If Prof Pappe had been in charge of the IDF when Oct 7th happened as a result of an intelligence failure on what would have been his watch, he would have displayed dismay and contrition and resigned Because he's a good man Instead you had someone who was visibly delighted that they could have the war they always wanted

The problem with Jake is he thinks Iranians are not humans his head is brainwashed all he knows is Iran wanted to destroy Israel never mind asking why? what did Israel do to deserve such treatment? it all goes back to the occupation, Israel is not the victim here, If you ask any Nazi leader why he did what he did he will give you an excuse Jake doesn't know that people who choose to forgive their attackers are not weak but strong it takes courage to forgive and those who watch will understand this unless they are stupid

“...People nowadays have so much karma that they are soaked in it, and they will encounter unpleasant things at any time and in any situation. Bad things await a person the moment he steps out the door. When there are disagreements, however, people do not endure them and fail to realize that they are paying off their karma from the past. If a person is not treated well by others, he will treat others even worse, thereby producing new karma before paying for the old. This makes society’s moral values decline daily, and everyone becomes enemies among one another. Many people cannot understand this: What’s happened to people today? What’s going on with today’s society? If mankind continues like this it will be extremely dangerous!” (“Sickness karma”, “Essentials for Further Advancement I”) “..With regard to Shan [Compassion] alone, when it manifests in human society some everyday people who are attached to everyday people’s society might raise an ordinary human social question: “If everyone learned Dafa [Great Law] and practiced Shan, how would we handle foreign invasions or wars against us?” In fact, I have already said in Zhuan Falun that human society’s development is driven by the evolution of the cosmic climate. Are mankind’s wars accidental, then? A region with a lot of karma or a region where the people’s minds have become bad is bound to be unstable. If a nationality is to be truly virtuous, it must have little karma; it is certain there will be no wars against it. This is because the principles of Dafa prohibit it, as the nature of the universe governs everything. One doesn’t need to worry that a virtuous nation will be invaded. The nature of the universe-Dafa-is present everywhere and encompasses the entire cosmic body, from the macroscopic level to the microscopic level. The Dafa I teach today is not only taught to Eastern people, but also to Westerners at the same time. Their kind people should also be saved. All nationalities that should enter the next, new historical era will obtain the Fa and improve as a whole. It is not just a matter of one nationality. Mankind’s moral standard will also return to that of original human nature. Li Hongzhi July 20, 1996” (“A Brief Explanation of Shan [Compassion], “Essentials for Further Advancement I”) from Falun Dafa teachings by Master Li Hongzhi

"...Incidents such as Jesus being crucified have become the precedent for high-level beings who come down to save people. How could that be acceptable? That itself is degenerate! A god comes down to save people, yet humans crucify him-what a huge sin they have committed! They are still paying for it today." (Teachings at the Conference in Europe Hongzhi Li May 30-31, 1998 ~ Frankfurt, Germany), from Falun Dafa teachings by Master Li Hongzhi

As an Ashkenazi Jew, and as a human first, I hope for this too. Everyone deserves equality and justice, no exceptions, no erasure, no dehumanization. It's terribly hurtful for all of humanity when any of us are treated as Palestinians are. I had a small family and now it is smaller due to my support for Palestine. I don't regret it. Now everyone's true colours come out. I think that many are afraid to lose family and community so they stay silent or follow the status quo. It's not a good excuse, but a reason. I'm so sorry for the injustices you've endured whether in diaspora or the Palestinian territories. Don't give up

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​​@@jakenewfieldcongrats for this.Are you a Zionist?or are you just support an Israeli State

Pappé is an Israel hater and obstinate spreader of untruths and distortions of facts

@@Faiez-rh1gm what is your definition of Zionist?

Because you prefer to believe in lies 😂

I agree!

The truth is difficult to listen too so you prefer denial to diminish the messenger

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I see Jake the interviewer agreed that I believed in lies but he did not have the courage to call Ilan a lier to his face because truth will persevere.

agreed!

He’s an idiot

Yeah. Mentioned South Africa as a success. I’m sure all the 60% of the women, which were raped, totally agree

@@jakenewfield You're asking weird questions dude?! How to demonstrate your lack of knowledge of the Israel-Palestine exposed after this interview...

​@@jakenewfieldyou are not a worthy interviewer as you are giving this man a platform to spread his lies while you are weak in your questions, you should be called out big time!!

