IDENTIFYING GRASS SPECIES | BENT vs FESCUE vs RYE | IS YOUR LAWN READY FOR SPRING | Lawn Association
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2 жыл бұрынIt's only right that on St Patricks Day 2022 we talk about the greenest plant that covers the plant and how to identify what grasses are in your lawn! Understand how each species of grass works and how to identify what you have in your lawn. Bent, Fescue or Rye, what's in yours? Let us know!
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@mstar011 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos, the most informative YT lawn videos i seen for UK lawns.
@richardbarker4706 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video..there’s such a push on social media of 100% rye grass..thank you
@stephenwilliamson6118 2 жыл бұрын
What a great video, I hear so many people talking about grass types on here. You have made it really straight forward. I have been overseeing with a bent fescue for the last three years and they are really good. An excellent demonstration for the stolon. Thank you for the great advice, stay safe 👍🏻
@Lawn-Mechanic Жыл бұрын
Where did you get your seed from?
@jeremyminns5627 2 жыл бұрын
My seed mix is at the ready this season great new content thank you.👍
@inderjitsandhu4332 2 жыл бұрын
Great video many thanks
@ccikara 3 ай бұрын
Great video
@grahammacklam4736 2 жыл бұрын
All the 100% ryegrass folks should really watch this video to hear the other side of the story when all they are being told is one side mainly due to social media. I was even told not to bother with fescue grass because I would need to scarify and topdress every few weeks to keep on top of the thatch. Thankfully I knew this to be very exaggerated and if aerated and fertilised organically, the soil microbes would do some of this for me. Lastly my truegrass I purchased earlier in the year was put down the weekend and with the rain yesterday even after 5 days is starting to colour up wonderfully.
@lawnassociation Жыл бұрын
True Graham. Ryegrass makes companies a lot more money. Having to seed every year has a BIG carbon footprint, as rye does anyway. It has less thatch because it has less grass. It has no root system so nothing happening to increase the rhizosphere (what??? 🙂 Its a replaceable grass or as we call it, failed lawn care. Thatch is purely down to failing soils. Good soils dont have thatch as you can see they digest it, naturally. If you have thatch, work the soils. As rye has no roots, the soils cant ever establish that starting point.
@grahammacklam4736 Жыл бұрын
@Lawn Association I do find it strange how much some scarify a rye lawn when it usually hardly produces any thatch. All they remove is leaf from the base. Also the conditions in which rye thrives (high fertiliser and water) are the same in which poa annua thrives in too. Poa is usually found in high levels every spring in these lawns.
@lawnassociation Жыл бұрын
@@grahammacklam4736 well said Graham. Rye lawns fail. Full stop. They look good for 4 or 5 months at best, sometimes requiring one or two renovations per year. They make companies a lot of money, hence why lawn companies (uneducated) choose this template. However, they wont be so lucky in the SW as they have a hose ban all year and that will eventually happen more often than not all across the UK. Its a matter of time. Also, the same will happen with herbicides. Its just about those who dont know, having to fix a 'failed' lawn every year. Its the opposite of what we call expertise, I'm afraid
@A_Train 6 ай бұрын
@6:19 That is the perfect name! 😂😂 Looks funny but gets the job done.
@GW._. 2 жыл бұрын
Smooth stalk meadow grass is my preferred grass I have 100% ssmg. Hard to get established but worth it.
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
It’s beautiful if you have it but tricky as you say. But like a carpet if successful
@jonathangorman1873 2 жыл бұрын
I think I can help answer the question of why lawn enthusiasts tend to towards (dwarf) rye grasses. It's because many of the KZfaqrs promote the use of rye grasses and then the "disciples" of these KZfaqrs encourage the practice further through the various FaceBook communities. I'm basing this on my own personal experience and what I've observed over the last couple of years of becoming a lawn enthusiast myself. When I first started I fell for the rye grass hype too - and got some reasonable results with it too - initially. But as a I got deeper into things I began to realise the benefits of our natural varieties. Then, not so long ago, I signed up for the Lawn Association on-line course, and that helped solidify my thinking and I'm now fully on-board with the native grasses.
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear Jonathan. It’s about nurturing nature…. Let it work for you!! 👏👏👍👍
@richardbarker4706 2 жыл бұрын
I renovated last year with 100% rye and after winter I’ve regretted it as whilst the colour is still there..it’s got a lot of bare patches..the lawn is in half shade until around May time..looking to over seed with a fescue/rye mix once the temperatures rise
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardbarker4706 fescues are best shade tolerant. Rye does work and is suitable for many but they are hard work and take effort
@andrewb12000 18 күн бұрын
So is bent grass seed the best then if I want a nice thick lawn that I can mow nice and short in the summer and have it survive the winter best?
