Yes, it hurts.

SGxCCxJBxLJ praise

This just shows how stupid record companies are....the 5H fans were hoping for Camila and Lauren to be together so they could both be happy .....their fans were not going to abandon them simply because they loved each other.... that's a record company not understanding the fans.....this is not the 1950s.

It wasn't destroyed by the management even though I also agree that their management sucks. it was just people like you guys disrespecting them is what destroyed their beautiful friendship . Let them live with whoever they want and not everything is a pUbLiCItY sTuNt y'all don't even understand what that is And they haven't even acknowledged each other's existence for like 3 and a half years so STOP BEING DELUSIONAL .

And stop forcing a sexuality on camila

In our hearts they are the endgame 😜

Venice Gomez yeah i haven’t really been into ships and i thought they were stupid. i wanted to get into a few but i never thought that they were that real or special. but camren is a whole other story. idk what it is/i can’t describe it completely, but something inside of me just knows camren was/is real. so much evidence i’ve fed off of and it’s all cramped in my mind now ig

Do you have twitter? You can follow our Camren and the dark side of the music industry in general channel: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You

i know right

This theory is at least very often discussed because of the "Havana" MV. Think about the first scene of the video: "I was in the closet" - "So you're now out of the closet?" - "Yes, for you" .... Unfortunately we'll never know the truth about Camren ...

@@totallylost8696 apparently camilas behind a roco account on twitter and may spill the truth in 2019? is what I've heard but idk

And I am Lauren + Camila + all of their friends together. LOL. Don't let yourself fool by someone ... I know this account.

@@totallylost8696 who knows yk? im delusional so ill just forever wish it was real lmao, Who is it? do u have an Idea

Erin Daniels I'm sorry but I don't think so. For me, it seems like Lauren was outed as bisexual as soon as the photos of her kissing Lucy were published. That's why I think she was forced to come out rather than doing it intentional for Camila. I think Camren was real (at least reciprocal feelings) but unfortunately a lot of things happened. Therefore I don't see them talking for another 10 years🤔 Maybe if they are old and grey they will talk about their feelings back in their teenage years... we need patience guys✌🏼

Yes, they have the same situation as we do ... 🌈🌈🌈

I know and it hurts. I don't think that Camren shippers destroyed their friendship/relationship. The whole world around them did it because they weren't allowed to come out. It would be way easier for them if they could tell the truth. I also wrote it in my video: "Homophobia is the problem, not homosexuality." If they could tell us that it was true (but it's over?) the "hunting for proof" would stop. Maybe Camren became such a big brand that they can't do it ...? Basically everyone felt betrayed because of Lauren's tweet. Is her tweet even possible by what we saw? Wtf? Her tweet was a punch into her own fans faces and I still don't know why she did it ... how can you deny something that was so real? (See my video) We literally woke up because of her tweet because we want to know WHY!? The mystery is still unsolved, that's why the shipping will not stop anytime soon. Plus: Other OTPs laugh about their ships. They make jokes about it, like Camila with Ariana. (Last week "the divorce" was better than fiction) Camren never did that. Lauren still sends hate against Camren shippers everytime she gets a chance ... maybe we made their lifes not easy (WE KNOW IT!) but I don't feel guilty because I think love is love.

Yes i 100% agree with you, i just don't know what to feel because i love them both and want them to be the happiest people in this world... I just wow i dont know how to even express myself, they changed my life to a really happy one and i want them to have one as well but i just don't i don't know what to do what to feel what to support and how to do anything about it...

Same here. I want them to be happy but they never told us what makes them happy. What do you think makes them happy? That we shut up and stop with the Camren shit? They could VERY easily stop it. Camila could stop it with one simple interview answer. She already said that she hates it when the people believe that her songs are about Austin, lol. Nevertheless we are still Camila's "free card" to the lgbt community and if she tells us that Camren is over I don't know how some really crazy shipper fans react. We saw how some lgbt fans reacted when Mattmila became public - a lot of the people who don't believe in Camren blaimed her as queerbaiter. They burned her albums, lol. U know what I mean? On the other hand I also think Camren is a huge brand ... they don't even have to talk about it and we stay delusional in this world and support them. I don't know if it's still real but at least I don't feel guilty to show the world what camren is/was .... if they can't handle it and it's bad for them they can tell me in person.

