The Last of Us: Scientists Have Already Proven Joel Was (Probably) Right

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The Last of Us: Scientists Have Already Proven Joel Was (Probably) Right

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When The Last of Us concluded its first season as a series on HBO Max, viewers are forced through the same decisions Joel has to make at the end of The Last of Us game: save Ellie and doom the world to the cordyceps infection, or allow the Fireflies to conduct a fatal operation to find a potential cure? The Last of Us series fans face the question: Was Joel Right? And in this video, IGN’s Kim Horcher contends…yeah, he kinda was.
In The Last of Us Show, Joel (portrayed by Pedro Pascal) and Ellie (played by Bella Ramsey) are forced into an impossible situation and they both save each other’s lives multiple times. Is Joel supposed to throw that away because of the Fireflies claims? Join Kim Horcher for The Last of Us explained and why The Last of Us Joel was right to do what he did to save The Last of Us Ellie.
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@josephlhommedieu6085 Жыл бұрын

Love how passionate this woman is. It sounds like she’s had this building up inside for years.

@LEQN Жыл бұрын

Let's be fair! most of us had these feelings build up for years! the game ended the same way and us gamers mostly agreed on this opinion!

@M0RGAT0RY Жыл бұрын

Probably was...

@devaldyjonathan Жыл бұрын

she was probably just reading a script she didn't make lol

@ryanevans2655 Жыл бұрын

She has 😂 the game is a decade old

@kilarymz4life772 Жыл бұрын

Sooo truee!!!

@DCstroller Жыл бұрын

One thing no one is thinking about here is logistics. Creating a vaccine is one thing but in a world like this how the heck are you supposed to get the materials and support to not only create it but distribute it?

@SurferMan127 Жыл бұрын

This is 100% a concern. The idea that the cure was some “sure thing” that was going to “save humanity” is one of a series of really terribly thought-out retcons that Druckman butchered the universe to shove into the second game.

@Andi-xm6od Жыл бұрын

@@SurferMan127 so you are an expert on how the story was originally intended? Touch gras

@yoboyrob201 Жыл бұрын

I’ve been saying this exact thing for ages. Thank you!

@ADukesJustice Жыл бұрын

Especially since the Fireflies could've been like "nah this our cure, go find your own"

@buggiemara4902 Жыл бұрын

My take was that the Fireflies didn't plan on distributing the cure. They just wanted to have monopoly over it, like a bargaining chip.

@pankreas2195 Жыл бұрын

Let's talk about how Marlene gave her best friend's daughter up to be sacrificed without consent by one guy who said he'd be able to cure humanity

@jimhoman6752 Жыл бұрын

And breaking her word to Ellies mother.

@amandafurrow2338 Жыл бұрын

Did not the game imply Eli knew she probably be sacrificing her life for thete to be a cure?

@winwinmilieudefensie7757 Жыл бұрын

and marlene knows how and why this fluke happened ..so she already has the cure pregnant infected mothers ..

@mischievousjr.9299 Жыл бұрын

@@winwinmilieudefensie7757 lmfao fr, sounds sick, in a twisted way, just infect pregnant mothers.

@pankreas2195 Жыл бұрын

@@amandafurrow2338 doesn't change the fact that she wasn't asked.

@saintcasey9939 Жыл бұрын

My main issue was just that she wasn't asked. They can wait. They don't have to cut her up right then and there.

@ty-zz9ic Жыл бұрын

Wtf lol since when people that kill people ask the persons permission

@analmf1210 Жыл бұрын

Would you wait for a 14 year that can not even drink, to make this kind of decision?

@MrFossil367ab45gfyth 8 ай бұрын

@ty-zz9ic , there have been people who are willing to volunteer for experiments, knowing they may get injured or die. For example, look at the space race.

@chistinelane 7 ай бұрын

How do you think animals we test on feel?

@thegodofsaiyans535 15 сағат бұрын

@@chistinelaneSure. But your question assumes humans and animals are equal(morally speaking), which is a dumb thing to say.

@dcmoutinho Жыл бұрын

Right or not, what Father or Mom would not "destroy the world" to save their kid? This was the most human choice he could made... LoU isn't a show about heroes and fantasy, it's a show that we can identify and have empathy with their choices like was ours.

@simonfarre4907 Жыл бұрын

This. This is literally it. The entire point of both games.

