Iconoclasts - Final Boss Fight with Mina + Ending (Spoilers)

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6 жыл бұрын

Final Boss Fight against Starworm with Mina assist. Should be Max Affinity with Mina and Royal.
I picked the dialogue choices that favor Mina and Royal for this run. Not sure if I done everything correctly, since I might have skipped a few cutscenes as I was speedrunning this, and Royal didn't sit right next to Robin in the rocket cutscene for this run, despite the fact he did sit next to Robin in my first playthrough. Overall, not a bad run for New Game+ though.
Timestamps:
00:37 Phase 1.1 Nightmare Elro
01:15 Phase 1.2 Nightmare Mina
01:38 Phase 1.3 Nightmare Royal
02:06 Phase 1.4 Nightmare Agent Black
02:28 Interlude Polro
03:20 Phase 2 Starworm
04:52 Phase 3 Start
05:25 Mina cutscene
05:53 Phase 3 ???
07:36 Final Boss End
11:24 Credits
16:11 Agent Black Bonus Postcard
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Join renegade mechanic Robin and uncover the secrets of a dying planet. Explore a big world filled with intricate puzzles, interesting characters and menacing bosses in a beautiful platform adventure that tells a personal story about faith, purpose and the challenge of helping people.
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Credits to u/Flamegeyser from Reddit for helping me to figure out getting Mina to appear for the Final Boss fight.

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@MatheusVinicius-eh1jl 4 жыл бұрын

This game was all about robin trying to stop the quakes because they weren't letting her sleep for more than 5 seconds.

@freshlymemed5680 2 жыл бұрын

and maybe to make her brother shut up and stop being salty for once.

@FirstLast-cg2nk 3 жыл бұрын

5:03 Imagine learning that your world's entire belief structure was wrong, and your planet was actually a giant gas station.

@MrTmb64 3 жыл бұрын

Oh that's what it was ? It was just pumping ivory ? That's why it pointed at a gas tank... Makes sense

@rompevuevitos222 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTmb64 Iconoclast means to attack a religious belief with the intention of overthrow it or destroy it, it was in the name all along Took me like a month for it to click lol

@austinmorrison6953 Жыл бұрын

Now imagine how it must’ve felt for Royal knowing he died pleading to what he thought was his god but was nothing more than some truck.

@nutmatical1042 Жыл бұрын

That's the point of iconoclasts is about iconoclasm "attack or criticism of religious beliefs to overthrow it"

@brendenhawley2225 10 ай бұрын

Some people online think the bird might of actually been trying to refill the planet who knows, there is a clear commication barrer and the bird decided yolo I am just going to kill this dump ape who understands nothing.

@kgblagden 4 жыл бұрын

When your God turns out to be a truck driver

@DumbassSince2015 2 жыл бұрын

69. *Nice.*

@zongtan385 3 ай бұрын

Nah what💀💀 Do you mean the human bird💀💀💀💀

@gorororongggg 5 жыл бұрын

they literally did not have to do that to royal but they did anyway and now i want to yeet myself to the sun

@SquareTales 3 жыл бұрын

When you say they, do you mean the devs? because than its he since it was made by one dude alone

@gorororongggg 3 жыл бұрын

@@SquareTales yeah i meant the dev i just didnt know his gender at the time lol

@Buglin_Burger7878 5 жыл бұрын

I find it interesting as Polro is actually Elro's behavior but without his... poor decisions and bad attitude. Wanting family to come first, everything he did was for her. The positioning of him in the exact spot Elro is for the final scene. Even player's choices seem to reflect their feeling of Elro, to care for family first or not... most people don't just as most people don't like Elro. (In terms of him being a good person or a bad one.) Even his realization he can't control her is at the same time in proxy, as by this point Robin went off to save the world and Elro realized he can't control her. I'm not sure if this is the actual meaning, but it lines up pretty dang well.

@TVHead003 5 жыл бұрын

Dragoonsoul7878 I always had her walk out the door imagining she’d say something like “I’m sorry dad, but I still have something I need to do. I can’t stay here with you. I know I can’t do everything, but that’s no excuse to not do everything I can do. I love you, but it’s time I finally say goodbye.”

