The Slow Death Of The GTX 690

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Iceberg Tech

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Testing the nVidia Geforce GTX 690 SLI graphics card in old and new games.
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2012 was a weird time for PCs. The current trend among power users and rich enthusiasts was multi-GPUs; combining the power of several graphics cards linked across SLI or Crossfire. Because corporations don't quite know when to stop, there was a brief trend for single graphics cards with multiple GPUs onboard.
The last generation of these cards from Team Green were based on the Kepler architecture; those cards, including the GTX 690 featured here, are now left in the awkward position of having an architecure that is oncompatible with many new games, and relying on a now-defunct multi-GPU gimmick.
In this video I'll chart the GTX 690's descent from flagship powerhouse to borderline irrelevance, using games from 2011 through to the present day.
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00:00 SLIde Away: The Slow Death Of The GTX 690
01:15 Background: History of the GTX 690
03:16 Test System: Ryzen 5 5600G, 16GB DDR4-3600, GTX 690
03:43 The Good Times: perfect SLI scaling & performance
09:59 Cracks Start To Show: flaws in the architecture
13:08 Things Fall Apart: the death of SLI support
17:05 ... and that's just the games that worked
17:44 Context: the HD 7970 and GTX 980
19:44 Conclusion: Lessons from the GTX 690
A D S
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@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
Okay, some footnotes: I lost my voice while recording the VO, but there were a few things I wanted to add or change that I couldn’t record in time. *4 & 6 way SLI:* Craft Computing, the example I included in the footage, used the 3x GTX 690s as part of a cloud gaming server. Other valid use cases for 4-way and 6-way SLI include triple monitor 3D Vision Surround setups. When I said that it was “just a flex”, I speak from the perspective of someone who doesn’t need to run large numbers of VMs, and had also never considered triple monitor surround gaming setups as anything but an ostentatious display of wealth. *Single GPU vs. Dual GPU:* When comparing the single GK104 vs dual, I applied a small OC to the single chip setup. This was to more accurately reflect the experience of someone who had “only” bought a single GTX 680. I’d have gone higher, but my card couldn’t handle more than about 75MHz! *Drivers:* Although I’m talking about the history of a GPU from 2011 and the games it would have been played on at the time, I am using it in a modern system running Windows 10, and with 474.04 drivers (Nov 2022 security update, the latest available for Kepler). I could have used period-appropriate drivers and hardware to more accurately reflect the conditions of the times games were released, but my schedule didn’t allow it. Sorry! *Skyrim:* I said in the script that I didn’t see any of the physics glitches I’d heard about from using the game > 60FPS. I *should* have said that the only obvious glitches I could see were the weirdly fast hand movements and the flickering, *and that* this might have been caused by running the game above its intended frame rate, and was probably *not* related to SLI. I kinda said it with the on-screen text, but I wanted to be a bit more clear about it. *Doom:* I included some footage of Doom 2016 but ended up deleting the associated VO as it didn’t fit the flow of the narrative, and I feel the footage might need some further explanation. Doom 2016 was remarked on at the time as running worse on high end Kepler than on entry level GCN cards, and that still seems to be true 6 years later. I couldn’t get the game to run in OpenGL at all, but in Vulkan it varied between 20 and 40 FPS at 1080 Low. It also didn’t use the second GPU, even with adjustments made in nVidia Control Panel and nVidia Profile Inspector. *Fortnite:* At the last minute, I went back and retested Fortnite in SLI, because I’d seen someone else’s results that were very different from mine. Despite multiple attempts with different AFR modes and profiles, I still saw this massive performance regression in DX11, and DX12 didn’t acknowledge the second GPU at all. Performance Beta, meanwhile, performed very well, but soon found itself running above 200 FPS. At this point, CPU performance would be the limiting factor. *Asynchronous compute:* There was something of an uproar some years ago when AMD accused nVidia of “not even having async compute” in Maxwell, a feature which nVidia apparently *did* include a variety of as far back as GTX 780 and Titan. I don’t intend to drag up an old Red vs. Blue argument, but in the case of the HD 7970 it is a fact that async compute was something the AMD card had that the GTX 680/690 didn’t.
@theburger_king
@theburger_king Жыл бұрын
I can’t read that much lol
@thcriticalthinker4025
@thcriticalthinker4025 Жыл бұрын
So regarding 6 way SLI SLI maxes out at 4 gpu's, as there is no bridge configuration for any higher configs. This doesn't stop you from slapping 30 cards in a rig and using them for other purposes
@walrusman151
@walrusman151 Жыл бұрын
Anybody who knows enough on a topic to leave a whole book of information as a footnote is pretty impressive
@nepnep6894
@nepnep6894 Жыл бұрын
Async compute for any nvidia card pre turing was achieved through rapidly context switching so it didn't really net performance improvements, but only really helped compatibility
@CertifiedAsher
@CertifiedAsher Жыл бұрын
Hello, cool relaxing videos explaining so well about GPU's, CPU's, anyway, can you do a video about the Nvidia Quadro k4200?
@terzaputra3203
@terzaputra3203 Жыл бұрын
I Have a friend who's struggling so hard to sell his old 690 few months ago. Besides unsupported drivers, and broken SLI support, the main problem was it's power consumption. It competes with the likes of 1050 TI at the same price range of 80-100 USD which is like 3-4 times more power efficient. At that price, people would choose more efficient cards rather than glorified heater. He ended up making a nice glass case for it and decorate his walls with it.
@misiekt.1859
@misiekt.1859 Жыл бұрын
For 100 you can get RX 5600xt, which is around 1070ti. Even 5500 xt is 2x faster than 1050ti and often below 100.
@HolographicSkux
@HolographicSkux Жыл бұрын
The 690 will produce a higher frame rate compared to the 1050tI but it is essentially a 680 at this stage. Glad I got rid of my 690 years ago but it was cool while I had it.
@diewindows5628
@diewindows5628 Жыл бұрын
its just a collectors item at this point, like most of the dual gpu cards from this era. the 2gb of vram per card made it end up aging somewhat poorly so really there's just no space for this thing as a serious card
@jimtekkit
@jimtekkit Жыл бұрын
Yeah power efficiency of today's cards are a big reason to buy new. Right now I'm on an RX570 and it consumes twice the power of my RX6600 while only giving about 60% the performance. And you can definitely notice the additional heat output while it's loaded up. It's a similar story on the Nvidia side as well.
