If you’ve been to art school, what would you do differently if you went again?

I hate the fact that this podcast isn’t that popular. It’s so full of wisdom and great pointers

I'm not even going to art school but I sure as hell am gonna listen to this

"I *HAD* a big ego" "Had?" "Shut up." Love their friendship/tandem so much! Such a big fan!

Thank you for making my decision easy. "To go or Not to go" to an Art school..... I'll ask my boy to watch all these episodes and decide what he wants to do.

Can you make a segment about posture, using your elbow and all those motoric and health-related aspects of Draftmanship? Thank you for your podcasts, I watched them all in a two weeks. :)

I love that Marshall gets so excited about the assignments he gives his students that he ends up doing the assignments as well.

36:40 "I'm Stan Prokopenko" I lost it

I always feel a bit wiser after watching ANY of these sessions of DRAFTSMAN.

stan sounds so excited to show marshall his standing desk thing lmao. "dude!!!"

I will watch it regardless, I can't get enough of Marshall and his wisdom 😭

Don’t feel locked in your major! I went to an Ivy League for Animal Science and be a vet. I was a top student in high school and my lack of academic struggle really bite me in the butt. I was stubborn on wanting to be a vet and believed I wanted to be it, since preschool. I was wrong, but I didn’t figure it till I was a Junior. I was putting so much more effort and enjoying my minor of video game art. Since I’ve graduated I’ve been focusing on increasing my art and making great progress because I’m finally letting me be myself. These podcast helps me be motivated in learning stuff outside of school and using the skills I had a rough time lacking during college. So basically use these tips, it’s not about the school, or class it’s about the students willingness to learn. CHANGE YOUR MAJOR IF YOU HATE IT. Don’t be a stubborn idiot like me!

Can you make an episode about visual storytelling? I found out about the importance of it only a few weeks ago and I dont see a lot of content about it. Would greatly appreciate a segment/episode about it, even if not in this season.

You learn languages faster when your older it you start learning your first language over years of being a kid you just notice how long it takes more when your older

Shout out to Marshall! I took his anatomy class (twice) and his composition class in the 90's. They were by far the best and most informative art classes that I experienced. He's a great teacher! Good to see and hear you Marshall. Thanks to you both for the vids - they're great listens for painting in the studio.

I sat through all the episodes of your podcast. I think that more than the fact of me being a serious student it has been a matter of listening to two people that know what they're talking about and can communicate such informations in an effective way without being boring. (I hope this phrase makes sense) I'm currently attending an art academy in Italy and I found many of your advice interesting if not helpful. I look forward for more episodes, one about must reads would be awesome.

Marshall is so WISE! I bow my head before your wisdom, SIR!

I haven't went to art school (I went to engineering school) if I can repeat: -research schools in depth (good and bad) -research yourself: ask yourself tough questions or find ones online to answer to yourself of what you can do, desires and needs in life, personality, personal issues you may have to better put you in a place for success in all areas of your life. - HAVE A BACKUP PLAN (Do Not be narrow minded and think it's destiny, but life is unexpecting. I hope this helps whoever is out there. God bless.

My dad told me that it didnt matter that id get my animation degree from a small not very popular school. That as long as I have good stuff to show, ill be an interesting addition. And I didnt believe him at first. Hes not an animation/art expert!! But now.. that YOU told us that thats true. An art expert. I started to believe. Insecurity about becoming an animator for a business have always been haunting me. So its amazingly motivating to hear this from an actual expert. Ill work my ass off (And take breaks ofcourse) to get there now! WIth a smile on my face

I went to Cypress then transferred to Long Beach State that was known to have a exceptional design schools and got my BFA in Visual Communications that I am very proud of. Good schools are hard to get into and you really have to be dedicated. 3.0 GPA. Portfolio Reviews. Internships. Another example would be an Art Center Illustration major. So many good people came out of that particular program. Dedication is the key word.

...anyone know what the school that shut down/the school that was more of a real estate venture are?

This entire time I thought I was in art school just listening to this podcast....

