Ice Climbers are BROKEN with Items...

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I discovered this a while back, but I hadn’t really extensively tested it until this video, as I have, as I explained, basically zero experienced with these kids. I managed to learn some basics for the sake of this video, but I wonder just how crazy things can get.
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@Casual_PKBeats 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the growth as of recent! 12k subs already, my lord. Hope you enjoyed the video. Any questions about Ice Climbers and items?

@michaeldijoseph4000 5 жыл бұрын

Can you do the fire flower trick but have Popo walking and doing the ice attack while Nana uses the flower? If so, are there any cool combos from that?

@Casual_PKBeats 5 жыл бұрын

You could if you turned off A+B Smash attack, though in Ultimate the property that had fire attacks instantly unfreeze opponents is gone. It'd help wrack up damage, but it'd be hard to true followup from when they break out of the ice, I'd imagine

@worriedpikachu174 5 жыл бұрын

Nana has her own damage%, not displayed but stored separately from Popo's. You aren't seeing anything change with healing items but it should still have an effect. I'm really curious about the rage blaster too. My guess is when you set % in the training menu it sets both. So what happens if you damage just Popo and have Nana use it, or vice versa? What if only Popo is damaged and has over 100%, and Nana picks up the fairy in a bottle. Can you hold onto it and then throw it at yourself?

@Casual_PKBeats 5 жыл бұрын

@@worriedpikachu174 I tested this. I set their percent to 200 and had Nana consume 2 fairy bottles. And yeah! Popo used the rage blaster at full power, but Nana's was at its weakest. Very cool

@fallenstar6135 5 жыл бұрын

You can use the grab button to have the secondary ice climber pick up an item

@robertej09 5 жыл бұрын

"She doesn't seem too keen on killing herself." Wow that's a first.

@samsungrefrigeratorcondens4354 4 жыл бұрын

sooooo truuuueeeee! the AI on nana is so bad.

@thenerdyanarchist3492 4 жыл бұрын

That same limitation doesn’t matter to hero

@chispychisp1690 5 жыл бұрын

11:08 you are a legend my man

@roxas5071 3 жыл бұрын

This is my stand

@daughter-of-sappho 5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, but I think the iceies have two different percentages. The one you see on the bottom of the screen is the main icey's percent (popo's), but the secondary's (nana's) isn't shown. However, these percentages aren't always the same, which is why Nana and Popo sometimes get launched different distances. In training mode, the set percentage sets the percent for both iceies, so that's why rage blaster does full damage. Nana and Popo are both at 999%. But when Nana is healed, it only heals her, not Popo. And because Nana's percent isn't shown, it appears that nothing happens. Just thought I'd point that out, as not many people know about it.

@DisplayThisOkay 5 жыл бұрын

They've always had separate percentages. The parnter's percent is just not displayed. Also New to Ultimate the partner moves faster and takes slightly more knock back which is one of the reasons why they get launched different distances.

@WiltarrowMain 5 жыл бұрын

I believe Nana has a separate percentage from Popo. Could that be what the Rage Blaster is reading from?

@fishyweeb4820 5 жыл бұрын

You are correct. Nana has a separate, undisplayed percent, which is why it is important to focus Nana.

@ryanose3212 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Nana is important, too!

@crystallized2961 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Nana has different percent than Popo, the higher the percent, the more moves she can do herself. Means, if Nana is around 90%, she can do blizzard by herself

@ethan24343 5 жыл бұрын

They should really add a percent and health bar for luma and Nana

@crystallized2961 5 жыл бұрын

Ethan S no man, that'd be distracting + it kinda ruins the fun, it would separate them too much

@lucagacy 5 жыл бұрын

was really hoping that when Icies used a ditto the ditto would act as a third climber.

@SkippysBacon 4 жыл бұрын

That would have been amazing!

@greentheshinyumbreon1 4 жыл бұрын

i can see why they dont do that. it would be stupidly op

@idk72. 4 жыл бұрын

@@SkippysBacon imagine if ditto act as nana, like you summon ditto with mario and you control 2 marios

@samsungrefrigeratorcondens4354 4 жыл бұрын

what if it summoned both popo and nana, then there would be 4

@Slow_Biden 5 жыл бұрын

I can already see the next patch 3.2: Nana can no longer grab items

@johnboy5929 5 жыл бұрын

Oh no

@safehouse432 5 жыл бұрын

Literally the most broken non glitch/hack thing in the history of smash is paper fan ice climbers.

