"The only thing I feel when I pull the trigger is the recoil of my gun" is a such a cold line

If you kill a killer, but that killer was going to kill a hundred killers, how many killers did you kill?

"Killing the Joker won't solve anything." "It would solve a lot of things actually."

Maybe this would be a better quote for Batman? “If you kill a killer, their victims won’t return. It only ensures more people die.”

"I dont kill my enemies." "Maybe that's why you have a lot of them."

I like the idea that Batman found the quote on Reddit or something and just threw it at Jason without really thinking

"The only thing I feel when I pull the trigger.......is the recoil of my gun" Thats actually a badass line.

*Appplause!* Bruce: Did you really out of your way to install a speaker just for that joke? Jason: Yes

"Jason we can't use guns" "Why not, Bruce?" "Because we'd be way too OP if we could just shoot people"

"I don't enjoy killing but when done righteously it's just a chore like any other"

Jason: If a bullet train leaving Metropolis at 100 MPH with ten killers on it heads towards Gotham City while, at the same time, a locomotive with twenty killers on it going 50 MPH travels to the same station in Gotham City, How long will it be before the two trains collide and how many killers will survive the full speed impact of the two trains? Batman: Alfred, I think I need my graphing calculator...

"If you kill a killer, the number of killers remains the same." "So convince them to do it for you?" "Jason, no."

"What I feel Bruce, is the gratitude of the people who won't die because the killer is dead. Their mothers, their fathers, their sons and daughters, their friends; I feel the gratitude of everyone who knows them. You're so focused on your own trauma that you don't see the bigger picture."

Batman doesn't kill because a dead joker doesn't sell comics.

“If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world remain the same.” Jason: Yet; the numbered killed is reduced.

Batman: If you kill a killer the number of killers in the world remains the same. Jason: Okay but if you kill a hundred killers that number goes down by a lot.

"When seeking revenge, dig two graves" "I'm going to be killing a lot more than two people though"

At some point you’d think Batman would see the millions of people Joker has killed and be like “yeah maybe my logic isn’t working for this guy specifically.”

Bruce's ultimate argument-winning strategy for when you've run out of valid points and counterpoints? Just slam the other guy's head into a wall.

So if Jason already killed a bunch of killers before this conversation, like he claims to have done, he's already a killer. And so, what's the harm in letting him continue to reduce the total number of killers in the world?

"Killing the joker won't solve anything!" Literally everyone with common sense will see the flaw here

I love that Batman never mentions the troops that fought in WW2. Imagine him giving the "killing is never ok" speech to a guy who stormed Normandy 😂

If violence doesn't solve your problem that mean you aren't using it enough.

Finally, a character actually shuts down that damn statement but Batman's question of feeling remorse for ending a life is a pretty valid question, some people can be spared, SHOULD be spared

“The only thing I feel when I pull the trigger is the recoil of my gun” That line did not need to go so hard 💀

Imagine how many lives would be saved if batman just shot the joker.

On one hand I agree with Batman that some criminal deserve a second chance or may be in serious need of mental help but the on the other hand the Joker repeatedly kills innocents and therapy has been shown to not work on him so if Jason did kill Joker he would just be stopping more innocents from dying

No no, Jason is cooking here

For a man who prides himself as an embodiment justice and vengeance, Batman sure does a terrible job at giving the family of homicide, murder and manslaughter victims justice.

Fun fact about this film: Rewatch the entire fight scene in the bathroom. The bathroom doesn't have a door. How is one supposed to use it?

"If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world remains the same" Yeah, but here's a question. if you kill a killer, how many more murders happen in the world after that? especially compared to the Joker's scoreboard?

If I was Batman, I would be like: I don‘t kill people, bullets do

"If you fight for ideals, then all you can really save are ideals." -Archer, Fate Stay Night

Okay but if you kill all the killers then there's one serial killer. If you kill yourself there's no more killers and you enter Hell as a legend.

The no kill rule started as the standard run of the mill reason why the main antagonists get to stay around. However as the stories kept coming and devious deeds didn’t decrease in damage and dastardliness they had to stretch the rule further and further to keep them around. Eventually they ended up gaslighting themselves and the audience. My head cannon is that batman doesn’t kill his villains because if he did it’d get boring and he would have nothing to do.

Jason: Joker kills at least 3 digit number of people each month. If I kill Joker, how many people will get murdered? Edit: I forgot how Joker operates.

