What a dumb explanation by ramana disciples and ramana himself . Rubbish talk. No one cares what you say 😅😅😅

That is nonsense and not what Bhagavan has taught. "I am" does not enlighten mind and certainly mind does not enlighten consciousness. Nor does consciousness enlighten ego. This is all nonsensical gibberish.

​@@bernhard1071 see 5.36 I am is the original light that illumines the mind, illumines as enlightens , makes visible

To enlighten you, see better. Illuminating is making visible, enlightening..

@@TheAmbamatamantrasvideos No, that is not correct. "The original light" is only illuminating itself, it is pure and perfect. The mind or ego is a seeming spontaneous appearance within pure consciousness however pure consciousness neither is aware of mind/ego nor did it create/illuminate it. That is what Bhagavan has taught! That what "sees" phenomena or this world is only mind/ego since it IS ego. Pure consciousness does NOT see any phenomena!

@@bernhard1071 you mix consciousness with Awareness. Consciousness contains objects, forms, thoughts, Awareness is Empty

No, that is not correct. You have only a superficial understanding of Bhagavan's teaching and therefore you make comments which contradict him. Before uttering nonsense you should first make yourself familiar with his teachings. There is no pain in deep sleep. And there is no body in deep sleep, *LITERALLY* . That is what Bhagavan has taught. The bodies "you" see are a projection/creation of ego. Thus before any pain is perceived ego *MUST* have risen. Better get familiar with Bhagavan's teaching before making half-baked comments.

@bernhard1071 Again, if you are dead asleep, and God forbid something very painful happens to you, the pain will be registered, and you will immediately wake up. Is it not so? That leaves only 2 conclusions: either the ego is present in deep sleep or pain can be registered when the ego is not present. In this video, he stated it is only the ego that experiences pain. So then why would the pain wake you? Because in that moment, the body, without the ego present, experienced and registered pain. The only logical conclusion is that it is not only the ego that experiences pain. It seems you are upset with me or take me for a fool, and that's fine, but try to put that aside for a few moments and read and consider this carefully. Use your own logic and don't just cling to someone else's teachings, this is what all the great teachers, including The Buddha, urged people to do. If you feel the urge to insult someone else because their view doesn't align with your own, that's an indicator there is some sort of emotional attachment there.

@@WILD__THINGS You certainly make an argument based on your own personal experience, however that is not sufficient since the experiencer is ego and all experiences of ego are not real and illusory. The goal is self-realization or nirvana and that can only be understood when one relies on the teachings of those who actually have realized that like Sri Ramana. Of course we need to practically realize that too however that takes several life times and in the mean time it is good to have the blue print of a sage like Sri Ramana. Now Sri Ramana taught the concept of eka-jiva-vada, that there is only one self and therefore only one ego. That one ego projects/creates many bodies, however that what is real is only "you". If one falls asleep that one ego subsides and with that all phenomena or the entire universe. There is no body there to be stabbed (only in the viewpoint of an imagined other which is entirely illusory) thus in order that there is a world and a body which could be stabbed, *ego must rise FIRST. There is no world when you are asleep according to Sri Ramana.* Anyway, this is not an easy concept to grasp and I do not expect that you would do now, maybe in some future life times. So please believe what you like to believe just know that it is not the truth according to Sri Ramana. Now if you do not accept his absolute authority then you might go to a blog which handles Buddhism or other spiritual traditions. 🙏

@@WILD__THINGS so you wrote these two huge comments only to push buddhism over self-enquiry? tells me how little attention you really deserve.

When a surgery is performed under anaesthesia, there is pain in the body without the experiencer.

@@whoisthisI That is a good question, who are we? 😄 truly ...... Let's find out .............

It is never tough to be aware, what is tough is to withdraw one's awareness from everything what we not truly are, like phenomena and our likes and dislikes. Our addiction to that can only very slowly weaned off through atma-vichara. It's like a withdrawal from heroin addiction. 🙂

@@bernhard1071 being aware - if made as a method or formula then it becomes addiction like heroin or any drug addiction. Being aware not by telling a thousand times who am I.But people have made who am I as a method nowadays. Once the method is ended the same suffering begins. People can escape the living by drugs, god, idol, methods. If we try to understand things rather than following a chant or questioning then it's pure awareness. If you understand then it's living and then u can observe sleep/awake and all the awareness. It's tough for those to be aware if they merely follow who am I as a technique.

That what Sri Ramana called "I am" does not experience anything, you are distorting that totally. You are confusing "I am" with ego, that what we consider to be. Also consciousness cannot be downloaded to a robot, that is a wet dream by scientist but is impossible and will be always science fiction. Now what has that all to do with Sri Ramana's path? Nothing at all, in fact it is a waste of time to even consider this nonsense.

In practicing atma-vichara or self-attention, a practice Sri Ramana has described in the text "Nan Yar?" or "Who am I?".

No, one is *always* attached to ego until self-realization!

That experience you had is not the pure awareness Michael is talking about, all experiences are experienced by ego/mind. And no, *ego* has never experienced deep sleep, that what we currently believe to be. However that what we truly are, is aware *always* - also in deep sleep. If there would be no awareness in deep sleep then we would not remember in the morning that we indeed have slept. There are two awareness', a transitive (ego/mind) and an intransitive (pure awareness, or self, or atma-swarupa) awareness. The transitive is not aware of deep sleep, however the intransitive is. Anyway, all that is not for the casual seeker, this is all serious business and requires a life-long commitment, if one has no interest in that then one might as well keep watching the next ball game.

