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We already did the same thing in 1936

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Actually, I suspect that Mayotte residents have concerns about too many immigrants coming from the Comoros Islands. Macron ended birthright citizenship locally to discourage further immigration, but they probably think that it may be reinstated if the left can get their way. Or even worse, that they be given unilateral independence which would cut off the welfare checks and force them back in with the rest of the Comoros. My understanding is this is the poorest department in France, which makes them much better off then any other country in the region. OTOH, if illegal immigration to France is cut off, it makes it more feasible for locals to move to mainland France. Believe it or not, National Rally, would be fine with this to happen, since it would be a trickle compared to external migration, and it would give them a bit of cred against claims that they are racist.

It's the immigration from Comoros that's got the Mayotte people all upset.

Mayotte has become a hellhole thanks to illegal migrants from Comoros who behave violently and have created machete-wielding gangs

Bro, Mayotte is probably the most RN place in all of France. They will literally vote for ANY CANDIDATE who will throw other comorians away from their island, they're on the brink of being replaced And yes, the people i'm talking about are ALL black AND muslims Without RN they would have no voice and their concerns wouldn't be heard Other candidates help them only to push them away from RN

I actually found the second channel first wasn't really a fan of Minecraft content in general then I found out he was an exclusively Bedrock KZfaqr and started watching

I found this channel first, then discovered his Minecraft videos

“really intelligent”

its more like he has common sense, which i guess is rare these days

common sense doesn't exist​@@jidionclips_fan5720

"The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma..."

My guess is he wanted the opposition in to government so he had better chanche for the future presidential

Unbelievably based

PRAISE IVPITER

@@hawoaliahmed6996 But even that doesn't make sense. The Left will never ever under any circumstances allow the right to govern France. It'll be a repeat of 2022 the left will vote for the Ensemble candidate in order to block the right.

I've never watched his Minecraft videos. He's just a hilarious geography and political commentator to me.

he's biased as I am, even if I agree with some of what he says, I can see he is biased, everyone is biased, and don't view any political videos as unbiased

He is not here to be unbiased tho. He is just chaotic and loves to make fun of everything that sounds silly/dumb. If anything if you ask him what he supports etc he would answer it instantly without any sugarcoating. At least that's the kind of man i think he is

Wow, I never knew this was a second channel, let alone his main channel being Minecraft.

Being unbiased is impossible. Not even computers can do it, because they are made by people.

Yeah but France has a Two round system and Germany has Mixed Member Proportional voting. Two very different systems where Germany you can expect coalition government to happen more naturally due to the voting system.

France governement and parliamentary system is not meant for minority government or coalition. Parliament in France is meant to give the President, which has a lot of power, a majority like in the US ( without the midterms).

The 3 biggest parties have all pretty much said that they will not work with anyone from the other side. Its a pretty terrible result. No decisions will be made and riots will continue

Those three blocks fucking hate each other so there's no way a coalition get built with any of them. Also, look about the fourth french Republic which failed partially for the same reason.

As an American, I cannot comprehend an electoral map with more than two colors.

Honestly a fracture is the only way that France is going to get a governing majority-- if the more centrist elements of NFP join a coalition with Macron. Otherwise, it's just pure chaos all the way down. From the way Melenchon is talking, though, you'd think he just won a thumping majority. It's delusional stuff (and I'm on the left, I'm not just saying this because I don't like his policies).

RN too with the LR lead by Ciotti

​@Johan-em6kg not really LR is it's own separate thing. Ironically RN is the most in control of their coalition.

@@BrandonPyle-v5m a part of LR joined the RN and are counted in the seats of the RN, it’s the LR that is lead by Eric Ciotti

​@@Johan-em6kg But that's an coherent alliance based on ideas they share since a long time, those people came with conviction On the other side, not so much

Not awful for NFP, obviously.

cuz he is wrong bro

These results are good for anyone who isn’t supporting fascist Le Pen or “my thoughts are too complex for the media” Macron

​@@DUFFAL02Melenchon is also a miserable fascist, just on the left.

It’s good for pretty much everybody except the fascists, and particularly good for the far left who now have a very strong position in a potential next government.

I thought rn or nfp will definitely win

its the same as in literally all countries of europe

Not really. The RN won, they won most of the votes and gained 50+ seats. In 7 years they went from 8 seats to 144.

