Hi lovely people! Gabriel and I made another great video for his channel that you can check out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdWBlJdzstbOpI0.html

Luca is one of the most impressive multilingual people I have seen on KZfaq. He has deep functional ability in many languages.👋

This reminds me my English learning years ago. I had regular language classes at school, but during evening walks with the dog, I quarreled with myself on a topic. Thinking in English only was quite limiting, so I always lost that disputes. So, after having returned home, I checked vocabulary I had been missing in a dictionary, and on the next day I started over again. An interesting experience that was, even though I ultimately lost all the disputes . 😄

I tried to delay my output as long as I could (for the reasons you mentioned), but honestly, interacting with a native speaker of the language is so much more fun and motivating for me compared to input with media. So I found a great half-way step in between input and output. I book an Italki lesson, and I bring a list of English sentences that I want to learn how to say in my target language. My tutor then teaches me how to form those sentences. After a few weeks or months of that, when I'm starting to see the patterns, get a hang of the grammar, and predict how to form many kinds of sentences on my own, we will gradually mix in more and more free conversation, too. (I do input with media separately from this, too, but the italki lessons are hands down my favorite language learning activity.)

Confirmations from a fellow polyglot; 1) Keep a notebook. Write the words down AND spell out the pronunciation. Be organized and legible as you write. Pronunciation is exponentially more important than grammar, and is a key to speaking like a native. If you can’t be understood (by saying a word correctly), then you’ve already lost. The notebook is wonderful because You can look over your notes at any passing moment during your day for a refresh and review. If you’re a “flash card kid”, you can transpose your harder words and phrases to flash cards. Writing the words and saying them aloud, and using them in a sentence, will drive them into your memory. 2) comprehensible input. Olly Richards and other polyglots reference this a lot. Find content you ENJOY watching and/or listening to, and indulge! It shouldn’t feel boring or forced. Netflix and KZfaq have you covered here if you will just LOOK 👀 3) Slowly begin trial and error as you form your own language learning system. There is no rigid program that works for all learners, especially adults. Mine is listening to natives speak, and sounding out words so I master the pronunciation right from the beginning. Memrise was a solid learning app for this. 4) switch it up! Don’t let yourself get bored or disinterested. I used all of these to teach myself Russian in a few months time. It was one of the most fun experiences of my adult years. (It also kicked my @$$ mentally some days) Hope this wisdom helps someone. ❤️ ✌️

Thank you for priceless advice and tips. You are both Legends! Always glad to watch your videos. Thanks a lot!

I'm starting to learn my fourth language after many years, feeling much more confident after watching this, I pretty much practice all these guidelines by heart and was unsure if it was the right path, now I know :) Thank you Luca and Gabriel!

I love what you mention about input and output. I find that traditional methods of language learning push students to speak before they're actually ready to. My approach with french has been taking in lots and lots of input and then when I felt more ready starting talking more and more and as you said surprised myself with the level I had acquired

Thank you so much for this insight.

THANK YOU for mentioning ASSIMIL and for introducing me (us) to Gabriel! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Love the content Luca, to be honest even in Australia where I’ve been living for 6 years, you can learn languages. I have learnt spanish by going out with a group of spanish and now I speak Portuguese cause my gf is brazilian

Really inspiring content. I decided two months ago to revisit French and as a result found your videos, got inspired to improve my native farsi, then Arabic whilst living in the Middle East then Hindi to communicate with many of my patients! I guess I’m suddenly an aspiring polyglot because of your content 😃

Thank you very much for the greatly structured insights. The most powerful thing in learning languages is that, this process, if executed correctly, gives you a chance to get clear and quick interim results in form of palpable progress. And that is the reward loop that makes language learning so addictive. And the most important thing here is to develop an ability to notice those little progress marks. Once you lose that ability, the joy of learning a language starts to fade and the motivation with it. I realized, that setting realistic expectations is exactly the tool that helps you notice your progress in the first place. And focusing on a process rather than on a distant goal, advised by Luca so many times, can create that fruitful relationship with the language, that makes it so addictive. I could continue banging my head against the wall, if not Luca, that helped me to realize that simple thing. Thank you.

