Idaho victim's dad: Why is evidence being 'destroyed' before trial date?

Idaho victim's dad: Why is evidence being 'destroyed' before trial date? | Banfield

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7 ай бұрын

The University of Idaho is moving forward with tearing down the off-campus rental home where four students were fatally stabbed last year. Demolition of the King Road house in Moscow is set for the morning of Dec. 28. Steve Goncalves, the father of victim Kaylee Goncalves, joins "Banfield" with his response.
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@peppermintchai 7 ай бұрын

It's absolutely ridiculous that they're so eager to tear down a crime scene before there's even a trial date. It's all about $$$$$ for the school. Sickening

@agapelove2853 7 ай бұрын

Revolting 🤮

@margeburns9245 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely disgusting.

@pamelasmith6221 7 ай бұрын

The crime scene is long gone.

@lindashar7763 7 ай бұрын

It’s not a crime scene anymore

@d3rrick10493 7 ай бұрын

The investigation was extremely thorough. I see no need to keep that house standing. At this point it does nothing but stand as a symbol, and very negative one at that. The police, state police, and FBI examined the house. There is no other evidence to find. They essentially have Kohberger dead to rights already. And the other families don't disagree, only he does.

@joannemurdock7899 7 ай бұрын

Many, many people agree with Steve G, that house is part of the Investigation and Evidence , it needs to remain standing until after the trial is completely finished🙏🙏🙏🙏

@Karla-bf3cp 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely 100% agree with Steve! He wants justice for his child!

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

So he is being manipulated.. into giving in.. that its ok to buldoze the house.. because o hey .. they have so much evidence .. non of which has been shown.. Sounds like a complete Bull crap,.

@Karla-bf3cp 7 ай бұрын

@@49ersfan834 All due respect. I agree it's for the Four individuals butchered. If I'm not mistaken one was beaten so badly she was unrecognizable! I think that was Steve's daughter! He has the right to want the scene of the crime undisturbed.

@d3rrick10493 7 ай бұрын

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

@@49ersfan834 It is about his daughter and 3 other kids , its just that it seems .. Steve is the only one standing in position to even raise his voice. they have manipulated others into silence.

@susanbrown2578 7 ай бұрын

Wow, my last 8 years in law enforcement was in the evidence unit. Homicide evidence is never disposed of. Insane any evidence would be destroyed and the case isnt done. 🤔

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

What’s your thoughts on all of it as LE? Have you seen the timeline of the warrants/arrest? There was no time to even get anything back to have solid evidence? It’s like they got a possible name & started their investigation solely off that. Just in the footage released there’s so much strange activity in those hours. Cars, ppl walking around putting stuff in a dumpster & picking it up. I have so many issues here. This was my comment I posted below but I’d love all your takes. This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing.

@ETTwithBecky 7 ай бұрын

@@morningdove2438how bout Cilantro. Bro. That's what he was going to say. Lmao I've done it too. Give the man a break. Y'all forget he just lost his daughter. He owes nothing to anyone

@lilwigglesandleaves 7 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you! I watch a lot of true crime and this one by far is the most suspicious with so many red flags it makes your head spin!

@estrella5935 7 ай бұрын

@@ETTwithBeckywasn’t that a year ago?

@noracharles80 7 ай бұрын

This house needs to be preserved until after the trial. The University should understand as impracticable as it may be for them, this is for justice.

@michellesayers5346 7 ай бұрын

Police and DA shouldn't allow it they could stop it

@NPCHSN 7 ай бұрын

Are you gonna pay the mortgage on it?

@ratherhonestthanimpressive2175 7 ай бұрын

@@NPCHSNhow is the mortgage being paid if its torn down!? The state can afford to keep it up until this case is resolved

@d3rrick10493 7 ай бұрын

@hollyvanness6086 7 ай бұрын

The School doesn't own the house! Unless the Owner "donated" it.

@mr.giggles4995 7 ай бұрын

Someone in a position of power is hiding something...

@ChristieGoff-lj7om 7 ай бұрын

Absolutely truth

@christyl5481 7 ай бұрын

Yep, truth. I think the prosecution is trying to hide something that the house could reveal.

@user-jv8zj6nb6v 7 ай бұрын

Agreed. Who is it

@user-gt4ek3dv2w 7 ай бұрын

ex-military cop the lead of investigation- brett payne>. the whole case depends on him.!!! .. and his daddies both judges payne from 1s ad 2 district courts in that area

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

That town and that case stinks to high heaven.. who in the right mind would want to send their kids there to school.

@greenfairy4894 7 ай бұрын

God Bless Steve for standing up for his daughter. He has been one of the most involved parents and my heart goes out to him

@Katiekay. 7 ай бұрын

THE ONLY INVOLVED

@MPerry-dg1me 7 ай бұрын

@@Katiekay.The public has no idea if the other parents are deeply involved or not. Don't be a mook

@MTDPARK 7 ай бұрын

and Thank GOD for the UNQUIET mom of the GIlgo BEACH victims, if it werent for her SOOO many families would still NOT have answers, she had to know family history would become public and didnt care, she loved her daughter unconditionally

@d3rrick10493 7 ай бұрын

@ETTwithBecky 7 ай бұрын

@@d3rrick10493wouldn't you if you were trying to find the truth behind your child's brutal murder. Do you know that she was beaten unrecognizable? Stabbed over 50 times? I'd be just like Steve and I will continue backing this man and his family up. You don't like him. Who tf cares if you like him! He's fighting for his child! Do you have children. Now imagine. You can't. Because it's too horrible. Please think before you make comments. You could've stated your opinion without saying mean things like I don't like him. I'm so tired of hate in this sick world we live in

@mazie7952 7 ай бұрын

The house should not be destroyed until trial is over. He should raise hell with the other parents. This trial is taking way to long. Ridiculous

@user-jv8zj6nb6v 7 ай бұрын

Delay tactics by the defense 🙄 its awful 😖 house should remain till after trial 😴

@californiagrandma 7 ай бұрын

@@user-jv8zj6nb6vBoth prosecution and defense apparently want the house torn down.