@@captainvanisher988 Yeah, but the more seats you have the less you can gain.

​@@anuk1311 not in France, a hung parliament is not common

It's not at all clear that France can pass a budget; the three main blocs have completely incompatible goals. Macron wants to cut spending, the left wants to increase spending, and the far right also wants to increase spending, but spend a lot of that increased spending hating on immigrants.

A proportional system allows for extremely radical parties to enter the government though, for example the N's in the Weimar Republic.

It all depends on what you call democracy. In France we consider that deputies represent their constituents, and are meant to bring relevant local issues and perspective to the national stage. That's why we vote for people and not for parties in elections. But it's perfectly logic too that in federal countries such as Germany the federal parliament would only distribute votes and seats between federal political parties

In implementation, democracy isn't one thing. What is commonly implemented is representative democracy within geographical districts with infrequent elections and disenfranchisement of folks who's preferred candidate doesn't win. Standard first past the post is technology that was cutting edge in the middle ages. Extending the franchise to all property owners was cutting edge for 250 years ago. Go back 135 years ago, and you ranked choice voting. Time to Uber this problem. Given current technology, what is a decent 2010 approach?

Thing is: most democracies turn into demagogies and the people become a tool to keep corrupt individuals in power.

NFP is probably gonna collapse into france unbowed and the socialists

Ensemble won't work with LFI which is the biggest party in the NFP, so this won't work

​@@DW_25 A socialist or ecologist PM could be chosen. And this is the only coalition possibility, so they'll have to overcome their issues

@@DW_25But they also won’t work with RN and can’t form a majority with the republicans, so it ultimately becomes a question of if they want to be in the NFP government, or on the sidelines of it

@@DW_25 They'll work with the greens and the socialists, the NFP is dead in two weeks anyway.

They withdrew candidates in the second round, so it makes sense they got fewer votes, as they were not running on many constituencies. They got fewer votes in the first round than NF, but they were the least bad option for many people. That is why they got more seats

Well, it wasn't random luck. Parties form their tactics based on the rules they play by. If the system used proportional representation, the resulting vote shares would be different

​@@jorgea5426That'd follow if they didn't get more votes because the Ensemble also removed their candidates in the constituencies where the NFP was winning. It's a lame excuse to say that they would've won more since the Ensemble and the NFP did voter exchanges to win more seats.

The French people** lucked out, the RN having parliamentary control would’ve been a disaster

@@DUFFAL02 how can yo usay they lucked out when their voice isnt represented? If you wanted one thing and got something you didnt want, is that you being lucky? I think there is a name for it, when the people dont get what they vote for and instead are ruled by a minority "for their own good" Thats not democracy, thats dictatorship.

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The only drawback is 30% of people not really wanting you there in case you take their jobs and make their neighbourhoods smell of Italian cooking.

da fuck, the far right doesnt go out an burn paris every summer

@@electricangel4488you wonder why people “burn Paris every summer?” Because of the far-rights policies oppressing them… They wouldn’t feel the need to protest if things were good.

Are they the ones that burn them every election or protest?

the center never really aligns with the left, if anything they posture against the center right and the further right but will always inevitably align with them in the end, if only by conceding ground in policy. Never gonna happen the other way around tho :)

Cringe liberals would never ally with the left

The left parties are all in an enormous coalition and they're extremely shaky and probably won't last for much time. There is absolutely no way an alliance of Macron and the entire left make a solid coalition.

Macron and the centrists are much more scared of Melenchon and the Left than Le Pen and the Right… because Le Pen and the Right keep the wealthy at the top. I love toycat, but he seems to be a little biased towards the right in terms of French politics. He’s trying to take a neutral position but the Right is far more dangerous than the Left, especially in France.

LOOK AT THE REPLIES TO THIS IN PURE DENIAL. when will you realise leftyshit is status quo, literally denying reality because it doesnt align with some stupid ideology of how you are always le heckin rebels

Communists are having a field day in the UK don't get me wrong.

They didn't run the candidates that were sure to lose and Ensemble did the same.

they didn't run because they were going to lose either way

@@lamogio7938 correct, my point being that you can't use low national voteshare as an indication of bad performance if the NFP itself decides to not run in a quarter of the races to prevent National Rally victories, a goal they largely achieved. It makes national voteshare as a performance indicator meaningless.