Thanks for sharing this awesome face to face discussion. It can be one of the best I have ever seen ;)

I found your channel through job an interview where the it recruiter told me about Luca's Lampariello channel and Loved all the tips. Thanks Man!! I've been studying English alone for two years and starting to learn Spanish now

It was super useful, thank you guys :)

Very informative. Excellent👍

Love both of you

Thank you! Me encanta como comparten su experiencia... Tomo sus consejos con mucha atención 🤗

Thanks, i felt guilty sometimes for not finishing a certain book being bored and now I hear it's OK I'm not the only one that learns in this way.

Też mam tak, że ciągle zmieniam metody. Bardzo mi się podoba, że jestem w stanie ciągle myśleć o tym, co mogę zmienić, a następnie znaleźć "lepszą" metodę. "Lepszą" na kolejne 2 miesiące :P

Great tips! Thanks a lot Luca and Gabriel👍🏻

Thanls guys. Was listening to it by youtube algorith while chilling on my sofa but I quiet agree with you and see your experiences shining through the words :)

Thank you guys from these valuable advices ❤️ . I think I need to use my Spanish, English and Italian more. Also, to create a system, not just wander around.

Thank you for covering the key points in logical order. As often happens when 2 people agree on what needs to be said, the conversation can feel a bit dragged out and repetitious to others. I think a 10 or 12-minute presentation of these ideas would be perfect. I hope you agree. Gracias de nuevo. Vielen Dank!

Luca, echamos de menos algún vídeo en el que hables varias lenguas. Me gustaría escuchar tu húngaro! Un saludo!!

Thanks you for the tips I found them all really useful!

Great Video, as usual 😜 You both are completely right. Listening is so important. I like stressing this. For me, listening English Podcasts has always been and still is so helpful in my path to learning English . My morning Coffee is always with English conversations in the background. So.. Enjoy the coffee and Greetings from the sunny Spain ✴️✴️✴️

I have spent two hours watching your videos, i am only practicing my listening, thank you so much

Great interview, thanks guys!! Having a goal can be dangerous, cause when you reach it you are like "what now?" and you might stop altogether. I love following the rule from "Atomic habits" to have tiny routines that amount to a remarkable result in the long run. What I do now is listen to at least 10 min. of Swedish a day. The good thing about small habits is that they are super easy to stick to. If you are having fun, you might do more, but you don't have to, so it does not feel stressfull :)

Gracias LUCAS eres uno de mi mejor teacher.

Thank you. It is a comfort to know that the same thing happens to you when you start a new language. I'm struggling every day with my Greek and it seems like I'll never get to speak it.

🙏 Thanks a lot

Watching this video, I am glad to find out that I am mostly on the right track... just having few pitfalls by trying to speak the language during the input stage.

Luca is the best teacher. And video is great.

Your first point gives me hope for myself to hopefully one day reach polyglot level. I am a native english speaker and have tried to learn spanish in the past for school but just couldn't get interested at all. Now I've been trying to teach myself Russian and have found apps and books that help in the extreme beginning but have struggled to find anything to help me get out of A1 level. It doesn't help that I'm cheap and refuse to pay for lessons in something that's not a necessity. So I've been finding Russian articles or songs online, printing them off, writing them down in my own Russian handwriting, trying to understand it, then translating it and writing the translation next to it. I'll come back to it in a day or two and re-read the original text to see how well I remember the translation as I read. I have no idea if this is the best way, but so far I've definitely started picking up more vocabulary at least.

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Great advice! Thanks! Discord languages servers are an awesome resource to practice speaking!