@crazeguy26
@crazeguy26 Жыл бұрын
I love my GTS450 zoom zoom!
@ALmaN11223344
@ALmaN11223344 Жыл бұрын
This was back in the era where I had a GTX 460 SLI and helped a friend build a 9800 GTX SLI because they were $40 each on Amazon...oh, how the times have changed
@raginginferno868
@raginginferno868 Жыл бұрын
you cant even get a gt 1030 for $40 nowadays and that card sucks ass
@ALmaN11223344
@ALmaN11223344 Жыл бұрын
@@raginginferno868 Right? It's crazy.
@prateekpanwar646
@prateekpanwar646 Жыл бұрын
@@raginginferno868There’s no sensible gpu a kid could throw in his school gaming pc and play some latest games at low settings. Market has huge gap, Companies can just sell older models like GTX 1060 which is made on older wafers thus cheaper.
@raginginferno868
@raginginferno868 Жыл бұрын
@@prateekpanwar646 What? Your comment is completely irrelevant to what I said. I just made a comparison that GPU prices are going up every new generation. And, there are a few GPUs that are not too expensive, can fit a tight budget, and still offer 60 FPS on medium settings.
@BoleDaPole
@BoleDaPole Жыл бұрын
Nvidia found out what other gaming companies learned long ago: Gamers are easy to fleece and they're willing to pay whatever it takes.
@mrfahrenheit8138
@mrfahrenheit8138 Жыл бұрын
Officially addicted to this channel
@mrmcguru163
@mrmcguru163 11 ай бұрын
Same it’s great!
@cerealeat
@cerealeat 10 ай бұрын
Same
@wobb_
@wobb_ 4 ай бұрын
Meth is better
@nicknorthcutt7680
@nicknorthcutt7680 4 ай бұрын
Same here
@scurbdubdub2555
@scurbdubdub2555 Жыл бұрын
I’ve owned a 690 before, it wasn’t that bad of a card for what I played. I eventually put it in another system though and sold it. I liked the card, it was interesting, but it was aging. I’m now on a even more interesting card, the Radeon VII. I really enjoy using the card. It surprisingly aged well considering how it was hammered at the time. At 1440p high-max settings it can play everything just about.
@EbonySaints
@EbonySaints Жыл бұрын
Hold on to that Radeon VII for dear life. They and the Vega series supposedly got massacred in the mining boom (according to Actually Hardcore Overclocking) thanks to the HBM being incredibly valuable for mining. You might be one of the few lucky holders of a working model. Should have got it before the price boom when they were at $500. And about interesting GPUs. I can understand, though Arc seems way more frustrating than interesting to me right now. 😅
@Saved_Sinner0085
@Saved_Sinner0085 Жыл бұрын
Radeon VII is still a good 1440p card, bonus for lower heat bills in the winter. Lol it's not nearly as bad as Vega 64 due to the die shrink.
@theboostedbubba6432
@theboostedbubba6432 Жыл бұрын
Still rocking a 1080 Ti. Both great cards that still shred 1080p and are great for 1440p. Enjoy it.
@Saved_Sinner0085
@Saved_Sinner0085 Жыл бұрын
@@theboostedbubba6432 yup, I got a 1070. My display is 1080p 144Hz and the 1070 still runs everything on high with 60+ fps.
@theboostedbubba6432
@theboostedbubba6432 Жыл бұрын
@@Saved_Sinner0085 GTX 1070 still provides a great 1080p experience and you can find them for $115-120 which is great performance for the price. The 10 series was fantastic.
@ThinkAboutVic
@ThinkAboutVic Жыл бұрын
i love the sudden transition from "foreshadowing is a narrative device-" to the gunshot intro lmao
@watercannonscollaboration2281
@watercannonscollaboration2281 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always found this card to be really cool despite the practicality or lack thereof. Dual GPU cards just seems novel from the perspective of someone who didn’t understand computers from that time
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
The smarter move was buying a GTX670 immediately, a fairly great mid range card lasting 2 years at high settings, and adding a 2nd for pennies later on. My friend built a dual GTX670 machine just weeks after the cards came out, and he didn't have to upgrade for pretty close to 4 years. As he usually builds an entirely new machine from scratch every 2.5 - 3 years, he was very happy. His brother, who always inherited the old machine come upgrade time, was sad.
@gg2324
@gg2324 Жыл бұрын
But you would need a sli compatible Z series motherboard and a fairly powerful psu too
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
@@gg2324 Sure you would need a fairly decent mid range motherboard, in the region of £80-£100, but for someone dropping £350 on two GTX670's or a single GTX690, I'd expect that they would be spending AT LEAST £100 on a motherboard, possibly even going for an overspecced £150 board. People who spend £350-£400 on a GPU don't spend £50 on a board, £50 on a GPU and £50 on RAM to complete the system, after all! (Unless they're crazy....).
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
@@randomguydoes2901 Mature GCN was a good buy. Most ATI cards are a good buy because of the lognevity and prolonged driver support. 7970, 7970 Ghz and 280X were amazing buys. At the end of it's shelf life, the 280X cost £160. At that time, Nvidia launched the GTX960 at £220. Almost double the price. But the R9 280X beat the GTX960 by 10-30%, depending on the game. Obviously Nvidia had to drop the price of the GTX960 here in the UK, in the first week. 980Ti and 1080Ti - both great cards. Easily 2-3 year cards. Questionable with the 1080Ti, given it was almost doubled in price shortly after launch during the crypto rush. But if you got one early enough, despite the high price at launch, the card defninitely had legs! HD4770, GTX 750Ti and Geforce 6600GT are the best cards ever released, however.
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
@Crenshaw Pete No shit Sherlock! Technology has IMPROVED over TIME! What a fucking bombshell! Any more pearls of wisdom to impart?
@oceanbytez847
@oceanbytez847 Жыл бұрын
you'd be suprised. I've saved at least one awful build like that this year. Client was trying to get next gen performance on a budget and made cuts across the board except on the GPU. fortunately, it still ran pretty well, but he cut prices so severely he screwed himself out of an easy upgrade and instead would have to total rebuild when a slightly better board might have supported the following gen and allowed that upgrade. foolish mistake, but it happens now. I think part of it is the fact that computers have massively increased in price now compared to 10 years ago.