Yes but the Ensemble did the same, didn't they? Meaning that they did a voter exchange. So yes they lost because of the low voter turn out their coalition got.

​@@captainvanisher988Ensemble did do the same, but in a much lower amount of constituencies (as mentioned in my original comment) and not in all constitutiuencies where they were supposed to.

Obama would not win an election in Alabama

No, Mayotte was part of Comoros and during decolonisation they voted to remain french meanwhile the rest of Comoros islands voted for independence. This led to today's situation where a big proportion of Mayotte's population are illegal immigrants from the Comoros and they live in slums and are considered to be responsible for the high crime rates in the island.

@@riitd1710 oh shit, thanks for correcting me. What is the actual demographics like? I’m presuming they aren’t predominantly from Comoros if they are othering immigrants from there though?

@@winkle_the_wolf4229 Immigrants (can't find if legal or illegal) represent 45% of the adult population and 95% of them are from Comoros since it's the poorest country in the region and they are separated by a 100 kms of water.

@@riitd1710 last election they had a voter turn out of around 41.15% which is stupidly low. Which makes you wonder if political engagement is just low and that has allowed for this surge of right wing votes. And perhaps the ones who are voting are people from mainland france who moved there. I don’t know. I’m just seeing as to why the far right is so exaggerated in this area.

Also what I found is the island actually seems very divided politically. So it’s not an overwhelming right wing majority there. Interesting stuff

To be fair the french courts are biased and also far right has stronger implications

@@eeroraute281 I mean NR is one of the most obvious far right parties of europe, they are litterly founded by neo-nazi parties working together to try to make fascism mainstream. Atleast a far-right party like pvv in the Netherlands can say they split of a normal centre-right party (while they are spreading nazi conspiracy theories)

Please drop this far-right nonsense about NR, they're *far* from it. Whilst the NFP literally has a alliance with communists, and their supporters are torching Paris because they won?

@@eeroraute281 Even if that is true, which I am not fully ceding that point to you, France has experienced directly the the horrors of Far Right governments in the 1900s, where there they blame minority groups to be the cause of their problems instead of internal structures, and it did not go well to say the least. So I believed the decision made by the court was justified.

@@eeroraute281 Whereas LFI's policies shows no indicator that they want to get rid of the capitalist system, which is why it very confusing to me why people would call them Far Left, unless they are trying equivocate both sides, which based on the facts doesn't make sense.

It *usually* does, unless by very rare circumstance a coalition must be formed like with the Lib Dems. Labour didn’t get a high vote share but got in immediately and got to work, pretty stable if anything else.

​@@sirgo0se97 Just because a party is in charge does not guarantee stability considering all the conservative infighting, and things like Trump and its not like coalitions means unstable governments or lack of law passes. There are no studies that say "PR makes less stability"

@@windwaker0rules no but there is a lot of debate around whether it is more or less stable than FPTP. Took me about 4 seconds to find an article by UK engage about pros and cons and in it it talked about weak coalition governments. I’m not citing that as my only source but that’s a common criticism of the system, and nothing is absolute yes. PR can result in stable govs and FPTP can result in infight’y govs like the Tories, but I’m just talking in a more general sense about the latter specifically. Typically things are smoother when the majority of seats in any body are held by one side. I mean just look at the Netherlands it took 7 months to reach a stable government.

@@sirgo0se97 Isn't it funny how we get stable governments when its "right wing" ones that rich people like. The most "stable" governments are fascist dictatorships, no one cares about chaos if its happening to poor people.

yeah, like their whole objective was to block the far right and they ended up first.

Because Popular Front and Ensemble worked together, they withdrew from constituencies where either of them placed third so their voters went to each other rather than National Rally. If you ask me that's kind of bullshit, it's not proportional representation in the slightest when the party with the most votes get the third most seats.

@@crazehsmile maybe I have this wrong but I thought that it wasn't possible to have more than 2 candidates in the second round? It shouldn't matter who came third because they have to drop out anyway, right?

@@aspuzling the top 2 with most votes go ahead and any candidate that got more than 12.5% of votes Imagine constituency where RN got 40, NFP 20 and Ensemble 15 In this case all three would go to 2nd round, but Macron and NFP worked together in which case Ensemble's candidate that got 15% would completely withdraw for th 2nd round, that's basically what happened in some constituencies in the 2nd round

⁠@@crazehsmileMacron did not work with the NFP as far as I know. He has nothing to do with the alliance.

