix have survive had they venture into graphics card instead of CPUs?

Thx ! Glad you liked it.

You are very welcome ... lots more socket7 stuff to come ... don't forget to subscribe / share ! Thx a lot for the comment

I have a Winchip C6 and Winchip 2, both with 200 MHz.

@@3DfxAslinger Yeah, have both in my little museum. Also the Rise mp6 @ 200MHz.

Always on the lookout for cool stuff, but this one hasn't found it's way here

@@RetroSpector78 Got my chips from China last summer. There are a few seller in HongKong and Taiwan. Rise mp6: www.ebay.com/itm/Rise-Technology-MP6-PR-266-MHz-MP6441RPFH4-Q-TESTED/143074735003?hash=item214feb339b:g:VhkAAOSw7wFcDUuR

one of the more popular models in the nineties ... lots of manufacturers made these.

mine picked up some sort of cb radio frequencies as i could hear faint sounds of people taking, even cursing, maybe they were causing some interfernce

This one is currently running stable at 187.5mhz. Sometimes has a little bit of an issue with some winstone tests (1 hour testing), but playing games, working in windows, running prime95 all seems to work fine. Difficult to view the cpu temperature unfortunately

@@RetroSpector78 It needs liquid cooling ;-)

I think you have it, as it would also account for the less than stellar rendering accuracy (it was however a fun game)

Quake was pretty much the first game that wanted a strong FPU, Scream was earlier than that so no problem

Wraith yeah ... I’ve been focussing a lot on XT class machines, and as much as I like these old machines (and 286 , 386), the stuff that you got as a kid does hold a special place in your heart.

that was one of the fast machine for 97' and up to mid 1998. For 1.5 year, complete dream build for that era. Then, it was dethroned by cheap Celerons 266 and 300, and particulary 300A in august 1998. :) (would never expectd, that so fast and cheap processor will appear just in 1.5 year after Pentium MMX, complete shock. I was expecting like even in 2000, Pentium 233 MMX will be still only mid-range processor, quite expensive, cheap Celerons and AMD k6-2 400-500mhz was total shock for me, how cheap yoi could have in 1999 that performance, that beats overclocked Pentium 233 MMX by huge margin )Actually, Celeron 266 was only bit faster from 250 MMX, but after overclocking to 100 FSB, those Celerons outperformed Pentium MMX by 2-3x times, also offered AGP slot. I have also 75 mhz capable motherboard for socket 7 with Pentium 233 MMX as vintage computer. With INtel TX chipset 430. After overclocking to 75x3.5, 262.5 mhz, that system is socket 7 beast. Heard, there is unofficial BIOS for 83mhz, but could not get that for my board (QDI Titanium 250/1b)

The pr200 came out in 75x2 and 66x2.5 editions. Mine was a 75x2. In next video will try some overclocking

OC will be for the next video :) This mainboard only went to 75Mhz but have a super socket 7 that goes all the way up to 100Mhz.

I'd love to see both AMD K5-PR200 and K6-200 compared with the exact same hardware!

InWin chip would be interesting too

Don't have the InWin chip, but have a couple of Cyrix / AMD / Intel chips that can be benched in the same way

@@RetroSpector78 please do!😍

Have got a 6x86 pr166+, think I have a 5x86 also, and amd k6, k6-2 :) planning on doing some videos on that ... first cyrix one will be the pr200 overclock. Have too many different systems to cover here, from 1977 - 1999 :)

@@RetroSpector78 Sounds great! 😃

Not that familiar with the non intel / amd / cyrix cpu’s. But totally get the underdog sentiment.

I bought them because I had no money :D Back then we did know nothing about FPU power or benchmarks. We just saw the PR numbers and thought: Cool. Same speed, half the price ^^

@@RetroSpector78 NX686 which was in development is now known as AMD K6 after AMD bought NexGen

Was that one of the high clocked 486 core CPUs?

Mac Daniel Me too! I knew a guy with a PII 450. I was jealous. I bought a K6-2 350, and overclocked it to 400. I then got a Voodoo3 and overclocked it! My system was about half the price and just as fast.

Really liking these (super)socket 7 builds ... nice to be able to replay these old games. And not constantly worrying about exploding tantalum caps and failing mfm drives :)

now both require instruction sets from the other

Its not lacking an fpu, it is just really slow .... should have chosen a different word ...(made same mistake in previous video on the cyrix).

According to the award bios beep codes this does seem to point in the direction of the cpu. Do you have another cpu to try ? Does it do the same with all of the other components unplugged ? Can be any number of things. Can be a bad connection somewhere in the slot 1. Can be bad caps on the mainboard. Can be a bad cpu. Dodgy psu can also cause erratic behavior..... to diagnose these issues you first need to eliminate what it is not, and when you’re down to the psu, motherboard, cpu and ram you need to be able to swap some parts.

Intermittent boot-up problems, especially with cold boots, are usually associated with aged electrolytic capacitors. Have you checked whether any capacitor on the board is bulged or leaking? As RetroSpector78 also mentioned, your power supply can be the culprit. You should verify its voltage levels and check capacitors inside the PSU for bulging/leaking.