@GingerCC-he8be 7 ай бұрын

Everyone is so afraid to go against the University, this is insane! He is right, this house is a huge piece of evidence and now being destroyed. So shady! The college "kids" have been surviving for a year without any breakdowns from seeing the house, they can last another year, or forever!

@kanchanandrew 7 ай бұрын

Uni shouldn’t threaten… instead should support the lives lost .., help to find the culprit.., and not pressurize to demolish the evidence… like what’s the hurry .. WHY

@NPCHSN 7 ай бұрын

Dude is so guilty and they have enough evidence to convict him. And, this is someone’s property. Did you wanna pay the mortgage on it for two straight years while it’s not making income? If so, step up.

@laurenmay2098 7 ай бұрын

@@NPCHSNnope, I don’t think so. They are saying they have enough to convict him, but we do not know that. How, how in the world he killed four people by himself with a knife? Left two witnesses alive? WTH? Something is very wrong about this case, period.

@a1c3c3u 7 ай бұрын

@@NPCHSN House is now owned by the University. You need to keep up before you open your mouth and sound stupid.

@nikkyro03 7 ай бұрын

@@NPCHSNthat house is paid for. There is no mortgage. The bank wouldnt have allowed it to just be demolished if they were financing it. The owners in colorado already just gave it to the university. But its weird how they just want to knock it down. It has nothing to do with concern for students alot of whom likely wont be in the area after they graduate. This isn't how major crime scenes are normally handled and its a huge red flag to me. But it has nothing to do with anyone being worried about the mortgage. There isnt one being paid.

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

Ethan Chapin family statements , and the fact they sent their other kids to the same school.. is just the most weird thing there is. that these people have no questions.. as to why their son died, how he died, who killed him.. that this does not occupy their mind is so weirdly unusual.

@noracharles80 7 ай бұрын

This family is not to be scrutinized for motive. They may have a peace in their hearts that some of us could never understand. Me included. My rage could not be held back. Be kind.

@ratherhonestthanimpressive2175 7 ай бұрын

IS IT TIME THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY STAND FIRM AROUND THE PROPERTY TO STOP THIS?!

@cianna2813 7 ай бұрын

I believe money is power and not justice for the 4 beautiful young adults who lost their lives

@marymckay7154 7 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more..so if BK is guilty (I think he is), then there are more than him with blood on their hands.

@Fat12219 7 ай бұрын

What 😢

@socialbutterfly4146 7 ай бұрын

You keep doing EXACTLY what you’re doing Steve!! Millions are with you on this!! THAT HOUSE NEEDS TO STAND!!!

@solocup555 7 ай бұрын

Massive amount???? 😂😂😂 They barely had enough for an arrest & the grand jury was underwhelmed bud. Keep fighting to keep the house up ....

@Steveee333df 7 ай бұрын

Amen. They barely had enough for an arrest

@michell5641 7 ай бұрын

Deep down he knows this is detrimental and you can tell by his face

@TruthNationUncensored 7 ай бұрын

If BK walks they have no crime scene to refer back to just in case so this is the stupidest decision I've seen made in any case. Ever.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

Right?! This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing.

@sundaychamberlain228 7 ай бұрын

He right why get rid of evidence before the trial. Look at murdach case the jury said when went to mosell and seen the murdet seen that did it for them

@dnoodle8142 7 ай бұрын

❤Steve yes. Let the house stand alone until the trial . It's important

@hollyvanness6086 7 ай бұрын

It evidentiary. Why hasn't someone done something to block the house being torn down?!!

@duecebiggalowe 7 ай бұрын

To destroy the house before the trial is absurd when more evidence can be collected. Saying "Just relax Steve" is like the fox guarding the hen house.

@scarlette7373 7 ай бұрын

why the rush⁉️ that is the burning question

@VampirusX 7 ай бұрын

The house could stay intact forever ... but at least till after the trail. The authorities in charge should be investigated on federal level BEFORE the 28th to prevent this scandal!

@scarlette7373 7 ай бұрын

@@VampirusX i agree 💯

@illusionisms 7 ай бұрын

Someone needs to help explain how it is that this interview with Kaylee’s father was done with compassion and care when the interview with Xana’s mother was conducted with heartless inquiring and very personal questions. Its sad to realize this news worthy station is not more concern about all the aspects of compassion which should be given to every person being interviewed. Because the interview of Cara on the very day after her daughter was found slaughtered to death was pressured into an interview on TV and was actually probed thru out the interview while Xana’s mother could barely keep herself together. It was horrible to watch. 😢

@scorpjess84 7 ай бұрын

Nobody above the campus?!? I'm SO confused why the rush to demolish..can there be a protest to not demolish???