@@crazehsmile ah ok, I didn't realise that, thanks. I think the answer to my question is simply that RN candidates won by a higher margin in their respective constituencies than was strictly necessary to win the seat. Election maths is weird.

Blame the game, not the players. Even Europe needs electoral reforms, despite the situation being much better than in the US.

@@matejlieskovsky9625blame the players and the game. Players that collude with each other to undermine the game and find loopholes within ruin it for the rest of the players

@@Peter-xx6tz what do you expect? Parties not acting optimally? Feel free to blame them for not improving the system, but it is really hard to say that what happened is not the intended way the current system should work. Frankly, I see two kinds of people complaining about parties cooperating - people from FPTP countries and voters of parties that are too extreme to join coalitions.

@@matejlieskovsky9625 you can't reasonably say that the system is acting as it should. If France exists in a democratic system, and the purpose of a democratic system is to represent the people, then the system has failed to to that. It has not, however, been "intended" for this to happen. When they were creating the fifth republic, I have doubt they intended for the largest party to gain the least seats of all the large parties. Ensemble had lost the election anyways, and decided to collude with the nfp to prevent nr from winning. Therefore, both the players, specifically ensemble, and the game, specifically the 2 round fptp system, have caused this. No French election has ever been this unfair, atleast in the fifth republic, and rarely has this level of collusion been seen between two politically opposing parties. Ensemble had a choice to let the right party win (since they had lost anyways) but didn't.

@@Peter-xx6tz The french system was not designed to give proportional representation. So yes, I believe that the system is working as intended. RN might be the largest party, but pretty much everyone else hates them, making them lose the runoff. Would you prefer a pure FPTP like in the UK, handing 2/3 of the parliament to a party that got 1/3 of the votes?

New anticapitalist left. The French communist party has moderated itself in the last few decades, so more extreme anarcho-communist parties exist, though very small

@@Abotekapio the entirety of commusist or socialist movement is fundamentally anticapitalist, what are you even on about?

@@milan045 Some are revolutionary while other seek for gradual and democratic change

@@Abotekapio okay, that does not distinguish how far left on an imaginary scale they are tho, saying more left than communist just means nothing. Absolutely. Nothing. :)

@@milan045 It's the same difference between the central left and the far left. Communist in France are reformist and want to change the system from the inside (that implies keeping it in some form), just like LFI is. Not so anticapitalist, leaning more towards socialism. Far left is revolutionary and participates in elections not to access to power, but to represent people's voices. The whole anarchist movement existing in France is barely seen on the political spectrum during elections

Because lack of majority and rather weak coalitions could break down in the next couple years resulting in very poor ability of the functioning of the National Assembly. Assuming the RN doesn't "take power" through alliances they can use the potential poor running "by the Center + Left" alliance as failings of ideology. People are already pressured to try alternative paths to solve the problems they're currently facing. If these problems aren't solved by next election people may become more radicalized and try even more drastic shifts. If the Left and Center form an alliance and do poorly, I find it quite likely the RN will win the next election assuming something more radical doesn't come around.

@@c-simile1632 I hope it doesn't come to that. I'm mainly hoping for the center-left alliance to find good enough coalitions with parties on at the very least JUST the governance they both agree on. Functioning of the country will be alright, but like you said it is possible the next votes will lean more extremely AGAIN either way.

@@NexusSpaceyits pretty bad from a European democratic perspective. The biggest party by vote share ended up coming last among the other big parties because of, what can effectively be described as, collusion to subvert popular demand. Compared to the American or British system, this is great. Compared to say the Netherlands or Belgium? Its terrible

Those muslims on mayotte voted for them because of illegal immigration from africa

the Uk and France are 6th and 7th respectively

I think you meant 5

@@xeradse Oh, yeah, my bad.

the republicans won the popular vote? huh

That is misleading. A lot of Ensemble and NFP candidates who received a substantial amount of votes in the first round withdrew to allow a Ensemble, NFP or LR candidate with more votes than them to win. Around 70% of left wing voters whose candidate retired switched their vote to the non RN candidate, and that is also the case for around 50% of centrists and rightists. This was a Democracy Vs RN election, and democracy won by a clear majority

@@gabi10cg see it's democracy is when my team wins. 🙃

⁠@@TopShot501stwhether it was democracy vs RN matters less than if it was perceived as such. Many people voted just to make sure RN wouldn’t win, many people did so because they feel RN would harm democracy. In that respect it was democracy vs RN

Cry

It's not really subverting democracy unless you are thinking each voter only wants exactly their party to win. Priority #1 for most French voters was to keep the right-wing out of power, so they voted accordingly. For example, if the centrist candidate withdraws, Centre voters have the opportunity to vote left or right based on who they think is better. They don't like the right, so they vote left.