@rosePetrichor Жыл бұрын

I never understood why people automatically assumed the Birdman was there to refill the Starworm with Ivory. After all, he was triggered to approach the planet by the destruction of the big Controller thing. Surely he'd return when his fuel ran out, not when the planet sent him a signal? I think he's actually there to FIX THE PLANET. The Controller clearly sent out some kind of 'hey this fuel depot has gone off the rails and needs maintenance' message when it was destroyed. And there must have been lots of Ivory inside the Starworm already given that it caused a HUGE explosion of plants when a seed was placed in it

@ashb712 5 жыл бұрын

Here's my theory: That bird boss was an alien piloting some kind of bioship, however I don't think he was trying to refill his Starworm, as it was bursting with ivory. Instead, I think he is an alien Mechanic (judging my his wrench, and the fact he has all the same abilities, even being able to charge himself up by spinning his wrench), possibly one who had built the mechanical planet these humans live on. Anyways, he pulls a meter out of the ground showing very low ivory supply. That wasn't his ship's ivory, that was _the planet's ivory._ *He was a fix-it guy who was there to refill the planet with ivory and you killed him.* He began trying to communicate with you by pointing out how low the planet's resource is, flipping through notes, but then just deciding it'd be easier to subdue you. I also suspect the star worm was just a common space-dwelling beast, converted into a bioship through the use of the many controllers you see planted on it (the blue pustules with eyes). We have seen throughout the game how those blue masses latch onto and control practically any entity they come in contact with, and the worm is covered with them inside and out. It's only logical then that such large clusters are needed to subdue the worm to be fit for use as a space vessel. The bird alien and the rest of his kind likely use these worms as ships for their distinct ability to collect, store (and/or possibly generate) Ivory, similar to how caterpillars are valued for their silk in the real world. I mean, look at the worm, it's body is practically made of the stuff. If it can generate or contain ivory (perhaps it's even the creature's blood), this supports the theory that the bird was there for routine maintenance and refueling of the world. Also supports why the worm killed him once the bird's controller stopped working - the blue masses were no longer keeping the creature subdued. It had returned to it's wild state, obviously angry at being controlled. Something else that's interesting to note is that it's very much implied "the ancestors" are humans from our version of Earth. During the scene in the factory where you and Mina discover a green ark vessel, much like the one the Isi sanctify in their home having been captured and dissected by One Concern, if you look on the side of the ship (in the upper right corner of that room's screen), you can see several different flags of real world nations, including the US, UK, Russian, Chinese, and Japanese flags. Also General Chrome's readings and proverbs are based on real world books and historical figures, further supporting this idea.

@darkpeasant2496 5 жыл бұрын

Nice theory

@Lukeff7 5 жыл бұрын

I've been reading many different posts on here and Reddit etc and yours is a good summary of what tends to be the accepted / best theory :)

@pawepakura5404 5 жыл бұрын

I think the idea with the bird guy is a bit rushed and unpolished by the guy who made this game. If He simply was a Starworm itself, it would make more sense. It feels like the game's lore is heavily inspired by Herbert's Dune, and the Starworm would be nothing more than worms from Arrakis - mindless but unique and wonderful creature, that processes matter into Ivory. But the bird guy - just sits idle on the moon for millenias, allows humans to deplete ivory and in the end gets mad about it. It's just unclear what was he doing on the moon for the whole time. Was he hibernated or what? What for? If there was no other alien on the planet, it had no value for his race. People of the planet knew the Starworm was extremaly dangerous, so that would imply he made contact with them before. But it seems like Royal is the first one who ever woke the thing up. I get the whole idea of the game - people living there are just progeny of some astronauts / colonizers, who got corrupted by wonders and power offered by alien tech and created totalitarian society driven by religion. But alien sleeping on the moon is a bit off :D