@RodimusPrime29
@RodimusPrime29 Жыл бұрын
Seeing these older gpu's "kinda" running current games I hope gives some hope to those who can't upgrade & running budget builds now. Keeping up with the Joneses isn't viable for most people. Keep the great vids coming!
@markm0000
@markm0000 Жыл бұрын
I am completely out of all of this and just play emulators and old games. If friends want to play a game together we just visit and play split screen.
@jeremyocampo1529
@jeremyocampo1529 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised how great put together this video is for such a small tech youtube channel. Well done!
@Djbz170
@Djbz170 Жыл бұрын
I used to have a titan Z watercooled and bios hacked overclocked to 1370mhz. it did very well at 1440p games I only recently upgraded to a 3090 when they launched in 2020. this video brought back alot of memories with my titan Z constant issues with SLI. Most of the time I just ran 1 GPU to eliminate crashing,stuttering and low frame times.
@NOM4D20
@NOM4D20 Жыл бұрын
Very good video, really detailed, and enjoyable. Keep up the good work
@zephyr4494
@zephyr4494 5 ай бұрын
"Foreshadowing is a narrative device-" jad me dying
@Saved_Sinner0085
@Saved_Sinner0085 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, only a 300 watt TDP? That's on the low end of the high end now. There are also CPU's pulling close to that now.
@kinkykane0607
@kinkykane0607 Жыл бұрын
300 Watts was considered ludicrous back in the day including the fact that it cost £1000. I remembered it being quite controversial at the time to spend that much on a graphics card and how much Watts it consumed.
@Saved_Sinner0085
@Saved_Sinner0085 Жыл бұрын
@@kinkykane0607 I remember full and well, I've been a PC gamer since before GPU's needed a 4-pin molex connector for extra power, way before PCI-e was even a thing. I remember people getting worried about the extra power consumption on the Geforce 6800 Ultra back in the day.
@SaberSlayer88
@SaberSlayer88 Жыл бұрын
god what an excellent video, well done. i was shocked to see this was done by such a small channel.
@drift-wn2dj
@drift-wn2dj Жыл бұрын
good things somtimes end
@trulaila8560
@trulaila8560 Жыл бұрын
More like "always end"
@nathangregory9002
@nathangregory9002 Жыл бұрын
No shit captain obvious
@v5k456jh3
@v5k456jh3 Жыл бұрын
So deep, so insightful
@maizomeno
@maizomeno Жыл бұрын
people are mad in this comment section
@Nomidy
@Nomidy Жыл бұрын
all good things must come to a end
@alextremayne4362
@alextremayne4362 Жыл бұрын
I love finding small channels the second before they explode, awesome video!
@laurencem2327
@laurencem2327 Жыл бұрын
12k views in 11hrs, congrats on getting some traction with YT IcebergTech! Looking forward to more videos as always, keep up the effort!
@TastyGuava
@TastyGuava Жыл бұрын
That building that fell still has a lane closed off, 1-2 years later. Still crazy that happened in my area. It's just an empty pit now and no one knows whether they're gonna give a new building permit or turn it into a memorial.
@Iwetbeds
@Iwetbeds Жыл бұрын
was just thinking that was some odd choice of b roll footage.
@daLiraX
@daLiraX Жыл бұрын
With SLI you will need heavy user to user support, trying custom SLI Bits. There are still some places out there which are into that stuff, but well, it's less ofc, but they often tend to get some results after some time. If none works, you can aswell always try SFR Mode, but it might introduce stuttering and or heavy tearing.
@rck-lp7389
@rck-lp7389 Жыл бұрын
Nice man, youre madly underrated and I'm looking forward to see you grow like is saw randomgamingHD expanding! Keep up the nice work
@Obie327
@Obie327 Жыл бұрын
Interesting review Iceberg Tech.. I actually still have my original day one purchase of A Zotac GTX 680 and the PC I installed it in. (i7 2600k) Everything stills works great for my older games. Thanks for the video!
@cinerir8203
@cinerir8203 Жыл бұрын
Did you use special SLI bits in Nvidia Inspector for Skyrim or did it just work out of the box? I had a hard time getting both GPUs to work without setting other SLI bits in the driver. Appearantly "custom" SLI bits deliver better performance with less stuttering or so...most people advise to use the Fallout 4 SLI bits, since it is based on the Skyrim engine. It's really a shame that multi-GPU had to die, even aside from the high end area it was an interesting way of boosting your performance in games even with lower-end graphics cards. Just SLI them, get a better performance while paying less than buying a better GPU. They could do so much with mGPU in DX12 and Vulkan, but no developer wants to go the extra mile, since so few people have mGPU setups nowadays.
@gamewizard1760
@gamewizard1760 Жыл бұрын
I remember 3 years back, (before the pandemic drove GPU prices through the roof)a liquidator had a bunch of these for something like $75 each, and it was a long while before I finally decided against it, and ended up buying a GTX 970 for $100 for one of my older machines. Sli was already dead, and the fact that it was only DX 11, meant that it would be limited to older games. The power consumption is also too high, for the performance you get. If you're buying one for testing purposes, or to put on a shelf as part of a collection, then it's fine, but not as a card that you will use every day. 600 and 700 series cards are also out of driver support now, so there won't be any more optimizations coming. You're better off getting a Maxwell or Pascal based card, if you're upgrading from something even older than a 690.
@d0ubleg78
@d0ubleg78 Жыл бұрын
Is the Proton compatibility layer on Linux / Steam OS a viable workaround to play otherwise incompatible titles? If the Vulkan API on Kepler is recent enough, then translating DX12 into Vulkan and running that on the GTX 690 could become a very interesting video.
@actuallyn
@actuallyn Жыл бұрын
It would have similar outcome as MoltenVK on Apple's side (but worse, due to outdated... everything) You need to sacrifice performance to a compatibility layer. Unless use one gpu to do all the translation magic and other one for rendering?
@nepnep6894
@nepnep6894 Жыл бұрын
DXVK no longer is supported on Kepler and will not work, and was pretty slow to begin with. VKD3D never worked in the first place on Kepler.