@BLRayBanUK 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely criminal this channel doesn't have more subscribers. Invaluable information. Thankyou!
@andrewpalmer5765 2 жыл бұрын
Interested in what seed type you would use for a part of my lawn that is on a slope? The issue also is it’s wet because it’s in the shade so not sure a shade mix would work? Keep the great videos coming. 👍
@lawnassociation 2 жыл бұрын
Id suggest using what is already growing there well which will be fescue more likely....
@markwaters6751 2 жыл бұрын
Most the bent mixtures i see is for greens etc, that the right one for normal lawns? Great video
@lawnassociation 2 жыл бұрын
bent is native hence why its used on fine turf. Seed is for anywhere at any height. Bent is a 'gap filler'. Let it do the work rather than over-seeding all the time....
@andrewcorrie8936 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Is the stoloniferous grass you have creeping bentgrass? I think I have a lot of that in my lawn; needs verticutting and mowing otherwise you end up with a lot of brown stolons which can disfigure the lawn. On the whole, my lawn looks like a marbleed-top: umpteen different types from ryegrass, fine fescue, tall fescue, stoloniferous, pao annua... you name it.
@lawnassociation 2 жыл бұрын
All bents grow stoloniferously however, creeping goes much faster. Verti cutting was designed for bents so when people use rye it’s a fairly pointless task.. Brown stolons will point to not enough vertical cutting and soils not working as well as they should be
@Lawn-Mechanic Жыл бұрын
Where’s the best place to get a more dominant bent, bent and fescue mix? Amazing education looking forward to the future
@lawnassociation Жыл бұрын
thank you. TBH, not many make this in a lawn spec but its the most native we have. Its often (misleading) to be called golf or bowling green or luxury lawn but the grass people should do something. We may launch our own if no-one will bring back to the market :-)
@leeh6816 2 жыл бұрын
Great informative video. The only one I’ve found like it. Brilliant. Could do without the music in the background though (personal choice of course)
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll pass the advice on Lee….
@stephenwilliamson6118 2 жыл бұрын
I like the music 👍🏻
@desdas3941 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to make video on to grow lawn from scratch. Steps involve.
@lawnassociation 2 жыл бұрын
We will for sure Des, as soon as time...:-)
@TiNiB 2 жыл бұрын
So what seed mix would you recommend and by which company?
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
A lot depends on what type of lawn you want to maintain. A normal native blend is 80/20 fescue bent ( that’s plenty of bent of course) Depends on how successful bent germination is over fescue ( timing is key for bent) but also soil ph, drainage, soil composition and much more. Personally I’ve been using the grass people seed for decades….you can choose 100% bent as well… so many choices depending on what you want to create
@katcraigthomsen3429 2 жыл бұрын
im a new lawn pro and Rye heavily used by most due to ease of establishment even when it gets a bit cold. Would you recommend the blends say 70% rye (keep em happy) with some fine/bent. Will this develop over time to a fine lawn?
@lawnassociation 2 жыл бұрын
I would say why the rye in the first place? It will add competition but also take away energy and light from bents and fescue's. It would annoy you being there in the end as it would grow so much faster (upwards not outwards) so would require mowing more often just to keep tidy....
@katcraigthomsen3429 2 жыл бұрын
@@lawnassociation thanks for the reply! I guess the main reason its heavily used (alone and in mixtures) when establishing new lawns is speed of establishment and performance in lower soil temperatures (not everyone can be seeded at ideal time professionally )
@canalboating Жыл бұрын
Hi new subscriber here, I want to change my lawn from ryegrass, would a 100% bent be better than a fescue bent mix?
@lawnassociation Жыл бұрын
It is a more beautiful lawn mix when managed well but the fescue germinating a bit earlier can be helpful in aiding the bent seed, which needs a bit more temps than were getting now (unless you use grow sheets) And it will slow the meadow grass ingression far better. Far better....if thats a thing for anyone :-)
@kBasti4511 2 ай бұрын
@Lawn Association Is there a specific bent grass type or mixture with bent you would recommend? Except creeping bentgrass, which comes in on it's own like the poa...
@lawnassociation 2 ай бұрын
we use a bent species in our mix, which is far better for most lawn mixes. Golf uses highland and browntop which are more suited for intensively managed and close mown lawns. Creeping bentgrass can be good if you want a real bowls green effect.
@kBasti4511 2 ай бұрын
@@lawnassociation i just wondered about the differences in Agrostis stolonifera and capillaris, and which to prefer? Thanks.