@@fra604 Cry? If you are anti-RN, this elections results are bad news. Now the party can’t be blamed for the incoming chaos, and Marine Le Pen has no obstacles on her way for 2027. The best outcome for those who oppose Le Pen would have been that Bardella becomes pm without any absolute majority, making him useless and having the French public opinion hate the RN before 2027.

@@fra604 "I am okay with disrespecting democracy when it benefits me" says a lot about your character

​@@simonteesdale9752 You are assuming that the 6M centrists who voted for Macron's alliance are all in favour of Melenchon's alliance over Le Pen's, which is plain false. Many centrists want just that, a centrist party. The backlash from the initial RN victory in the first round was too great and swung the pendulum the other way. It was another miscalculation from Macron.

they are not very educated, most of people dont even vote and their democracy is barely democratic

Claudia Webbe

@@luke8958 I thought I'd ignore little miss acid attack.

@@BradTheThird that statement was found to be untrue by the crown prosecution service but ok

What do you base your prediction on?

@@milan045 I'm going to assume he views it as: If the Center+Left coalition doesn't work together as well as a single party would and faces deadlock, then their administration will be effectively slower and less responsive and will get less done. Many people wont attribute that to their lack of majority, but rather as a failing of the party and ideologies in power at the time. The RN can use this as ammunition to claim the Center and Far Left aren't fit to rule or are incapable of finding solutions to the issues currently facing France and the World. People will likely either be influenced or swayed by this stance, and in the next election will be less likely/willing to vote for Center or Far Left parties. If the issues facing France and the world aren't solved by the next election people will be more likely/willing to try something new and perhaps more radical. In tandem these two shifts will likely result in a RN majority. The latter of those shifts is similar to what is happening to the rest of Europe. International financial hardships and the consequences of Covid/inflation/recessions aren't being viewed as an international concern, but rather a failing of the acting powers. People want these problems to be resolved and since the acting powers haven't been able to make things better than they were in living memory people are moving toward more radical ideas in an attempt to find solutions. In the perception of a "Center + Far Left Ruling Coalition" being unable to solve these problems, what other "solution" or path could a French Voter see for the next election?

Centricide jgeg

@@Hiljaa_ Jr. Egg was right all along. Crazy stuff.

Vote wise, RN did get first place (37% of the vote, I believe). But that was spread throughout multiple different districts meaning they didn't receive the representatives they should have.

It’ll work, for a while. Then people will get really fed up of having to stop to fix up the road on a journey and come together to collectively agree that one person is in charge of having the roads fixed, and everyone is going to chip in a little to pay them and pay for the work. Then people are going to get fed up of mowing the grass in municipal spaces so same deal for someone to oversee that. Eventually they will have thousands of these employees and some of them do a bad job so they want to hire someone who will oversee all of them. Except no one can agree if they hire the person who wants short grass and cheap but quick road fixes or the person who wants longer grass and expensive but long lasting road fixes. They come up with a fair system to decide who gets that job, and choose to limit it to 5 years, just in case they were wrong. We call the whole system… Molitics.

@@PippetWhippet so we need a road authroity not a government?

@@mrcat5992the point is, you would have a road authority and a park authority and a hospital authority and a cutting down dangerous trees authority and a footpath authority and a care home authority and a beach authority and a water authority and a gas authority and an electricity authority and a rivers authority and a fish stocks authority …. You get the point. Eventually it becomes worthwhile to employ a few people whose only job is to be in charge of everything, because, as I said, people are people and you will get someone in who’s terrible at it, or good but making unpopular decisions.

Most of the time the french version creates a stable goverment

I have this crazy idea, its called democracy, whoever gets the most votes wins.

But who cares about a stable government if it doesn’t represent the people? Radical example, a dictator could run a stable government by mere fact that his will is law and nobody else matters, but nobody wants a dictator to rule over them.