Follow polyglot-ish (ASL as a toddler, Spanish/French in middle school, relearning Spanish using Dreaming Spanish to try it out, French/German in highschool, German/Japanese in college - these two are my best, also dabbling in Polish now). It's been about 20 years since I've learned languages in my school years, but I'm feeling the itch again (kept up with my German/Japanese to some extent, though). Some of my thoughts on the topics - Systems vs goals - Totally agree! I've seen many "language learning tips" videos where I think they over-emphasize goals. If you undershoot your goal, that'll discourage you if you see yourself running up against a pre-determined limit. Likewise, overshooting your goal makes you overconfident. "It's the journey, not the destination". I never really got what those videos were going after with goals. What works for you - There's nothing worse than watching language learning videos or reading forums where everyone is like, "This is the *only* way to learn!", or, "If you don't follow these exact 25 steps, you're doing it wrong!". For example, some people hate flashcards (they think of it as NL word = TL word on the back, or using an app - I think this is only good for a milestone review, rather than learning by rote). Personally, I hate using apps (I tried), it feels too gamey, and you don't have intuitive control over the card deck. Writing the word down really helps me remember it (that's another key point I saw in the video.) rather than just passively sitting and watching words flash by. My ideal card deck is looking at the TL word first, plus some sort of picture and a sentence, then the 'answer' or usage on the back. Subtitles in the TL also works for me because I'm hearing impaired (that's why I picked up ASL as a toddler - infant development program when I was 2. Didn't have hearing aids until I was 5). I will either miss out on a syllable, or my brain will add one subconsciously (because it exists in the NL) where there shouldn't be one in the TL. Having word-sets also works for me (like rhymes, opposites - I like to make up some sort of silly song or poem in my head with those words - memorization technique). Another example is comprehensible input (trying out Dreaming Spanish) where they say, "Don't look up words, or grammar"). I find if I look up a grammar concept, I instantly comprehend future input in the TL. Same with new words - I'll try and "translate" the word into the TL. i.e., if I know the German word for cat (Katze), and I see Löwe (lion), I'll translate in my head, "eine große und gemeine Katze", with a mental picture. I'd also create a short dialog, even if it's starting with a simple, "Was ist ein Löwe?". (That gets me familiar with the definite article at the same time, something I had trouble with in school) Input to Output is something I'm still working on, since I come from the "good old days" of grammar up one side and down the other, so it just feels weird to not do any output from the start. It's a learning strategy for me that's still evolving. When I started with Polish, I've been listening to a lot of "first 1,000 words in Polish" videos (my requirements being a native speaker and not a robot, or a non-native speaker trying to pronounce words. Also, words must be repeated slowly and contain a sentence. Pictures are helpful) and simple dialogues (like PolishPod101 - careful reading the translations, though - I've spotted translation 'errors' on other ~Pod101 videos, where they try to translate it into natural English). Usually, it's those 2+ hour long videos, and I just let it run. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The last major language I tackled was Japanese (25 years ago in college). I had come up with the following things - 1 - Immersion as much as possible. Grammar books, dictionaries (especially grammar dictionaries with example sentences), kanji cards, video games, videos, manga, Japanese computer (this one I really lucked out on - was actually looking for a new printer and word processing software, when someone we selling just that, plus their PC and Japanese keyboard. PC had a dual boot English-Japanese OS - things are much easier these days...). I even practiced translating Japanese video game text into English to learn vocabulary. 2 - Learned the kanas first, 2 weeks before class started. I figured I'd get a grasp on the writing system first (now, I would also listen to words/sentences to get a feel for the sounds). 3 - Studied the kanji flashcards in sets of 5 or 10. In college, I stumbled onto spaced repetition without even realizing it, and nowhere close to any language classes. It was actually my Art History and Calculus classes where we did SRS with 5 things at a time. So, since that seemed helpful for learning, I used it in languages. After maybe a month, I was able to memorize all 45 (or was it 90?) "Grade 1 Kanji", and some in Grade 2. What I would do differently now, would be to add contextualized sentences to those kanji. 4 - I resolved that, after learning a sufficient amount of words (still don't know the "magic number"), that when I encounter a new word that I don't know by context, look it up in English, then describe it in the TL. At the intermediate level, start using a TL dictionary.

I like this video, i'd like someday learn many lenguages like you, cracks

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Ciao Luca! Thank you so much for the content! I myself implement some of these techniques with my students (I teach Italian), especially I can't stress enough the important of creating a routine that fits their interests and schedule. The thing I notice though is that if I have the student speaking the target language from day 1, for example role playing a simple introduction or a very basic dialogue using chunks and phrases, it gives them an incredible boost of motivation and it breaks those mental barriers like 'I will take ages to say something'. What do you think about it? Ciao grande!!