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

Looks like that town is wrapped up in secrets and fear. Nobody dares to go against the powerful ones.. and they want the house gone. the whole town is scared to talk.. and i guess here it is.. they are telling Steve to just go along as well.. go with a chosen scenario.. common sense is not welcome.

@evemito 7 ай бұрын

"There's a whole other level of data being collected on people. " 🤔 am I the only one who caught that?

@jakinabrown6104 7 ай бұрын

Nope I caught it too is he saying there are others involved they know of?

@JLOinthecity 7 ай бұрын

what did that mean?

@pappa_rodger 7 ай бұрын

@@JLOinthecityhe’s alluding to other people’s involvement. He says people, he can’t be talking about the individual perp cause he referred to him as he earlier in the interview

@mb9543 7 ай бұрын

I figured it as they have a whole lot more info on BK...@@jakinabrown6104

@kimberlybeeson3613 7 ай бұрын

No! You are not the only one, last sentence he said and she cut him off. I had to listen to that over and over.

@Chiefs1511 7 ай бұрын

The footage he has seen…… who has showed him this? Massive amount of information? Whole other level of data being collected on people? This is crazy

@californiagrandma 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, how has Steve seen all this information he supposedly has seen?

@pappa_rodger 7 ай бұрын

@@californiagrandmahe hasn’t. It’s all just his usual BS

@jennmetts7 7 ай бұрын

I do remember they got ring camera footage from a neighbor the day it happened.

@georgiesimmons5924 7 ай бұрын

Something is not adding up why they would go destroy the home when it's the biggest piece of evidence a jury would need to see.

@ivyyoung521 7 ай бұрын

This is wrong in so many ways, do not destroy evidence till the case is closed. PERIOD

@user-kl1qn8yz5q 7 ай бұрын

Cover up.

@MidWestLife2022 7 ай бұрын

This is insane!!! The jurors will need to walk through that home. I thought this was already determined when the University threw the idea out there last year?! They wanted to demolish it immediately smh They are more worried about enrollments and the $$ as opposed to getting actual justice for students of their University. If I were these parents I'd be livid. This is a slap in the face to the families and the victims

@Dani-ICU-RN 7 ай бұрын

Yrs,Hete in Parkland,FL,, the MSD HS bldg is STILL STANDING. 5 years of freshmen have gone to the school and graduated passing that building several times a day there is no need to take this house down until the trial is over

@TimothyMcVay 7 ай бұрын

@Dani-ICU-RN I'm not trying to be that person but a school is different than a house... more difficult, and they have never torn schools down... I did think that section was torn down bc it was separated.. but it isn't typical for schools to be torn down for funding issues.

@SilentHillMyHome 7 ай бұрын

@@TimothyMcVay in Colombine High School they demolished the old cafeteria/library and built a new one. They left the old cafeteria and library as an open hall of reflection.

@MehIgotnothing 7 ай бұрын

Reminds me of UF and the aftermath of Rollings. We have palm trees planted off campus that was planted in their memory along with their names on a prominate graffiti wall beside the trees. The newer students that come to UF have no idea who they are, what the trees mean, or who Rollings was. In this case, you can bet your ass the university wants that house gone, so they can keep going like usual.

@bonniehowell9206 7 ай бұрын

@@TimothyMcVayI believe the Handyhook school was demolished, but agree that a public school would be more difficult

@petroonajourney3503 7 ай бұрын

The house should be preserved until after the trial has come to a conclusion.

@JaredLand 7 ай бұрын

Corruption is real

@VampirusX 7 ай бұрын

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

💯 This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! Don’t get me started on that little 3-4 inch step by Dylan’s door no stranger could see in the dark without knowing the home. It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing. Idk what’s going on but if it seems to involve the university, the Greek system or the local LE, something seems off almost all the time.

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

Yup 100% corruption is real.

@cantfindaname777 7 ай бұрын

If I was juror on a case where 4 college students were murdered.. I'd want to see the evidence for myself including going to the house. Do jurors not have the right to this evidence.. the house must go, yes. But after the trial.. this is so wrong to destroy evidence..

@bettyblue2089 7 ай бұрын

I send condolences for the victims and families , there is a lot being covered up,

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

I agree. big coverup and not because they want justice for the victims.

@lmcmalibu6787 7 ай бұрын

There is a difference between covering up and withholding information. LE is trying to keep evidence private so that they can convict the perp.

@noracharles80 7 ай бұрын

The reason to preserve it is so justice is done

@HTVpitbullHempTV 7 ай бұрын

I am with Steve! Super Sketchy that they are tearing it down & he is right to fight that

@d3rrick10493 7 ай бұрын

@hollyvanness6086 7 ай бұрын

The case isn't even over. Evidence should be preserved. No matter what. Ask any LE longtime Officer, or a Criminal Lawyer.