That realization of Proko that he is in debt hit home. 🤣

I'm sure this talk was about minor cases of post graduate depression but I just want to highlight how bad it can get. I went to college for design and graduated on May 2022. Up to that point I had struggled with anxiety and had taken medication for that, but no depression. In my case it started slowly creeping in while I was doing an undergraduate thesis, which was mandatory in my school; it signalled the end of college for every student. By the time I graduated, I was definitely depressed. I did get a job a few months after but by the end of that year my mental health was worse than it had ever been, and the post graduate thing was the start of it all. There was no way of being productive in that situation. I couldn't work on my portfolio, I couldn't work on getting better, I could only show up to work and do the bare minimum to survive. There was no way out without help. After 2 years of treatment I came off the antidepressants. Just the other day I was able to finish a drawing that I liked (after so long!), and I cried so hard when I realized that I now feel okay and that I still enjoy drawing. What makes me accept the fact that this happened is that I had loved ones who had depression and honestly, I only truly understand it now that I went through it myself. This was the most horrible experience I've ever had in my life and I didn't even have it as bad as some of my loved ones had. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. So from the bottom of my heart I hope that every person with post graduate depression can come out of it after a short while, but we really need to pay attention to it in case it becomes something worse.

This series is such pure gold, I've watched them all from S1 to S2 up to this episode and have been foaming about them to my art and game design friends and teachers, just today I talked nearly an hour to my art teacher to encourage her to check this series up, since it is such pure genius and so full of invaluable insight

pure gold, i recommend to everyone to do the same as i do, rewatch and break down not only the art school episodes but all the previous ones aswell

So about art school - I know this is pre-recorded, but maybe in a future episode could you mention going to non-“art”colleges and studying art. I’m going to my city’s main college and studying art but I am not in the same environment of an arts school (maybe). Question was brought on by Marshall mentioning he studied and taught at a community colleges’s art department. Lovely episode thanks for the food for thought! Have a great day you two.

I sat through all of the videos, some of them multiple times and I am more than grateful for all the insight, resources and advice you gave me and other people. So thank you. And looking forward to hear more about composition because I am really struggling with idea generation, thumbnailing, composition and colours...

A Marshall youtube channel would be the best ever. So much knowledge, positivity & respect for each point of view

Hey guys my name is Manuel from Mexico I will really love you guys to do an episode on ateliers Congratulations for your show

I'm pretty late to the party but I just wanted to share some of my thoughts after having experienced these amazing podcasts, as a 20 years old almost bachelor from Europe! First of all, I couldn't really apply to either of the categories, and I'll explain why. I've been a self taught artist all of my life UNTIL 2 years ago when I finished highschool (one unrelated to arts) and went to an art college, as I had planned some years ago. I STILL AM a self taught artist, but with a little bit of "spice". Unlike the people coming from a well-developed place (such as America) where you have a handfull of possibilities to choose from that will lead you to the career you envision, I come from a small country in Europe: Romania that isn't really there yet to put it like that. So, the college I applied for (in decorative arts-graphics section 3 years) was the one and only option close to my village that I could afford, the 3rd best art college in my country (sadly)a place where "you develop your art skills at an academic level" or so I thought... It's pretty much a "modern art banana on the wall and random lines" joke as I see it, and I'm halfway through it... I didn't set up high expectations when I began studying here, but men was I still let down... Maybe it wouldn't have been that bad if the whole pandemic thing wasn't around and I got to experience it as a normal bachelor, but unfortunately those are the times we are living in... So, no one teaches us anything pretty much, that's why I said I'm still a self taught artist. The only thing you get or you have to beg for like a little puppy in order to pass the class is "critique" coming from teachers that you are supposed to believe know their stuff even if you don't know anything about their career and haven't seen even a corner of one of their artpieces ... So, why am I still "studying" here? Honestly I ask myself this question all the time, and if I had the means, courage and money to move somewhere else in order to pursue this career I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I don't, I can't afford any radical change like that for now, the pandemic is still a thing and whatever nuggets of art experience I'm getting from here I'm getting it for free (as long as I keep up the good grades) so that's pretty much what keeps me going. For me, it was esential to take this "art thing" seriously after doing it my whole life as a hobby, since I really wanted to give it a go, to prove myself that I can do it, I can enter an art college and graduate with at least a bachelor's degree. I always had a passion for art and am pretty talented *not to brag, but I didn't evolve from sketching, and this big step proved to me something, because no matter how shi*ty this snoby art college is, you still had to have some level of skill to get accepted into it. And to be fair, some classes really do offer you a tad bit of knowledge besides "free theme" assignments if you work hard on them, unfortunately so very few from the already small assortment of classes. What I really wanted to get at is, in my opinion artists should attend even a crappy college to get those benefits: you get to meet and go through this experience with people that share your passion, and it is a solidification of the idea that "this is my career now. Art is a real field and I'm part of it" and that's a big deal if you are coming from a place where art is meaningless. However, what I would change about my experience if I had some money and I hadn't been a student who values grades so highly, I would do it as a side gig, more relaxed. I wouldn't take the assignments that REALLY don't make any sense for me so seriously and focus on 3 projects at most rather than doing my best at everything. I've written a whole novel in here but it helped me conclude this subject with myself, and if someone happens to read my comment and get something out of it I'm more than glad to have opened up about it here. Thank you Mister Stan and Mister Marshall for putting in a great amount of time and effort in these podcasts in order to help us!!!