@Gantaipao Жыл бұрын

@@simonfarre4907 Both game? 2nd game which has alot of plot hole to fit the narrative than saying violence is bad after all the world state in it?

@simonfarre4907 Жыл бұрын

@@Gantaipao There are no plot holes in the 2nd game, not a single one. There's no character inconsistencies. And the narrative is _definitely_ not "violence is bad".

@j0ellyfish Жыл бұрын

Not even that. Why would you want to save the human race?

@doseme7 Жыл бұрын

*tlou

@johnbrooke6867 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this! It always just struck me as common sense that murdering your test subject means eliminating your only "source" for a cure. Why is there even an argument in people's minds about this?

@StinkFingerr Жыл бұрын

Because of the way it was presented to them.

@kenz2756 Жыл бұрын

It's sci-fi mumbo jumbo... They literally said in the episode they will extract the tissue, reproduce it, and make it a cure. Somehow, the cure is what's in the brain and the surgery of the brain would effectively kill the subject. Why are you all so caught up in this like it's somehow believable in the first place?

@evilsimeon Жыл бұрын

In the show it was necessary to make a vaccine.

@K0K0BB Жыл бұрын

@@evilsimeon not really. in the second half of the show the most dangerous life form to humans were humans. get a vaccine for that first! plus, it MIGHT have worked. im not letting someone kill me for a "it MIGHT work", let alone without even asking me.

@davidrich27 Жыл бұрын

It's called creative license. They took liberties with the nitty gritty of the science to ratchet up the stakes. This isn't a medical biopic. The purpose is to make you engage with the moral dilemma.

@jonnymooshoo Жыл бұрын

Has everyone forgotten that the show ALSO added TWO new cold open scenes in episodes 1 & 2 where BOTH experts say that "there is no cure" and "there is no medicine" for the cordycepts infection.

@MyrtDFY Жыл бұрын

And considering the world ends immediately after, we have to assume no scientific breakthrough happened between that to 20 years later

@jeremy5939 Жыл бұрын

There's plenty of diseases that used to have no cure, then someone came up with one. That's what these people are trying to do, because that's what's required to save the world. Emotion aside, the real question is, do we have enough faith in their chances of success to let them extinguish the one living immune specimen? My answer is HELL NO.

@davidrich27 Жыл бұрын

They make it pretty clear that the mainstream scientific community didn’t believe a cordycept infection was a credible threat, so no one was funding research into developing a cure. So that is more likely for why “there is no cure”. Not that a cure was impossible. And the fireflies make it pretty clear this is not a traditional vaccine or anti-fungal cure. It doesn’t kill the cordycept with chemicals or produce antibodies to attack them, the way traditional vaccines work. It’s a special hormone or pheromone that Ellie’s body produces that confuses the cordycepts into thinking that she is another cordycept rather than a human host, so it doesn’t attack her and hijack her brain.

@Low_commotion Жыл бұрын

Yeah but every disease "has no cure" until one is developed. HIV technically has no cure, yet it's manageable today. Tuberculosis & leprosy had no cure until antibiotics & vaccines.

@jacobodom8401 Жыл бұрын

they never had a baby born and develop with the coedycepts to develop an immunity.

@madlad4597 Жыл бұрын

Its also worth pointing put that it was revealed on the 2nd game that the guy who was supposed to perform the surgery on Eillie wasn't a real doctor. He was just some guy with a bachelor's in biology. To say he did not qualify to carry out the procedure and succeed in making a cure would be an understatement. Even if he was a surgeon, a oncologist is an entirely different field of study At the end of the day, the Firelies were acting out of desperation , not rationality

@skyhunter2816 Жыл бұрын

Not true.

@Bf3Pumba9887i Жыл бұрын

@@skyhunter2816 ssssshhhh people who have played the game are talking

@johnnyflannigan136 Жыл бұрын

Umm..im on my 3rd playthrough riggt now and don't remember that at all

@Dagens24 Жыл бұрын

post-hoc rationalization

@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын

Wait a minute didn't they say in the game that he was the only qualified scientist to harvest and create the vaccine. He was a very rare skilled doctor.

@waveplay3978 Жыл бұрын

You're right about all these points but none of this crosses Joel's mind when he decides to kill all the fireflies

@meowjejekjs Жыл бұрын

yeah he literally has no clue whether the cure would work or not

@dores3130 Жыл бұрын

Just a father's instinct 😂

@mst3KGf Жыл бұрын

Well no, he's just focused on getting his baby girl out. When your'e John Wicking everything, not much time for reflection.