@funeralrep 7 ай бұрын

I agree with you 100%, Mr. Goncalves. The house is a vital piece of evidence and its presence and/or absence will be made a significant factor at trial…

@russellmohr9758 7 ай бұрын

I've asked many people what is the house evidence of and no one answers....You can't name one thing the house is evidence of.....The house has been cleaned...that right there keeps anything found now in the house as being admissible.....anyway, i know for a fact you can't explain how the house is a vital piece of evidence....and forget the stupid "the jury needs to walk thru the house"....the judge would never allow it to happen because theres no evidence in it that BK did it.....The trial isn't about all these stupid little points....Its about whether or not they have evidence that proves he was in the house ad he did the killings....His cars computer will prove he was not and did not do the killings.....it will tell us when the car doors were opened and closed......how fast it was going and when it was stopped and for how long

@ETTwithBecky 7 ай бұрын

@@russellmohr9758I can answer you sir. Do you not remember LE stating that this was a targeted event. Also sir, they didn't know if the victims were the target or the house. . Question answered

@russellmohr9758 7 ай бұрын

@@ETTwithBecky QUESTIONED ANSWERED??...HA!!...WHAT QUESTION DID YOU ANSWER??.....I HOPE YOU REALLY DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE!!??....HA!...WHAT THEY MEANT BY THAT, IS THAT IT WASN'T A RANDOM ACT..IT MEANS THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT TO KILL THEY WANTED TO KILL WHOEVER WAS IN THAT SPECIFIC HOUSE....SO AGAIN TELL ME HOW THAT HOUSE IN ANY WAY, CAN PROVE IF BK IS INNOCENT OR GUILTY.....THE ANSWER YOU GAVE IS SO SILLY THAT I DON'T HAVE WORDS FOR IT....HECK IF YOU COULD EVEN TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE HOUSE WAS TARGETED....NOW LETS SAY IT BURNT DOWN AND THE 4 KIDS DIED IN THE FIRE ,THEN YES ,THAT MIGHT SHOW THE HOUSE WAS TARGETED ,BUT EVEN THEN THE HOUSE WOULDN'T BE EVIDENCE EXCEPT TO PROVE IT WAS ARSON OR NOT AND ONCE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IT WOULDN'T BE CALLED EVIDENCE AYMORE....NOW GIVE ME A REAL,GROWN UP ANSWER TO THE QUESTION...DING BAT ANSWERES ARE A DIME A DOZEN

@madisonbaxter9906 7 ай бұрын

I don’t understand why they are sooooo hard pressed to demolish the main piece of evidence in the case. I’m not a conspiracy theorist about this case-but that doesn’t sit right with me at all. Also, I believe they should have left a lot of the furniture etc for the jury to see, like they did in the Parkland trial.

@kanchanandrew 7 ай бұрын

All those in favour of getting the crime destroyed the house demolished… are totally out of their mind …, the victims didn’t even get the justice.., those 4 lives didn’t cost anything.., Steve don’t listen to people do what you feel think is right … it’s your child you lost ., we are with you . And it’s a brutal brutal crime..

@darlahurst7636 7 ай бұрын

How many times do they ever tear down a house where evidence is at?... Never

@darlahurst7636 7 ай бұрын

That house is evidence....needs to stay where it is at not tore down

@Saryfairy921 7 ай бұрын

Would a petition from the public be viable?

@cantfindaname777 7 ай бұрын

It's all about the money 🤑 💰 what a greedy college..

@ZeCahli 7 ай бұрын

That house needs to STAND until this trial is properly finished, and all guilty parties are arrested and charged.

@dannypinyan3949 7 ай бұрын

The only reason they wanna knock the house down. It's all about money.

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

Money and coverup.

@Gracie994 7 ай бұрын

Bottom line is that evidence should not be destroyed.

@M.Miller5228 7 ай бұрын

I agree with Steve why tear down the house? Steve is fighting for his daughter's memory. Keep fighting Steve!

@Chaseh1616 7 ай бұрын

The level of secrecy in this case is bullshit!

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

Can we imagine the secrets they are actually trying to cover up .. because its obvious they are .

@lauiresmallwood885 7 ай бұрын

This is disgusting to allow this house to come down!

@TheRingoKid 7 ай бұрын

There are multiple people involved in this murder and the truth will come out watch and see in my opinion!!

@angelaburns2082 7 ай бұрын

They want it down because Bryan is being framed for this

@Canyouseeanypartofme 7 ай бұрын

🤣🤣 Anne isn’t objecting so

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

yup..

@sunnydelight5255 7 ай бұрын

2:35 Wow he’s right. The house is needed for all kinds of purposes.

@spencerburrows6260 7 ай бұрын

Any future jury should be able to visit and physically see the crime scene. Its a bad idea to remove the house before the trial imo 😕

@echoecho1913 7 ай бұрын

This whole thing is a cover up. No other reason to destroy the house before trial. They tried to tear it down in July. But it was halted. It needs to be halted this time too !!

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

Yes. This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing.

@californiagrandma 7 ай бұрын

I wonder why defense is ok with the house being demolished.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

@@californiagrandma apparently they agreed & I can’t fathom why. I do know Anne Taylor is also well connected in this town but I truly hope she’s doing an entire investigation of her own bc this whole this makes zero sense

@echoecho1913 7 ай бұрын

He may or may not be guilty or involved at least. But, getting rid of evidence, if there is any. Is an absolutely stellar way of creating reasonable doubt. Could be why the defense doesn't seem to be pushing back. The prosecution must achieve a 12/12 unanimous verdict in a DP case.

@echoecho1913 7 ай бұрын

@@bambooprincess3495 I don't care if the house stays or goes. I'm most certain the property will be demolished. Aside from the traumatic circumstances of the family and community. It's virtually a worthless piece of property now. I was thinking from a trial perspective.