@yufaeliassecretoldaccount0862 5 жыл бұрын

So if I get a nana skin she can't grab it? Sorry, I'm totally confused 😉

@barringtona3859 4 жыл бұрын

Nah

@nintentwins1867 4 жыл бұрын

It aint a bug. Icies could do this in Melee and Brawl too. Why patch it?

@mengistiehailemariam1697 5 жыл бұрын

If this guy were to go into the competitive scene and study up like this, he would be top 15

@dagingerbreadman70 5 жыл бұрын

You obviously don’t play ice climbers...

@mengistiehailemariam1697 5 жыл бұрын

DJ GingerBread yep

@UberMarioRPG 5 жыл бұрын

lol

@chorizord6974 5 жыл бұрын

Lmao who plays a party game competitively

@buttery_gooch6 5 жыл бұрын

@@chorizord6974 buddy...smash is definitely one of the biggest fighting games of all time but yeah, who would ever play mario party competitively?

@Brio24 5 жыл бұрын

Something about nana and healing items, I learned that she has her own amount of percent, you can test this by looking at the rage smoke effect around them.

@AirventOS 5 жыл бұрын

What if nana had her own stocks and the flag gave her an extra life?

@chispychisp1690 5 жыл бұрын

DJDerpz *B R O K E N*

@ballisticboo7808 5 жыл бұрын

I remember doing this in Brawl’s Subspace Emissary, equipping one with a sword and one with a gun

@yufaeliassecretoldaccount0862 5 жыл бұрын

Four words: Paper fan ice climbers

@what_did_you_expect 4 жыл бұрын

Same

@greentheshinyumbreon1 4 жыл бұрын

@dj_ender_wolf dude, you dont want to fight me. i know ice climbers weskness and use it against them

@xcrackervolleyx 4 жыл бұрын

*"NO! THAT'S NOT HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PLAY THE GAME!"*

@Porter_Luigi 5 жыл бұрын

"Ice Climbers is a broken character, and they've been like that in every game they appeared in." Does that mean they were broken in their original game?

@Boooo 5 жыл бұрын

Have you ever played Ice Climber?

@popo-ou8ib 5 жыл бұрын

We really were sorta if you call garbage jump physics broken

@k-leb4671 4 жыл бұрын

Dude they were so broken in that game. By far the best playable characters. In fact, they were the only characters you could play and beat the game with. Geez Nintendo, let one of the other characters in Ice Climber be viable, why don't you?

@Serious5GamingS5G 4 жыл бұрын

Nah

@sethlast9024 5 жыл бұрын

I'm imagining Ice Climbers pulling off some 0-death against Diddy, Krool, or Peach lol

@adrianreyes4331 4 жыл бұрын

Or Link I'm scared

@hairyspider151 Жыл бұрын

I tried with the banana and it's so easy lmao. While landing, hit "A" for [throw](nair catch), land with another "A" for [jab](throw), and before the end of jab hit "Side B" for (squall). Then just drag them over to the ledge and grab -> [fthrow](fair) (hold shorthop arial and hit the stick towards ledge at the end of squall).

@pompkons2809 5 жыл бұрын

6:54 *"She dosen't seem too keen on killing herself."*

@rumple7473 5 жыл бұрын

I liked this video cause it was informative, and I was surprised cause your voice is appealing and this video was pretty funny.

@voidlayern9368 4 жыл бұрын

11:14 NANI! This must be the work of an 「ENEMY : STAND」 !

@JustCrazyDK 5 жыл бұрын

I LOVE Ice Climbers with Items! I wanted to make items work with them, but just couldn't. Never did learn how to desync them.

@MakeVarahHappen 5 жыл бұрын

It seems like Nana using the Rage Blaster isn't about Popo's percent, but the fact that Nana has her own hidden percent that was also set to 999% in training mode. I say this because the Fairy Bottle only worked on her, which would only happen if she was also above 100%.