@simsdas4
@simsdas4 Жыл бұрын
I used to 980 for 6 years, good to know it's still capable of holding its own at the end there.
@valentinardemon
@valentinardemon Жыл бұрын
I had an SLI configuraton of GTX 980, this was realy great with my 1440p monitor, in some games like the Wither 3 and Battlefield (until the 5) I had a bit more perf than a GTX 1080. V-sync is mandatory with SLI, without it frame times are just bad and you had to love tweaking game and drivers with nvidia profil inspector. BTW I still use my Ipad air 1 and it work great for what I do with it, like youtube, twich, some Google research, etc. I use it like a second screen, no need to back windows or alt-tab
@VarietyGamerChannel
@VarietyGamerChannel Жыл бұрын
Considering Vsync usually kills 15-20fps SLi was a bad bet. I used to use x2 Radeon 280's in xfire. Same shit. 90% of games I would have frametime stuttering and issues.
@valentinardemon
@valentinardemon Жыл бұрын
@@VarietyGamerChannel And with our card we did not have freesync, I think it could have save multi GPU problems. The only thing I regret now, is that I dont have a heater beside me this winter
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
We know that Nvidia started ignoring their previous generations in terms of driver updates and performance during Kepler and forever after. My friend bought a GTX980Ti for £580 after much deliberation. SIX MONTHS LATER - Nvidia released Pascal and anounced that only "critical driver support" will continue for Maxwell. Nvidia abandoned their customers who had just spent over half a grand on a top end GPU. Meanwhile, even the HD7970 and it's reincarnation the R9 280/X, were getting huge performance increased and added features via drivers YEARS afterward.
@liquidhydration
@liquidhydration Жыл бұрын
Wait 980ti gets less support? Ever since I gotten mine this year all it has been is constant random nvidia driver stable updates. Now that I think of it, some happened today while I was sleep
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
@@liquidhydration Nvidia released updated statements on their website, on the actual driver pages, saying that all but critical support is dropped from Maxwell just 6 months after the release of the 980Ti. basically, the final card of Maxwell and the arrival of Pascal, brought about the end of Maxwell. Dropping support for their PREVIOUS generation of GPU, which had sold tens of millions units, just like that. While AMD were still providing performance and feature updates for Barts and Cypress even in the Vega and RDNA 1 drivers. You might have not understood what I said. Nvidia simply make sure the cards still *work* as they should, and don't crash with newer engines / applications. But that's just a fraction of what drivers are supposed to do. They are also supposed to be refined to offer BETTER performance, on both older and newer applications. That's been the case for decades, and is still the case today. Nvidia said "Fuck that! We want our customers to buy Pascal, not cling on to Maxwell for 2-3 years!". So they officially dropped all but CRITICAL support. Which is basically the bare minimum. A fact that you can clearly see by looking at graphs of performance on Maxwell cards from subsequent drivers after their announcement. It's like buying a car and, six months later, the manufacturer / garage says "We will still do your MOT, but we ONLY ensure that the car starts and gets you to your destination! We will no longer change the oil, check the brakes, repair the engine beyond starting and stopping, and we won't adjust the seats or replace the windows! THANKS FOR YOUR £40,000 THOUGH! Why not consider our LATEST car? Only another £40,000!".
@S41t4r4
@S41t4r4 Жыл бұрын
@@TheVanillatech before trying to make amd look great, look at r9 cards at the same age of the 900 gen, yeah not supported anymore.
@ffwast
@ffwast Жыл бұрын
It's a real bummer that multi gpu doesn't really get supported anymore. It could have been amazing on modern cards.
@spankeyfish
@spankeyfish Жыл бұрын
I had a dual 670 setup and it was incredibly inconsistent. It'd stutter at random moments.
@MDxGano
@MDxGano Жыл бұрын
Had 780's in sli, was the worst thing ever in terms of consistancy and jitter vs a single card. There are many reasons sli died. If we were talking about non real time viewing type workloads, it would be great. For gaming however, it simply was poorly paced in all iterations.
@NeovanGoth
@NeovanGoth Жыл бұрын
I'm much more happy with the manufacturers having switched to extremely large dies (Nvidia) or chiplet designs (AMD) delivering scaled up single GPU solutions for the high end instead relying on multi GPU. It's just as expensive and power hungry, but works _much_ better in practice.
@TheTardis157
@TheTardis157 Жыл бұрын
I went from a GTX275 to a GTX690 and it was amazing for the games I played in 2015 or so. It only cost me $160 at the time so I was fine with it as a card as at that price it made sense. I moved on to a RX580 when GPU RAM was becoming an issue and haven't looked back. I still have the card in a backup PC that I use mostly for home theater and streaming sites.
@jimcachero
@jimcachero Жыл бұрын
Want to let you know when you open the app(YT) to get info on …we’ll anything.. I’ll see a new video from you and stop everything till I’ve watched it…good stuff man really good stuff.
@haroldfong8758
@haroldfong8758 Жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive review!
@RazielXSR
@RazielXSR Жыл бұрын
I know you said you would have affiliate links to all products used in the video, I seem to be missing the one you put up for the 690. I was hoping to triple SLI them.
@DFX4509B
@DFX4509B Жыл бұрын
The latest dual-chip cards I'm aware of were custom Radeon Pro MPX cards made for Apple for the last-gen Mac Pro.
@PyromancerRift
@PyromancerRift Жыл бұрын
In 2012, only competitive esports players had high refresh rate monitors. But they were a thing. I remember beinQ being in all Esports competitions.
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
I’ve been toying with the idea of an “original 144hz PC” video. For the time being it’s on the back burner until I can work out a bigger budget, but the first consumer 144hz display I could find referenced was the Asus VG278HE from 2012. Seems like that was a banner year for new display tech!
@idklmaostilldontknow3592
@idklmaostilldontknow3592 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Absolutely adore the channel
@FatheredPuma81
@FatheredPuma81 Жыл бұрын
Tbh most of the people that bought one of these new fall into 2 camps: People that upgraded either at the 980 Ti or 1080 TI and people who's gaming interest and standards fell significantly and will keep using it until the one game they really want to play doesn't launch.