Talking about contracts, watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i9WGZspeyp7eeIU.html She really said this. This is just a funny version of it.

I saw that the other day after Shane Dawson posted his conspiracy theory video and i was not even surprised but that video is funny as hell and Ally in the back just like "Lauren hahah you're so funny *stop* hahhah *awkward * 😂😂😂

Welcome on board, Tamara! I have a pretty funny Camren community on Twitter. If you wanna join: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You :)

Fuck it this is definitely me😭😭

In our hearts ...

Laddawan Manathon We'll keep the boat floating... 🚣‍♀️

🚣‍♀️🚣‍♀️🚣‍♀️

You can join me on twitter when you want to get up to date infos and short videos of our favourite couple: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You

No, for sure not forever. The Romance album is all abaut shawmila, it is FOR SURE.

Love should be love ... it's sad that we still have homophobia in our world. Think about all the homophobic straight Camilizers and Jaguars who fight against Camren shippers as if we're the dumbest spezies on earth because we believe in a girl/girl lovestory with their favorites ...

In our hearts 💓💓

uǝʞøɹq yes

@@notjenna4663 yes:(

After the concert she most likely saw about 100 videos of this moments on social media, lol.

A friend told me that Camila posted this video after Camrenworld went crazy because of this moment: www.tumblr.com/video/sun-to-my-luna/151328358790/500/

@Neil Ivan I pretty sure Camila noticed that Lauren was looking directly straight toward her but she was too intimidated to look up at her so she continued kind of looking looking down and acting chill as she was dancing.

Haha, who knows but she has her eyes closed ... She for sure saw it 100 times because it's in every Camren video, lol.

She definitely noticed. Look closely. Camila even mouths "Lauren...stop." And then Lauren switched up her gaze.

Have you seen our latest video? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZrZkrdqqrpmbYWw.html

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNhzrMuA17HOgp8.html :)

Ayaat. ABD i think it was real, but not anymore either. because camila wouldn’t have gone through that kind of stage in her life and say she was so sad at that point in her life that she couldn’t write songs for half a year without something tragic that went down. she also said that she couldn’t write because writing would mean she would ‘feel everything again’. all her songs are directing to one person and we’re not really certain to whom it may be because she has never said or specified anybody. but ofc it is obvious that all her songs are love songs. look into the lyrics and you know that relationship lasted longer than two weeks. she couldn’t have written that about austin, or michael. it couldn’t be shawn either because why would she make it blatantly obvious in her songs that she hasn’t seen this person in a long while? she sees shawn a lot of times and that just says that it’s not him. everything just directs to lauren. that kiss lauren shared in a van with somebody else OTHER than her current girlfriend at the time (who was also entering the van) and that somebody in the van was wearing all black, with a black snapback and shades. guess who went on snapchat that day and posted on their story? camila; wearing a full black outfit and wearing a snapback with shades. there’s so much evidence out there that i can’t even stop myself from shipping because the facts and evidence are literally right in front of you. you just gotta looks deep into it, and around it.

I know that my video shows more Camila's side of the story because Lauren's not as open to show and shout out her feelings as Camila. Especially in the beginning a lot of cute Lauren moments happened as well. I found a lot of cute Lauren moments but they weren't as obvious as the ones from Camila that's why I cut them out. 10 minutes is already quite long .... :)

Teen Choice awards guys. I'm waiting for this event more than my own birthday. Both will be there and I can't wait to see what will happen (sorry if I made some grammar mistakes)

Camila's first Girl crush was Lauren

No. I think it was Lauren who put the most effort in their relationship. Lauren is the confident one who didn't mind coming out, but Camila is still hiding in the closet. Isn't that proof enough? And after and shortly before Camila left the band, Lauren acted like the typical butthurt ex who's still not over the relationship (shading her, making jokes, acting happy and careless everytime someone mentions Camila,...) Camila betrayed Lauren with leaving the group and broke her heart. That's what I believe🤷🏻‍♀️

