idols and the “shipping culture” 🤦‍♀️

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@kriti3591
@kriti3591 Жыл бұрын
it's nice to see artists exposing the stans like this lol
@ssj-rose4572
@ssj-rose4572 Жыл бұрын
Lmao then they wouldn’t have any fans
@Andrea-ie9vm
@Andrea-ie9vm Жыл бұрын
@@ssj-rose4572 there’s a difference between a fan and a stan. A good amount of the time stans just go crazy about shipping and making sure that even though the idol is like over 20, that they should still be treated like they are 15. Fans are calmer (sometimes), who listen to their music, and watch interviews here and there. For summary, unrealistic vs in reality.
@torr3n
@torr3n Жыл бұрын
​@@Andrea-ie9vmwell said, you could say I'm a fan, because if I see that artists like each other's posts, my only reaction is "nice, there is some interaction"
@Jinssoysauce
@Jinssoysauce Жыл бұрын
@@ssj-rose4572 well they definitely don’t need “FANS” like that gurl.
@nisanurlaela6129
@nisanurlaela6129 Жыл бұрын
@@ssj-rose4572 hi kid
@apatq
@apatq Жыл бұрын
you guys need to be respectful with shipping idols, it's always a mess.
@l0vet075
@l0vet075 Жыл бұрын
And make them akward
@czenningmysugacookie127
@czenningmysugacookie127 Жыл бұрын
Or how about don't ship them at all
@f4iryth964
@f4iryth964 Жыл бұрын
@@czenningmysugacookie127ong like its weird period
@sannevandenheuvel5635
@sannevandenheuvel5635 Жыл бұрын
I am a shipper, but I would NEVER send anything to the artists, yikes
@lilybocreep7316
@lilybocreep7316 Жыл бұрын
When I first started getting into bts and kpop in general I thought ship meant good friends so I’d say “omg I ship yoongi and jhope together they’re so sweet” needless to say I was so confused when ppl came for my neck bc of that post LOL
@EbbermanEmily
@EbbermanEmily Жыл бұрын
"well no, I'm complimenting him" 😂😂
@michelleramirez1656
@michelleramirez1656 9 ай бұрын
He is trying very hard to the fans NOT SHIP with her 😅😅
@yessica5231
@yessica5231 Жыл бұрын
The guys with Ashley: 😨🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️✖❌ The guys with Ashley's dad: 😄🥰😍😘💖💓
@Catz1a
@Catz1a Жыл бұрын
Bruh I thought this short was gonna start shipping him with her dad 💀
@ayazu515
@ayazu515 Жыл бұрын
AYOOOO?! sweet home alabama (?)
@vanefernandez7139
@vanefernandez7139 Жыл бұрын
a lot of wattpad
@AyDotHam
@AyDotHam Жыл бұрын
BAHAHAH
@W-I463
@W-I463 Жыл бұрын
Me tooo💀💀
@noaluvsvampires
@noaluvsvampires Жыл бұрын
@@ayazu515 what 💀
@selfish.machines
@selfish.machines Жыл бұрын
ppl see a girl and a guy talk to each other and automatically wanna turn it into smth for their fantasies without realizing how disrespectful it can be, like these are REAL ppl
@AniMin82
@AniMin82 Жыл бұрын
Not just a guy and a girl. Often people ship two guys or two girls together as well.
@selfish.machines
@selfish.machines Жыл бұрын
@@AniMin82 it’s more common for it to happen with the opposite sex, from what i’ve seen ppl don’t do it as often with the sam sex bc of homophobia being present within the kpop community
@muhammaddanishpranowo7498
@muhammaddanishpranowo7498 Жыл бұрын
even just glancing and the fandoms will be like "OMG THEY'RE DATINGG" 🤦🏻‍♂️
@powbobs
@powbobs Жыл бұрын
@@selfish.machines You obviously don’t follow girl groups much. Stans act as if every gf member is gay.
@powbobs
@powbobs Жыл бұрын
@@muhammaddanishpranowo7498 To be fair Koreans are kind of like that in general. It’s very weird. Hence “the perilla leaf debate”, which would never be a thing almost anywhere else.