@chincemagnet
@chincemagnet Жыл бұрын
Back in the day the reason many of us ran multiple high end cards was because we were running 3D or Eyefinity/Nvidia Surround, and when DSR came out that was an easy to upscale to 4K, early on for me it was an obsession with Crysis
@younglingslayer2896
@younglingslayer2896 Жыл бұрын
hey man at 2:27 which tomb raider game is that ive always been interested in getting into the series
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
That’s Far Cry 3
@EVOTech1
@EVOTech1 Жыл бұрын
Just as I was binge watching some videos this turned up in my sub box. what I wonderful surprise!
@SterkeYerke5555
@SterkeYerke5555 Жыл бұрын
Will you be using a 780 Ti or a Titan for the final Kepler review? I'd assume they've got more of a fighting chance considering they're got more VRAM and a faster gpu than the 680 and 690 have.
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
I had planned on going the other direction and using something cheaper, but we'll see how the testing goes.
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
But also totally abandoned by Nvidia in driver support and performance updates. All Nvidia cards die a death once their new generation is released.
@jean-micheldupont1150
@jean-micheldupont1150 Жыл бұрын
The sad thing is that "flagship" GPUs, doomed to become paperweights after a few years, used to cost 4 times less than now so you would feel a little less robbed back in the day...
@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim
@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim Жыл бұрын
i just received an rx460 2gb ddr5 ... is it any good in 2022 ? and i use a core 2 duo e8400, but i plan later to get a motherboard with i3 cpu, do u think this gpu fits better with my core 2 duo or needs i3 ? bottlenecks etc
@conyo985
@conyo985 Жыл бұрын
Core 2 duo is going to be the bottleneck for sure. But it depends on what games you're going to play. Are you just going to play old games or 2D games?
@shadowlemon69
@shadowlemon69 Жыл бұрын
Don't use that core 2 duo with RX 460, and what generation is that i3? Core i3 4th gen or below could bottleneck the RX 460
@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim
@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim Жыл бұрын
@@shadowlemon69 it's a hand me down that my brother will give me, am not hardware savvy but is any i3 at least better than my core 2 duo regardless of it's generation ?
@conyo985
@conyo985 Жыл бұрын
@@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim All I can say is you need a 4 core CPU with 8 threads at least if you're going to use an old CPU.
@_Corndawgg
@_Corndawgg Жыл бұрын
@@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim yes definitely. They have hyper threading
@AlfaPro1337
@AlfaPro1337 Жыл бұрын
So when will you get the Titan Z?
@jorge69696
@jorge69696 Жыл бұрын
I tried crossfire with 2 radeon 380s a couple years ago and was surprised to find dual gpu support had been removed from games that previously had it. I tried apex and with 1 card I got around 80 fps and by adding the second card it increased to 140fps but it didn't feel as smooth. I didn't check the frametimes but I assume there was a lot of microstuttering.
@Elinzar
@Elinzar Жыл бұрын
Wait It does support vulkan Right? What if you use DXVK dlls (directx to Vulkan) and try to run those games that cant run on Kepler normally?
@nepnep6894
@nepnep6894 Жыл бұрын
DXVK doesn't support Kepler anymore and hasn't for several months now. Vulkan "support" is so bad on Kepler your better off using software rendering on your cpu.
@Elinzar
@Elinzar Жыл бұрын
@@nepnep6894 oh rip then
@reedkey2128
@reedkey2128 Жыл бұрын
Hey man, I really love the efforts you are putting in these videos they are really entertaining no cap! Since you are one of the KZfaqrs that i know who knows most about CPUs I got a question, what do you think I7-4790S in 2022 and does it bottleneck a graphics like the GTX 1650 ? Thanks in advance man!
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
Depends on the game, really. I haven't tested Haswell yet - those videos should be coming in Jan/Feb - but my experience with Sandy Bridge tells me that you might find some CPU intensive games struggle, especially open world and large scale multiplayer titles. In general, though, I think the GTX 1650 would be a decent pairing for a 4790S.
@reedkey2128
@reedkey2128 Жыл бұрын
@@IcebergTech Thanks man I really appreciate it, I’m looking forward to those videos in the upcoming months. Keep up the good work and good luck buddy!
@miabuelaenpatinete
@miabuelaenpatinete Жыл бұрын
Are you colourblind? i did notice a strange visuals in color on the games. Great vídeo btw very entertaining!!
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
Yes, I have the deuteranopia filter enabled whenever it’s available
@TheIgor449
@TheIgor449 Жыл бұрын
What about DXVK to run games that require the latest versions of DrectX? Could it work since the gtx690 has Vulkan support (also not for the last versions, but at least it has something)?
@slim7306
@slim7306 Жыл бұрын
dxvk only supports vulkan 1.3 so 600 (and 700) series are out of the question
@A_Chocolate_Cookie
@A_Chocolate_Cookie Жыл бұрын
@@slim7306 I have a gt735m and I've used dxvk and it works
@ytszazu2gmail381
@ytszazu2gmail381 Жыл бұрын
Good video as usual. Not much comment as my experience in crossfire is only R5 240/HD 7750/AMD dual graphics. Planning to do any videos for budget builds? GTX 760/660, or HD 7850/HD 7950? Around USD 40 to USD 60 range.
@bucketheadlan1608
@bucketheadlan1608 Жыл бұрын
What is the game of the minute 2:25 called? i can't recognize it.
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
That's a cutscene from Far Cry 3
@kamil118
@kamil118 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if I understand what do you mean by gtx690 not supporting DX12 features, because 600 series can run dx12 games.
@Slimek
@Slimek Жыл бұрын
I had the Spiderman stop issue with 5700x+3060Ti. The game is quite buggy with RT on
@ahmed-0775
@ahmed-0775 Жыл бұрын
Another nice vid! how do you not have way more subsss?
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
Gained 5k last month, I'm not complaining! Thanks for the compliment 😊
@blahblahblahbloohblah
@blahblahblahbloohblah Жыл бұрын
I'm drunk rn. But aware enough that your editing and voiceover work are amazing 6 seconds (literally stopped 6 seconds in to comment this) into the video and I can hear your excitement. You love doing this, and I just subscribed because of that. It's so immediately apparent that you do this out of passion.