@ShadowWolfRising Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter, the point is it wasn't possible to begin with.

@DACatface Жыл бұрын

exactly, he's just in dad's 'save my baby' mode

@billysaint4981 Жыл бұрын

He shot the doctor because he was a threat to Eli and he saw her as his daughter at that point and all he wanted to do was get her out of that situation as soon as possible he wanted her in his arms so he can feel like he saved her he was shooting anything and anyone that stood his way no questions asked

@JLchevz Жыл бұрын

and he said he "wouldn't allow it"

@PillagingGinger Жыл бұрын

Eli😂

@par32 Жыл бұрын

Use periods.

@billysaint4981 Жыл бұрын

@@par32 ………. Now what?

@skywalker9379 Жыл бұрын

He couldn't have shot him in the foot.

@juliaelenaaaa Жыл бұрын

The way he asked “is there enough power” like you don’t even know if you have enough power to complete the surgery but you actually think you’re gonna be able to make a cure???? Girl please

@oOPPHOo Жыл бұрын

C'mon, that's just a double check. like asking asking if the scalpel is ready.

@kenz2756 Жыл бұрын

Man this sounds like a stretched cope for a fictional character that doesn't even matter. This comment section is so weird like that

@bunaioara Жыл бұрын

@@kenz2756 no spoiler but oh he matters

@kenz2756 Жыл бұрын

@@bunaioara Only way he matters is consequence killed him, and rightly so. It's just so weird people are constantly rationalizing in this comment section for what is essentially the writer's fault rather than the characters.

@SilverKingGary Жыл бұрын

The reason Abby's dad was so quick to cut her brain out is because he wasn't a real doctor. In some documents in the 1st game you find out he started med school in 2007, That's 4 years of school + 2 years of residency meaning he wasn't a "doctor" until 2013 the same year the outbreak stared but he was somehow an accomplished brain surgeon (something that takes 14 - 16 years) and he was able to find a fungal cure something that isn't possible in modern day 2023. In reality he was a vet posing as a real doctor (which is why he was checking up on the horses in Part 2) and he was gonna sacrifice an innocent girl to cover his story then claim there was no cure knowing nobody would question the "Surgeon" and nobody would figure out the lie keeping him safe.

@ItsCreaidan Жыл бұрын

So...I despise Abby more now lmao.

@kashourikatsu2543 Жыл бұрын

Damn, that's deep

@saggyflapjax Жыл бұрын

@@ItsCreaidan why?

@saggyflapjax Жыл бұрын

They were zebras bro. Not horses, we know you aint a vet for sure now

@FatLittleButterfly Жыл бұрын

@@saggyflapjax Zebras are just horses that wanted to be pandas

@ReedsOfBabylon Жыл бұрын

FINALLY the ending of the game always felt a bit contrived. It always felt odd that they just assumed that they had a cure by murdering a teenage girl and there was no debate around that.

@fabricejoseph3393 Жыл бұрын

There was a debate about it. Marlene and Jerry argue this very topic a lot before they do anything. It was also never a sure thing, they knew it wasnt a guarantee but at least it was a shot at saving humanity.

@michellebrumwell Жыл бұрын

💯

@tmm4195 11 ай бұрын

@@fabricejoseph3393 oh please they just threw that in the second game to make marlene seem like a better person

@dribrom Жыл бұрын

You have to understand that when a civilian collapse so does the education. Abbey's father could not have been more then 25 when the outbreak happened, lacking the experience needed. As the doctors in the middle ages after the fall of Rome had lost allot of knowledge and just experiment with allot of random ideas so do the Fire Flies do here.

@HypocritesExposd Жыл бұрын

In an apocalypse with some medical background, it’s easy to lie or boost your résumé. Abbey’s father is the real villain here as his little lie led to countless deaths.

@sinfinite7516 Жыл бұрын

Lmao plenty of people from before the fall were alive

@pennybleta9721 Жыл бұрын

@@HypocritesExposd Exactly this

@4203105 4 ай бұрын

Dude, roman doctors didn't know sh*t. They believed on humors and stuff.

@greghaggerty9996 Жыл бұрын

This kinda feels like it's sidestepping the point of the ending. In a work of fiction, the real world science doesn't really matter. The moral question that the game/show is asking - "Would you doom humanity to save someone you love?" - only works if we assume the cure is legit.