Hola, gracias Luca por todo. Me has ayudado mucho aprender inglés, español, italiano y ahora acabo de aprender portugués y estaba pensando a empezar con un profesor. Entiendo mucho porque me ayudan las otras lenguas.pero no sé si tengo que escuchar más antes de empezar. Estoy en la primera semana de portugués. Estoy aprendiendo la pronunciación ahora

I have French to B2 with very good comprehension, podcasts and KZfaq videos are usually easy to understand. My goal is to improve my spoken French. The accent is good, my self expression isn’t. I’m glad to hear that Luca talks to himself. I do the same, I discuss a subject, and when I find missing words, I look them up. Le rateau. La houe. La scie. Tailler. Élaguer. Le jardinage. Le buisson. Le framboisier. Le merle. Le moineau. La pie. And so on. I started German at Christmas 2022, Duolingo was awful, I did Busuu, but gave up as they wanted me to learn grammar tables. Then I tried Babbel, and finished the course. It’s a really good introduction. Now I am doing the Lingq short stories. I hadn’t heard about Assimil, I’ll check it out. German is hard, very hard. So much to learn. So daunting. Thank you for the videos and advice.

Nice video Luca! Could you talk more about your system that connects input and speaking? The one where you speak to yourself

But LUCA I like the program I"m using but now its' getting a bit dull, but how will i know I'm switching to new program at right place? It's like a relay race.... This is a step by step program, so now there iS NO WAY..to know this new resource picks up in the right place? Does it make sense. INSTEAD waht I do is add other things for freshness, like Netflix films, books etc. But keeping basic program the same, so I don't create gaps!!! So glad to see a new video Luca, I was really starting to miss uploads I think it has been a month or so....know u have a life but the vids keep us going. Thanks so much. In part b/c of you I'm now A2 in Italian and am super excited and enlivened by language study.

I talk to myself in my target language when I am driving to work. :) It may sound strange but it works!

12:13 very important, it will save you from a lot of trouble and frustration during the process...take time to understand before you start to speak..I child takes average 2 years to to speak the first understandable world...but from that they master it.

A video talking about the systems pls :(

LuCa, I'm looking forward to an interview with Steven Krashen.

Muchisimas gracias por sus consejos. Algunas veces caigo en la trampa de terminar un libro o un recurso completamente y ahora entiendo que eso no es necesario. Es como dijo Bruce Lee, ser como agua, ser como Jeet Kune Do!

Listening and reading at the same time is the best ESPECIALLY if the writing system doesn’t convey or record every phonetic phenomenon well. Spanish for example you can probably get away with just reading past an intermediate level though it’s not ideal but I refuse to read something in Arabic without the audio until I get very fluent since it’s a partial abjad. If English weren’t my native language I’d do the same thing

12:38 Listen to it a lot comprehensible input 16:10 Speaking to yourself

I accidentily bought one year subscription of Babbel so stuck with it for a while:) But it is quite okay

My experience has always been the opposite of "get tons of input first, then output". You don't get stuck in bad pronunciation patterns if you pay actual attention to how you sound. Normally, you relatively quickly improve and fix any issues the more you speak with people and practice speaking on your own. The more you speak, the easier it becomes to communicate with people, the less accent there is, the easier it becomes to talk to people, and so on: this creates a virtuous circle where you actively get your input through communication. When you have a near-native accent, you break the cognitive filter barrier for good and start absorbing things much faster as you feel like you belong in this culture, but need to catch up with the cultural references you may be missing, which gives impetus to internalize and absorb as much cultural content as possible. It doesn't work well the other way around for me. If you get tons of input first, you may arrive at a stage where you can read literary work with ease and yet will absolutely struggle in day-to-day conversations and will still kinda have to do the exact same thing: practice speaking. Only this time it becomes harder because you now want to express more complex things, you're no longer excited about simple dialogs you would have started with had you started from outputting, but these complex ideas come out with a bad intonation, prosody and accent and it becomes harder to break through that, not easier.

I like what you both said about not being able to see the changes every day. I heard sports scientist Pavel Tsatsouline say, "changes in nature are discreet."

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I find that pronouncing from day one and comparing your pronunciation with a native’s speakers helps you to focus on the differences and hear more.