@LineFire2012
@LineFire2012 Жыл бұрын
gtx 700 series are diying too, my EVGA 770 4gb have graphics issues with the shadows in warzone and halo infinity directly says gpu no compatibility :(
@veritasdesantare1423
@veritasdesantare1423 8 ай бұрын
please create video about gtx590 same story like 690 but older architecture..
@oliverbrueckner2321
@oliverbrueckner2321 Жыл бұрын
You are awesome men 👍 keep up the good work
@0xAstral
@0xAstral Жыл бұрын
Have you reviewed Ryzen 5 4600g or Ryzen 3 3200g
@thedandyp
@thedandyp Жыл бұрын
He's done videos on the 3200GE, 3400GE, 3400G, 4350G and 5600G.
@XantheFIN
@XantheFIN Жыл бұрын
I thought there was way force SLI capability on games on as its just rendering technique and its based on driver's software doing the job. CrossFireX used to have this by thirdparty hobbiest making CrossFireX profiles for own titles.. Or did i miss something form the video?
@Smasher-Devourer
@Smasher-Devourer Жыл бұрын
The people who bought the GTX 1080/1080ti are the smart ones. Those cards still going strong to this day.
@XaviarCraig
@XaviarCraig Жыл бұрын
Slight correction for @6:35 Asus had a 120Hz 1080p 23 inch monitor called the VG236H available as early as 2010 and by 2011 I believe there were multiple options available. Obviously future proofing is always a bit hand wavy, but generally you can scrape a couple extra years of good performance by looking at works well in current year and going 1 step beyond it. Like right now consensus is 6C/12T CPUs are generally enough for gaming along with 32GB of ram and a card like the 3070. However, if you step the aforementioned setup up to a 8C/16T CPU w/ 64GB of ram, and a 3080 you will be able to run games on it for another year or two before future games become unplayable.
@clancyrosenberg614
@clancyrosenberg614 Жыл бұрын
I used to play fortnite with sli 1080s and I didn't have negative performance. That was really interesting to see. Anyone have any idea why this is the case?
@bismarck6
@bismarck6 3 ай бұрын
I thought this was a 1m/500k KZfaq channel until I read the comments, only to realize it's not, but I'm pretty sure it will quickly get to a big number if you keep up the good work
@grumpyoldwizard
@grumpyoldwizard Жыл бұрын
I had a dual 680 setup, from Falcon North West. It was a nice little machine but I lost driver support recently. I liked it quite a bit.
@micb3rd
@micb3rd Жыл бұрын
It is interesting that you saw 100% scaling in performance in Witcher 3 when using SLI. Did you have TAA turned off? The TAA option in this game for me stopped SLI scaling properly on my Nvidia Titan X Pascal cards and so neither card would do more than 80% GPU load . This got me to 3520 x 2036 (15% below 4K) at around 85-90 FPS. When I swapped for a Single Nvidia 2080TI Kingpin performance was noticeably faster than the SLI set-up. The issue with SLI at the end is all those micro stutters and poor frame pacing. A single card was the way to go.
@HM-zk6rb
@HM-zk6rb Жыл бұрын
I'm currently running a gtx1070 founders edition, and thinking about running sli, or upgrading to like a rtx2080. But currently as is it runs all my modern games great, like Halo Infinite, MW, and Cyberpunk 2077. still on the fence on what to do.
@haymaker113
@haymaker113 Жыл бұрын
I vote no SLI, find a deal on a 3070 or something... I have a 1080 that still runs everything I want at 4k60. I had the chance to go SLI for $100 so I researched a lot and it's just not worth it. Less games can benefit from SLI each year so it's a pointless step before a proper upgrade.
@genethebean7597
@genethebean7597 Жыл бұрын
Probably the most overlooked downside of this GPU was the triple DVI output with only a single mini DisplayPort. Heck, one of the three DVI ports was DVI-D so you were even more down bad.
@grantmackinnon1307
@grantmackinnon1307 Жыл бұрын
i rember getting decent performace on alot of games when i had a 780ti which was still keplar. i got a fairly solid 60-75 on witcher 3, 45ish in hellblade. If i still had that card it would be interesting to see if the performance is still that same after 3 years of software updates. I did have an asus rog card with a modded bios that probably added 15% over stock.
@user-mz8cs9oz9s
@user-mz8cs9oz9s Жыл бұрын
Same, 780ti was really good
@grantmackinnon1307
@grantmackinnon1307 Жыл бұрын
@@user-mz8cs9oz9s really power hungery, and ran extremely hot. back then everybody said the r9 290s ran hot but to get 1200mhz from a 780ti expect it to get to the boiling point of water even with the asus direcy cu cooler.
@user-mz8cs9oz9s
@user-mz8cs9oz9s Жыл бұрын
@@grantmackinnon1307 that's true as well, mine died due to overheating back in 2020. But until then it ran all the games well for, what, 6 years? Although I may be misremebering since I never cared for ultra settings
@grantmackinnon1307
@grantmackinnon1307 Жыл бұрын
@@user-mz8cs9oz9s i gave my away about the sametime. as far i know it still works fine.
@gazzamildog6732
@gazzamildog6732 Жыл бұрын
I remember having a GTX 770 as my first ever GPU (the 770 is just a rebranded 680), I remember wanting to get a second one at the time because the 770 couldn't quite get 60fps ultra on BF4 at 1080p, the thing that put me off at the time was the constant complaints of "micro-stuttering" when using SLI, apparently the frame pacing would just be terrible for many games people tried. Seems like a gimmick looking back, kind of like rollerblades or something, like a dated PC gaming concept. Cool video :) brought me back
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius Жыл бұрын
I used a 770 from 2013-2017 and my gawd was the deterioration painful. From about 2015 I used it at as a 720P card to maintain a balance of performance and quality but it's lack of modern features just started making new games look old gen, and when I say old gen I mean older than the card. The lack of VRAM combined with the dated feature set made that card not so much fall off the cliff as jump off it clinging to a boulder. Replaced it with a 1060 6GB and even though I replaced that after 3 years it was because it was starting to fall over the cliff edge, the 1060 fell off more like it was wearing a parachute because they're still OK 2.5 years after I replaced it. The 1060 even only pulled half the power of the 770, so much electric for so little benefit.