@Evelyn-qt3hi Жыл бұрын

This^ Whether or not a miracle cure is possible is up to the writers. The point is not scientific possibility, it's about the moral implications. Even with a cure being unlikely, the question still works of saving one person versus a chance to save all of humanity. Even if the chance is small, it could be the ONLY chance.

@station7thedoor Жыл бұрын

If that is the question the story was trying to ask, then we can only conclude bad plotting on the part of the writers. The text does not present the cure as a sure bet, only as a theoretical maybe. If they wanted it to be a sure bet, then they needed to write those scenes differently.

@chrisdin4109 Жыл бұрын

Fiction establishes internal logic. Has to follow that logic

@no_peace Жыл бұрын

They aren't asking that. In the show there's only a CHANCE to save the world. We all know it probably won't work

@michellebrumwell Жыл бұрын

@@station7thedoor 💯

@aleksoctop Жыл бұрын

Any self-respecting sturgeon wouldn’t operate that quickly- he was a hack.

@JOEYZ-nq2gn Жыл бұрын

Yeah that "sturgeon" is definitely a fish

@omkarnadavadekar4462 Жыл бұрын

@@JOEYZ-nq2gn 🤣🤣🤣

@abhishekbhowmik3456 Жыл бұрын

@@JOEYZ-nq2gn lmao 😂😂

@aleksoctop Жыл бұрын

@@JOEYZ-nq2gn imagine wanting to perform a sturgery on someone's brain hoping to farm mushrooms to administer to others...implausible.

@JOEYZ-nq2gn Жыл бұрын

@@aleksoctop treating the brain like it's caviar waiting to be harvested is my guess 🤷

@DanyboyS7 Жыл бұрын

Joel´s choice was human. He cannot be judged. Any father would destroy the world for his daughter.

@Peace_Guard Жыл бұрын

But she's not his daughter. His daughter died, because of the pandemic (indirectly), the very thing he just decreased the chance of stopping.

@DangerDavez Жыл бұрын

@@Peace_Guard He considers her his daughter . He even compares her to Sarah in the very next scene. She's his reason for living so you really can't blame him for doing what he did. You'd do the same for a loved one.

@christhefiend 9 ай бұрын

No fool. Everyone else’s kid matters too, not just mine.

@enigma7521 Жыл бұрын

Damn! This is a IGN video. Finally they let someone who really played and enjoyed game. Her point are what us TLOU fans been debating about since 2013

@gamingwithCONZOUL Жыл бұрын

Having only watched the show . You really have to think what can the fireflies actually accomplish it’s not like they’re a match against fedra if anything fedra would’ve had a better chance at making it work

@DanFarrell98 Жыл бұрын

The science was not a factor in Joel’s decision whatsoever. His decision was based solely on love and his own wants

@vikingdrengenspiders7875 Жыл бұрын

True thats what makes it so great

@pinkmenace2452 Жыл бұрын

sure but thats not relevant to the overall outcome

@ANGELOFDARKification Жыл бұрын

It's like we're back in 2013 again with these videos and topics 😂

@population-_-420 Жыл бұрын

Abby gonna ruin everything Back to 2020 again

@rhi4288 Жыл бұрын

The never ending arguments will age me bro and it’s been a decade 👵

@AceCmbatguy25 Жыл бұрын

Dude yeah it's crazy lmaoooo but we're like the veterans looking onto a new generation fighting a familiar battle 😂

@jonlava173 Жыл бұрын

OMG, TIME LOOP! The last decade… We never left..

@silverhawkscape2677 Жыл бұрын

A simpler time. Before the Pandemic and another Financial Crisis. Again.

@gilvanalves6023 Жыл бұрын

You don't have the option to NOT kill the surgeon in the game. That is one of my major problems with the game. In any case, you can ask any doctor in the world and they probably would not support the idea of killing a patient without further studies, so this "doctor" was a psychopath.

@Lu22H Жыл бұрын

They’re in the apocalypse and this girl is highly likely to be the cure to the entire human race don’t act like sacrificing her for that cause makes someone “psychopathic” 💀

@roborbob2913 Жыл бұрын

They should have had Ellie's permission, and explain to her she won't survive and they may not even be successful.

@ashistired6456 Жыл бұрын

@@Lu22Hsedating someone and performing a fatal surgery without their consent (whether she would have said yes or not) is psychotic. just my 2 cents.