@romank9611 5 жыл бұрын

Except if u actually watch the pre-battle cutscene in this video, you can clearly see that the worm is draining ivory not refilling it. So the whole repair man mambo-jumbo falls apart. And there is no support to the worm crushing him on purpose, the bird was using the remaining hand during the final phase of the battle and it was just sweeping the whole place. Malfunctioning machines are dangerous for a reason and this is the reason - they can squash you. Until the devs make a DLC, a new game or at least an AMA (that's not vague), this is all just a shot in the dark

@austinmorrison6953 5 жыл бұрын

Javi B I believe there’s world building I forgot where but it’s said that the planet use to be a fuel depot until the human astronauts came along. They turned the place into habitable mechanical planet. And as you can guess, the astronauts had no idea about the Birdmen. And sometime later the human settlers saw the ship and what it could do, they thought it some sort of cosmic god/eldritch entity. And also needless to say when the Trucker sees what happened to the fuel depot he’s certainly confused(I think he’s looking through the notes to check if he’s on the right planet.). But more angry that there’s no ivory to power the ship along with strange little people bothering him, breaking his ship, and using up his fuel which has more uses than a Swiss Army knife.

@poohhardy11 4 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh so the alien shot robin with the same self doubt beam he hit royal with. Robin was able to fight her inner demons and self doubt in time but royal wasn't.. this made me hate the boss even more

@franconunez925 5 ай бұрын

I saw her getting angry after the ray ended, as she getting mad at how that was how royal's life ended + if you want to add to that idea, maybe she tought how it grabbed him in his lowest point in what refers to will to live and self-steem while she had plenty to fight her inners demons with(overall her whole cheery reputation and personality, and her whole deal as a mechanic/fixer).

@bigboybaxxo9024 4 жыл бұрын

This game is a god damned master piece and one of the best games I've played in a very long time

@sadsuitcase4924 2 жыл бұрын

This boss on challenge mode is pure PAIN

@RealityMasterRogue 6 жыл бұрын

judging by your tweak setup it appears you are a person of culture

@TheRealChrisTDH 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve always been rather suspicious of the seeds floating down during the credits, since those are the same ones Black made in her boss fight.

@CherryFlower467 3 жыл бұрын

@Zanimations 12:17 :)

@ricardoneaves6225 3 жыл бұрын

Metroid references are extremely notable damn chozo are here as well

@Jesscapade 5 жыл бұрын

that explains the second part of the song in the soundtrack...

@isabellejoestar2455 3 жыл бұрын

6:18 / 6:43 Holy shit, I never noticed Mina's theme playing during the battle. Makes sense why it's there.

@isabellejoestar2455 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegamesirege It only plays if you maxed out Mina's friendship iirc

@reallyannoyingguy6625 2 жыл бұрын

Dang. Robin just straight up punched God at the beginning.

@RetroGamesMas 5 жыл бұрын

First nightmare...ELRO's nightmare...her wife and child dead..u need to stop his berserk rage about that. second nightmare: All the people killed by that fake religion about "mother" and they don't care about it..u need to stop that fault hunting you. third nightmare: U need to forgive you for the royal's dead..because u can't save him. that's why u see the moon scatered where the "base" was. fourth nighmare: U forgive yourself for kill black even when all that happens was the "religion" fault.

@jimmyjenkins1907 5 жыл бұрын

wasnt the second nightmare about the isi religion tho?

@alol_x4353 4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Jenkins yes

@JorjIto12872 2 жыл бұрын

I see this in another video

@E.K939 5 жыл бұрын

I wish Silver Wachman woud have survived

@strubberyg7451 5 жыл бұрын

what if the bird isn't an actual bird, but a continuation of the nightmare? I mean we face a dark version of our cast, who wasn't represented? Robin. So we face a raven mechanic. While Robin (the bird) is nice and friendly, the raven is nasty and mean. Also they're both mechanics...