@Kelsang01 5 жыл бұрын

I thought this was an interesting topic too and I’m glad you made a video on it. (That last combo was absolutely gorgeous)

@hopechr 5 жыл бұрын

7:54 *nana has a seizure! not clickbait!*

@giraffedragon6110 4 жыл бұрын

The shenanigans you can get into with ice climbers is why I love them so much

@kieranmaxson5269 4 жыл бұрын

A few things to note: 1. Nana is the only controllable character in the game that can freely pass through other characters. This is to make sure she can get back to Popo if they are separated on stage. 2. When it looks like the healing items aren’t doing anything, they actually are. Nana has her own invisible damage percent that determines how much knockback she takes. 3. “Nana doesn’t seem so keen on killing herself”. I’m not sure if this was a joke or if you really meant it. Nana AI is so frustrating when trying to recover to the stage and she just kills herself, therefore killing you. Also, thanks for the ideas in the vid. I’ll be sure to try them out.

@KermitTh3Fr0g 5 жыл бұрын

This is actually a great video, keep it up!

@Oretal 5 жыл бұрын

1:32 Hey thank you for clarifying, we need more videos to do that. I’ve seen videos where they use the alt where Nana in the primary and use the term Popo for the main Climber and it’s so confusing.

@Avabees 4 жыл бұрын

Oh my god this is your best video by far. I wish i watched it when it came out!

@sey_81 5 жыл бұрын

That looked a bit wrong at 3:45 Let's just hope they're not siblings

@TheCreeperBoss101 5 жыл бұрын

Better question, how old are they?

@TheCreeperBoss101 5 жыл бұрын

@II Dark Stars II you underestimate my amount of *UNO +4 CARDS!* I also change the color to blue.

@mr.krustykrust 4 жыл бұрын

You’re the best brother I could have ever asked for

@inkorporeal204 4 жыл бұрын

@@mr.krustykrust N O

@Georgie_Denbrough 4 жыл бұрын

@@inkorporeal204 YES

@enviableace9987 5 жыл бұрын

This video is fascinating, as all your videos are pk beats, keep up the amazing work

@hihigocat 5 жыл бұрын

11:16 IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE?!?

@josephgalo7189 5 жыл бұрын

STANDO POWER

@Wet_ 4 жыл бұрын

ORA ORA

@LRXC1 5 жыл бұрын

DO MORE ONLINE SMASH WITH ITEMS PLEASE. That was sooooo entertaining to watch

@saver_spenta_mainyu 5 жыл бұрын

GimR ferociously takes notes. 11:04 Oh God, crate on crate action! Ahahaha!

@fishyweeb4820 5 жыл бұрын

Tbh, there is some technical play with items that you could do in competitive play. Just imagine using banana with Nana to start a 0-death.

@piletpig124 5 жыл бұрын

Thank god your a person that shows the gameplay right away. Your not a KZfaqr that talks for like 6 minuets straight and then shows the gameplay

@answer8006 5 жыл бұрын

This is some great info. Thanks!

@goldencheeze 5 жыл бұрын

11:17 「SUPERFLY」

@krieghound3931 4 жыл бұрын

Nani! Stando!

@josepoktovianus5866 3 жыл бұрын

ITS AN ENEMY STAND

@deletthis64 5 жыл бұрын

You can also pick up any item as nana by going to it (you don’t need to face backwards) wiffing a grab and while in end lag press a, popo will be unable to grab it an nana will

@xan8636 5 жыл бұрын

1:12 haha nice

@schmetris1306 5 жыл бұрын

You never cease to amaze.

@ShinxBOOM247 5 жыл бұрын

9:28 that makes sense due to how their percents work. You see, Popo and Nana have their own separate percents, with Nana's being invisible to the player. So if Nana picks up a healing item, then it will only heal her percentage, and vice versa for Popo grabbing it.

@chasejohnson3626 5 жыл бұрын

2:45 Remind me to never play pk beats with items on

@ILiekFishes 5 жыл бұрын

If he ever goes on elite smash and finds Alpharad... oh dear hes in for a surprise

@oledakaajel 5 жыл бұрын

12:34

@yufaeliassecretoldaccount0862 5 жыл бұрын

Idea: Both ice climbers grab a ditto pokeball. Will that work or..?