@gazzamildog6732
@gazzamildog6732 Жыл бұрын
@@darthwiizius yeah it wasn’t a great card looking back, I think they just didn’t realise how much VRAM would matter in the future, these days even low end cards are rocking like 8GB minimum. I remember playing the Witcher 3 with the 770, it forced me to upgrade to a 1070. 20 fps no matter the settings literally.
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius Жыл бұрын
@@gazzamildog6732 I never even bothered trying to run The Witcher 3 on it, I knew me place. You did well getting a 1070 though, they were cracking cards for the time, the 8 chip memory set-up means they're still totally viable now, the 1060 6 chip config was why it tailed off before the RX570s & 580s it was competing with.
@gazzamildog6732
@gazzamildog6732 Жыл бұрын
@@darthwiizius haha yeah it’s still a solid card today. My friend still has it, swears by it.
@TheeDeathCaster
@TheeDeathCaster Жыл бұрын
What game is that 2:26?
@candle86
@candle86 Жыл бұрын
As someone who bought Kepler back in 2012, I bought 4x GTX670 cards and did triple SLI + Physx on them. At the time 2GB seemed fine, and it was. They where also faster than the AMD compitor. The AMD Finewine thing wasn't a known thing in 2012, the first generation that really applies to was the 7000 series, but in 2012 the 680 beat the 7970 and the 670 beat the 7950. You've also got to remember that during this time period the 7970 and 7950 where plauged by a red screen bug that would randomly occur. No one made a mistake in 2012 buying Kepler.
@imjust_a
@imjust_a Жыл бұрын
I had purchased a second 660 TI for SLI purposes back in the day. It never really worked the way I had hoped it would, and in fact I felt like my performance suffered in more games than it improved. That being said, I was very hopeful for the future of SLI... a bit too hopeful. To this day I still think that SLI could have been extremely useful for lowering the barrier to entry for VR (being able to use two older GPUs for cheap instead of buying one high-end GPU.) It seems NVidia was doing work to support per-eye rendering with SLI, but it happened at the tail end of SLI's lifespan and was thus canned before it really had a chance.
@thaddeus2447
@thaddeus2447 Жыл бұрын
Just placed ad searching for GTX 690 however there is non in my country :/ Want one for collection
@brentsnocomgaming7813
@brentsnocomgaming7813 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I'd've gotten a 980Ti instead of 2 980s. My brother had one that ran 4k60+ High/Ultra like a champ, and it overclocked to 2.1 GHZ on air, it was a beast. He had it until 2018 when it burnt out from the extreme OC.
@raychat2816
@raychat2816 Жыл бұрын
I still have my own 690 however it’s now a collector’s item, I had replaced it when I got 2 980 cards in SLI … but I’m keeping it
@JamesSmith-sw3nk
@JamesSmith-sw3nk Жыл бұрын
I think you would perhaps need to use older period correct drivers but there was a brief time when you could use one of the gpu's on a dual gpu card as a Phyxs card in Batman games,etc.
@IcebergTech
@IcebergTech Жыл бұрын
It still appears as an option in the nVidia Control Panel. I just thought it seemed like a bit of a waste of a GPU!
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech Жыл бұрын
Physx was nothing but a marketing move from Nvidia to cripple ATI's superior architecture cards, especially during the Kepler generation. It added almost no visual quality, even on Nvidia cards, but crippled performance even moreso than 16x AA in some cases.
@bigredcommissar
@bigredcommissar Жыл бұрын
I wonder how the 690 aged compared to the HD 7990. I had a friend who had one of those long been consigned to the bin which is a shame I'd have loved to benchmark it.
@JohnDoe-ip3oq
@JohnDoe-ip3oq Жыл бұрын
AMD aged better, just not with crossfire. There is no dx12/Vulkan support. Doesn't matter the API does, it removed driver support for game dev specific support, and none of them supported it.
@conman3609theoriginal
@conman3609theoriginal Жыл бұрын
one thing ive noticed with spider man is that if you don't have it on an SSD or something faster than a spinning mechanical drive even good cards can be handy capped by loading into areas swaped it from my hard drive to my SSD and the issues went away
Жыл бұрын
TBH, dropping SLI support sort of makes sense, especially from economy pov, but it also limits the usability of older cards. If look at it this way, cards like RTX 4090 are sort of a replacement for things like 4080 SLI that would have been a thing in the past. People often fail to notice that just a few years ago the top of the line was not a single top tier card but having 2-3 of those. That was the biggest beast you could get. Now? You can get 4090, slam water on it and push it as far as it goes but that's the limit. Anyways, the catch here is that older cards could still be usable in SLI. Even if a single card did not perform that well anymore, using two of those could often be cheaper than the new card, make the availability a little higher and most of all, it would actually be the best reusability scenario, better than recycling. Basic 1070 SLI is on pair with 3070, Strix 1070 OC in SLI is around RTX 3080 performance in most applications. Well, unless you play something that does not support multi GPU setup. Just imagine that, if we still were doing SLI with good support, in the GPU shortage after 2020 we would still have an option to run 10 and 20 series in SLI even though 30 series was hardly available. Getting dual 3080 would be a good alternative to 4080/4090, especially considering the prices and availability. This would let us use older generations at least a generation or two more before they become a scrap metal and when they do, they are a real paperweight. If games can't be even played on 2/3 way SLI, then the GPU is worth scrap. So why does it make sense? First and foremost, competition. If SLI was viable option, then new generation would have to compete with used market of old generation. Getting two slower, used cards might be cheaper and much more available than getting a new one. Secondly, optimizations, more corner cases, the overall complexity of development for SLI. I think that if anything like that should be done, it should be handled by Nvidia/AMD/Intel only, no special code on the developer's side. Multi GPU should really work as a single GPU from the game perspective and everything else should really be handled by the drivers and firmware. Otherwise it does not make sense if one game can get almost 100% boost, another will get nothing.
@kyronne1
@kyronne1 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts tbh, sucks that corporation's only care about the bottom line
@genrenato
@genrenato Жыл бұрын
14:58 "SLI is just an SLI-ability" oof
@TheMissingxtension
@TheMissingxtension Жыл бұрын
Hello! CRT ran at way over 60hz and I was able to run crazy resolution on an nec CRT before 4k was a standard.