@@Anonym-kl9vf for me i believe at the time camila was the one more possible to declare their love (based from her posts in twitter and tumbler at the time.. it seems like shes was screaming to everyone how much she loves lauren but L was so scared at the time... i think camila got hurt over and over again from hot and cold treatment from lauren... the who are you song where camila kept crying during their performance.. then it comes to the point that she just cant take it anymore and she just opted to walk away... dont get me wrong i feel that L loved her as much but she wasnt ready then and its a shame that it took her losing camz to finally have the courage to do so. now C have a lot more at stake now with all the fame she has now, so revealing who she is probably a lot harder to do.. this is just my opinion well never know for sure... but the part where L shows sign of being hurt.. lol totally agree... i hope someday they can be once again friends atleast...

Thx :)

Wise words. True.

Yes, it's a very cute moment :) We don't know if their PR teams keep Camren alive or Camren themself. At least we are all pretty sure that someone still keeps Camren still alive. LET THE MAGIC BEGIN is too much to be a coincidence. Not to mention all the other "coincidences" that happened over the last years ... see our 4 Crack Humor videos. They all have parts with unbelievable Coincidences. You can start at number 1: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q82VrK-nncyWcWg.html

If the song wouldn't end with "Loving you" I think it would be the saddest song I have heard since a long time.

Often discussed moment and everyone understands something else ... from "sorry camz" (because she touched her leg) to "sorry baby" to "kidding baby" ... :)

Welcome on board :) It's easy to stay delusional when you follow the right people but I don't know if it's very healthy. Please don't let your own heart break by them because of Tyren and Mattmila ...

Totally Lost im not that crazy obsession with them LOL I just fine it adorable but thank you LOL

I observe people who overdo it and that doesn't look very healthy. It's great for us because we get a lot of content but ... whatever. Great to have a new "normal" shipper on board!

Totally Lost (8

Not Jealous IM TERRITORIAL. Mee too I just love them ❤

Thank you 💕 It's sad because we've the 21st century, love should be love ...

Totally Lost absolutely!Human rights🌈

🌈🌈🌈

"I will go down with this ship. And I won't put my hands up and surrender. There will be no white flag above my door. I'm in love and always will be." :)

Sorry 😜 Honestly I wish I never became part of this fandom, too. Why? Because the "never real...ever"-tweet and the "they hate each other now" narrative after Camila left the group had been two of the worst fan-treatments that I have ever seen in history ... spread love, not hate!

Thx! Please don't let your own heart break by them. Sometimes I catch myself watching Tyren and Mattmila videos and it always hurts my heart. Don't care too much about Camren.

Thank you so much for caring about my heart, you're so sweet! i do love Camren, i am too involved to forget about them, i actually see myself talking about them to my grandchildren lol. and to be honest i don't care about Tyren nor Mattmilla that's why i don't like to torture myself watching their vids.

camren

Hahaha, yesss .... lol! Camren was and is always real in our hearts.

dude, if i get news saying Camila and Lauren are together I WILL HAVE A CAMREN GAY PANIC AND DIE.

Let's pray that the PR nightmares are soon over and they are allowed to talk about it. They should be allowed to tell their fans the truth.

Have you ever seen Lauren commenting how hot Camila is? Anon: on a scale of 1-10 how hot is camila Lauren: 11 (no joke) It's Camren, yo! :)

Same. We should have added that Camila posted on the same day (as far as we know) a video with a message to us - her fans: "It's very important to know when you need to chill the fuck out".

In our hearts 💓💓💓💓

Maybe they are not together now but they are in love . YOU CAN NOT DENY LOVE

Camren is real in our hearts! :)

Thank you! Our new video will come out in the next few days ... it's a crack video. Get yourself prepared for a lot of awkward Mattmila moments, haha.

Sorry 😜

What? Never heard what you heard? ;)

Thank you very much :)

Nermac, you're so kind to comment all of our videos with such a postive vibe! :) Thx!