@smoker9777 6 жыл бұрын

the only guys who were happy after the whole mess were the chimecho which kinda depressing considering all of our friends and enemy are either dead or Disable or depressed even the heroine didn't really smile until the end because she really did get nothing of this experience just ptsd of the peoples she witness die or she killed herself

@kingcrab1774 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like I’m the only who’s sad about General Chrome dying

@marcoasturias8520 3 жыл бұрын

He had the right ideas but he was also kind of a jerk

@Charlie-ne9xw 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sad i could no't fight him, he was a good villain

@freshlymemed5680 2 жыл бұрын

He kinda deserved it. Sure, Mother and the mediums were abusing their roles and simply used their beliefs as tools to obtain what they wanted but Chrome was batshit insane. The very epitome of a devout zealot.

@kingcrab1774 3 ай бұрын

@@Charlie-ne9xwSame here

@kingcrab1774 3 ай бұрын

@@freshlymemed5680 Yeah he definitely had it coming, it bums me out you couldn't REALLY fight him though. Plus tbf he actually cared about his subordinates unlike the rest of the Concern

@lightning116 4 жыл бұрын

Wait. You can have Mina fight alongside you against the final boss? Sweet. I liked Mina. How do you get about to that?

@travv88 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you visit Mina b4

@Phantom17685 2 жыл бұрын

In the game, there is a secret which is called friendship. When you pick a dialoge in conversations which the person likes, the friendship grows. If you have enough friendship, then you can fight alongside her. (And don‘t skip conversations, or it will count as you have taken the first option)

@Phantom17685 2 жыл бұрын

When you have enough friendship, the nightmares will also have flower particles around them.

@TB-xf4py 6 жыл бұрын

13:24 Seems like a picture spot for Royal, since he's on the moon...There MUST be a way to save him..... THERE MUST!

@epicv8377 6 жыл бұрын

usurper shot maybe?

@shirifuari7425 6 жыл бұрын

can you throw him past the door?

@davidrp39 6 жыл бұрын

ed jills Tried using the usurper, nothing worked

@ImFangzBro 5 жыл бұрын

Grab the panel- it's loose from the wall. Take it with you through the door, with Royal in tow.

@IvoryDelfin 4 жыл бұрын

@@ImFangzBro ???

@razorxo6714 4 жыл бұрын

4:19 dab

@ZesTofthelemon 3 жыл бұрын

damn you

@razorxo6714 3 жыл бұрын

@@ZesTofthelemon lmao

@donbototo5068 6 жыл бұрын

fucking chozos Edit: Now after playing metroid dread i can come to this and say: fucking chozos twice

@davidjrvs123 5 жыл бұрын

L M A O

@sumikajuutilainen1534 5 жыл бұрын

Chozos

@donbototo5068 2 жыл бұрын

Now after playing metroid dread i can come to this and say: fucking chozos twice

@MouthlessChocomint 6 жыл бұрын

so...how do i get mina assits?i tried to do max afinitty with the three of them and mina didn't appear

@steffandecker968 6 жыл бұрын

Wait waht?! Mina Assist?! What answers do you give to get here?

@LollyPop1444 3 жыл бұрын

I heard or read someone say something about having to answer all of Mina's questions kindly or supportively, but I don't know for sure...

@katarinafox6962 5 жыл бұрын

Is the max affinity why the 1.2 and 1.3 nightmares didn't attack at all?

@flagonking1337 4 жыл бұрын

Most likely.

@XOctavius1984 3 жыл бұрын

No name for the final boss? I hearby dub thee, "Harvey. God of Irony!" xD

@user-vh9jz3bg4m 3 жыл бұрын

oh god this is actually so underrated

@mihaismoleac7856 3 жыл бұрын

Lucas Birbasaurus Rex, thats his name, I swear

@bizznick444joe7 Жыл бұрын

This game was so deep

@ashlight6107 4 жыл бұрын

So you can let Miha fight along side you as long as you choose the best text options with Miha and Royal.

@reallyannoyingguy6625 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t need the good options for Royal, just Mina.

@dulhanjayawardana 9 ай бұрын

How did you get that cutscene man I didnt got that ending even tho i 100% the game Maybe it depends on the choices

@Mabra51 6 жыл бұрын

Why are the second and third shadows not attacking?