@Linda-
@Linda- Жыл бұрын
5:20 yup, thats the physics bugs you get when trying to run a bethesda game over 60FPS, the flickering is actually just your character going into swimming mode for 1 or 2 frames and then returning out of it right after, back and forth
@Hexxedtone
@Hexxedtone Жыл бұрын
great vid !!!
@nlk294
@nlk294 Жыл бұрын
This GPU can't be more outdated...
@bryndaldwyre3099
@bryndaldwyre3099 Жыл бұрын
I had the GTX 680 and it was the 4gb version from Leadtek. It was a pretty decent card when I bought it in 2013 but by 2016 it was starting to show it's age. I replaced it with the GTX 1060 and wow what a jump in performance that was.
@PokeBurnPlease
@PokeBurnPlease Жыл бұрын
Ive used a 680 for about a year in like 2019. Could run anything i threw at it. One day it sadly broke and i had to buy another GPU. I went with the 770 also 4GB. Why was Nvidia thinking 2GB Vram is enough in 2012 ? They knew PS4 and Xbox one gonna release soon obvisiously increasing the demand for Vram. I cant understand that till now. AMD is thinking ahead even their mid range Cards have like 16GB Vram. Currently rocking a RX 6600 cause of the Power Draw. 130W is really low nowdays.
@randomguydoes2901
@randomguydoes2901 Жыл бұрын
@@PokeBurnPlease nvidia and gimped vram is tale as old as time.
@TheKazragore
@TheKazragore Жыл бұрын
@@randomguydoes2901 True as it can be.
@qasderfful
@qasderfful Жыл бұрын
I remember beating all those pre-2016 games on 650 Ti. Those were good times, man.
@InternationalLiaison
@InternationalLiaison Жыл бұрын
How do you always nail it!!
@aleksandarudovicic4232
@aleksandarudovicic4232 Жыл бұрын
Still using this card and its almost 2023 now. I am mostly playing older games though.
@thalessantos287
@thalessantos287 Жыл бұрын
multi gpu training mode [force alternate frame rendering ?? 1 ou 2 ??
@jarekstorm6331
@jarekstorm6331 Жыл бұрын
I ran 2 GTX 285s in SLI with an i7 965 and had high frame rates, but always experienced micro-stuttering. When I upgraded to a single GTX 780 years later the micro-stuttering disappeared.
@betaomega04
@betaomega04 11 ай бұрын
I had dual 690s. It was the first NVIDIA card that actually looked like a high-end card, and was the first card to have that metal aesthetic that seems to have carried over the years. For power, I used (and still use) a Corsair AX1200i. Practically speaking, it was one of the only cards that had three DVI ports (in a time when Display Port and HDMI were still new on cards), but did have mini-DP. These cards carried me through the beginning of the pandemic, and by that point I had replaced my 4-monitor setup with a single 55" 4K panel, so I needed an upgrade. Eventually settled on dual Strix GTX 1080 Ti's.
@BlackThunderRC
@BlackThunderRC Жыл бұрын
Still have a fully working GTX 295.
@theburger_king
@theburger_king Жыл бұрын
For your main???
@ImperialDiecast
@ImperialDiecast Жыл бұрын
the best card from january 2009 :'-) couldnt run direct x 10 that came out 1 year later.
@BlackThunderRC
@BlackThunderRC Жыл бұрын
@@theburger_king No no lol
@BlackThunderRC
@BlackThunderRC Жыл бұрын
@@ImperialDiecast Yep indeed. Got it a couple of years back just to play about with. Also does not like to work on a 4k screen. 1440p is the max output as well. Dont ask me how long it took to figure that out
@shinvelcro
@shinvelcro Жыл бұрын
I grabbed a 690 on release for my 2700k, spent a while waiting for them to announce it or I was going to pull the trigger on two 680's. It was a lovely card for running at 1440p at the time. Its downfall though was the 4gb of Vram. It only took about a year for that to become the real issue, as the stutter from swapping out assets started to get pretty bad. Had it been 4gb for each core it would have been able to pull its weight for a good while longer for me. Still, it always looked great, even if it was a bit more heafty then I would have liked.
@TheKazragore
@TheKazragore Жыл бұрын
Like how the Titan Z had 12Gb total.
@terrabyteonetb1628
@terrabyteonetb1628 Жыл бұрын
Games have to be written to use sli, they started dropping that in 700 series, by my 980ti, my old 670x2 sli, in bf3 got 120fps, and the 980ti same (at 1080p). That why I did not huy a 2nd one on my x99 sli matx board..(seeing death support in games).
@erroroflife187
@erroroflife187 Жыл бұрын
damn how did u get 4.6 ghz all coreon 5600g
@DrBreezeAir
@DrBreezeAir Жыл бұрын
Beautifully done, I can only imagine how much work this took to accomplish. I've stuck with a 660Ti until 2015 and bought a 980. I was able to cover a third of the price by selling the trusty 660Ti. Then I moved to a 1080 during the mining craze for a ridiculous price and now I'm on a 3070 to see how the prices will behave in the future. 4080 seems like a total rip-off and a 4090 is an unjustifiable purchase for something to play games on. Plus my 3070 is a Noctua edition, I'd love my next card to be of the same type. Maybe I'll give AMD a shot, I'm still a little sour about the HD2900XT.
@megajuanph11
@megajuanph11 Жыл бұрын
All the flickering is caused by Skyrim itself. The engine totally collapsed trying to play on my rx5600xt and had to cap it
@soylentgreenb
@soylentgreenb Жыл бұрын
Skyrim had problems (and probably still does) around the 100 FPS mark or above. The cart may up-end and prevent you from getting through the intro and tutorial. Stuff on shelves in stores may randomly fly at high enough speed to damage you, typically when you first enter the room. The day and night cycle may become out of sync with the ingame clock; which is just bizarre since you'd think those were the same thing; by that I mean the sun may set at 9 AM ingame time. Slightly higher than 60 isn't obviously broken. Also you may have random water-noises whenever you are close to the water elevation and standing on solid ground.
@Lardzor
@Lardzor Жыл бұрын
I remember how disappointed I felt after I bought a Blu-Ray burner and the industry decided it was time for optical drives to go away.
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