@jobikanobi 7 ай бұрын

I love the way she throws out one person's name and says "well she's ok with-it Steve" I feel for all these families put what does it matter what someone else thinks? He is telling you he doesn't like it. Why is that anymore wrong or right than any of the others parent's thoughts. It's just how they feel about it, there is no right or wrong answer from that standpoint. more>> But from the police going in the house over and over again to clean it up. And the FBI going back in last week so they could say, "HEY LOOK WHAT WEE FOUND!" is pure BS and there isn't a soul that thinks otherwise. The Media has been bought off by someone and they keep pounding a ridiculous theory and timeline. At this point the powers that be are grinding us all down until we no longer have any fight left. I will pray hard for families tonight.

@agapelove2853 7 ай бұрын

@@bambooprincess3495 Yes yes and yes Ethans parents are not the only grieving parents Seem Ethan parents moved on quickly from Ethan’s heinous demise In which is bothersome in mine heart

@laurenmay2098 7 ай бұрын

Steve, you are so right, fight for your kid.

@theecherokeerose 7 ай бұрын

what SG describes sounds more like somebody driving a get-a-way car that perhaps arrived a little too early for transporting the perps from the scene or the perps were taking longer than what was planned. Or it sounds like somebody very curious who knew in advance what was supposed to transpire in the early morning hours of Nov 13. Somebody making a 3 point turn-around in the east Queen Apts parking lot and again on Queen Rd. in front of 1122 doesn't seem like somebody very familiar with the crime scene area. It looks more like somebody looking for an address they can't find - which isn't surprising when addresses on Queen Rd are labeled as being on King Rd.

@drkarenswrld 7 ай бұрын

If the prosecution is so confident, the house should stay.

@deeevans5342 7 ай бұрын

Allegedly there is something to hide in that house which is loads of Evidence. The judge should let the jury go through that house and see what was done and let them be the judge of this horrible crime.

@tylerbensdad 7 ай бұрын

It's insane that the state would allow this place to be destroyed before the trial is over. It just gives a good lawyer too many opportunities to create doubt about the evidence.

@jordanthomas2010 7 ай бұрын

I don’t think that they have a choice

@realist3530 7 ай бұрын

How can they tear down the crime scene of a huge murder spree when the trial hasn't even started?! - The people doing this are either STUPID or hiding something. The 4 slain victims might be gone, but they are not forgotten and they deserve justice! - They told the dad to chill?! Wth?! How apathetically disrespectful!

@jennmetts7 7 ай бұрын

The jury needs to be able to walk the street, behind the home, the yard, and inside the home. I feel this is the right thing to do for both sides to have an honest and fair trial.

@angied1628 7 ай бұрын

If this isn’t proof of a cover up, I don’t know what is

@MrW582 7 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing as Steve it is not about what is inside the house, it's around the outside of the property that can't be replicated, to actually stand there or park there to see what he could see and who he could see ect the jury need to walk it at night time to get a feel how hidden someone would be behind the property

@rosekinnison4724 7 ай бұрын

If this house is coming down its time to set a date for trial and also lift the gag order. I would hate to be a juror on this case. Where is the justice and the real truth abouth is case. Praying for the families as they deal with this. RIP Kaylee Maddie Xana and Ethan

@MitchellMaichak-ze7mr 7 ай бұрын

WHO has the authority to order the destruction of this evidence , and what is their real purpose ?!?!?!

@John-tj4up 7 ай бұрын

The U of I has the authority. They are the owners.

@toithomas4560 7 ай бұрын

The Judge could

@toithomas4560 7 ай бұрын

@@bambooprincess3495 stop the demolition. Both sides seem to be ok with it but the judge could stop it if he wants to.

@Chad_Max 7 ай бұрын

Once law enforcement has collected all the forensic evidence, the house goes back to the owner. The owner can then decide what to do with it. In this situation, the owner is now the University and they want to get rid of it asap bc it hurts enrollment…

@John-tj4up 7 ай бұрын

@@toithomas4560 not true.

@HotOneRecordz 7 ай бұрын

Everyone should be calling the prosecution and the university to help this man fight for his daughter and the rest of the kids who fell victim to this evil monster. Leave the property alone until the case has concluded.

@serena9543 7 ай бұрын

He was told he was an agressive father?? I would be doing the same thing. I think it should not be destroyed out of respect for victims. to give the jury full picture even if they have enough.

@lynettekrick2324 7 ай бұрын

I agree with Steve. Destroying the house is a mistake, in my opinion. If I were a juror, I would want to go to the location because of how different it is. I pray that all goes well and justice is served for these beautiful people. ❤❤❤

@lynnmarble8456 7 ай бұрын

Why the defense agreed to this is beyond me. If there was EVER a murder scene that should be available for the jury to tour, it's THIS one.

@greenfairy4894 7 ай бұрын

It seems sketchy that they would remove evidence

@Pedronqr 7 ай бұрын

If I’m a Jury I don’t care how strong the prosecution case is. I need to go to the crime scene. I need to be there and try to recreate the prosecution version and compare it to the defense version. Destroying the house just adds one more layer of doubt to this case.

@designstudio8013 7 ай бұрын

As I said before there's got to be an enormous amount of evidence that doesn't involve the house for it to be torn down. BK was probably captured behind the wheel and some of his circling the property and sitting in certain places watching the rear and the front of the house during that time of the crime. But I would still keep the house intact and maybe cover it with tarps.