@PYoro-kh3bb 6 жыл бұрын

I think Max Infinity with Mina and Royal keeps their Nightmare counterparts from attacking.

@gamingwithzack4503 6 жыл бұрын

I think iconoclasts is going to have a sequel because you can see the spores from the ivory beast (agent black mutated by the seeds, ivory, and blue parasite things

@barrybanter8419 5 жыл бұрын

Gaming with Zack actually I think the spores might end up giving more life to the planet don’t forget the planet is pretty much made of the stuff seeds are made up of now so the ivory in the spores might end up creating a symbiotic relationship with eachother Either that or it’s agent black but she’s white

@pawepakura5404 5 жыл бұрын

I hope it won't get a sequel. It's game made by one man, it took around 8 years to develop it. No way he's going to repeat it, so most likely he would sell rights to it to some bigger company and those create shitty games

@kinettleyt5945 2 жыл бұрын

Robin: A mechanic with the balls to walk up to her people’s god and punch him in the face.

@austinmorrison6953 Жыл бұрын

I just have one question. The planet was originally a gas station for spaceships but there must have been some sort of sign or equipment to show this. So how did the original settlers not know?

@jeo8870 Жыл бұрын

I really dont know.

@grayfox4819 2 жыл бұрын

The "God" the characters of this game praised was.... nothing but a random alien bird that took advantage of the praises to steal their resources...

@MrTmb64 3 жыл бұрын

How'd you get Mina to join you in the fight ?

@genmin6585 6 жыл бұрын

I wonder if there is a way to save Royal...

@jamesoffutt2801 5 жыл бұрын

NOPE!

@lordexohunter558 5 жыл бұрын

I died trying to save him.

@gabriellacet1172 5 жыл бұрын

Well... Imma kill the developer of this game.

@pawepakura5404 5 жыл бұрын

I actually liked the fact he died :D

@possibly_ben 5 жыл бұрын

@@pawepakura5404 Well, he did (probably) kill Silver Watchman as he was bowing down to you in respect as you had saved his life earlier.

@dvl.xgaming 3 жыл бұрын

still following the best dialogue (on steams too) but still not get this scene

@rakukya1252 5 жыл бұрын

So it doesn't change a thing oh ok

@cccwhatuneed 3 жыл бұрын

how to team up with mina??? by what choices???

@K-MasterGirl 3 жыл бұрын

I may be late but iconoclasts.fandom.com/wiki/Friendship

@frankoarenaschavez 5 жыл бұрын

Porque durante las pesadillas no lo atacan? En difícil es distinto

@fabianalvarado2187 4 жыл бұрын

Supongo que confia que el control tiene el arma le afecte tal como le sucedio a delfin

@donbototo5068 3 жыл бұрын

algo tarde, pero es por la afinidad, basicamente por dar las respuestas correctas en las opciones de dialogo

@totoknight300 2 жыл бұрын

¿Como se hace para que Mina te ayude con el jefe final?

@sparksterknight1993 3 жыл бұрын

Where did you got double jump?

@JorjIto12872 2 жыл бұрын

I think is from a secret boss

@CrabbChips Ай бұрын

Mother's Corners

@goblinslayer8280 3 жыл бұрын

fua que capo que soy no utilice esos poderes en todo el juego

@Fayrus_Fuma 5 жыл бұрын

Hello. Why 4 phase is Black nightmare?

@Justinwa0309 4 жыл бұрын

This is late but it probably represents Robin’s fear of actually killing another person. Black is the only one she actually killed. It haunts her:

@MouthlessChocomint 6 жыл бұрын

so, can i have elro in the final boss too?(i don't think so because he is to damage XD)

@starsong9607 5 жыл бұрын

Don't know what a crippled husk of a man with a missing arm is gonna do with no weapon of any kind.

@possibly_ben 5 жыл бұрын

@@starsong9607 He has a (broken) sword, and you even fight as him once, but i think Lawrence was going easy on him.