He's not playing devils advocate, he IS devils advocate! He's under the misconception that Jews claimed a state in israel and this happened peacefully? (Blatantly disregarding all the massacres firmly documented in history, k-lling so many young Palestinian men and boys to cull any attempt for resistance) This is why a debate with a Zionist is futile, completely useless! They lie and they lie badly!

Absolutely agree. Pappe is a master intellectual and his integrity shows through here with these questions. This kid is coming from Bra AIN wash concepts… and Pappe showed enormous patience. The questions themselves and the tone in which he is asking them - are so obvious. Ilan Pappe - thank you for being so patient with the uninformed of this world and their rudeness, in - I have to say - your very great presence. But because of how awkward this interview appears, Pappe is very clear and it may be a good video to give those that need to hear what he has to say.

@@lisabahouth8893 At 22:05, Pappe claims that "Ham ass is part of the Palestinian Liberation Organization". He also claims it is partly secular, and partly religious. There are a few problems with that: PLO and Fatah are considered as less extreme, or religious, than Ham ass Ham ass is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, not the PLO Ham ass means "Islamic Resistance", it is a religious Islamist organization The PLO stands for Palestine Liberation Organization - not "Palestinian" as he claims. Because, in 1964, the "Palestinian Arab" identity had not been created yet. At 21:50, Pappe is wrong about the charter, too. What is your understanding of the Ham ass charter? We can discuss

@@rywt4zc You can't actually argue with a word that Ilan Pappe says so you play semantics with a slip of the tongue where Pappe uses the word 'organisation' in a way he clearly follows up to make clear he means the Palestinian/Palestine liberation movement. More nonsense from you about the Palestinian Arabs and 1964...that's school boy stuff, go read some books. And you do know that Hamas changed their charter? Or is that too inconveniant for you? The Palestinian people have a right under international law to resist their occupation

​​@@rywt4zc I believe he has in mind that the PLO is an umbrella term for a coalition of different parties, with widely varying ideologies, and that as a Palestinian national movement Hamas belongs in that coalition. Yes they are an Islamic Resistance Movement. Resistance against what? The Israeli occupation of Palestine. The distinction you draw between Palestine and Palestinian in the name of the PLO is meaningless. For example, back in 1923 Jabotinsky in his seminal essay The Iron Wall recognised that the native population of Palestinian Arabs had the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine as the Aztecs for Mexico, and the Sioux for the prairies, and so would inevitably resist colonisation. For Jabotinsky, they belonged to Palestine in the same way that other people, whom today we would call indigenous, belonged to their homelands.

Exactly

These ppl are soft genocide apologists.

Just a minute, the interviewer is doing well. He wasn't just repeating, he was recontectualizing, and inviting his interviewer to elaborate.

@@mysteryliasarts3176 excellent comment. Most comments here are the typical Anti Zionism fluff. I noticed that @nano61 does not want to elaborate beyond the talking point. Interesting, but not surprising

He points out the impossibility of creating a two state solution due to almost one million Jewish occupants of Palestines. Also this ignorant host (a nice fellow) does not even know that Israel was not founded due to the German Holocaust. Also his timeline? of anti Semitism is ridiculously ignorant I must say he provided a respectful & a good platform for Pappe

​@@lancemanfredi6123 The Jews accepted the Partition plan. The Arabs didn't want to share, so they rejected the plan and started a gen0 cidal war. They thought it would be an easy victory: In a February 1948 UN memorandum, Azzman Pasha, the secretary-general of the Arab League, referring to May 1948 stated, “This war will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre that will be spoken of like the Mongol massacres and the Crusades.” Simple

@rywt4zc, plan aleph in the north - followed by plans bet and gimel in the rest of historic Palestine, which merged into plan dalet due to the surprising ease, with which the migrants could carry out milit'ry campaigns against the native peasants, farmers, villagers ad even township - were begun rolled out in December '47 already. By May '48, when neighbours finally interfered, a quarter of a million native people had already been sent into abysmal situations, that is of those, who survived, ofcourse.