@davidclayton3831 7 ай бұрын

Data being collected and compiled on other people...interesting🤔

@pbwi9756 7 ай бұрын

God bless you, Steve. I pray that the house stays up until the trial is over.🙏

@Candiedmickey 7 ай бұрын

No what?? Absolutely not this house NEEDS to remain until after the trial!! What if them destroying a MAIN piece of evidence is enough for some type of appeal?? This is crazy!! Imagine destroying the weapon before the trial and telling jurors oh here's a picture or website, just trust us!!!" ABSOLUTELY NOT

@suzisandpiper 7 ай бұрын

I'm concerned there may be a conflict between what prosecution and defence say about all sorts of points I can think of, and the jury won't be able to view the scene. I've been involved in 3 trials where a view was requested and really helped. I guess it's not just about healing the student community but about the cost of keeping it up and under security 😢

@laurenmay2098 7 ай бұрын

Well, I sure know in New York City, after 9/11, there were nothing else the reminded the attack destroyed to help the citizens to heal it. This is such a bs. They can absolutely covered the entire corner where that house is and no one will see a thing. But they rather destroy it.

@nicob2063 7 ай бұрын

It also seems to be related to the universities image... they want it gone to not "worry" prospective students, which is in the end about $$$ and not doing the right thing and waiting until after the trial when justice has been served before tearing it down!!

@shabbykat273 7 ай бұрын

The IU President's house overlooks the house. I think it's a case of it being an unsightly and uncomfortable reminder.

@americanprincess851 7 ай бұрын

Also Maizie and Hunter Chapin are still part of Greek Life on U of I campus and the house can be seen from the Greek Houses on U of I campus.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

Maybe the president is shady? Someone in the town is either shady or there’s power & control involved. I don’t feel comfortable w the university, the Greek system or the local PD. They’re not doing right by the victims.

@shabbykat273 7 ай бұрын

@@Susiehighschool I’ll take “All of the above” for $200!

@pappa_rodger 7 ай бұрын

'Watch NN for unbiased content’ Banfield couldn’t be more biased if she tried lol

@mrsentinel4911 7 ай бұрын

Notice how quiet John Judge is at this time. Will the Risk Management force John Judge to moon walk his way out of that courthouse?

@IdahoFourRevealed 7 ай бұрын

Cover-up

@deb2762 7 ай бұрын

Maybe because the car you are referring to is the MSP undercover

@claire-christmas-august73 7 ай бұрын

$1,000,000 question.! 🤔 who authorised this.? why.? benefits of removal.? so…. many questions.! 🥺🕯🕯🕯🕯🥺 #justice #truthseekersunite #answerstoqurstions ✌🏻🌏🇦🇺🤘🏻

@Kevlar333 7 ай бұрын

Highly coveted realestaste ?? Can’t imagine why the school owns it now so they should not be tearing it down but idk

@Silence_Duder_Gooder 7 ай бұрын

It's no longer the $1,000,000 question; it's the $1,250,000 question-inflation.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

@jennygirl8849 7 ай бұрын

When we see the Police Chief himself, boxing up and moving out the victims' personal belongings, and he's the one driving the uhaul van.🙄 Is he going to rent and operate the heavy equipment to tear down the house with all its evidence and secret basement, too? He's so helpful. He's under someone's thumb! What a convoluted and contrived mess! Maybe this horrible crime has brought attention to more criminal activity that would expose some "big boys". I ache for the parents, I can't imagine the pain they must be feeling. 😢

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

Exactly!! This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing.

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

I do not think these parents will get the truth of justice, as it is .. lies and patsy. Horrible little town.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

@@georgewashington3555 it sadly doesn’t look like it

@lllmillll 7 ай бұрын

Why did they clean it so fast ? Why did the police remove stuff so fast ? They botched this case from the beginning. Now destroying the house . Sick .

@catherineloren 7 ай бұрын

definitely a cover up going on you cant tell me different

@wcz61 7 ай бұрын

Let me ask if the prosecution has so much why are they not moving forward with the trial date. I hate to say it but I feel differently I think they have nothing. Now I want justice no doubt, but also want the right person held accountable.

@mb9543 7 ай бұрын

Cause its not up to prosecution...

@falconquest2068 7 ай бұрын

@@mb9543 Absolutely correct!

@ministryofungentlemanlywarfare 7 ай бұрын

You're not serious right? The Prosecution was ready to go for the original trial date. It's the Defence dragging their feet.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

@@ministryofungentlemanlywarfareno the defense is forcing them to delay bc they’re on the 10th plus request for the info they asked for BEFORE the speedy trial date that is just basic factual required documentation to be given in the judicial system. The defense is privy to everything the prosecution has but they keep refusing it so you have it backwards respectfully

@Queen_Mamacita 7 ай бұрын

He is exactly correct about needing the house to understand what Bryan was looking at from his different parking positions.

@AriArcher 7 ай бұрын

Banfield is not very intelligent. She sounds so ignorant about this case.

@XyraSelene 7 ай бұрын

😔 this shouldn’t be done. Everyone who has been inside that house has said picture/videos/drone models are not representative. This is a real loss in justice. There’s no going back after this, guys.

@Leah_F. 7 ай бұрын

I stand with Steve!! Very smart man, & a wonderful dad!