Great season guys, thanks for all the wisdom!

Thank YOU for making these podcasts😍

a great series, thanks for your insights. Very valuable.

Such a great episode. I so wish that back in 89-90 there were not only podcasts but also such easy ways to look into a school. This would have kept me from dropping out of architecture school

I'm also so glad you guys did it!

2:02 Marshall: ... gonna ask me how I'm doing? Stan: *so staggered by the question that he changes his outfit*

I'm excited for the upcoming composition episode!

That balance board is genius!

Thanks for the podcast Marshall and stan

Great video! I love the back and forth energy they both have. I recently graduated from an art college. I don't regret going because I got to know Marshall. He's a great teacher and an even better friend and advocate for the arts. Marshall was DEFINITELY talking about me with the 18 credits thing hahaha. We even had a talk about it while I was doing this and my reasoning was because I couldn't afford to stay more than four years at the expensive college, but once I graduated I would get a free class (as promised by the college). I have my own personal regrets in my last semester, but I would say I wish I had applied to more studio internships before graduating. I'll probably never go back to the college for the free class again.

can u pls upload all of marshal's knowledge, voice and personality into a software and distribute it for all to enjo, seriously cant get enough of him, id like to have him as my mentor 24/7

I know this is a late comment and hope to catch up to the newer episodes soon, but I just have to say this. This podcast has inspired me and pulled me out of a dark space. I've been directionless in my career (not in art) and felt soulless for quite a considerable extent of my early 20's. I took several 'practical' career paths that avoided art because of the deluded thought it would be guaranteed employment and stable income which would result in happiness. I was wrong and I made some terrible career decisions because I lacked passion in what I was doing. This put me into a deep depression. One of the saving graces was the time I was able to create art. However, I thought that a career in art was beyond me because I didn't study it, what I was doing would never get better and no one would want my artwork even if I paid them to take it from me because I was not talented. This series made me realize those were pitiful excuses. Here are some thoughts I dealt with and how I've learnt to change those thoughts. - I'm terrible at making art (this is imposter syndrome, everyone has it, you are an imposter because you are learning, just keep practicing and you'll get there...), - I'm colorblind and can't mix colors properly (This is not as limiting a disability as I initially thought and can bring uniqueness, I can focus on other aspects more intensely, I'm not limited to the color wheel if I can't see it properly), - I lack skill and technique (something I now know can be developed and improved upon with lessons and practice, and I don't need to go to college for those lessons). - People will laugh at me if they see my work. (All I need to do is build a community of people facing the same thoughts, to realize that there are people who will appreciate my work like I do and help me critically analyze my work to get better at it) There is nothing on that list that can't be overcome with determination and constant healthy self-reflection. Once I realized that, I felt free and absolved of my guilt over my love for the arts and the desire to pursue it. The happiness and fulfillment it brings me means more than money from a job I hate. It will take hard work and unwavering discipline to get to a point where I could consider myself valuable as an artist, but it can be done. Everyone here can excel in art regardless of age, education, or background, but it requires immense responsibility from the individual. We need to be our own keepers, use our passion as fuel, our wisdom from lessons in 'the real world' as guidance and put ourselves out there to build a community to grow in. I may potentially never realize a career as an artist, but I now know that I can't live without creating art and with that resolution I can't wait to start that journey of trying. - Thank you for lighting that fire, Draftsmen team. I now know my purpose and goal.

woot! new episode yay!