@Lu22H Жыл бұрын

@@ashistired6456 you missed out the part where it was to save literally all of humanity 🙃

@ashistired6456 Жыл бұрын

@@Lu22H you missed the part where human beings have rights

@denniswade4998 Жыл бұрын

The greatest evils always begin by making decisions for other people without their consent.

@silverhawkscape2677 Жыл бұрын

And there are morons who agree to blinding a Person because they gave "consent" to be blinded.

@David-ny8zt Жыл бұрын

"Now let's head to the comments to see what the experts think"

@bibbo3167 Жыл бұрын

Even if he could make a cure, it’s not like the firefly’s would just hand it out willy nilly, even FEDRA would care more for peoples survival, and that’s saying A LOT.

@arouneshbora Жыл бұрын

Relax it’s just a fiction. Stop worrying bout it. The directors will worry about it 😂

@nalvareza Жыл бұрын

@@arouneshboradude take your opinion somewhere else

@garryarganis5801 Жыл бұрын

@@nalvareza why so serious? 🤔

@jaydee6347 Жыл бұрын

Wtf are you talking about ? This is not real we didnt bomb Italie during covid. Littéraly ign redefining rock bottom

@JayV98 Жыл бұрын

Doubtful

@marusero25 Жыл бұрын

If she is already infected and the fungus doesn't try to convert her, why does the fungus try to attack her with other infected? Never understood this

@AlecNWMSU Жыл бұрын

She's immune cant be infected

@curlykid999 Жыл бұрын

The infected are not only trying to spread the fungus when they attack people, they are also trying to feed in order to stay alive and to increase their chance of passing on the infection. Makes sense that the infected would try and eat her since she is presenting as a normal healthy person that they could eat.

@MrFatperson Жыл бұрын

@@curlykid999 Why don't they try to eat other infected then?

@mybuddyscience Жыл бұрын

@@MrFatperson That'd just be a no Brainer, why would any organism trying to spread itself just kill itself

@americalopez265 Жыл бұрын

@2k well shouldn't they consider her "same species" since shes already infected

@dr_ill Жыл бұрын

To steal a comment from reddit: "It really is baffling the lengths that some people will go to destroy any sort of grey morality that the ending poses. They need the fireflies to be bad and incompetent and for the cure to be unrealistic, because it makes it easier to swallow Joel's actions. The irony in this is that it also makes the ending much worse because it would just be about a father saving his daughter from bad people by killing them."

@ryanli8371 Жыл бұрын

When people's bias is so strong that they would go as far as to discredit the other side as much as possible in order to defend what they see/believe. And its not uncommon in real life. Might even be able to think of a few examples...

@TallSilhouette Жыл бұрын

People always try to overrationalize deliberately ambiguous endings.

@khyrianstorms Жыл бұрын

It goes both ways. Murder is bad. Killing a girl without her getting a say is bad. Killing a whole hospital is worse, but it’s still bad. Motivation doesn’t get to play that big of a factor when it comes to killing. People that disagree are usually labeled as sociopaths

@DikaWolf Жыл бұрын

Cause that's how some people see the ending. It's either a dad saving his daughter from bad people, or a man dooming humanity for selfish reasons. Everyone has their arguments for either side.

@EdMottoOficial Жыл бұрын

it is already about a father saving his daughter, but it has nuance

@xfool Жыл бұрын

yeah , the surgery is way too soon even if they are 100% confident that it would work

@cortezbook Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 funniest thing here is that we treat this like a real life situation. They did something big with this game

@Johnny.1994 Жыл бұрын

Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling, Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

@Alsborg Жыл бұрын

People forget that Jackson exists, and possibly there are more cities like it. Tommy is a former firefly, he could reach a resource barter deal: food in exchange for immunity. In a addition, on Jackson there are surely people who are experts in medicine and pharmacology to apply the dose of immunity.

@Kefka. Жыл бұрын

Jackson is an example of why not to trust the Fireflies. Tommy left them for a reason, the commune has no Fireflies or FEDRA they are both bad and not to be trusted.

@eSKAone- Жыл бұрын

The ends don't justify the means, because you never know if the ends are truely reachable. The means however will imprint into your culture. 💟

@TigaToonsELTiagor Жыл бұрын

Finally, someone with a sense of reality.

@arkartm9989 Жыл бұрын

Of all choices available, fireflies chose death. .

@sinistergrin7053 Жыл бұрын

Also humanity isn't worth saving when the life of one has no meaning

@abpolsci27 Жыл бұрын

2:15 it's not a virus.. it's a fungi. You Probably skip the episode 2.