@youeverjustdie 5 жыл бұрын

In case anyone is curious on how Nana instantly grabs an z-dropped item from Popo, I’m pretty sure it’s Nana using the grab input right after Popo’s z-drop to pick up the item in the air, but with all characters, grabbing items in the air without airdodging can only be done while rising, not falling (like how R.O.B. does with his Gyro). Since Nana is the only character can air-grab items while falling, it’s probably an intended mechanic

@TheConstructive 5 жыл бұрын

Was hoping for a bit more on practicality in matches as I've labbed this a bit. Anyway. When holding an item (Pac fruit, Diddy banana, etc), you can get a free neutral desync out of throwing the item due to the difference in endlag between, say, fair + item throw or fsmash + item throw. The climber that will get the first action after desyncing will be the one initially holding the item.

@NotIMPOSSABLANK 5 жыл бұрын

can't wait to see this used in tournament

@crystallized2961 5 жыл бұрын

Always nice to see Ganondorf getting rekt

@blurbyglurb 5 жыл бұрын

stand name: tower of babel stand user: PKBeats stand stats: power: B speed: E range: A vitality: B precision: E potential: B

@Smokin_Snowman 5 жыл бұрын

That song in the Ness video reminds me of something that would have played in Pokemon XD.

@Sublucidus 5 жыл бұрын

Scary stuff, now I fear the ice climbers even more

@miletilblight2181 5 жыл бұрын

11:19 WAS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE

@xephia4258 5 жыл бұрын

That bullet bill one was cool

@nice.3905 4 жыл бұрын

1:12 *N I C E*

@rinbin4234 5 жыл бұрын

*sees PKbeats* Me: exclamation, we must repeat the action

@sebrina7417 4 жыл бұрын

0:19 "they have been in every game they have appeared in" well that is how it works

@Ardenzard 5 жыл бұрын

Yo this video is so lit

@mouseonthestreets8675 5 жыл бұрын

Never realized how interesting of characters these two are

@vortex8988 5 жыл бұрын

Beefy Smash Dudes meet casual smash

@Moss_Dude 4 жыл бұрын

11:09 wait. Have a ditto pick up a third rolling crate.

@joesutherland672 4 жыл бұрын

I like the damage percentages throughout the video

@snorIaxatives 5 жыл бұрын

What in thy holy ness?

@honord.1811 3 жыл бұрын

10:41: PKBeats turned into Introspective

@Slow_Biden 5 жыл бұрын

People are lucky they took out the fan item after brawl, ICs had a literal infinite jab with double fans, I would spank people to 300%+ and keep them locked inside

@yellowlemonPenguin 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao spank

@k-leb4671 4 жыл бұрын

That was such a fun item. Springs too.

@CodyTheBlackChickenSubscribe 5 жыл бұрын

9:58 wow nice fangame music

@wario1226 5 жыл бұрын

If buffed diddy's becomes meta again, I'd love to see ICs banana combos

@mariobario6873 2 жыл бұрын

You said you were not that skilled with them but you looked pretty good with the combos

@PastelPiku 3 жыл бұрын

I'd guess that the Special Flag was quickly found in testing causing problems because Nana herself does not have a stock count; she can only respawn with Popo. This is not a problem with the Bomber or any other item. If this were the case, it may have just felt unnecessary to give Nana the explicit ability to restore their teammate's stock rather than their own.

@TightSweaters4 4 жыл бұрын

I'm picking them up now thanks.

@webturd7145 2 жыл бұрын

If you press A+B and shield button at the same time but hold A+B nana will do a desync smash attack really quick. You can desync in like half a second.

@andypang1677 4 жыл бұрын

Nana and popo have individual health. So this means that when nana is healed, she will take less knock back due to her reduced percent. This is why I think it should show both of their percents

@jackconcordia611 4 жыл бұрын

Remind me to *NEVER* play against you with items on

@SkippysBacon 4 жыл бұрын

So many wonderful things are possible! Not at all easy, but possible.

@natesarlls2465 5 жыл бұрын

The reason most healing items don’t affect the main IC’s % when used on/by the secondary IC is because both ICs have an individual percentage. (i.e. Nana can have 100% while popo only has 2%) not sure why the healing sprout affects both tho

@myfirstnamemylastname1244 5 жыл бұрын

There are also ridiculous tanuki leaf combos, so you should do that

@Photon210 4 жыл бұрын

Ice Climbers are C-tier *An Item spawns* S-TIER! I MEAN S-TIER!