*cries in gay* as well

Camren 4 ever! (At least until they tell us into the face to stop shipping them! 😜)

#camrenforever

We also love Camren! :) About gay artists in the music industry: twitter.com/i/moments/1114568160164941824

It's easy to leave this ship if you want to. Only the delusional ones are left. You can believe in everything they say and do at the moment and you will jump overboard very fast.

So that's my diagnosis? 😣 But I only ever give credit to evidence that's rational in my eyes. Like quality, well-put together proof over wacko theories (sorry, but they're sadly abundant). Or so I think. Case on point: your stuff and Sychronized Signs'. As big a Camren shipper as you guys are, you know to apply a critical, rational eye to things and don't overstretch truths nor force a narrative for the sake of feeding into a dying delusion (not saying that this is one, God forbid). That's much appreciated. Otherwise I'd be cringing hard, which isn't the case. Even your crack has substance in it, y'know? That's why I still hold onto the railings of this ship for dear life, cause of things I've seen that have left me questioning if a different explanation would even be possible or that have straight-up convinced me at best. So don't ever forsake us, we need you 💗 (Soz for the lil rant)

@@ireboleyn Thx for this lovely answer. Happy that you like our videos. We're trying our best to also show "the other side of Camren". Camila and Lauren could easily drown this ship, that's why we are either part of a marketing campaign (cause Camren is a huge brand) or we get so many "signs" because they are hiding in the closet. Both theories have enough proof to be chosen as the one and only theory. But we really love the people in this fandom, that's why we are on the delusional side. The passion and the hoping that they are happy together - it's a lovely community. At least we love CS who don't tag them personally. We love our Camren bubble and everything inside the bubble. And we will not leave this bubble anytime soon.

@@totallylost8696 I plan on staying in my Camren bubble for so long I even mortgaged it, so. And I totally get the Camren being the one actual PR theory. Never considered it but it sure seems the most coherent along with the good ol' alternative. It's messed up either way, so I'm glad the ship is kept afloat by OGs and newcomers (myself) alike.

Sounds like a good interpretation. Of course we can only speculate as well. Nevertheless we're not even sure if Yawn wrrites his songs himself....

We love your message, Amorina! We totally agree with you. Thank you for your insight about the manager because we never met him. We created a video in January about "Camila" (the album) that you will probably love: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g6qAnNJ3nsDHgGg.html

Btw, the title of our video: Camren shipper listens to Camila Cabello's debut album 😀 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g6qAnNJ3nsDHgGg.html

Personally I don't understand Shawmila shippers. What would have been the problem if they ever had been a couple? They are cute together, they were rumored to be together. It would have been no problem for the public at all. It's a shame that Shawnmila shippers don't get it that Shawn and Camila are just very close friends. "Back up, back up, back up, do it slow-mo. When she drop, it bounce back like a yo-yo. Woo, my God, you look good today. You look good today, yeah. Oh my God"

What about Austin? That was 2014 and when she turned 17. It could be him

thoya15 but they only dated for a short period of time and tbh if it was real it doesn’t seem like it affected her as much as to write an album/multiple songs about him

I guess you both never saw the interview where Camila tells that her songs are not about Austin. Quote Camila: "I hate when the people are like 'Oh this song is about Austin Mahone'."

I know the quote you are talking about. When they ask about Austin when "she's 14?" in the Zach Song interview. She kinda backtracks and goes it is "not about that" as if to say that it could be him, but I just don't like it to be attributed to him. Or that people don't really know about all the secret love connections she had BTS. I think there are significant lyrical illusions to her songs being about Lauren or another girl (especially OMG or "lost a little weight because I wasn't eating (reference that both Lauren and Camila both made)), and there is definitely some level of "queer baiting/or speaking her truth" by Camila. So, I am not discounting that possibility. But, the fact is that she was on tour with him for months in 2014, kinda dated, and made out (and that was the year she got her first kiss). It is basically fact of what she admitted on camera and we are trying to grasp for straws that there is no other person than Lauren that it could be about. And that is just not the truth. Just like Michael Clifford could be the inspiration for IKWYDLS. We just don't know. In Zach Lowe interview recently, she said that she had to use a "kernel" of her past experience and then had to use her imagination to fill out, because it was so long ago. Now, when she supposedly "in love" with Matt, she will be able to write from her current experiences. So she said. Because of that comment about kernel, it makes me think that even small experiences with whoever (even dating for a short time) helped create the narrative, because she is intoxicated with the idea of being in love. I do think that there is strong possibility that "Like Friends Do" is about Lauren.