If you kill a killer, but that killer was going to kill multiple other people if you didn't, the number of killers may remain the same, but the number of people killed will be less. And I know there's no guarantee IRL that a person will kill other people, but in fictional worlds, it starts to become tiresome when the hero not only lets their villains live but GOES OUT OF THEIR WAY to keep the villains alive when all of us in the audience know that doing so is simply going to lead to more innocent people dying in the future. I respect heroes who have that level of self-control, but there comes a point when demonizing the act of taking a human life, no matter how justified it is, becomes ridiculous. (If anything I think the logic would actually make more sense IRL than in fictional superhero universes, because for some reason prisons are just completely incompetent in superhero universes and it's extremely easy for villains to escape.)

Punisher : Hmmmm seems like a good solution to me Red hood : Thanks

Batman is a narcissist who can't admit when he is wrong.

Honestly, when it comes to comics, its a moot point anyways, since any hero or villain will just come back to life through some convoluted means. Jason himself came back because Superboy Prime punched a hole in reality, or Raz tossed him into the Lazarus Pit, depending on which continuity you go with. Even if Batman or Red Hood did kill the Joker, he would just come back as a grinning zombie, have a mutated clone, or even have a chip implanted on someone to turn them into a Joker... wait.

Now this is how you should deal with batman's no kill problem. Be a smartass and trigger him enough to seethe

Even if the number of killers remained the same, Jason isn’t putting up Joker numbers, hitting triple doubles at the morgue. So it definitely changed something for the better

Supeheroes are good people whose desire to do good is restricted by the fact that comic books about them still need to be sold. The story can't ever end. The villains can't ever be finally defeated.

The fact you switched to Bruce beating the shit out of Jason is the cherry on top

Batmans logic is why so many people have died, every time he lets the joker live, the joker kills hundreds more, killing the joker once means saving all those lives at the cost of someone who has murdered tens of thousands. The logic of you will be no better then them is the stupidest thing in the world. The punisher worked out.

Batman refused to kill because he doesn't want to step over the line meanwhile Jason is already dead....there is no line left for him so why not just let him kill all the villains in 1 night, at least Jason knew where the limit are.

“When you kill someone, you encourage people who normally wouldn’t to kill people. The number of killers remain the same.”

The reason batman doesn't kill (aside from meta reasons) is because he believes in redemption, rehabilitation, and because he doesn't want to start multiple cycles of violence. His way is definitely still flawed, but he does have reasons for how he operates.

The thing is batman, sure the number of killers will stay the same, but at least the new killer isn't an insane psychopathic criminal unlike the previous killer

Peacemaker: "Then kill more killers, asshole!!"

And that's why Batman will never be the hero that Jason is.

The amount of killers dropped significantly l, yet the amount of mass genociders grew

I am strictly against the death penalty, but in the DC universe where criminals always escape and it is impossible to stop them from killing people, killing them makes a lot of sense.

"I don't kill people. I just break their bones and cripple them cause I'm a good guy" - Batman

That version of Jason in this video was banger

I feel like when he said "World's greatest detective" thats when the joker shiulda interjected with a laugh or just laughing the whole time in the background. It's all cool though.

Batman brings up very valid points: if Jason Feels nothing when taking a life, can he really be trusted with the power to take mo-? ..oh its JOKER's Life? Nevermind then.

Aside from the last two lines this passes as a genuine interaction.

“If you kill a killer the number of killers, might increase.” -Unknown

Amen, Jason. Amen

i feel like it was a missed opportunity to not have the joker do the round of appaulse

Common red hood w

Batman should've just called Jason a hypocrite or something.

Batman: Kill a killer & the number of killers in the world will remain same. Punisher: Thats why I won't stop.

"In my eyes it's just simple math. If someone starts subtracting the amount of killers in the world, the amount of killers in the world goes *down."* - Captain Obvious

I agree with Jason in this one, If You let a criminal live and he/she continues killing, You are directly responsible and are and indirect killer.

And that's why I like the Punisher.

Batman just afraids that darkness in his heart going to consume him

If you kill a murderer the number of murderers is reduced by one, and the number of their victims is significantly fewer.

Batman needs to make a decision. Is his goal to protect the innocent citizens of Gotham or is it to be a cop and arrest criminals? Hint: He isn't a cop. Put it another way. How many times has Batman captured a psychotic killer and put them away, only to have them escape and kill again? The death of every innocent civilian killed by a criminal Batman put away is partly due to Batman's crippling inability to make the hard decisions.

more like the world's greatest mathematician

What you feel taking a human life? Recoil

Joker probably would start clapping there lol

same vibe as “when going on a journey of revenge, dig two graves” “what a stupid fucking quote, im killing way more than two people idiot”

The world's greatest detective refuses to acknowledge basic math

This is actually really well made congrats

In Hulu’s Hit Monkey, the titular character has a code of who he kills. Only kill killers. If your gang up is stuffing out the life of a person, the least you can do to is acknowledge even killing a killer is at best a necessary evil, which is still try to avoid when you can. I mean, I’m pretty sure the main reason Batman has a no killing role is so he does whip out most of his own roughs gallery, and basically destroy the stacks of his own narratives.

i think invincible handles it the best. in the comics he realizes that killing people changes things, but it might not be the answer.