@adrianreyes4331 4 жыл бұрын

Once I was playing with a friend in arena, first we played baseball in smash and then we tried to play the normal way, but we forgot to turn items off, I chose random character and got the Ice climbers, and my gameplay was destructive with a double beast ball throw

@ArtemiyBerezhnoy 5 жыл бұрын

the new form of wobbling

@ismtud1364 5 жыл бұрын

The ice climbers with the pitfall is the scariest of all, it's literally an instant spike

@nishigahara8617 5 жыл бұрын

Get them to equip 2 super scopes and spam “A” and rack some combos.

@jacksont94 5 жыл бұрын

You can also just press the actual grab button (r) on the item for nana to grab it

@ohhihgjordan5425 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@Veganphobic 4 жыл бұрын

I never knew this about ice climbers I don’t see them often online It’s funny that everyone picks the same characters I use Pac-Man and hardly see him

@canthony4623 4 жыл бұрын

You know that nana has her own percent? That is why food doesnt affect popo when she eats it. And she count as player one, so the setting player one percent to 999 will set her hidden percent too.

@thenerdyanarchist3492 4 жыл бұрын

Nana actually has her own percent and I believe that it changed to higher percent with Popo when you changed the setting in training mode and it effected the rage blaster, this is also why nana healing did nothing to popo

@Lujeca 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe a collab with Mr Danish?

@sciya5775 5 жыл бұрын

U sound like introspective but smarter 😂

@relaxation_and_tax_evasion 5 жыл бұрын

Luigi Power 64 ..........

@michaelporrello4018 5 жыл бұрын

Nanna has her own health it just isn’t displayed so she is healing it just doesn’t show you can use the steam the characters emit to somewhat figure out where her percent is at

@greentheshinyumbreon1 4 жыл бұрын

nana has her own % damage counter that cannot be seen but can be affected. i use this knowledge against every ice climber main to target nana and popo

@HelixAdamOxford 5 жыл бұрын

remind me to not let anybody play ics against me with itema

@nivdy 5 жыл бұрын

IC would really only get item combos off of characters who use items, so I don't think this will be used until we are much further into ultimate. As is, Ice Climber Combos are much harder than any other game, and I'm expecting this to take a while.

@TeyvatMagicianLyney 3 жыл бұрын

I rememberes when I was playing the Ice Climbers in Brawl (Substance), I (Popo) got frozen from oneof the enemy's, and Nana walked away from me and taunted. I was laughing and crying🤣

@gracefulcharity8412 5 жыл бұрын

Brooooke. Whaaaat

@Es97Coqui 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, that’s cool

@deathpie24 5 жыл бұрын

Back in Brawl if they both had fans it would be game over for you, worse than wobbling because it's more annoying

@PulseAnimations878 5 жыл бұрын

So if nana has warp you just turn into a beacon showing where to fire

@axelfoley5265 5 жыл бұрын

11:56 also Diddy Kongs Banana

@benjaminnewell5214 4 жыл бұрын

i see those percent numbers you can't fool me. THAT is the weed number.

@waterboy126 4 жыл бұрын

They are the item gods

@swoledoge553 4 жыл бұрын

11:15 STANDO POWEEEER

@TheZoinkster 5 жыл бұрын

Ice climbers are now S tier in casual item play

@sethlast9024 5 жыл бұрын

SS I for broken characters like Brawl Meta Knight & Sm4sh Bayonetta. Iceies would be in SS

@thelife827 4 жыл бұрын

You can press the grab button twice in order to get nana to hold an item as well

@bruhboss3141 4 жыл бұрын

nana back shield plus popo franklin badge at the same time

@Liggliluff 4 жыл бұрын

I guess the best solution is to nerf Ice Climbers further by having the follower not being able to pick up items

@JB-ng1mg 5 жыл бұрын

Now I really wish my Wii worked properly, then I could test stuff with them and items myself

@ptato3010 5 жыл бұрын

On brawl? This is ultimate...

@JB-ng1mg 5 жыл бұрын

Yes i meant on brawl I know this is ultimate which i don't have

@ptato3010 5 жыл бұрын

@@JB-ng1mg oh ok