MENTONASC DIALECT

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Mentonasc, the dialect spoken in Menton and surrounding areas, is often classified as belonging to the Occitan linguistic area, although its classification is a matter of debate. While it bears the influence of Provencal Nissart, it also exhibits structural features and a lexicon akin to Ligurian Alpins. Some argue that its classification is more political-cultural than linguistic. Testimonies suggest that a Mentonnais speaker finds it easier to communicate with a Ligurian from Ventimiglia than with a Provencal Occitan from Marseille.
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@devofficialchannel 3 ай бұрын

English: chopsticks Mentonasc: "Chinese baguette"

@killersg.8290 3 ай бұрын

As someone who studies in Menton and has done a bit of research about this language, I never expected it to be posted here!

@RicardoBaptista33 3 ай бұрын

As a Portuguese speaker, I understand 70% of this language (dialect) :O

@insomniacalmond 3 ай бұрын

Ei aiii, é q bom ver mais uma pessoa q fala português :3

@bob___ 3 ай бұрын

Did you notice that the word for "orange" is "purtugà"?

@johnsmith-ir1ne 3 ай бұрын

Yes that orange word comes from Arabic

@bob___ 3 ай бұрын

@@johnsmith-ir1ne I thought lanranja (port.), naranja (esp.), and arancia (it.) came from Arabic, and it looked like purtugà meant "Portugal."

@desanipt 3 ай бұрын

@@bob___ Both are true! The thing is a bitter variety of oranges was the first to arrive in Europe through the Arabic trade routes in the middle ages. And that's why arancia, orange, laranja, naranja all derive from an Arabic word (which came from Persian itself, I think). Meanwhile the Portuguese brought sweeter varieties of oranges from Asia from the 16th century onwards. In many regions people gave it a name based on the fact that it was the oranges the Portuguese brought [to differentiate it from the older more bitter varieties]. In the end, these sweeter varieties became the dominant ones to be traded, eaten and seen. So much so that the name they gave those oranges, generalized to be the name of oranges in general. This is true for most languages in the eastern Mediterranean and Arabic

@Michelle-cb6gy 3 ай бұрын

Love from South Korea. Thanks for good informations!

@koonarta5899 3 ай бұрын

Oh my gosh thank you so much for making this Andy! I love the Mentounasc area and I’ve wanted to hear the language

@bastienpiana1480 3 ай бұрын

Je vous la fait écouter quand vous voulez !

@r.m.pereira5958 3 ай бұрын

Many similarities with Portuguese, like nasal vowels, s as sh in coda, definite articles a/u, gli/lh sound. Closer to the languages of Italy rather than Occitan.

@dionysus1394 3 ай бұрын

The only other time I’ve ever seen a rhotic r in a Romance language was in some Brazilian Portuguese dialects but each time I’ve seen it come up I go fucking crazy idk it’s so cool

@Bertot1559 3 ай бұрын

That rothic r is also there in Ligurian and Piedmontese

@nyko921 3 ай бұрын

it is also present in sicilian

@dan74695 2 ай бұрын

All r's are rhotic. In phonetics, rhotic consonants, or "R-like" sounds, are liquid consonants that are traditionally represented orthographically by symbols derived from the Greek letter rho, including ⟨R⟩, ⟨r⟩ in the Latin script and ⟨Р⟩, ⟨p⟩ in the Cyrillic script. They are transcribed in the International Phonetic Alphabet by upper- or lower-case variants of Roman ⟨R⟩, ⟨r⟩:[1] ⟨r⟩, ⟨ɾ⟩, ⟨ɹ⟩, ⟨ɻ⟩, ⟨ʀ⟩, ⟨ʁ⟩, ⟨ɽ⟩, and ⟨ɺ⟩. Transcriptions for vocalic or semivocalic realisations of underlying rhotics include the ⟨ə̯⟩ and ⟨ɐ̯⟩.

@monikadrozdowska2065 3 ай бұрын

English: Chopsticks.. Mentonasc: Chinese baguette.. Zwyklesian: Catholic bread

@Thiagosensei1981 3 ай бұрын

I understood all. Greetings from Brazil

@GiovanniDiassise 3 ай бұрын

Lengoa ligure ❤

@andreeaferaru2607 2 ай бұрын

Superbe vidéo, bravo pour tout le travail 👌🏼😇

@bastienpiana1480 2 ай бұрын

Merci madame 😘

@RBLXHORROR 3 ай бұрын

I love languages too and I sub ❤❤

@harleylikesddlc1632 3 ай бұрын

Love you and the languages andy!

@Davlavi 3 ай бұрын

Great deep dive thanks.

@feliperodriguesclaffnne8151 3 ай бұрын

It is phonetically closer to Portuguese and Galician.