@kensredemption Жыл бұрын

Can we please, PLEASE, start making the distinction that VACCINES are used to prevent VIRAL infections? FUNGAL infections are treated with different families of drugs (azoles, polyenes and allylamine/thiocarbamates).

@rorynolan2322 Жыл бұрын

Everything you say in this video applies to the original game

@logicaljuan Жыл бұрын

Any one not sure if what the firefly’s were doing was wrong need to read “the ones who walked away from omelas”.

@coxmanbgg Жыл бұрын

This game might be the only one in history where you rage quit from the story and not from gameplay

@Fillthrill Жыл бұрын

what?

@LegendOfFarore Жыл бұрын

Didn't they do this surgery a bunch of times before this and it always failed in the game and they were going to do it anyway?

@anolive7535 Жыл бұрын

Humanity took Joel's daughter, so he took humanity's daughter to save himself.

@JuanCampos-tc3sh Жыл бұрын

Colin Moriarty beat y’all to this conclusion when the game came out, and even told The creators of the game Neil and Bruce of his interpretation of the ending. They said no if they had preformed the surgery they would have found the cure. They’d have authority over the canon of the series at the end of the day. It’s interesting an actual scientist prospect full deep dive into the probability of success would be an awesome video.

@sharpkatana1178 Жыл бұрын

Stand down 😊

@DaleonM4 Жыл бұрын

People had a similar argument with harry potter books. The audience is the one that interprets what is consuming. Even tho the creator might have wanted something else. U can't stop people from making the same conclusions.

@sinistergrin7053 Жыл бұрын

Colin is a lil baby

@sharpkatana1178 Жыл бұрын

@@sinistergrin7053 yet you're the one on here writing about it. Grow up you lizard

@robbieclark1784 Жыл бұрын

If it's in the game they have authority over it.

@suryastephen5174 Жыл бұрын

Whether the cure can be solved by Ellie's surgery or not, the fireflies are definitely wrong. there's no way people can get a solution just by killing other people. just like Vision on Avengers says: "We don't trade lives!"

@Syxflicks Жыл бұрын

"Proceeded to trade lots of lives on the battlefield of Wakanda."

@ChrisMorganComedy Жыл бұрын

Elli is not old enough to consent to a martyr. Even if she wanted to do it. There's a reason why we make that distinction.

@Nathan-TSU 11 ай бұрын

Every time someone relate "virus" to "fungus" infection a biologist die...

@DarkKnight2037 Жыл бұрын

This is a bit more of an opinon piece, but yeah, the show doesnt justify teh fireflies' decision the same way the game had. In the game it was more definitive that a cure could be made, in tehshow, theyre not sure but thought they could. Also, whether or not the fungi grow in the brain or in all other cells is a mute point because how it is in the show isn't necessarily how it is in the show or game.I agree about the consent though

@Vman_95 Жыл бұрын

We don't need Scientist's opinions for Joel's actions, any person would do the same for their loved ones.

@arturstypukowski1279 Жыл бұрын

You'd murder dozens of people begging for mercy to deliver your daughter from death that could could save the planet?!

@randomguyQuan Жыл бұрын

@Drewthemagnificent Жыл бұрын

@@randomguyQuan yes

@TheClanFollows Жыл бұрын

The removal of spores and the removal of Ellie’s consent are two major decisions that are really gonna give the second season some continuity issues

@sweepingdenver Жыл бұрын

She doesn't give consent in the game either.

@DoomedKnight Жыл бұрын

Wow this really make a lot of sense, why would they rush it if it was their only hope.

@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын

They are desperate.

@pennybleta9721 Жыл бұрын

@@jonfreeman9682 Which makes them wrong and untrustworthy.

@joaofloreshcc Жыл бұрын

Both sides have points, both side acted selfish, but none asked the person who have to choice

@xMAJINKHANx Жыл бұрын

Game Theory also said something similar to this.

@h.i.mcdunnough9421 Жыл бұрын

And was also wrong.

@carlosconejo3880 Жыл бұрын

"for eh, many reasons" 😂

@DrBrainsqueeze1 Жыл бұрын

@2:15 "The HBO series' shift from spores to tendrils completely changes the nature of the virus". What virus?!? For heaven's sake, at least get it right.