This one podcast... I wish, WISH I could have listened to this arguments before going to a 3 year arch school, this idea that you need time to pay attention to your own projects. Making a right call is quite difficult at that age... Much more after some of the usual hs antics you have to overcome to actually value the learning experience.

The best plan is to take all the interesting courses, put minimum effort into the assignments, and apply the knowledge on your spare time to your passions. No one will ever ask about your grades. People are only interested in your actual skills and, in some cases, that you have a certain degree. This is true for all fields.

im living with status and with geography that makes me completely impossible to get into artschool or learn fundamentals... that DIY artschool is my "go to" now... thanks alot... sets my ass on fire giving me better direction... thnks Marshall and Stan, - poor-guy-from-the-Philippines-at-the-foot-of-dumpsite just wait i'll buy that anatomy course and that intro to perspective soon!!!!!! BIG THANKS!!!!!!!!!

Random thanks on a random draftsmen! Thanks Stan and Marshall!

There is always this pattern in any Art School, artists that succeded never give credit to the School and artist that fails always and I mean always blames the School. So if an art school dont give you enough tools you are the only one to blame, do extra exercises read books to try to be the best one in class, even if the rest of the students don't care. Don't put all responsibility to the School. Great video guys.

Lol Stan you got owned by Marshall, that was the funniest snippet of Draftsmen I've seen to date..

Ah yesss, a Post Graduation Depression they're talking about at last and that's my dealing with

finished my first year of college in the art program.. honestly considering dropping out bc it doesn't really teach the fundamentals and i've been teaching myself all the stuff i actually want to know :)))

Thank you so much for listening? No, thank YOU guys for making this podcast.

I love u Proko and dont get me wrong here, but I LIVE for Marshall and Aaron Blaise wisdom, I never grow tired of listening to them. When are u bringing guests to the podcast??

Wait wait wait! Marshall is teaching without a degree?! There is a future in academics even if you don't have a degree? How?!

I don't have many options in Argentina. Not many Art Schools, practically one university of art which is public and it takes you 10 years to fulfill the program(or more! that's the average time!). The other option is a private school that is not Art only, but mostly multimedia. So, you have animation and graphic design mostly. And then some courses, one of which I took, Digital Illustration (a couple of months, not much depth, still good though). And its expensive, of course. None of them actually has a full program with the stuff that I want to learn, so I took that course, I enrolled in public school, and I'm learning through books and online classes (and listening to you guys,you helped me so damn much!) .

Composition episode would be wonderful!

art school drop out here, still listening. wish i listened before going lol. school here doesn't cost nearly as much as that of us or eu but still wasted some money and time. but don't regret the stuff i learned tho.

i really wish you guys talked about eidetic memory or visual memory in artists like stepehn willtshire or kim jung gi, jung gi has said he thinks he has capability to remember things for longer than the average person, stephen wiltshire was born with a condition which makes it hard for him to comunnicate or talk but has great visual memory, some say its the way you learn things as a kid,please do atleast a episode on this!

At timestamp 52:00 the phenomenon Marshal is referring to is studied in economics. It's called the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

It was valuable to know,very informative.

@54:59 Cal Arts?

Welcome to the most useful Podcast for artists

Marshal needs to start watching the nine club experience, a lot of great stories of success specially the first episodes with the legends of skateboarding.

I am not taking any summer classes. I do not have a portfolio ready for getting into BFA program, but right now I am taking time to learn about art business, before fall semester, and making a lot of art this summer. I don’t know if I will do freelance as my first art job or if I will go into storyboarding, or whatever comes up in the future, but I want to get paid for making art either as I finish college or after graduating.

fun fact: this series motivated me to join art school haha

Where was this 4 years ago. Regrets of going to uni are big

To Marshall's last point about the buying power of students forcing change: the art school i want to had a huge contingent of international students who basically bankrolled the school with their higher tuition. That system had its advantages I'm sure, but it all but erased domestic students' (and potential domestic students) ability to leverage their buying power to get change. I'm not sure how widespread this practice is in art universities, but its something to consider.

very inspiring, than you, guys!