If you don't want representation then why not have an one-party state? Long standing dictatorships are more stable than most democracies and more efficient in implementing policies.

I want to stress for the comments again that I don't like First Past the Post. I think its one of the worst forms of democracy. I was just steelmanning the FPtP argument and even then, the French version fails. I've become so disillusioned with Democracy in general that I think the only good government would be a dictatorship with me in charge, but since that's never going to happen I must instead settle for the least terrible option.

So the RN is not far right.

@@MrBurnsExcellent : Well they actually are.

@@nouche What policies of RN are "far-right"?

@@viloinvictus : First, there has been an official classification made by the French Ministry of the Interior, which was then confirmed by the Council of State. NFP is made up of 4 parties from the “Left” block, with France Unbound being the most radical but still very much a left-wing party by all means. Their policies are all classic stuff from the left; you could even argue that President Mitterrand was even more on the left, nationalising all the banks etc. And yet he was merely from the Socialist Party. The left/right split is not immutable. And, yes, NFP does include Poutou’s party which is far-left but it is an incredibly small fraction of the alliance, so I believe it is safe to say NFP is *_NOT_* far-left. Even LFI is not an absolute majority within the alliance. - On the other hand, the National Rally (RN) was classified as far-right by that same source. The Council of State clearly writes RN as a party within the “Far-Right” block at the bottom of their table. Second possible source, there’s academic research in political science. The criteria for the far-left are quite simple: - Anticapitalism - Rejecting the institutions LFI wants reforms but not a revolution. They want to change the way the country works but do not want to remove current institutions. For the far-right, the academic criteria are as follows: - Nativism - Anti-democracy Nativism is quite simple to prove for RN: they consider that the French are “at home” and want to reject immigration. Whether that be based on race, ethnicity (of which only the latter really is a thing by the way), religion or nationality. Anti-democracy is… a bit more complicated. Obviously, I trust most RN members are not against the idea of elections and voting. Some fascist 20th century parties were against that, but probably not RN, at least in their public claims. However, would you say that a country where some portion of the population (say, Jews, as an example) is not allowed to vote or access certain positions is still a democracy? Most people would argue not. And that’s where it’s at: rejecting the fundamental rights which make up the democracy. So that’s the most important point, actually: rejecting part of the democracy which is fundamental legal rights. Principles such as equality, abortion, freedom of religion, fair trials in justice, and so on. There’s that general idea that there are some “parasites” both at the bottom of the social ladder (i.e. immigrants) and at the top (i.e. the elites). That criterion was also identified by scientific research. Now, for their policies, I think we’ve identified the important ones: - National preference - Kicking out criminal bi-nationals - Blocking bi-nationals from accessing certain positions These all go against the most fundamental and basic principles of equality. Last but not least, there’s also history, I guess. The National Front/FN (old name of the RN) was created a few years/decades after WW2, by two men, one of whom was a member of the SS… you know, Hitl3r’s military police. The party was created by a Nazi, that’s just a fact. And Jean-Marie Le Pen has taken multiple racist/antisemitic stances. I trust there must have been some evolution since, but it just isn’t a good look. So in the end, parties like LO and RN are extremes, but parties like PS (part of NFP) and LR are not.

@@nouche >an official classification made by the French Ministry of the Interior i.e. "The French government wants to fear monger people away from RN and have called it 'Far-Right'" >However, would you say that a country where some portion of the population is not allowed to vote or access certain positions is still a democracy? I would say it is not a democracy IF said law was targeting those living within the state *legally* . As the National Rally is proposing such laws against those residing within the state *illegally* (illegal immigrants), there is no issue there. So, no. They don't even fit both criteria for "far-right". >- National preference Wanting to focus on your own people instead of people migrating and taking residences and work from the native population is... le far-right??!!! >- Kicking out criminal bi-nationals Yeah, that's not far-right. That's just getting rid of criminals. >- Blocking bi-nationals from accessing certain positions Said "bi-nationals" being illegal migrants... so, again, not far-right. Just enforcing the laws that are on the books. >And Jean-Marie Le Pen has taken multiple racist/antisemitic stances. I trust there must have been some evolution since, but it just isn’t a good look. For one, Jean-Marie Le Pen isn't even leading the National Rally anymore, and his personal stances don't wholly represent those of the National Rally. Secondly, you are holding the National Rally to the ideas it has shed, as you have said "there must have been some evolution since". >So in the end, parties like LO and RN are extremes, but parties like PS (part of NFP) and LR are not. Again, this is literally the French government saying "The parties we like are not extreme, but the parties we dislike are extreme.". Socialism is inherently an extreme, you are *stealing* the property of one and giving it to the state to redistribute because others are less fortunate. Anyways, RN isn't "far-right". That's just a label given to it by the French government and the media to push people away from it because it threatens the status quo.