@desanipt 3 ай бұрын

As a Portuguese speaker, I'm confused, too much of this sounds too much familiar

@bastienpiana1480 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your work Andy, is beautifull

@ilovelanguages0124 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much as well!!! 💖💖💖

@bastienpiana1480 3 ай бұрын

❤️❤️❤️🥰

@emanuelsstudio4478 3 ай бұрын

You can do respost your old videos?

@putademort9453 3 ай бұрын

3:30 in mentonasc from every sources, it should be "a camba" no a "gamba" italian

@bastienpiana1480 3 ай бұрын

Entre ce qui est écrit dans les livres et ce que disent les gens il a parfois une petite différence. Effectivement dans les livres c’est écrit « camba » mais j’ai toujours entendu et dit « gamba ». En faite cela aurait été plus correcte de mettre les 2 prononciations.

@BenjaminJuegaPro1376 Ай бұрын

2:01 I can't believe that good night in Mentonasc is similar to good night in Spanish (buena noche)

@putademort9453 3 ай бұрын

It's an occitan dialect (from the vivaro-alpin dialect) with heavy influences form alpine ligurian language. But I think the genuine forme for saying "something" is more "quarquarren" than "qualcosa".

@putademort9453 3 ай бұрын

The genuine form from Menton is also "arribà" no "arrivà". The negacion is very often given by "nu _ pas" like in the others provençal varieties

@putademort9453 3 ай бұрын

From a 1992 footage of mentonasc interviews in "Vaqui" with native speakers of this variety, from the Societé d'Art et d'Histoire du Mentonnais, the speech sounds much more provençal-like than this audio.

@brunobassi2440 3 ай бұрын

@@putademort9453 0:26 At the bottom right you can read 8 fractions of Menton and in the past there were some small differences ... this always happens in Italy and Menton in the past was Italian.

@bastienpiana1480 3 ай бұрын

@@putademort9453cela s’explique par leurs accent. Mais le mentonnais, notemment dans sa structure est très différent du provençal

@bastienpiana1480 3 ай бұрын

@@putademort9453c’est la même histoire qu’avec l’autre personne, elle m’a dit qu’on disait « camba » et non « gamba », cependant entre ce qui est écrit dans les livres et la réalité cela peut légèrement changer. J’ai toujours entendu arriva

@rodolphelefebvre3876 2 ай бұрын

A comparison between Mentonasc and Intemelian Ligure would be interesting.

@bastienpiana1480 2 ай бұрын

Its in project

@claudioflocco7456 3 ай бұрын

As Italian I can understand ~80%

@isurus8906 3 ай бұрын

Io capisco diciamo 40-50%. Comunque, non sono Italiano, sono Ceko ma conosco l´Italiano standard però non conosco i dialetti italiani che a volte sono a livello di una lingua indipendente. Non sapevo neanche che esistesse un dialetto Mentonasc. Comunque, souna bene. Dirrei sia qualcosa tra Italiano, Spagnolo e Francese.🙂

@claudioflocco7456 3 ай бұрын

@@isurus8906 bravo complimenti 👏🏻 beh non so quanto sia ancora parlato il mentonasco (c’è da dire che fino a metà ‘800 quella era Italia fino a Nizza, dove tra l’altro è nato Garibaldi) diciamo che basicamente è un dialetto ligure dove però le doppie tt diventano č come invece nei dialetti lombardi, e poi c’è qualcosina di provenzale

@Bertot1559 3 ай бұрын

@@claudioflocco7456la palatalizzazione della tt a cc non è strana per il ligure, anche se è un fenomeno arcaico e ormai raro.

@claudioflocco7456 3 ай бұрын

@@Bertot1559 grazie, non lo sapevo

@leonardoschiavelli6478 3 ай бұрын

Mentonasc, the easternmost variety of Occitan. This explains why this language is quite influenced by Italian/Ligurian rather than French/Occitan themselves.

@ibnenkigalileo9256 3 ай бұрын

This is not a variety of Occitan AT ALL.

@bastienpiana1480 3 ай бұрын

No mais il est classé en tant que occitan. Écoutez bien le début de la vidéo.

@Bertot1559 3 ай бұрын

It is a ligurian dialect influenced by occitan

@rodolphelefebvre3876 3 ай бұрын

@@Bertot1559 exactly

@AllanLimosin 2 ай бұрын

Is is a transitional variety.

@Jean-HubertGUILLOT 2 ай бұрын

As a french speaker i understand 80% of this

@piergiuliocalcagno7808 2 ай бұрын

LIGURE

@KingsleyAmuzu 3 ай бұрын

Is it this a dialect or separate language?

@bastienpiana1480 2 ай бұрын

Its same. A language is a official language at the administrative level. A dialect is a language not official. But linguistically speaking it's the same thing