Dear Luca, in some video you mentioned you speak Russian, serias tan amable de darme un consejo adicional sobre cómo se puede aprender ruso, o cualquier lengua con esas endemoniada declinaciones!!?... Thanks man, I really had improved my English with your videos! Ave Luca! 🙌

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10 on 10! Luca, tu es nickel! Language is not only a way of communicating but thinking! English can be cool for some (not all tough) business, some training in some Anglo-Saxons minded specialities or competitive sports, some tourism etc...: I lived 12 years plus in the USA (where my steel was tested and still adore Sesame Street, PBS and Berenstain Bears community thinking, brilliant American techniques for small entrepreneurship, self defense and sports/action as well as one liners, and that dream can come true...). Also, more than 20 now in the UK (where I learned, for example, some education values and that excentricity can be cool as well as a certain calm in privacy mind wise...) as my little family was all born in England. BUT, English quite limited after a while for some things: as, for example, for feelings and emotions it is not really a great conductor communication wise...Are you all right? Yeah, I'm fine or are you OK? Sure, I am fine is the average initial answer per se. Besides, diplomatically speaking, not politically, hard Trumpism and unsolved racism being still in America by numbers, American giant business avoiding some taxes in the EU, and Brexit (although I understand that) is already making people not to choose only English as THE reflex lingua franca it has been...it started in 2020 already. Anyway, languages do open culturo-commercial-artisanal-historical secrets doors of the countries that speak it! En français, c'est génial pour la diplomatie, le savoir-faire, le terroir, le patrimoine, la poésie, la bande dessinée francophone et plus encore. En el folklore español mexicano de formas holísticas como el día de los muertos, lecciones históricas como el Cinqo de Mayo, la cocina mexicana y la literatura popular, algunos conceptos aztecas y mayas (como sus matemáticas y habilidades naturales para algunos artesanos, la lucha libre y más. Español costarricense para pensamiento pacífico, estudios universitarios latinoamericanos, actitud pura vida, mente comercial tropical, colectivismo, hospitalidad, respeto a los mayoresy más ... בעברית כמה צלילים הוליסטיים, רוחניות ושירים מדהימים כמו גם סיפורי אומץ I am now back to Hebrew on top of knowning well English, American, le français, revising and goin' up in español mexicano y Español costarricense... I am hooked on Hebrew because I adore its letters but moreso, not only the opening doors for trades and education within Jewish diaspora communities in the world, coureagous stories thru some generations but its powerful vibrational balancing sounds for the mind like: I discovered it with Victoria Hanna! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ncmeq7WaldnDdIE.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nK2cnLJ3q7vPn4U.html Even the incredible Hebrew teacher (via Russia) Alisa Zingerman: kzfaq.info Plus, Hebrew is a revived language! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rNh0odmfusDbd40.html Pascal

My native language is English. I’m in my 40s. I took French in middle school and high school but I have forgotten most of it. I definitely want to at least relearn French and learn Italian, German, Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, Ukrainian, Thai, and Polish. Do you recommend relearning French first and then moving into Italian and Spanish since they have the most similarities to French and then picking a certain order for the others? Or is it just as recommended do start with say the one I’m most interested learning at the moment which is German? Lastly, do you strongly advise to learn one at a time? Thank you.

Everybody is subject to impatience. Even though you understand that it's going to take a long time we all suffer impatience. Understanding that means that you are halfway to keeping it in check. A large dictionary may have 25,000 translations , you DO NOT have to know them all. Enjoy the process, don't chase it, it will fall in place when the time is right.

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Since you make use of Assimil, I'm curious about your opinion on this: how do you go about learning a dialect of a language not covered by Assimil / Linguaphone? A dialect that has quite a lot of literary, auditory and TV content.

French learni g japanese I décidés to create flashcard with soind from an easy to understand anime called shirokuma café+ listening podcasts when on m'y bike. Seems to work for now. At least it's enjoyable

Vor etwa 9 monaten fragte ich über überwindung von dieser A1-A2 phase. Deutsch ist meine dritte fremdsprache (Englisch und spanisch schon sind bei mir), aber ja ich fühlte dass es war zu schwierig durchzuhalten. Es war zu schwierig den inhalt entsprechend anzupassen. Ich war A2 oder sogar A1 und ich konnte kaum deutsch. Natürlich gibt es kontent für anfänger, aber er ist zum kotzen :). Ganz langweilig. Aber ich will dich bedanken für was du sagtest an derjenigem tag. Ich bin B1 jetzt, es kann sein dass ich bin B2, aber nur beim lesen und beim hören. Immer noch es ist schwierig zu schreiben, aber warum muss es mir leicht fallen? Ich habe 1000+ stünden beim hören, aber weniger als 10 beim schreiben. Me quito el sombrero por respeto que tengo y por el contenido, ich всегда wait für новый inhalt на your canal, haha

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I thought it was gonna be in German. Haha Great content though! Thank you guys!