@metasprite5648 5 жыл бұрын

@@possibly_ben that was honestly dumb. Lawrence would have destroyed elro canonically... Jesus.

@XerKoro_neo 5 жыл бұрын

@@metasprite5648 Or... Lawrence is a hopeless Semantic and his personality renders him practically useless against the right people.

@ArtFromHer 3 жыл бұрын

@@XerKoro_neo it's probably this.

@zerogyro5971 6 жыл бұрын

just... how?

@luizbiel2317 6 жыл бұрын

Maybe there's a way to save royal after all

@MOON-lx3kl 6 жыл бұрын

Robot Plays sadly threre isint any way to save royal

@CidGuerreiro1234 5 жыл бұрын

Wtf, is Affinity a thing in this game?!?! I just finished it and had no idea it was, and wouldn't hjave known if I hadn't searched for the ending to rewatch it. Seriously, shit like this is what drags this game down from being a 10/10, it makes NO effort whatsoever to explain a lot of things.

@marcoasturias8520 3 жыл бұрын

I don't think is that important to know what affinity is and how it works. It's a mechanic that was meant to be a secret and be something special for those who get it

@sirbruno95 3 жыл бұрын

I beat thai game 5 times, discovering something New everytime, yet I'm still finding new things. Is this a mod or something?

@K-MasterGirl 3 жыл бұрын

You must get Mina’s “friendship” to the Max level.

@metalmushroom9618 3 жыл бұрын

@@K-MasterGirl how?

@soratakeshi2077 6 жыл бұрын

kinda with mina ost boss change pace...? or i only me just got notice?

@MouthlessChocomint 6 жыл бұрын

nha, that is the song from isi(limited english)

@tfallspark5104 6 жыл бұрын

sora takeshi Final Boss mixed with Mina's theme. Catchy.

@salem2455 5 жыл бұрын

13:58 Is it kiss or hug ? How .. why !!!

@tanasealexandru7784 5 жыл бұрын

Kiss you can see by how she grab samba that is a grabing when you kiss someone

@salem2455 5 жыл бұрын

@@tanasealexandru7784 Aren't they sister or am i missing something here @,@!!!!!

@nonnolento 5 жыл бұрын

Because smelly pirate want some sugar

@Lunar_Inferno 5 жыл бұрын

They're absolutely not related.

@ningensan8198 5 жыл бұрын

I was like wtf ! It felt forced and unnecessary !

@D_YellowMadness 3 жыл бұрын

Nice spoiler warning on a video where the thumbnail shows the starworm, the description says "starworm", the title says "Final Boss", & the title, description, & thumbnail spoil Mina's involvement. Good thing you saved people from all those spoilers.

@JorjIto12872 2 жыл бұрын

Why you see videos of the end whitout ending the game?

@Orphanlast 5 жыл бұрын

Totally not worth the secret ending. It adds nothing new.

@tylove7992 3 жыл бұрын

They literally ripped off Chrono Trigger's plot twist.

@Crazyoldman84 4 жыл бұрын

Finished this game recently I was mostly disappointed. If it didn't have trophies I wouldn't have bothered playing it as long as I did. Why make a game where you unlock most upgrades after you beat the game?

@holyX 5 жыл бұрын

The main thing which prevented this game from being a masterpiece is the developer's stubbornness to develop it all by himself. If he had a bit of Steve Jobs skills of bringing a vision to life with a team, imagine what he could've created with his amazing mind... But now we will have to wait another 7 years before he makes another game. In the span of 14 years and with a team, he could've made a richer and more polished Iconoclasts plus 5 other awesome games

@creamycoffee 5 жыл бұрын

But maybe he just wants to make games by himself. There is nothing wrong with that.

@metasprite5648 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe now that he made money he will make a game with a team? Kinda like Toby fox with deltarune. Can't wait till the other chapters come out.

@jimmyjenkins1907 5 жыл бұрын

eh, it might of been because he wanted to make a game with just his idea and he was worried that a team could get in his way or something? idk maybe he said something about it somewhere

@Ewinrhew 3 жыл бұрын

Oh shut up