It always about the number of killers when it should be about the number of victims.

I feel like the opportunity to put the joker for “ladies and gentlemen give a round of applause” would’ve been funnier

It always bugs me that they give Batman such horrible arguments when the easiest way to explain his no-kill rule is that he doesn't kill people because he wants to save everyone, even if its from themselves. Here he doesn't want to kill Jason, he wants to save Jason.

Always love how Bruce never seems to figure out why Gotham still sucks. It's because rather than improve infrastructure, healthcare, police etc...he'd rather beat criminal's up and use his borderline limitless budget to ride fancy cars and blow things up. Very seldom does it feel like he is actually interested in helping society and not just satisfying his own ego with his fist's and gadget's.

Batman's better reasoning for not killing people was that he was afraid he couldn't go back, that he would become a monster himself. The rule was moreso for him

I think the real issue is Bruce wayne isn’t paying the Judges to give Joker the Death Penalty

Batman is so smart he knows if he kills his rogues gallery, he'll have nothing left to do That's the only way you can justify it at this point

In the defense of Batman, Gotham is cursed to always be crime ridden. So in the event that Joker does actually die, someone else on a variating scale of crazy would replace him.

"you know what jason?" "that's the edgiest thing I heard in my entire life"

Jason: Riddle me this Batman

Batman: "... you know what? I actually never thought about it like that! I _should_ be killing all my enemies!" Nightwing: "See? Now that wasn't so hard, was it?" Batman: "And then kill myself!" Nightwing: "What?" Batman: "I mean, seeing my parents killed infront of my eyes at such a young age right after we had all gone to the movies together... I could never live with myself if I took another life or stood by while a life was taken. But I don't _have_ to. I could kill every killer in Gotham City and then kill _myself_ when I'm done!" Nightwing: "Um, okay listen I didn't mean it like that." (Batman shoots the Joker in the head) Nightwing: Jesus Christ! Batman: Hehe, I don't feel a thing. Not even a twinge of guilt or shame. For years that damm clown was trying to push me to break my one rule with his mind games. And for years I resisted out of stubborness and because frankly his games were stupid and juvinile. But now... there's nothing but cold hard logic. I will never be happy. I could never have _been_ happy. But now... I could just put a bullet in the head of every damm murderer in the world.... or the _universe_ and when it's done and I have to think of what I've done, I could just off myself and finally be at pe-" (Thunk) (Reverse Flash appears right behind Batman, having knocked him out at super speed.) Reverse Flash: "Just giving you an option right now. No judging. Do you wanna back in time a few minutes and try something else?"

A true hero would be willing to become a killer so that others could live. Joker keeps breaking out of prison and murdering hundreds but as long as Batman keeps his hands and consciousness clean it's all ok?Come on!

This video was sponsored by the death penalty

Meanwhile The Punisher: "Hold on. Let him talk."

0:20 "JESUS CHRIST"😂😂😂😂 Bro, also Jason actually stopped Batman with kindergarten word problems.

It’s hard to argue against him because he’s right. He even says that in the Movie that he’s not talking about killing Penguin, Ivy, Freeze, Riddler, or even Bane. He’s not talking about killing victims or the people who keep the crime rate in check, but the man who’s entire existence is to bring chaos and entropy, to break Gotham. The only reason Batman refuses to do this (besides the whole Batman who laughs thing and the robot he designs to activate if he kills), is because he knows he won’t be able to stop. He’s already Judge and Jury to those he fights, if he becomes the executioner then he spirals on a path nobody can bring him out of and nobody can stop him when he starts. I like the one line from The Dark Knight Returns part 2, “All the people I’ve killed, by letting you live.” “I never kept count.” “I HAVE.” He realizes the price of his code, but he fundamentally cannot allow it to be broken if he has the choice. No matter how he fills in the matter, if he starts he can’t stop.

i like to think the applauses were actually audible in the area they were, but they just went with it rather than finding where tf it is coming from

1:16 Honestly, even though mathematically, Batman is wrong, the fact, Jason doesn’t feel anything kind of proves a Batman was morally right

Lowkey where did the line "Only feel the recoil of my gun" came from? Because I refuse to believe it came from 40k

That's kinda the thing you're being a smart ass to the person that can kick your ass.

The heroes never think to create prison designed and operate by them. The prison have to be impossible for bribe and can seal any power with very advanced tech. Joker and others will not escape every week with that kind of prison.

I think there is various comic and especially animated media, on why becoming a serial killer to cleanse the world of killers is a bad idea.