Hola Luca, muchas gracias a los dos por sus consejos. Quería preguntarte: ¿Sabes de algún método para aprender japonés que sea similar al curso de "Familia Romana" o a los cursos de Arthur M. Jensen?, en caso de que no exista algo así, ¿Qué recursos o materiales recomiendas?, saludos.

Very hop full

Gabriel Gelmann has improved his pronunciation a lot... What did you do? Wenn ich fragen darf:)

How about an example of a system

well , lets break it into parts . language is compound of words that are linked by means of grammers. if we started with the 1000 most common words to learn reach the basic level in that language within a year. the question will be what are the words to learn in this first month and what to put to the 11th and 12th month? this we one can hack language learning..

I’m curious Luca. What has been the hardest language got you to learn so far? In terms of overall difficulty.

01:27 A podcast does not have a "narrator". It has a host. Or a bunch of them.

Fair enough , but newbies don't know if the myriad of materials or systems they are using or should use will get them to their final goal.People who have already gone through the process know. That's the difference , frustration and confusion for new language learners.

Where do you find good input resources where you actually engage with the language and understand rather then just passively listen?

Hi luca sorry if this isnt about the video but i really want to know: where do you buy your russian books?

Ciao Luca! Qual è il nome della risorsa che dici di utilizzare nelle fasi iniziali, per costruire le basi della lingua, e che in genere abbandoni dopo 3-4 mesi? Non riesco a capire ahahaha

Why I know more input than output, I can understand a lot but I speak less?

nietzsche next to the new testament though

Anyone notice a lot of polyglots are my Jewish brothers

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Ciao Luca hai creato corsi o video per imparare l'inglese americano dall'italiano? Sono ad un livello tra il principiante e l'intermedio. Il mio obiettivo sarebbe quello di parlare e comprendere l'inglese ad un livello minimo per poter comunicare con altre persone. La deadline è posta al 2023. Se hai tuoi contenuti da poter fruire a riguardo, anche a pagamento purché siano molto efficaci anche se non ne dubito affatto dati i tuoi risultati per favore non esitare a dirmeli! Grazie infinite!

If I understand all video with subtitles. I hope to one day remove the subtitles. Thanks

Learning pronunciation must be number 1 ! Otherwise you may as well be speaking dutch to a japanese person who doesn't know dutch or vice versa.

Hola Lucía mi nombre es Nelly , mira llevo viviendo en los USA 28 AÑOS Y NO PUEDO ENTENDER EL INGLES MI OIDO NO SE HABRE , ESTUDIE EN ESCUELAS .que me aconsejas porfavor Te voy a estar muy agradecida No me quiero dar ☹ por vencida

I'm only bilingual. I started learning French, but I haven't found a system that works for me.

Recalling words by putting them into the personal context previously used ……

Know how to move from input to output. I think you may have found a weakness in my system....

after watching this, i feel like for you to be a polyglot you have to be an interesting person too or ortherwise i don't think anyone would want to talk to you. lol

All anyone needs to learn a new language, including russian, chinese, arabic or hungarian, is to get a native romantic partner..after abt a month you'll be c1

I kindly disagree with this whole concept. I think I'm going to do a video on this because no one really actually talks about it so if you hear about it I said it first. There are nine different styles of learning. This is why it's hard to pinpoint how to learn a language because you have to determine your learning style first! If you're an audible learner then listening to the language it's going to work excellently for you.... But with audible Learners you have to make the sound as well from the very beginning. If your visual learner then reading books will be fantastic or interacting right off the bat, tactical Learners will have to get tons of notebooks and write everything down. People also don't consider the fact that you can be multiple types of learning. I am audible and tactical. I do not do them both at the same time. But if I write something down I will remember it in my head the way it looks in my own handwriting and be able to recall it. But if I just pick up a book to read it and learn a language I will fall asleep! I have to hear it and if you're good at imitating sounds and nuances this is perfect. Also with audible learnings is the exact opposite for other learners, speaking the language from the beginning is the thrill and pleasure there is no stress in it at all. Whereas people that have to read to learn this will be extremely stressful for them because they're more grammar oriented.... If I had to wait 3 to 6 months to speak I would pull out my hair but for some people this is the exact way they process the language, both are correct.