@lawnassociation 2 ай бұрын
@@kBasti4511 not enough for even the most skilled to worry about, especially on lawns. We prefer most bent varieties...
@mstar011 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to let native grass take over your lawn? i created a lawn from scratch using fescue/rye mix. Is the idea just leave it and let it suffer/regenerate themselves so they are self producing and heal from environment conditions?
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
To a degree they will but it often depends on how fast that happens. Sometimes you may need to help it along but with careful vertical cutting, scarifying and mowing, they definitely will come in
@thesugarlipslove 2 жыл бұрын
hi david, assuming that you have a rye grass lawn, how easy is it to introduce bent grass into it? is it a simple overseed or do you need to remove what is already there? many thanks
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
It’s very tricky to a point. We will be showing grass seeds soon so we can identify but the bent seed is very tiny and as rye grows so fast it often blocks out light and stops successfully over seeding
@thesugarlipslove 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhedges-gower4762 after doing a few minutes research, i also see that there are actually a few bent species available (eg hurrells do three). they all seem to spread to a certain degree, so would it matter which was used, or is it better to use the stolonifera?
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesugarlipslove they all spread and creeping bent more so but most of our countryside will be a mixture of highland and brown tops. The species like fescues and ryes all have very similar characteristics.
@martinlogan8329 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhedges-gower4762 David hi, like Foxy I too have been keen to follow your advice and try and switch to bent grass but I'm wondering whether the highland bent varieties found in the cheaper packs for £20 or so will do the job? The trouble is the johnsons bent with premium cultivars etc is £100-£300! Really excited to change the way of thinking and go with nature rather than against, so thank you for the advice. Really enjoying the channel. 👍
@lawnassociation 2 жыл бұрын
@@martinlogan8329 Hi Martin, first things first is that you need a lot less seed as seeding rates are 4-8gms2, so a lot less is required and also, once it grows it will cover the lawn and never need seeding again! Cultivars make very little difference on a domestic level too. Being on an STRI list means absolutely nothing, even in most cases if your at the best golf club. With bent, its important to get seeding date right (May perhaps) but when temps are warmer and as seed is so so small, dont bury too deep. About to do a video on seeding....have you ever seen bentgrass seed?
@Arietje Жыл бұрын
When you talk about Bent grass, is it Agrostis canina? I'm trying to find the name in Dutch. Or Agrostis stolonifera? Or Agrostis capillaris?
@lawnassociation Жыл бұрын
you can get a number of agrostis varieties.. Castellana, Tenuis, Cappillaris. Highland, common bent (capill) is the most common around the UK for sure.
@Arietje Жыл бұрын
@@lawnassociation Thank you, I'm finding it very interesting. I believe you mention a lot that Rye will not multiply. What do you think of Barenbrug RPR? It is a Rye creating stolons.
@lawnassociation Жыл бұрын
@@Arietje honestly, awful. It’s been around for many years and there’s a reason it hasn’t taken off. 🤷🏻♂️
@arjunsamuel 2 жыл бұрын
Hello there, what about the RPR from Barenbrug? Would you try the RPR?
@davidhedges-gower4762 2 жыл бұрын
Haha…. It’s a clever attempt by a seed company to create what native grass does but they’re simply not good enough. There’s no significant need for it either apart from having a darker green lawn…
@Jfitzroy1 9 ай бұрын
Bentgrass is absolutely horrible. It has no root system and cannot withstand the summer. So once it creeps around and chokes out the good grass, it then dies and now you have nothing left but brown patches of dead. I had a large plot of bentgrass and I couldn't even walk in the area because the lack of roots left the area a complete swampy mudhole. Mesotrione for the win.
@lawnassociation 9 ай бұрын
without suggesting you may be unsure of what bent grass is, I would suggest that other issues were probably the cause. If bent grass fails, its more than likely down to poor identification, but definitely poor management. It has one of the best root systems in turf.
@Jfitzroy1 9 ай бұрын
@@lawnassociation creeping bentgrass has extremely shallow roots and doesn't tolerate drought because of this. Here in south western Pennsylvania, it is considered a weed unless on a golf course putting green.
@lawnassociation 9 ай бұрын
@@Jfitzroy1 we dont use creeping bent as a grass species and its only used on constructed sand bases when done so, but roots are phenomenal. Its not a normal grass to use on a lawn full stop, anywhere. However, in the UK, the native bent species covers most of our lawns and countryside where its vast root systems and work amazingly, without watering, herbicide or fertiliser intervention. Bents will proliferate vast areas given the chance and are so easy to manage. In the US, managing in different climates and different species is very different indeed
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