@emilico698
@emilico698 Жыл бұрын
the side eye edits tho-
@paco100x
@paco100x Жыл бұрын
Ashley got them terrifying side eyes. Like the kind of side eye you hit enemies with. 😏
@Rustydustyprofile
@Rustydustyprofile Жыл бұрын
Bombastic side eye
@taestatamic001
@taestatamic001 Жыл бұрын
ashley’s “HIS dad??” just screams “bitch wtf” girl got really offended 😭💀
@straightkidsareverynormal
@straightkidsareverynormal 7 ай бұрын
That's Bichna right there
@joelleray4528
@joelleray4528 Жыл бұрын
I love how this all came back to how good Ashley’s dad looks. What a guy
@vmrich
@vmrich Жыл бұрын
It's funny that despite them telling how uncomfortable they are, you can still see comments of shipping on the main video and this short as well. Fans really dismiss their own favs saying as if it's nothing.
@animec-dramaskpop6362
@animec-dramaskpop6362 Жыл бұрын
Shippers don't care about anyone but themselves and their abusive behaviors.
@thaolinhnguyen1047
@thaolinhnguyen1047 11 ай бұрын
@@animec-dramaskpop6362They even twist all idols’ relationships to suit their fatasties.
@destabiliseeeee
@destabiliseeeee Жыл бұрын
lowkey could feel the pain in ashley's "see, peniel doesnt care about me" lmaoo the betrayal
@Ray-td3jj
@Ray-td3jj Жыл бұрын
No but in a 10 mins video idols look at each other for maybe 2 seconds and ppl make edits out of it. don't gaslight yourselves guys. Maybe they talk, maybe they don't. But don't decide that on a 2 sec eye contact clip😭
@shaziiekay1688
@shaziiekay1688 Жыл бұрын
Bruh, like I don't understand why they force it so much 😭😭
@jamya4316
@jamya4316 Жыл бұрын
Jolly good fun though.
@kai9749
@kai9749 Жыл бұрын
Yeah like... Do people not look at their friends or strangers when talking??? That's... A part of normal, human interaction? They're being human, that's all-
@InvisibleRen
@InvisibleRen Жыл бұрын
Or of idols from the same company wearing the same items because they don’t realize company stylists have a collection that any one of their artists could wear/use at any time.
@chococookie2181
@chococookie2181 Жыл бұрын
​@@InvisibleRen True and they don't even have to be from the same company since some stylists work with different companies
@kazunaritakao3763
@kazunaritakao3763 Жыл бұрын
its the "peniel doesnt care about me" for me
@cvyyjg
@cvyyjg 2 ай бұрын
Shipping culture is just as annoying as canceling an idol for dating
@yskz_staaa
@yskz_staaa Жыл бұрын
I absolutely do not like shipping culture. Imagine if that was happening to you on a daily for literally any interaction with anyone 😅
@sodalite5294
@sodalite5294 Жыл бұрын
Well the difference is that companies tell singers get close to one another, fake kiss encouraging for those types of fans for more money. It’s called fan service, acting.
@pongig
@pongig Жыл бұрын
​@@sodalite5294 yup, and their editors often "help" with that too 💀 like it's sometimes ✨painfully ✨ obvious how kpop groups' smm staff/editors are forcing shipping narratives in their content
@sootekken
@sootekken Жыл бұрын
@@sodalite5294 just bc the companies are trying to take advantage and use fans emotions to sell something doesn’t make it any less weird or disrespectful to ship real people imo /nm
@kodiibearv
@kodiibearv 11 ай бұрын
it did happen to me irl actually 😭 i was close to a friend of mine in eighth grade, but literally EVERYONE in our friend group "shipped" us so much that it caused us to not be as affectionate with each other so they would stop. it really sucked bc they were a friend i had since kindergarten.