Waiting for forever ❤❤

We know, we know, we know, hahaha.

Sorry, that's just my personal prediction, you can believe something else. They both know that they have very loving, carrying and passionate fans, maybe they'll talk about "Camren" one day.

Totally Lost i really really hope #Camren

We all do ...

if they are still together now and be the end game then eventually they will.. but if they broke up... nope probably not.. whats the point of that unless they decide to make a biographical book of them lol

Have you talked to them? Do you know them in person? Don't believe all the shitshows on the internet.

Haha :) They are both so cute next to each other. Wish we could turn back time.

Thank you so much ....

Totally Lost you’re welcome :) xx 🇧🇷

At least in our hearts ....

Sure, why not ... Camren has still a strong community. On tumblr and twitter. You can join us: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You

It was real, they were in love and everything had consequences... 😭

Think about the original "consequences" lyrics: But loving you had consequences Hesitation, awkward conversation Running on low expectation Every siren that I was ignoring I'm payin' for it I would like to know in what way she was/is payin' for it. This song sounds so deep and everytime she sings it she almost cries ... 😭

I know what you mean, Elek. Actually CS often find "proof" but mostly we're really delusional because we wish them to be together. Some of the coincidences/proofs are forever in the timelines of the people who still want them to be secret lovers. E.g. Camila kissing the flag is quite a lot for someone who only supports the lgbt community, right? (yesterday in Paris) Nevertheless we shouldn't forget that Camren is also a huge brand and think about the possibility of getting played by PR people. We have to look into all directions. Never forget that we're still Camila's "free card" to the lgbt community. A lot of her fans are gay. If she tells us that she hates Camren or that her songs are not about Lauren I don't know how some really crazy shippers react. We're still a huge part of her fans because almost every old 5H fan had been also somehow CS. We saw how some lgbt fans reacted when Mattmila became public >> a lot of the people who don't believe in Camren blaimed her as big queerbaiter. A big Camila lgbt message board had to shut down because of the hate against her. They burned her albums, lol. Every CS who believes in Mattmila sees at least Lauren as part of her past. U know what I mean?

It was totally real. Even if you were blind you could see the love. It was there. I feel like if the labor didn't exist maybe camila would come out or that they wouldn't hide their relationship. Now if they weren't dating (i think they probably did cause there was jealousy) that doesn't mean that they didn't had feelings for each other. It's just sad to force you to hide anything that makes you happy and pretend it doesn't exist especially when it comes to love. I just hope one day they can finally break free and be able to tell us that it was real or Camila to come out or find their words to tell each other their feelings. Of course for both C and L the whole thing had consequences, in every aspect.

ITS REAL

They have so much in common ...

What's your favorite part? :)

Let's pray that the PR nightmares are soon over and they are allowed to talk about it. They should be allowed to tell their fans the truth.

I know this feeling 😭😭

what?

@@totallylost8696 camren feels I can't 😭

@@lexasscentedcandles2852 😭😭

Thank you! Camren shippers have to stand up together for what they believe in! Why can't we have nice things? Love is love!