Make a playlist with all the art school episodes.

I would love it if Marshell would be a art teacher in my college for a semester either spring or fall. I'd so sign up n take it. :D

Hello Draftmen!! Thank you for the series. Very insightful. My one question would who are the artist on your walls? I really liked the on the left of Marshall. Thank you.

Community college here in MA is $800 per 3 credit course. That's less than university, yes, but that's far from nothing too.

you can learn a language easier as a baby because the brain is primed for language learning at that time. That ability diminishes after age 11, but that does not mean you can't learn languages later. Immersion is best for learning a language. Older students may have more problems with information retention. The advantage that older students have is life experience, which provides more points of connection with the material. The foundation is much broader. Younger minds are more mouldable, but older ones have more inner resources to critically assess the material they are engaging with - at least in theory. Good teachers/bad teachers - there are bad teachers, but even a bad teacher can be a good one for some students. In the end of the day, the student decides how and what they learn and what they make of it.

How-to-Teach, Composition, and Social Media would ALL be topics I'm eager to hear about: I rely on Social-media for my freelancing work, I'm always down to hear more about composition, and I'm starting to help beginning artists lately, and would love to know some advice of what to do/avoid. Thanks y'all!

I want to study at an atelier but I don't know how I'm supposed to pay rent/living expenses + tuition as a full-time student.

um i'm preparing to enter an art school does that count?

Marshall is so dead on right about art school students taking too many credits. I was able to drop out early and start working professionally and I always took 8-12 credits. All my peers are still in school taking 18+ credits and cramming every semester.

This video came 5 days after i got my acceptance letter from the school of my choice 😁

It is a big misconception that babies learn a different language faster. I don’t remember what study it was, but out of different age group, teenagers learned faster, then the grade school kid and the baby didn’t even know it was a different language.

you guys should start taking phone calls while filming!

I am trying to find an artist that would take me in as an apprentice. I had an opportunity at one time but was unable to really take the opportunity because I was unsure if it was a plausible career choice because I didnt know any artists at the time, so I missed the opportunity. Now I am 100 percent sure that I am an artist and now exploring community college part time and taking weekend non-taught classes. But I would love to be an apprentice to an artist(s)

I will soon go to an artschool for gameart. I think thats way different from "normal" artschools . Way more specific and efficient. I will be 7000€ in dept tho

Appreciated mixed advice, though tuition has grown drastically ove decades so comparisons are not 1-1 :(

This is a question for Marshall: You mentioned in this episode that you lost three 'middle-aged' students due to "1920/1080 .jpeg'". What is this in reference to? It sounds like a 'monitor's screen setting'. Would you mind elaborating a little more, please? Also: "PLEASE DO NOT END THESE 'DRAFTSMEN' Tutorials". I'm and an 'older' gentleman, but still thoroughly enjoyed ALL eight episodes!

My uni has that were they own the copyright to anything made at the school

hearing Stan say he only took 4 classes gave me such a sense of relief about myself also taking only 4 classes. how about you guys?

It's a myth that you learn slower and harder as you age. It's more a matter of being emotionally set in your ways, not a learning disability or "old brain." Scientifically, there are no barriers to learning as you age.

still that old guy from the cartoon intro is everybody but marshall!

I want to get into game concept art, but I don't think my art is industry ready. I'm 24 and I feel like I'm already too old and my parents are pressurizing me to take up a post grad course by 2022. I don't know, I'm confused.

Marshall should be a voice actor.

Look up one video on how to draw. Now all my recommendation is full of videos on art subject.

The start of the video killed me

Babies actually "aquire" language, they dont learn it as you'd do algebra. People of any age may aquire any language through what is called "comprehensive imput". I think this sort of aquisition can work for art aswell.

Hi!

1) I would look at the current jobs the teachers are working 2) not settle for a local college and go to a better rated program

Four years? *laughs in German art student*

dat ending tho lol

*me cries in third world country* im going to art school here and ive learnt NOTHING, everything i know i learned online. The only good thing about it is getting art friends which is awesome

LOL are you talking about Art Center? I love their portfolios, but I've also heard they all look the same.