@tesla9665 Жыл бұрын

Marlene think she is cool and making the right decisions🤣

@CBZero Жыл бұрын

"Not the bugs, the people."

@Volkrad Жыл бұрын

These people are making Joel's decision look easy, but the whole damn point of the ending is that it wasn't easy, only easier in Joel's mind, and by saying that, they're making the ending look shallow and devoid of weight, and the weight of that decision is what makes the ending so impactful in the first place.

@h.i.mcdunnough9421 Жыл бұрын

Dammit, thank you! Someone who understands the damn story! Everybody misunderstood this back in the day and now apparently.

@Val--- Жыл бұрын

@@h.i.mcdunnough9421 agreed

@Mojojojo824 Жыл бұрын

If this situation were real, yeah, it most likely wouldn’t work going into brain surgery right away😂

@justinmaddox4782 Жыл бұрын

Last of us show will go down as the best video game adaptation in history hands down . Was such a beautiful show . People need start taking notes on how to make a adaptation. Because this exactly how you do it

@Deagnetic Жыл бұрын

The point is he would have done the same if they conducted a thousand tests and possibly consent

@tramskivroto Жыл бұрын

Exactly, you can extract cerebrospinal fluid thus acquiring the "chemical messenger" without killing someone.

@ibmtpx24 Жыл бұрын

@2:17 "virus"? It is fungi. The script of this video is like a compliance EV. both are without heart in it.

@Sexynes Жыл бұрын

Successfully extract from a single subject, test it on a sample subject, expose to fungus, sample subject must be successful at preventing fungus control. Sequence of events being successful would be improbable, and the risks are too high.

@EpiCz_Izzy Жыл бұрын

Yeah so basically what I’ve been saying since the first game came out. Eff Marlene and the Fireflies. Also, Marlene even if was at first against the procedure as shown in the 2nd game, she still ultimately failed to do what she promised Anna. To protect her.

@870clan Жыл бұрын

the Doctor at the very beginning of the show said it literally is not possible to make a vaccine for the cordyceps

@oli_e Жыл бұрын

Did he know someone would be immune? This doctor comment is pretty lame

@sinfinite7516 Жыл бұрын

The Last of Us people knew before that this was a plot hole, and they didn’t take the time to change it in the show 😤

@mrankonGR Жыл бұрын

dude.. Zombie apocalypse. Who needs consent?

@AlSween Жыл бұрын

I'm not letting a loved one get killed over a "it might work".

@OperationSpider Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Also please stop calling it a virus.

@prod324ify Жыл бұрын

Yes!!! Thank you!!! I’ve literally been saying a lot of these things forever!!!

@insertnamehere7925 Жыл бұрын

If cordyceps don’t actually go for the brain, could Sam and other runners still be conscious inside before they’re kill or turn into stalkers

@UsManALi-pg3ck Жыл бұрын

yes the fungus controls motor functions of human body and slowly takes over the brain meaning they can see whats going on but can't do anything

@janeks.3110 Жыл бұрын

Why the funghal heck everyone keeps saying "virus"? Eveb Troy Baker did so in a recent interview... -.-

@DOESlab Жыл бұрын

THey just wanted to force a big dillema as the ending

@Good_Boy_3000 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. No self respecting doctor would jump to a decision so fast. People will argue that they ran all the tests, and the way they were going was the only way forward... A: They only had run tests on her for under a month. B: Jerry isn't a doctor, just a dude with a bachelor's degree in biology. C: Though Cordyceps grows predominantly in the brain, it spreads through the spinal fluid. D: They're might've been other immune patients that they worked on previously, but failed.

@Nimster87 Жыл бұрын

It’s not about that… it’s the fact that they were going to take away this girl that he had come to love as a daughter. He didn’t want to lose another.

@greghaggerty9996 Жыл бұрын

Exactly, getting into the weeds about real world science in a work of fiction kinda misses the point.

@TheJeblis Жыл бұрын

Not a virus and you mean “raises the question” not “begs the question“

@danielegasbarro7489 Жыл бұрын

yeah... not a virus.

@pedroramos5715 Жыл бұрын

it's not a virus.

@iph2 Жыл бұрын

What if she were to have kids they would be immune too

@Good_Boy_3000 Жыл бұрын

Maybe. Assuming her immunity is genetic, and assuming the gene responsible is dominant as opposed to recessive.

@PhaseSkater Жыл бұрын

Probably considering she became immune because of her mom

@mateowoetam Жыл бұрын

Please don't call it a "virus" lol, it's a fungus.