@corinne8906 7 ай бұрын

Supporting this Father and how he feels. I totally feel this is house coming down before a trial is not a good idea, anything could come up in the trial that again not a technology could really do as a house is more real way to work it through answers

@VampirusX 7 ай бұрын

He asks the right questions! I guess the state thinks, that the collected evidence will be enough to convict him. But they take so much from the jury and the prosecutors. The jur should see the inside because at the end of the day they are the most important people in this case to convict this monster.

@addisperez8205 7 ай бұрын

I agree because no virtual model is going to compare to the experience of actually doing a walk through. They won't get to see the distance between the rooms and from the bedrooms to the kitchen sliders. They won't get to go down the stairs and hear the creaking of the stairs. They won't get to stand in that parking lot while looking at the house to get a feeling of how the victims were being watched.

@VampirusX 7 ай бұрын

@@addisperez8205 I really would like to know what the reasoning might be. No one would cover something up for this murder. I don't see anything in regards to a conspiracy. I think it's plain and simple... it's a college town and they want to get through it as fast as possible! Demolishing the house keeps the "wrong" people away. But I guess not TOO many people visited moscow because of this tragedy.

@Silence_Duder_Gooder 7 ай бұрын

The only other time we witnessed this type of moving or destroying of evidence was shortly after 9.11.01.

@falconquest2068 7 ай бұрын

@@bambooprincess3495 How do you know that?

@falconquest2068 7 ай бұрын

@@addisperez8205 How do you know they were being watched? So many people make assumptions about this case without looking at facts. Show me evidence they were being watched.

@teresab126 7 ай бұрын

Justice for Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, Ethan and families ❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻

@turnerification123 7 ай бұрын

When is that so called judge going to set a trial date!!!!! So these people can rest

@thebandvia 7 ай бұрын

Maybe due to Scott Green? Better for business. He is President of University of Idaho + 1122 is his child hood home.

@user-gt4ek3dv2w 7 ай бұрын

do you think WHY Idaho judges are not having the Trial date yet? and they ever will. Do you think why Not prosecutor neither the "Defense" filed the LIST of ALL RELEVANT Witnesses for the Trial? bcz they do not want Dylan/Bethany to testify against latah cops ..

@russellmohr9758 7 ай бұрын

OK HOW IS IT SG ISN'T BEING ARRESTED FOR VIOLATING THE GAG ORDER??

@eag7agt664 7 ай бұрын

Is there full video footage of every inch of the house?

@laurenmay2098 7 ай бұрын

Why the students don’t protest against the demolition? They can’t be that traumatized, c’mon. Kids are in campus protesting against the war Israel and Gaza and can’t do it for an American cause? Holy shit!

@pappa_rodger 7 ай бұрын

Phone pings don’t put him in the area let alone at the house

@evaleo2080 7 ай бұрын

Phone pings have a 27 sq mile radius. Not valid evidence

@andyhunter5869 7 ай бұрын

@@evaleo2080his phone pinged that tower in Moscow from his own apartment.

@devonglide1830 7 ай бұрын

@@evaleo2080 Cell towers detect direction (they're not simple omnidirectional antenna, they sophisticated network equipment with directional beaming), and they also measure signal strength and ping (among other data). They may not be pinpoint accurate, but your assertion that they have a 27sq mile margin of error is ridiculous.

@Canyouseeanypartofme 7 ай бұрын

His phone wasn’t even on so 🤣

@georgeiuliu1069 7 ай бұрын

They actually do these aren't flip phones we talking about all these new smart phones have GPS on them...when you go on your phone maps and put in directions to an address your starting point is right where u are it's common sense to many wannabe detectives with no common sense these days..the only people who would try to make that argument are defense attorneys because that's there job..I can't wait till trial starts and the evidence is gonna come out at the exact locations he was and prove people wrong

@thebandvia 7 ай бұрын

Few questions: Does Scott Green also live so close to 1122 that every time he drives out of his current driveway on his way to work at the University of Idaho-he looks over and sees 1122? If so, no wonder it will be removed. Not a good look or start to anyones day. Who owned 1122 at the time of the tragedy? Who donated 1122 to the University of Idaho after this tragedy? Who owned the white Elantra found abandoned with plates removed in Oregon-when the world was looking for white elantras everywhere?

@yvonneadams9334 7 ай бұрын

Dan Estey prior owner of 1122 King Rd. Also owns 1118, 1126,1127 king rd.

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

Exactly. This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! Don’t get me started on that little 3-4 inch step by Dylan’s door no stranger could see in the dark without knowing the home. It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing. Idk what’s going on but if it seems to involve the university, the Greek system or the local LE, something seems off almost all the time.