Here as well ;)

:) Yeah, but Dinah jumped over board, she's a Tyren shipper now :( She's at the same management as Lauren, guess she has no other choice. At least Chelsea is still our loyal captain. She was also forced to shut up about them but at least she breaks this "rule" sometimes and responds our most famous shippers ... she's the coolest :)

DINAH?LIKE.. DINAH JANE HANSEN??!!!WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSE TO MEAN?!?SHE'S A TYREN SHIPPER??!!😡😥😡WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN??WHY!!!!??😢😢

BUT IT'S OK TYREN DOESN'T EXIST😂😌😏.... RIGHT?😢

IF TYREN IS REAL (HOPE NOT😞)THEN THE CAMREN SHIPPERS ARE GOING TO DESTROY THAT TYREN BOAT😂😌😏🙃 HOPE THE CAMREN SHIPPERS IS BELIEVING CAMREN😁😘🙁😍💓💖

Haha, thx :)

Me, too!

Waiting for forever .... for whatever 😂

Yes, her reactions to "Camren moments" are always the best 😊

Haha, yes, Gaymila was the best! :)

You watched it ...

@@totallylost8696 omg its 2020 and im still here

It's real in our hearts :)

You can tell the difference by yourself between a friendship and a feelings into each other

Sorry ... 😜

💞💞💞

Thx for the compliment :)

They are real in our hearts ...

Totally Lost agree😭

No one can, "Never real...EVER" is not really what I take seriously ... it makes me only mad and sad :(

When? What? :)

@@totallylost8696 3:46

@@saragrays5008 Don't know, maybe 😲😳

That’s what I was coming to ask. That’s what I heard!

At least in our hearts .... :)

Welcome on our channel! :)

Don't stop believing .... me neither, Luka. It's hard to be a CS these days but we're still a very strong communtiy.

You shouldn't ... that's not healthy ;)

It's so sad that we know nothing at all. Maybe they were torn apart. Maybe they are closer than ever in the closet - out of the spotlight. We don't know. If it's over and they are not even friends anymore I feel shitty to still ship them. Nevertheless they never told us what happened and that's why the mystery will stay forever. They still keep us in our delusional world for a reason ... maybe it's their PR team that keeps us delusional but it would be sort of a shitty move to keep them interesting for the lgbt community with "Camren PR strategies". Fuck them if this happens at the moment!!! They can tell it's our fandoms fault but e.g. it's quite mysterious that a shoe named "Camila Cabello" shows up in Lauren's "Strangers" music video > this move screams PR! How to stay not delusional when moments like this happen on a regular basis? Let's wait and hopefully we'll find out one day.

Isn't it quite obvious that they liked each other?

yes, yes it is

They literally had sex in the bus

Allysus at its best 😂

+Totally Lost I love Ally, she's so cute, sweet, and funny. And I genuinely love all 5 of them

They were great together!

Do you know the history of this video? Camrenworld was freaking out about this moment. Camila posted a video on the next day (?) with the audio playing backwards. She said: "It's very important to know when you need to chill the fuck out." sun-to-my-luna.tumblr.com/post/151328358790/true

Guess we'll never know.

Unfortunately we don't think that this will ever happen (a Camren love happy end). But they will always be a cute couple and will always be real in our hearts 💖

LOL ...

Who told you that it was never real? My video? Maybe you should watch it again ...?

Haha, ok ...

Honestly same there’s just so many how am I supposed to read them all? I can’t even bring myself to read some cause I’m annoyed af by them being dumb. The stripper I can’t read I can’t stand Lauren’s stupidity

That's what we tell all the time. Camila's solo career BEFORE Havana was a blessing. She was funny, honest, raw, cute and ... now we don't even watch her interviews anymore because they all feel kind of ... don't even find words for it ...

Welcome on board, Vanessa! :)

We are part of a pretty funny CS community on Twitter. So if you wanna join, feel free: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You

True ... you will love my upcoming video :)

Yess .... :)

7/27 Tour Guadalajara. You'll find a lot of videos from this moment.

Haha, yeah .... see here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nLCgo62Su7vSgXk.html

L: "You're very kind to everyone. That's very nice." C: Thx" L: "Welcome. Eww" (whatever "Eww" means) C: "That's very nice"

In our hearts they will be real forever.

I hope and pray🙏🏻 that fate will bring them(CAMREN) back together someday.. After they succeeded in their dreams..

We're living in a homophobic world ...

Why?

Thank you!