@rayjaypsk Жыл бұрын

Either you buy into it or you don't, but there's no denying that hours worth of exposition to explain why the surgery would kill her is not exactly gripping entertainment.

@darthskele Жыл бұрын

If delivered by compelling characters then it absolutely could work

@CaptainTrips19 Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Also, the world has gotten used to living with the infected. There don't seem to be that many anymore anyway. Even if the "cure" worked, people are more of a danger to each other than the infected are, ain't no cure for that. Also, imagine if they did do the surgery and it didn't work.

@KesselRunner606 Жыл бұрын

for all those who this is their first exposure to this story and its morally conflicting and ambiguous ending... Welcome to 2013

@lordiromusic8550 Жыл бұрын

Joseph Anderson made this exact argument like 5 years ago

@TopoTopaco Жыл бұрын

Why do you call it Virus? it's a fungus

@cinephilejuices8302 Жыл бұрын

This just made it even painfull (Joel's death).😢

@ephremterefe4568 Жыл бұрын

you do know that there are people who haven't played the games right?

@Val--- Жыл бұрын

Unnecessary spoiler. Smfh

@weekendgamer6515 Жыл бұрын

Finally! My theory for all those years, put into words. Thank you! 🙏🏼

@h.i.mcdunnough9421 Жыл бұрын

Plenty of people have had these incorrect theories. It's a game/story, science doesnt need to line up to justify Joel's actions.

@TheLeftistOwl Жыл бұрын

How to miss the point of a story 101:

@AzureKite Жыл бұрын

Um actually it isn't a virus it's a fungus

@ailurophile71 Жыл бұрын

Finally a channel with its head on straight.

@choirulabidin9890 Жыл бұрын

As a gamer. What a relief

@hansdampf640 15 күн бұрын

Doesn´t matter if he was right or not... you don´t tell a loving father that his babygirl is about to get killed... end of story

@davadh Жыл бұрын

It's alright guys, we already have a ton of Reddit threads on these subject since the original game release

@realPlinkett Жыл бұрын

While the arguments in the video are true, it's missing the whole point. What does desperation do with people? Even the most noble causes can be corrupted by it. The Fireflies are becoming what they are fighting: a self-righteous, totalitarian entity. If put in the position, they would basically become FEDRA. So the real question is: Is self-preservation by all means necessary just human nature and can't be overcome?

@mongkeefee5576 Жыл бұрын

This video is the best example of intellectualization as a defense mechanism I've seen in a while. As a work of fiction, the entire argument of scientific probability here is irrelevant. What matters in this fictional world is what the writers determined as cannon. By intellectualizing the material to suite one's own desired outcome, you miss the point and artistic value of the question the writers want people to contemplate. It's about the tragedy of love. It's not supposed to be pretty, it's supposed to be honest. Honest not about the "facts" of "science", but about the emotional gravity of love.

@jebalitabb8228 Жыл бұрын

No one is reading your coping

@Prospect_ Жыл бұрын

Ain’t nobody reading this garbage. Delete this

@4203105 4 ай бұрын

What matters to a fictional world is the rules that have been established. You can't have a murder mystery in 19 century england and then in the last 5 minutes have the detective reveal that a wizard did it with his powerfull magic. TLOU ending was the equivalent of that. You are bending over backwards to give a pass to bad writing.

@kierbaudy Жыл бұрын

There’s already a fungus spreading without a cure. Makes me not want to eat any baked goods

@lookatmyright Жыл бұрын

If the cordyceps ain't in anyone's brain, then TLOU wouldn't exist in the first place, too.

@av36mo Жыл бұрын

Finally! Someone approached it from a scientific perspective. This has pretty much what’s been my argument.

@djgroopz4952 Жыл бұрын

It's just a video game. It's not meant to be torn apart with real world science.

@TheWhackyIraqi Жыл бұрын

@@djgroopz4952 lazy cope to excuse poor writing.

@dewitt5149 Жыл бұрын

@@TheWhackyIraqi It’s science fiction mate

@joefission7179 Жыл бұрын

@@TheWhackyIraqi How many apocalyptic fictions are out there that apply real world science to them? You realize any story with zombies (or a similar infection) would be bad writing in your eyes because those things cant exist in real life, right?

@ShadowWolfRising Жыл бұрын

@@djgroopz4952 Except it's pretty clear that Neil wanted it to work on Real World Logic and Science.