@@bernhard1071 Hm. Transient seeker you say? Hehe. You have no idea what my journey has been and how I approach it, so please spare me the the narrative that there is only one approach to enlightenment. That is not true. There is only this. This is it. It is this. You cannot escape it. You cannot end it. And you cannot experience anything else than this. When you fall asleep its nothing (except when u dream). Even the guru's cannot experience sleep. They can only conceptually interpret it after the fact like anybody else. And the fact that you remember that you have slept when you awake doesnt mean anything. Well, it means the same as remembering you had a sandwich a couple of minutes ago. Its just thoughts in the present about something in a perceived illusory past. So this is it. This will not help with pain. It will not help with happiness. It will not help with anything. This is it bro. And you cannot take a step in any direction. You can meditate until you are blue in the face and it still not gonna change that this is it. The reason being you are already here. You are already aware. I guess you can see this? If you are enlightened? Yet again, awareness or enlightenment are just words. Just concept from the egoic mind as you refer to it. It cannot be anything more and also you can never make the mind stop. You can fight it all you want. Still gonna continue bro:)! Aware or not aware.

You cannot take a step towards enligthenmemt because you are already here. There is no egoic mind.

@@brennhaggen My friend, you are certainly clueless regards Sri Ramana's teachings, I couldn't care less to which BS belief you adhere to, these videos are about Sri Ramana's teachings and nothing else. So annoying to deal with arrogant half-baked aspirants who do not understand Sri Ramana and, instead to ask for clarification, flaunt their own BS beliefs. "It's just words...", blablabla. God, all these inane seekers who parrot neo-advaita BS, God bless social networks, any half-wit can comment and *they do* !

There is So much judgement & So many assumptions about what someone knows & has experienced on their "journey". There are so many unhelpful, uninformed, programmed responses because the one making these statements is often not even "hearing" the info. that was shared. These "know it all" assumptions are destructive because it is ego talking, not a reflection/light of divine intelligence shining into the dream sense.

Be careful you aren’t falling into the trap of escapism. Of course you have a body, even if you identify with the awareness/presence/knowing, you’re still human on level of existence, don’t deny any part of yourself, identification with God is avoidance of humanity, be human too, both are equally you. You can be somebody, nobody, both, or neither; you don’t have to choose one or the other.

if you get a big punch in the face you will forget all the nonsense you said and scream in pain and your ego will burst in emotions. everything is energy condensed in different states of intensity. is not good or bad. its consciousness flowing, transforming from stillness to movement, no form to form. its a play.

The biggest BS uttered is "this or that *is used* " to imply the non-existence of ego. It seems aspirants have to go through this kind of delusion on the path to realization.

No, that is false, "I am" does not denote an experiencer. Only if you think it. But we ARE without the need to think, we exist before even one thought can arise. That "I" which simply exists (without a thought) is pure, simple being - "I am". In order to have clarity of that some practice is needed, a practice Sri Ramana called atma-vichara or self-attention.

@@bernhard1071 You said > "That "I" which simply exists (without a thought) is pure, simple being" This is a much, much better way of explaining it. My point is that the linguistic sentence "I am" is simply a poor and contradictory way of trying to express the notion of pure, simple being. The moment the verb to be is included we have introduced, at least, semantically, self consciousness, which is the domain of the separate self (ego). I know that this is not the intention of the sentence but that is what is implied in it linguistically and semantically.

@@sanekabc I hear your point and it makes sense. All these terms like "I am" can only be pointers and can never be described perfectly since "I am" is beyond duality and the comprehension of mind.

Blessed ❤fly !directly listening Bhagavan teaching from his vehicle which is carrying the eaching to us via zoom.

Huh? A fly wouldnt sit for such a long time on his forehead...?

It may be indicate that Micheal may not totally contemple the in self investigation so the fly may be thought the Michel body is true Micheal and didn't take flight as ego per Bhagawan teaching!

Michael is a great devotee and wouldn’t trouble a fly!

Agreed. Only I like to say fly didn't take flight. He has got no body sense that might be the reason he didn't feel the sensation of fly as he is delivering the Bhagawan teaching. It strange that the fly also didn't feels it's sence even with the movement of Micheal head. We have to wait for the next uplord to see that fly in the same place or took flight. He is more than devotee, in his view we don't know how is he feeling. In our view we are wasting our pressured time on discussing these than duwel on Sathvassana!

Because of our likes and dislikes, addiction to phenomena. We are addicted to that and because of that addiction we ignore that knowledge against better judgment. We are all addicts and that addiction needs to be weaned off before we are ready to accept the message of Bhagavan.

It doesn't happen directly, because it is a program running that is hidden in the unconscious Actually, if you ask who is experiencing xy, the mind goes blank This blankness is the place where "the ego" is hidden in form of memory etc. So, staying in this blankness (which is the general I am sense) will stirr up the movements hiding under this stillness in the unconscious and up comes some belief about yourself (it can take some time) And because the program is in layers and layers, you have to question who is observing the belief xy (go one level lower) You have to seriously go into this and need help from a teacher or texts. It cannot be done entirely by oneself, because the point you want to look at is the point you are looking from. It's not easy.

@@nadadenadax4903 This "blankness" is not the "I am" sense, that is BS. And one does not need a teacher, as long as one has understood how to properly practice atma-vichara then nothing else is needed. However looking at your comment you have not the faintest clue how to properly practice atma-vichara.

@@bernhard1071 true I don't even know what BS is, nor atma vichara But I do know, how my consciousness works and what it is. Well, just wanted to give you a clue. Didn't know you were so advanced. So, good luck on your way! ❤️

@@nadadenadax4903 You are at the wrong spot then, this is about Bhagavan's teachings, not about your half-baked musings and ideas about consciousness. BS is bullshit by the way but you of course know this. 😀

Of course does the body get pain, that's what Michael is saying. However the body is not what is perceiving pain, that is only mind/ego! Now you should not comment and judge something you obviously have no clue of and you sound like a religious sectarian. So go and repent yourself and leave others be.