@ghxsty_
@ghxsty_ Жыл бұрын
shipping irl people is a weird concept in general but to dm them is so uncomfortable and takes it to a whole new level of delusion
@thebase89
@thebase89 Жыл бұрын
I really don't like the idea of shipping real people. It is a personal thing if you like or dating with someone, not ours. If an idol want to share something with us, that's great. Otherwise, it's not our thing. Some people will ship their idols with literally everyone and it's starting to get out of control 😅
@absolutelynotarobot
@absolutelynotarobot Жыл бұрын
Be careful, some stans will rip your eyes out if you even imply that shipping should be left in the past 🙃
@thebase89
@thebase89 Жыл бұрын
@@absolutelynotarobot ikr, that's why I'm digging myself a bunker now 😆
@absolutelynotarobot
@absolutelynotarobot Жыл бұрын
@@thebase89 can I come? 🥺
@thebase89
@thebase89 Жыл бұрын
@@absolutelynotarobot sure! Bring some snacks and we can watch the whole world burning 😆
@absolutelynotarobot
@absolutelynotarobot Жыл бұрын
@@thebase89 lmao I love u for this
@ximenakokoro9899
@ximenakokoro9899 Жыл бұрын
Why would you message one of them saying you ship them? I'm definitely a shipper, but I'm not going to flaunt that in front of my idols. It's fan made stuff for fans
@jimbojimbo6873
@jimbojimbo6873 3 ай бұрын
Alright you wanna tell us what else you’re proud of not doing?
@riyabiya4
@riyabiya4 Жыл бұрын
i dont think shipping is bad inherently, but shipping people to THEIR FACE is disrespectful and awkward. like you can see that it forces them to suddenly think through every action they do even when they're friends and that's just not cool
@sodalite5294
@sodalite5294 Жыл бұрын
There has been singers stopped being close on camera cuz of such delusions
@Sammmm85
@Sammmm85 Жыл бұрын
shipping was never a good thing. it's really uncomfortable and disrespectful to some idols. but crazy stans never understand this and they will never change. they even ship minors and sexualize them
@riyabiya4
@riyabiya4 Жыл бұрын
@Gargi im gonna disagree because plenty of people ship discreetly and use those ships to creatively express themselves. i agree it can go too far and i dont think the idols themselves should really know about the ships because it can make them uncomfortable and overthink their own relationships. but i think most fans who aren't delusional and don't seriously claim or demand idols to be dating otbers don't do much harm, if anything they can enrich the fandom experience. and you can always stay away from things that make you uncomfortable. also i agree, sexualizing minors has not exceptions and is not okay. however romantic relationships don't have to be inherently sexual
@clevanterskz
@clevanterskz Жыл бұрын
I agree. If the shippers keep it to themselves, I see no problem with it. It’s natural to think, especially if they’re really close, “oh they would look cute together!”. Same with, especially young Kpop fans, to find a liking on an idol. To be honest, I don’t like the whole y/n stuff as it can get very obsessive and inappropriate, but if you keep it to yourself and be respectful, then whatever. I’m not gonna stop you. If the group or idol comes out saying they’re uncomfortable, then stop. For example, BTS’ Vkook. Tae has come out saying that he wants it to stop. So respect his wants. With the Y/N stuff, an example can be when a fan was wearing lingerie and making some comments to Stray Kids’ Han, and it was clearly making him uncomfortable. For one, that’s just a huge NO! Not matter how much you like that idol. A lot of groups are fine with being shipped with their own teammates, but not with other groups. Some could care less. Some idols play into fanservice, and some idols not so much. So yeah. I may not be a huge fan of shipping or into the y/n stuff, but if you are, that’s fine. Just keep it respectful and don’t shove it down idols’ throats.
@animec-dramaskpop6362
@animec-dramaskpop6362 Жыл бұрын
​@@riyabiya4 You want to creatively express yourself by USING REAL PPL!!! Have you lost your mind?
@Chococat_Ariana
@Chococat_Ariana Жыл бұрын
Ph-1 mistakenly referring her as a "his"? Nah, they're homies for sure 😊 This ship 🚢 is a solid friendship 🤗
@lanfanslostarm9784
@lanfanslostarm9784 Жыл бұрын
idk if yall even remember this but niel and c.a.p of teen top were shipped SO much eventually they pretended to be kissing to trick dispatch and were dming fans back like "we're gonna break up if you keep shipping us with other members" and everyone freaked out and stopped it was fucking hilarious 😭
@chameleonrose16
@chameleonrose16 Жыл бұрын
Is this real???
@BIBINIM1
@BIBINIM1 Жыл бұрын
Shipping isn't nice at all, they can do whatever they want, it's their life
@sodalite5294
@sodalite5294 Жыл бұрын
That’s what companies want, it’s called fan service
@callmevitaaa
@callmevitaaa Жыл бұрын
Get Real need to talk about Toxic Fans, it will be interesting 🙂
@neri859
@neri859 Жыл бұрын
I want to hear more about their thoughts on shipping culture, that a male and female idols can interact more and be friends.