@@OldTeaMate "The migrants"? Robert F. Kennedy visited the British Mandate of Palestine in 1948. He said: "The Jews point with pride to the fact that over 500,000 Arabs, in the 12 years between 1932-1944, came into Palestine to take advantage of living conditions existing in no other Arab state". Economic Arab migration. Jews had been purchasing land and establishing towns way before 1948: Petah Tikva - est 1878 Rosh Pina - est 1882 Rishon Lezion - est 1882 Zichron Yaacov - est 1883

Oh shut up... You are actually justify terror

Sure they are terorists, either you are one of them, and therefore publish this nonsense, or that you are so brainwashed with hate for Israel that you will justify anything, including such horrible actions by Hamas. As Ilan Pape is by the way.

Hamas?

@@rootin222 yes

so many untruths and deliberately false definitions such as 'occupation' or the comparisons equating such different violent actions as in Algeria with the terrorist act of October 7th. Anyone who doesn't emphasize the differences (and there are countless, qualitative ones) is trying to mislead. Regarding the Goldstone report: the author himself criticized many things in an article in the Washington Post and also emphasized that his report was the first time that the “illegal terrorist acts of Hamas” were investigated and condemned by the UN - this fact is “not often enough “been perceived. Or implemented, one might add. He hoped that the investigation into all aspects of the Gaza conflict would "bring about a new era of impartiality for the UN Human Rights Council, whose history of bias against Israel cannot be questioned." He also harbored the hope, “albeit unrealistic,” that Hamas would investigate allegations of war crimes and reduce attacks on Israel. It was “sad that this was not the case”. Pappé's example of the "kidnapped child" is disgusting and somewhat abusive.. “Pro-Palestinian” activists - those who see October 7 as legitimate “resistance” - want us to believe that the barbarism of October 7 was a natural, almost inevitable response to years of Israeli oppression. This narrative is part of an ongoing dehumanization of Palestinians in which Western activists depict Palestinians as a sort of single-cell organism capable only of responding to external stimuli. Palestinians, in this ridiculously common narrative, are incapable of human restraint, driven to acts of unprecedented bloodthirst as though they lack all behavioral control. This racism of the lowest expectations permeates the Western activist imagination, an Orientalism that has no parallel in progressive politics as it applies to any other group on earth.

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Yeah, they got smart and took out any mention of Jews and adopted the buzzwords of the woke worldview. This excerpt from their 2017 update gives you a pretty good idea where their hearts are: “The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression. The Zionist project does not target the Palestinian people alone; it is the enemy of the Arab and Islamic Ummah posing a grave threat to its security and interests. It is also hostile to the Ummah’s aspirations for unity, renaissance and liberation and has been the major source of its troubles. The Zionist project also poses a danger to international security and peace and to mankind and its interests and stability.” If that doesn’t sway you, consider the ubiquitous use of “yahood” in their media. It’s always good to listen to what people say in their own language.

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Me too..!😄

Cause you're probably a liar too

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Yes, me too 😍

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I agree that the host should be complimented for that. This is a gentleman who is interested in learning and that’s an excellent.

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@@sonyaahmed4168 Yes isn't it strange when a host believes the truth instead of an endless stream of pro-"Palestinian" lies?

​@jeffreywilheim5970 the truth is there is an unnecessary genocide when the aggressor has always been the occupier. Being Pro Palestinian is being pro humanity. The only myth and lie is that Israel is a democracy. Clearly, chosen pple do not believe in freedom for Palestinians. They are treated worst than slaves during nat Turner era America

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@@jakenewfield sorry if U support isreal I won't sub ur channel showed up on my algorithm because of illan

Agree. At the least, rename Tel Aviv to Israel.

​@@oliveoil5789or simply call it something new that is neither Palestine nor Israel. Peaceland or Holyland.

@@zq_77 levantine republic

It was a land for all practitioners of all 3 Abrahmic faiths , until the Europeans arrived on boats to take the land.