@KjSaidSo 7 ай бұрын

Is there a petition to STOP this from happening? If so please link it

@janisreasnor8687 7 ай бұрын

I have not seen or heard proof BK did those murders or if he did, he was alone in doing the murders. I still do not understand how the murder or murders got out of the house without a blood trail, especially as fast as LE believed it to happen. How do those 2 survivors who ignored their 4 friends being slaughtered know the murderer didn't spend more time in the house than what DM knew, after all she closed her door & BF too then those 2 girls slept for 8 hours?! I can't believe DM opening her door over & over apparently during the murders did not smell all the blood! Why did she not see fresh wet blood on the masked man in black with bushy eyebrows if she could see him that closely, nor smell the blood he was most likely covered in by then, if he was the murderer or was he the male voice DM heard say, I'm here to help? What if there was a 2nd person there to help the murderer? What if when the white car 1st appears it dropped off someone then came back abt 4 AM when the doordash delivery took place, I still think it's odd all the loud noises started immediately after the doordash delivery it's like that's when the murderer got in the house, then the white car starts it's circling again likes it's waiting on someone to come out & finally parks to go get the person! If the rumors are true BF saw a naked man & DM saw the man in black it could be the reason, there were 2 ppl involved & 1st news reports by the Chief they were looking for 2 ppl not just 1! Those 2 adult surviving roommates were not children & their lack of being responsible inside that home by not doing what they should have done by calling 911, not their friends caused that scene to be totally contaminated before LE ever arrived on the scene! Plus the knife sheath with only touch DNA on the inside of the snap + it want seen for 4 hours it took Payne to get there at 4 PM to easily see it from Maddie's bedroom doorway makes no sense! Who was documenting those murder scenes for abt 4 hours, that's what should have been happening immediately, video documentation & to me it sure seems that knife sheath should have been seen way earlier than 4 PM, read the PCA & with all the stitching, small rivet holes & the deep sheath where the knife goes in the sheath it would be hard to wipe off DNA! LE should never have touched that scene, except for removing bodies, until this trial was over, because all LE did was contaminate the scenes more & removed all evidence + BK's attorney should be demanding the documented video of Maddie's bedroom before Payne arrived, that does not even sound believable! I could understand when they 1st stated the knife sheath wasn't found at 1st due to the bloody scene & made it sound as if it wasn't found till the bodies were removed, then to find out that was not true & it was laying where it could easily be seen & apparently no blood on it! + 3 more unknown male DNA found , 2 inside & the black glove ! Why would LE not care to know whose DNA those belonged to?! LE & the University wanted this shut up fast, they found the knife sheath & totally quit investigating these murders wanting it shut up, because those College ppl were scared!

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

100% This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing.

@ovninicole 7 ай бұрын

I Agree it’s horrible it’s like they don’t even care about the victims

@georgewashington3555 7 ай бұрын

They certainly do not regard them or treat them as #1 concern.

@janajacob113 7 ай бұрын

That house is evidence!There is someone who is wanting it torn down!A jury has a right to go through that house and see the lay out and were each one was killed .I personally can not get a feeling of a house on a blue prints or diagrams etc.I have to be in it to understand the layout!My father by the way loved being on jury duty .He however said he could not figure the layout of mine and my husbands home.Our home was a 3 story beach house.The first or bottom floor had a bedroom ,bathroom and living area that led out to a screeed in porch.The second level had the main living room,kitchen,1/2 bath and dinning room.The 3rd top floor had 3 bed rooms .Master with ensuit and 2 other bedrooms and a bathroom. If my father was on that jury he would have to walk through the house to understand it.Side note you can not hear anything from upstairs if you are on the lowest floor!

@Susiehighschool 7 ай бұрын

Yes & we have heard that even the photos misrepresent how small some of the spaces really are & also I can’t get my mind off that little 4 inch step by Dylan’s room. How would a stranger not trip over that in the dark without knowing the house? I’ve been in a new place for almost a year and still have a step that trips me up! This is absolutely insane. The house was donated so nobody is losing money. The push for this is a giant red flag. Just like pulling out all the belongings in uhaul trucks right away to give to the families before there was a chance a defense or more information may give need for more thorough investigation. I would have liked & would STILL like a 3rd party forensics team to go over that house with a fine tooth comb! Only THREE unidentified male dna samples present? In a house that’s had a constant rotation of tenants year after year? IMPOSSIBLE!! And they didn’t even test the other three!!! Not even what if they have it wrong, what if there’s an accomplice?? EIGHT MINUTES w no real shoe prints or blood in other parts of the house.. only 133 pieces of evidence with considering EVERYTHING they have to get for 4 victims & 2 survivors? We know they didn’t bother w the trash can outside, the ladder, the screen off the window, the jacket or glove outside… they did not give a thorough & proper investigation for this scene & we know it just from the photos from the media through the windows of them breaking all kinds of forensic protocols! THATS why they shouldn’t have pulled a single thing out of that house and most importantly it should still be standing until Trial is over. They have this man pinned down to a tiny window & how can any juror know how easy/impossible that might be without going to park in the back, walk inside, go up the stairs & back down, see where Dylan would have stood & the view she had from the door or out her window & like Steve mentions, what can be seen & from where! It’s such an injustice to these kids & also any defendant (doesn’t matter who) that has a right to innocence until proven otherwise. Everyone should be outraged bc it could have been any of our kids in the house or any of our kids being arrested here & we know the entire investigation was one of the most botched we have seen! They didn’t even go out to collect video footage until nearly a month when most LE investigations would have to know it’s going to be recorded over or not saved. What they got was mostly brought to them. That’s a basic first priority & if they couldn’t even do that… if they could fully clear people in a few hours, we all know something isn’t right here & this is just one more thing.

@lisabyers2992 7 ай бұрын

If this happened to one of my children I would be exactly like Kaylee’s parents!

@noracharles80 7 ай бұрын

My rage could not be held at bay. These families, in their grief, should be admired. Each and every family of these four are to be commended for their control. Be kind.

@CaliforniasGoldCoast 7 ай бұрын

There should be a public petition that would show the public outcry of injustice for the victims. My sincere condolences to the victims families and friends + + + + R.I.P.💔💔💔💔