@@peachgrush I have not checked that yet, but I am kind of suspecting the PSU. Sadly I don't have a spare CPU to test but I could try a fresh PSU. The PSU in the system is the original one. Once the system has booted, the Bios doesn't report anything out of the ordinary. All the tempratures and voltages seem fine and the system is also running at it's normal clock speed (never been overclocked allthough the CMOS battery was replaced a few months ago and yesterday I noticed the clock multiplier was set to 3.5x100 which would suggest a slight under-clock but I think this is the safe default setting, I have put it back to 4x100 as I know that is a 400 mHz cpu from the day my dad bought it). I recently fitted a 5.25" drive in it (a nice, well working YE-DATA YD-380B) so that I can image old disks. My Pentium 4 system sadly only support one floppy drive appearantly and the Pentium supports two drives which I prefer. I really want to keep this system alive as much I can as I'm quite attached to it.

Here, I guess (not tested): vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=579&menustate=0

Only hava a K6 and K6-2 here ... would love to get myself a K-3

@@RetroSpector78 It's nice to see the mighty socket 7's still kicking around. Thanks for the upload. I finally managed to get my hands on a motherboard that supports my k6-2+ 500, which is similar to a K6-III in performance, only with half the size of on die L2 cache. Which makes it miles better than a plain jane k6-2, considering the lack of any on die L2 cache on those processors (not to mention the decent overclocking potential of the + models, thanks to the smaller manufacturing process). As a consequence a lot of emphasis was put on the motherboard. In particular on the speed and amount of L2 cache soldered onto the board, which had a considerable influence on the overall system performance. By the way, it would also be interesting to see the P1 200MMX overclocked and pitched against a later model k6 or earlier k6-2. The 200mmx should clock rather well, possibly reaching 290 Mhz (3.5*83). Keep up the good work!

Endre Toldi we should get together for a lan party :)

Endre Toldi planning to do some overclock videos. Problem is I don’t want to push it over its limits, but not easy to get sensor data on the socket7 platforms. And without knowing stuff like cpu temperature its hard to find dat limit. Have a k6-2 350 also. So think you can expect some more socket 7 videos. And we can always put your k6-2+ 500 on the bench :)

@@RetroSpector78 On ocasion I'm using an infrared thermometer and just point it onto the heatsink. It gives an accurate indication of the temperature (not the cpu core temp of course). Most of the time due to laziness :) I really just use my finger (watch out for static electricity though). If I can't hold my finger on the heatsink for more than two seconds the cpu is getting too hot. With socket 7 cpu's this barely happenes though, especially if you strap on a socket 370 cooler. Good luck and enjoy the gained free computing power. :D

Your motherboard could be: Totem, Soyo, DFI, QDI, Lucky Star, Yang An, Soltek, Shuttle, SuperMicro, Tekram, Tyan, TIGA or ZIDA - rare or almost rare brands... In 1999 at my first job got Celeron 400 with i740 3D 8 MB videocard...we called it "an ugly fast server" because it was main computer in a net with a couple of Celerons 300 without any 3d accelerator, just integrated 2D..and played a lot after work, oh that wonderful times spent on Half-life! I still respect that Intel`s 3D chip i740..it was AGP and there was no texture memory in it, it was ...uhm...DIME yes, Direct ...eh... so it used RAM through AGP but was fast enough. I read a lot about 3D: bilinear filtering, antialiasing, bump-mapping and other magic words only for initiates

The Turbo button was actually to slow things down for old programs that would have ran too fast I believe.

DEC was always ahead of the curve. I really, really hate that Compaq bought and destroyed them.

@@dlinkster hey........at least HP bought Compaq and avenged DEC by destroying it.....and then ruining everything like killing Alpha and being dumb enough to fall for Itanium

Still have my first laptop, I'm looking to for my Packard Bell Legend 386sx but I'd rather have it decked out vs lowend. Meaning if DOS gaming is the purpose I'd want a Pentium overdrive or equivalent. And usb 2.0 support.

Curious, would shadow ram be functional with that motherboard, also would EMS expanded memory, be eligible to set pageframe address emm386.exe frame C000.

Put that Cyrix in a ISA card for graphics this would be outstanding.

The pentium 233mmx was my very first computer

got an AMD K6 and K6-2 here and planning to play around with them a bit.

@@RetroSpector78 would be great if you could test the k6-2 against the Pentium MMX if possible at the same frequency and FSB :)

Yeah those Cyrix CPUs were only good for integer based software , e.g. avoiding subjecting it to audio or video applications that exposed the horrific math floating point performance. If used for basic internet browsing and MS Office stuff then it was great, just as good as the Intel rival for that purpose.

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The vintage edition failed with a blue screen of death unfortunately. Found 2 versions that did work (the last known supported version for win98, and some rebuild I found via vogons.

@@RetroSpector78 It was called straight up "cpuid" for the longest time.