@@virgil4marvolo5crowl ok well that was 100 years ago... and most of those people are dead. time to think about the future not dwell on the past

Yes....he "let's" Ilan Pappe make a statement, then proceeds to say, "Yes,,.....but THAT being said...",.....dude, Pappe said it a MILLION times to you : If you're going to condemn/label Hamas as a "terrorist" organization, then you HAVE to codemn/label Israel as a "terrorist" state.

so many untruths and deliberately false definitions such as 'occupation' or the comparisons equating such different violent actions as in Algeria with the terrorist act of October 7th. Anyone who doesn't emphasize the differences (and there are countless, qualitative ones) is trying to mislead. Regarding the Goldstone report: the author himself criticized many things in an article in the Washington Post and also emphasized that his report was the first time that the “illegal terrorist acts of Hamas” were investigated and condemned by the UN - this fact is “not often enough “been perceived. Or implemented, one might add. He hoped that the investigation into all aspects of the Gaza conflict would "bring about a new era of impartiality for the UN Human Rights Council, whose history of bias against Israel cannot be questioned." He also harbored the hope, “albeit unrealistic,” that Hamas would investigate allegations of war crimes and reduce attacks on Israel. It was “sad that this was not the case”. Pappé's example of the "kidnapped child" is disgusting and somewhat abusive.. “Pro-Palestinian” activists - those who see October 7 as legitimate “resistance” - want us to believe that the genocidal barbarism of October 7 was a natural, almost inevitable response to years of Israeli oppression. This narrative is part of an ongoing dehumanization of Palestinians in which Western activists depict Palestinians as a sort of single-cell organism capable only of responding to external stimuli. Palestinians, in this ridiculously common narrative, are incapable of human restraint, driven to acts of unprecedented bloodthirst as though they lack all behavioral control. This racism of the lowest expectations permeates the Western activist imagination, an Orientalism that has no parallel in progressive politics as it applies to any other group on earth.

Yes, he is very annoying and so much more I care not to say. Meanwhile he has taken all my comments down. Wow what a surprise. Perhaps Pappe knows this kid’s dad and that’s why he patiently sat through this.

Que nombre tiene quien no respeta la ley??? Cr...

@@user-dw8yj3pi6y means?

@@santichatterjee7284 means "criminales sionistas israelíes"

@@user-dw8yj3pi6yIsrael did not RESPECT THE LAW! AND commits GENOCIDE!

You can if you buy off the biggest military of the world to give you unlimited support

The analogy makes zero sense. First, the aim of cops is to save civilians. Any other goal, eg detaining the perpetrator, is secondary. In war, the primary objective is to kill the enemy. Second, if the folks in the building were told to leave and refused, the logical assumption is they are collaborating or tacitly endorsing the kidnapper’s behavior.

Here’s the difference: in New York, there is a whole population willing to help save the kid. In Gaza, there is a whole population willing to help keep the child in captivity.

@@fab006 That's the most racist false excuse I've ever seen. You are disgustingly violent.

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@@jakenewfield I would if I could actually see my response to joge2468. Are you the one erasing it?

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so many untruths and deliberately false definitions such as 'occupation' or the comparisons equating such different violent actions as in Algeria with the terrorist act of October 7th. Anyone who doesn't emphasize the differences (and there are countless, qualitative ones) is trying to mislead. Regarding the Goldstone report: the author himself criticized many things in an article in the Washington Post and also emphasized that his report was the first time that the “illegal terrorist acts of Hamas” were investigated and condemned by the UN - this fact is “not often enough “been perceived. Or implemented, one might add. He hoped that the investigation into all aspects of the Gaza conflict would "bring about a new era of impartiality for the UN Human Rights Council, whose history of bias against Israel cannot be questioned." He also harbored the hope, “albeit unrealistic,” that Hamas would investigate allegations of war crimes and reduce attacks on Israel. It was “sad that this was not the case”. Pappé's example of the "kidnapped child" is disgusting and somewhat abusive.. “Pro-Palestinian” activists - those who see October 7 as legitimate “resistance” - want us to believe that the barbarism of October 7 was a natural, almost inevitable response to years of Israeli oppression. This narrative is part of an ongoing dehumanization of Palestinians in which Western activists depict Palestinians as a sort of single-cell organism capable only of responding to external stimuli. Palestinians, in this ridiculously common narrative, are incapable of human restraint, driven to acts of unprecedented bloodthirst as though they lack all behavioral control. This racism of the lowest expectations permeates the Western activist imagination, an Orientalism that has no parallel in progressive politics as it applies to any other group on earth.

​@@jakenewfield Thank you for your respectful hosting. Please do a bit of research about the history of the "indigenous" people of Palestine: perhaps starting with "Histories" of Herodotus (502 BC) and fast-forward to King David Hotel bombing by Zionist terrorists.

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@@Lovewins0356 I disagree. I think the host is trying to represent a different perspective for the sake of the dialogue and the listeners. He’s gracious and receptive to Ilan.