It screwed him, but it was great for the people

@@DUFFAL02 No it was not mass immigration is actually an important issue not just a right wing talking point and the left said they wouldn't mind increasing it.

Le Penn is the Putin fan. Quite vocally so.

He won't

@@col.hertford9855 that is a lie

@@ash_11117 not really, she’s been extremely complementary about Putin for years. Publicly she seems to have back peddled a bit, but it’s hardly convincing.

@@ash_11117 "I have a certain admiration for Vladimir Putin because he doesn't allow decisions to be forced upon him by other countries. I think he focuses first and foremost on what is good for Russia and the Russians. As such, I have the same respect for Putin that I do for Ms. Merkel." -Le Pen, as well as saying that she must be "pretty popular" to be re elected multiple times and that she would lift sanctions off of Russia if she could, she's also had 11m+ dollar loans from Russia for campaigning but she has denied that they effected it much.

He is not and definitely will never be. He is the most center right politician there is.

@@olivers.7821 He can't be that much because he basically joined with the leftists to stop the right.

was wondering what that would be, like super communism? mega? MAGA! Figured it out i think

Fully automated luxury gay space communism

@@FozzQuaker They are moderate, more reformist communists. There are anarcho-communists to the left of them

Anarcho primitivism? You go so hard on making everyone equal that you reject technology itself. Or maybe posadism. Welcome to the wacky ideologies that only 3 people unironically believe

Yeah I get the feeling this guy is more open to right-wing positions than left-wing

nuh uh

I quoted the article right on the page when I said that

@ibx2cat and besides, a Socialist party is most definitely "extreme". Taking property away from one who earned it (or even just inherited it) to "redistribute" sounds alot like theft.

Communism is not radical? Marx would be angry with you.

@@viloinvictus Why should a few families inherit all the wealth while the rest of the country is in poverty?

@@NemeczeK101 French PS is very centrist, not communist at all

if you think the left are gonne help the poor you havent been paying attention for the last 100 years

How are they voting against their interests?

@@kmerczerwony1739 Right wing poltics are always bad for the lower class. Cutting spending= less welfare/state support/infrastructure. Tax cuts for the rich= more of the same.

@@kmerczerwony1739 Right wing politics are always bad for the lower class. Less government spending= less assistance/welfare. Tax cuts for the rich= the same thing but with less income for the government as a whole.

@@JonBrownSherman You seem to be projecting your local (I assume, American) politics onto Europe. "Right--wing" isn't the same as "economically liberal". Poor people have genuine reasons to be concerned with migration and the state being unable to give them security. It's quite strange to assume that a group cannot have interests which go beyond improving their economic situation. And this is assuming economic policy that the RN is proposing (which is pro-market but quite far from ultraliberalism) will affect them negatively. E.g. tax cuts on fuel will definitely help reduce living costs for the poor. And, from a purely electoral standpoint, it's impossible that the antiestablishment left will rule. So people desperate for a change have to vote for the right.

Islamaphobia isn't real. They don't respect women/ non muslims safety. No place in a civilised society.

most smart centrist

@@nathanl4083 most smart uhh, uhh uhh.

smartest person trying to have political takes (they think the nazis were socialist)

people who think Nazis are socialists are the same people who think North Korea is a democracy

@@user-tp8pf5ke8o Nazis were indeed *economically* socialists. You lefties simply can't handle that fact.

Your dubious feelings of superiority will not stop their fundamentalism.

something something people getting fucked over by the government tend to vote for those against it

@@lamogio7938 They voted for RN because they actually have their own immigration problem(from Comoros). It’s not as much about race there, as it is about social status

They arent real fascists they are right populists your buying up the leftist propaganda

@@epiccrusadr8583 Hitler was a right wing populist

@@ProsecutorZekrom hitler was also a socialist in the tradition of the vanguadist