@es-thetic
@es-thetic Жыл бұрын
Thats why i never like over shipping thing cuz sometimes its uncomfortable and i can see some of them make distance to each other (like members in group)
@its_angelayang
@its_angelayang Жыл бұрын
"his dad" 🤣🤣🤣
@wannabedrewafualo
@wannabedrewafualo Жыл бұрын
Your friendly reminder that public figures are not your Wattpad OCs
@urwnrwl5396
@urwnrwl5396 Жыл бұрын
No fr. Celebrities aren’t TV show characters that you can just ship with whoever 😭
@Kaastengels
@Kaastengels Жыл бұрын
when people talk about toxic shipping culture in kpop they're mostly talking about boy x girl ships when in actuality, the toxic ones are usually boy x boy shippers from boygroups
@frwsiittas
@frwsiittas Жыл бұрын
YESSSS, EXACTLY
@SadiaIslamShouki
@SadiaIslamShouki Жыл бұрын
My dad is quite handsome, so my friends always compliment like this then I am like, "Yeah, I know Thank you 😌" my friends exactly react like this, "why you are saying thanks", "We are not complimenting you", "are you sure he is your real dad?"🙄😅
@aaronburrsir6347
@aaronburrsir6347 Жыл бұрын
Why did I think this clip was gonna be ph1 accusing Ashley of having a sugar daddy LMAOOOO 😭😭💀
@igot7elf237
@igot7elf237 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how every celeb knows what and how their fans behave...Some talk openly and make their fans understand and some just don't do anything
@animec-dramaskpop6362
@animec-dramaskpop6362 Жыл бұрын
Bc they are usually told they can't say anything about it.
@igot7elf237
@igot7elf237 Жыл бұрын
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 When you're an older idol I think you should care less about your company and more about your and your fan's behaviour...Taking stand for yourself and talking with your fans when you feel is a must...Well maybe because 7 always do so I expect that from everyone
@animec-dramaskpop6362
@animec-dramaskpop6362 Жыл бұрын
@@igot7elf237 BTS are so powerful bc they are so astronomically successful. Hybe is literally what it is today bc of BTS. Plus, they lucked up and got a CEO that isn't as traditionally strict as other CEOs from other companies.
@igot7elf237
@igot7elf237 Жыл бұрын
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 Well I said 7 for GOT7 not bts cause honestly they don't even bother to talk with their fans about their toxic behaviours..Ik not all army but always an army that's toxic
@animec-dramaskpop6362
@animec-dramaskpop6362 Жыл бұрын
@@igot7elf237 Oh, I thought you meant BTS bc there's 7 members in the group but the logic still applies. The more successful you are the more authority you have. Unsuccessful groups have little to no power to do as they please.
@_B3aR
@_B3aR Жыл бұрын
Omg not the young dad part that me laugh so hard
@VKK45428
@VKK45428 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the short title should mention her dad. The shipping thing flew right over me 😂😂
@ArieAGinting
@ArieAGinting Жыл бұрын
one doesn't care about her and the other one doesn't see her as a girl... Poor Ashley LOL🤣
@mollaoka1413
@mollaoka1413 Жыл бұрын
Finally Finally🤌 someone speak up about this. Guys..stop it.
@taetaeboo1630
@taetaeboo1630 Жыл бұрын
"His dad" bro I was literally sad but this made me happy
@scattypetty
@scattypetty Жыл бұрын
1st rule of shipping is never let your idol know.