​@Cleekschrey that's being generous.

@@machsimillian14 well in any case it’s important that this perspective get airtime outside of the usual echo chambers. For whatever reason, Ilan was able to lay out a sober and coherent case in this format

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​@@CleekschreyHe's better than many, but still hung up on redundant October 7th story even HA'ARITZ now DEBUNKS. This host likely knows nothing about the Zionist agenda (commited to writings) BEFORE the first act of terrorism which devastatingly revealed who the terrorists were. KING DAVID HOTEL 1946

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Yea it’s definitely some liberal JVP type of bullshit as if every single peaceful option was not already exhausted

'The peace' way in 75years ....and what the result? Land n people of palestinian more gone ...

They were offered a state and then rejectred it. What mass peaceful movement have they attempted? This isnt to absolve Israel but to say the Palestinians have no exhausted their options for a peaceful settlement or a mass peace movement and even doing nothing is better, obviously the violence is a lot worse for them just look at Israels reaction to it and the U.S isnt even flinching with their support

TO MY WHY OF THINKING (AFTER CUTTING THROUGH THE OCTOBER 7TH ZIONIST PROPAGANDA) IT WAS MORE OF A MILITARY ATTACK BY GUERILLAS, MANY OF THOSE FIGHTERS BORN INTO SLAVERY IN THEIR ANCESTOR'S COUNTRY. EVEN HA'ARETZ DEBUNKS THAT OCTOBER HORSE MANURE, WHICH SOON TO BE X PRESIDENT BIDEN NEVER STOPPED REPEATING; EVEN CLAIMING TO HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF 40 DECAPITATED BABIES. "BOTTOM LINE" IS YOU EITHER SUPPORT THE DEATHS OF 100,000 CIVILIANS IN GAZA (YES MOST RECENT ESTIMATE) OR YOU DON'T. K.I.S.S. KEEP IT SIMPLE

Yeah these apologists need to look up what happened in 2018 and how the IDF responded to a peaceful protest movement. It's pretty disgusting.

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@@jakenewfield Jake are you seriously this dense?! Why don't you intervene Briahna Joy Gray, someone who is a lawyer by trade and is extremely coherent and sharp in her arguments when it comes to the Israel-Palestine issue.

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Prof Papé is a legend ❤

Thank you! I appreciate it1

And most important... he's a man of integrity with a very big heart !

"Ilan Pappe is a historical revisionist, an academic charlatan, and a traitor to the Jewish people." There, I fixed it for you.

@@manubande Dear heart, you may not know this, but we don't describe a scholar who spent his entire career promoting a demonstrably false narrative of his country's founding as a "man of integrity."

​@@jeffreywilheim5970 what a load of bs. Demonstrably false? Narratively false you mean. He is as close to the historical record as one can be...

@@danielhabibian9420 He freely admits that he lets facts take a backseat to his ideology and other Israeli historians don't take him seriously for that reason.

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Gazans were not under occupation before Oct. 7 and their movement cannot be called one of "resistance" as their aim from day one has been to replace the free and democratic state of Israel with a genocidal Islamic theocracy.

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🤣🤣🤣 Well... you're not the only one...

They delete mine also... As soon as I say something against you know who...

Pero no puede borrar nuestro pensamiento!!!!

@@bfworm Clearly it's Israel or Aipac agents in KZfaq. We have to fight this, but how???

@@user-dw8yj3pi6yMeans?

This is the problem. Despite the bloody oppressive history Islamists are telling us that everything was well under islamic rule. The history is there to see. Pappe does not realize that these people are not seeking equality; they're seeking dominance. This might not be obvious to him because they think their dominance will result in equality for all and they speak of it in those terms. But he seems to be speaking of equality with no one dominating. The fascistic ideology cannot be wished away. A one-state will inevitably lead to Islamofascists trying to take over.

Lol good point! People tend to be very polarized, and tend to think that only THEIR opinion is right. I think it's important to hear the other perspective in a good-faith discussion!

As a Palestinian, I Would love to have him the first president of free secular democrátic Palestine.

thanks dude!

Very good point.

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@@jakenewfield Hey Jake. Thanks for replying and taking note. I will subscribe with pleasure 🙏

His brother would be Muslim most likely 😆🤣

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