@bellatrixisstrange
@bellatrixisstrange Жыл бұрын
the "his dad" part is so funny tho cuz maybe they are just so comfortable with ashley that she's kinda like one of the boys lmao
@marianemarangao2840
@marianemarangao2840 Жыл бұрын
It never crossed my mind that people would say shipping stuff to the person itself. I thought shipping was just for fun, wtf are you guys doing? 😭
@peacelife
@peacelife Жыл бұрын
Love u guys chat so funny !!! "YOUNG DAD" "His dad" "Get Real"
@bldramaseries_tele
@bldramaseries_tele Жыл бұрын
Lol....not just DIVE STUDIO making funny edits out of their own interviews 😂❤
@-ceejee-
@-ceejee- Жыл бұрын
It's sad that they even not liking, bc of the hate/shipping....😮
@user-yj3gw8rr1b
@user-yj3gw8rr1b 7 ай бұрын
I hate those people shipping too. They literally destroy a perfect friendship. No matter what, these ships always have those awkward feeling to people you are shipping. And these could potentially ruin their friendship 😭
@virginiaperez-baez2445
@virginiaperez-baez2445 Жыл бұрын
her dad looks young and ashley is amazing
@catwithissues535
@catwithissues535 Жыл бұрын
This clip can be taken out of context and can end up as harry x her dad
@oliviadaniellecooley7530
@oliviadaniellecooley7530 4 ай бұрын
Bruh, he said 'im not hot for you, im hot for your young dad' 😂
@josephpercy8772
@josephpercy8772 Жыл бұрын
Why's everything gotta be romantic tho?? This is why idol groups can't interact with each other. Do better, shippers.
@Hellokitty_391
@Hellokitty_391 Жыл бұрын
They're calling out the shippers i- 😭
@reddishsky8614
@reddishsky8614 Жыл бұрын
He looks young and fashionable too! 😄✨
@oikawascursedplushie9912
@oikawascursedplushie9912 Жыл бұрын
Now people are gonna start shipping him with her young dad 💀
@mccnbinnie9840
@mccnbinnie9840 Жыл бұрын
It's sad hearing Ph-1 say it like that, I pray they can be happy and freedom like everyone else
@janggeurim3363
@janggeurim3363 Жыл бұрын
bro he's so real for this 😂 he knew
@pheunchouk8361
@pheunchouk8361 Жыл бұрын
His dad is the funny part
@istanhybe
@istanhybe Жыл бұрын
See Peniel doesn't care about me His dad Y'all she really is there homie she ain't no girl to them
@SayLOVE1999
@SayLOVE1999 9 ай бұрын
I miss all of them so much. 😢
@minhoshin7269
@minhoshin7269 Жыл бұрын
"HIS" dad? lmao ashley is just one of the boys now
@Lackie703
@Lackie703 Жыл бұрын
Some ppl really need a grasp on reality. It's perfectly fine to go "I think those two would be cute together" but when you start obsessing over it and being like "omg they're totally dating bc of this and this and this" it's creepy and weird...
@naurwaybro
@naurwaybro Жыл бұрын
it’s nice to see people saying 35 is a young age cause every time I ask my friends what they consider old, they say 35-40 and I’m over here so confused cause that’s pretty young. for me, I think being around the age of 55-60 is considered old to me.
@seoshicreese6678
@seoshicreese6678 Жыл бұрын
Even Ashley's mom is young looking
@mjvidal143
@mjvidal143 Жыл бұрын
This is pure chaos I love it HAHAHAHA 😭😂
Күн бұрын
"See, Peniel doesn't care about me". Peniel unbothered by that comment
@Axiclett
@Axiclett Ай бұрын
I literally love them😂😂
@minaisfab17
@minaisfab17 Жыл бұрын
They're all so cool. This podcast really makes me appreciate them
@whitneydouglas4794
@whitneydouglas4794 Жыл бұрын
Seems like they need to be shipping him with her dad. LOL!!
@khaoslee
@khaoslee Жыл бұрын
Yes ashley, give them the bombastic side eye
@vaneabarca
@vaneabarca 20 күн бұрын
he got real
@devvv4616
@devvv4616 Жыл бұрын
Callee out the shippers 😂
@KiritoHamiltonKPop
@KiritoHamiltonKPop Жыл бұрын
Y’all shipping stan need to get your hand off keyboard ASAP because let your idol live their lives. Let them chose who they date. Just be happy for them whatever decision they made
@lalisalongstory7494
@lalisalongstory7494 Жыл бұрын
I don't know why some people ship idols like if a girl is an friend with an boy shipping them can break their friend ship people in my school ship two girl and boy who are just frisnds and then their friendship is broken
@Vor567tez
@Vor567tez Жыл бұрын
When u r only girl u become bro 😂
@CrazyDuvalina
@CrazyDuvalina Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I feel Ashley has to pass a patient test every episode😅
@ammmm_4803
@ammmm_4803 Жыл бұрын
this short was so wholesome ❤
@leowright2251
@leowright2251 Жыл бұрын
i can't imagine not being able to like my friend's stuff without droves of people shipping us, that would just make me sad a bit
@huldaadriyannah1633
@huldaadriyannah1633 Жыл бұрын
Y'all are such a vibe😂😂💀😭🔥
@thaienthugurl_bl
@thaienthugurl_bl Жыл бұрын
I glad they talk about it out.. bcs srsly shippers are getting out of hands and if people says these ships isnt real they going to fight back and says “you’re just jealous cuz your fave and blah blah blah” sometimes aa i really want to throw slippers at them, maybe they will realise how disrespectful and uncomfortable the idols is feeling.
@Shi_630
@Shi_630 Жыл бұрын
Get real for real😂
@brainlessclown7288
@brainlessclown7288 Жыл бұрын
"Young dad"
@Blap15
@Blap15 Жыл бұрын
I think you guys are shipping the wrong people Hes clearly whipped for *his young dad*
@Concerned_Kitten
@Concerned_Kitten 6 ай бұрын
And then they'll make comments and when they're called out say "They're not gonna see it anyway" like people are freaking creepy and weird.
@abdouyushino8239
@abdouyushino8239 Жыл бұрын
Ashley and peniel are friendship goals
@clauclau1568
@clauclau1568 Жыл бұрын
They are sooo cooool. ✨
@minaluvs
@minaluvs Жыл бұрын
“i’m complimenting him” PLS😭
@ditaaprilia3956
@ditaaprilia3956 4 ай бұрын
Peniel enjoyed it so much. 😂
@blackLILheartOinker402
@blackLILheartOinker402 10 ай бұрын
The fact idols say this yet fans dont listen 💀
@noni4315
@noni4315 Жыл бұрын
The whole "shipping" concept is so f'n weird to me. Maybe because I've been in a relationship for 3 years and I'm a grown adult? I don't even mean that in a rude way, it's just a theory. Like, I always assume "shippers" are mainly 13 year old girls who have never had a boyfriend or girlfriend. At least I hope so... because if adults are doing it, what is wrong with you? 😅
@WenWenSi
@WenWenSi Жыл бұрын
Sweet how Ashley said "I know (you are complimenting him), but he's my dad"
@vanessajabbour4659
@vanessajabbour4659 11 ай бұрын
And thats y idols are afraid to even breathe.
@runa_7022
@runa_7022 7 ай бұрын
what harry meant to say is that he wants to get shipped with her dad instead 😭
@nana994
@nana994 Жыл бұрын
they literally see Ashley as friends, stop shipping guys 🙌🏻
@renaigillespie2308
@renaigillespie2308 Жыл бұрын
Lmao it's not the first time one of them called her him 😭
@walteroram3611
@walteroram3611 5 ай бұрын
I feel like they are comfortable with each other and are great friends at a personal level which should be normalised in todays society especially the film and media industry if we vibing and talking heaps I’m not gonna instantly think we should be more than friends contrary to other people thoughts and opinions ✌🏾
@trash-3058
@trash-3058 Жыл бұрын
I used to ship but now I just read fanfiction in silence for the stories lmao
@Yoonji9212
@Yoonji9212 Жыл бұрын
Shipping is disgusting and no one can change my mind. I will never understand what people are thinking doing this to their idols.
@Roberto-dw5jz
@Roberto-dw5jz 6 ай бұрын
Except shipping Mao Zedong with Joseph Stalin
@aeri_.
@aeri_. Жыл бұрын
the emojis make it more funny
@delaninaa
@delaninaa Жыл бұрын
i love this crew hahdha
@kiarapxz
@kiarapxz Жыл бұрын
ash was like "bombastic side eye"
@1718Dance
@1718Dance Жыл бұрын
Looks 35…what does 35 look like haha
@mariat1976
@mariat1976 Жыл бұрын
I ship Harry with Ashley's Dad LOL😂😂
@OptimisticFanatic15
@OptimisticFanatic15 Жыл бұрын
the disgusting fans being like “omg ahaha I ship” shut UP and keep it to yourself???????? you’d turn into a delulu stan if either of them had an actual date or relationship.
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