Congrats on getting it to work. Hopefully more titles will come over time. And maybe more streaming services and devices too.

If your Philips projector is actually decoding the DTS:X for Streaming track, then it should transcode the DTS:X for Streaming soundtrack and output it as DTS-HD HRA with DTS:X over HDMI eARC to your receiver. Your receiver should display that as DTS:X. If you did get the "opt-in" panel and you chose the DTS:X track in Disney+, it should work. Make sure you've got HDMI-CEC/HDMI Control turned ON in the projector and receiver as this is a requirement for eARC audio to work properly.

I don't believe either of those can decode the new DTS:X for Streaming codec yet, but I'm surprised that you're seeing the DTS:X logo on the title card. Oh, wait, if you mean you see DTS:X in the list of available formats for that title in Disney+, that means nothing unfortunately. That just lists the formats that this content is available in, on a compatible TV. It lists Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, IMAX Enhance, DTS:X as *available* formats but that doesn't mean your specific device can take advantage of every available format. Have you tried any of the IMAX Enhanced content on Sony Pictures Core (formerly "BRAVIA Core") on the PS5? I know PS5 has access to Sony Picture Core, but I'm not sure if it can decode the DTS:X soundtracks. If it works on Sony Picture Core it should also work on Disney+. But maybe the Disney+ app on PS5 needs an update?

I tried it too was not able to get a DTSX sound out of a Chromecast 4K player. I also tried a Nvidia shield streaming player that said it supports DTSX sound but was also not able to get DTSX sound.

@@moonchild6269 - Chromecast and NVIDIA Shield don't decode the new DTS:X for Streaming codec yet. Until they do, they won't work for this.

Yeah, I thought the aspect ratio for Queen Rock Montreal was an interesting choice. 🤷‍♂️ So you already got the Bravia 7 from Sony, then? Lucky! 🍀😄 Still waiting on mine! Can’t wait to test out IMAX on D+ and connect the Theater Quad to it. 🎉

@ealanosborne - yeah. Got the bravia 7 today and the Quad (that's still in the box) and the SW5 sub. When you get yours, let me know if the Aspect ratios work properly in Disney+ on the Sony TV.

@@ChrisBoylan Will do! And honestly, I bet that’s the IMAX aspect ratio we’re stuck with, since it was originally filmed in full frame, projected on a 5 story building for the concert goers. Remember Zack Snyder’s cut of Justice League on HBO Max? Same aspect ratio, I believe.

@ealanosborne yes, but selecting the other aspect ratio in "versions" is supposed to give you a choice between IMAX and non-IMAX. Right now, that choice doesn't work. And I tested it on another device. It's not just Sony TVs. The Aspect ratio choice seems to just be broken. I've tested it on Queen and GotG - broken on both. Seems like when they rolled out the DTS feature now they're forcing IMAX aspect ratios. This is *really bad* for those with a CIH Cinemascope screen. Previously I could watch GotG in 2.4:1 on a 2.4:1 projector. Now I'm forced into the 1.9:1 or mixed aspect ratio versions of these titles. On a 2.4:1 screen that means the image expands above and below the screen.

@@ChrisBoylan Ohhhhhhh! Damn! Yeah, definitely sounds like a bug with this new rollout.

IMAX/DTS:X on Disney+ on NVIDIA Shield is not currently supported. Hopefully NVIDIA will add DTS:X Profile 2 decoding at some point in the future.

You did a search for "Queen?" It went live at 3:01 AM ET (12:01 AM Pacific Time) yesterday (May 15). But even before then it was listed on Disney+ with a teaser title card and the option to "add to watchlist."

I had the tv-MA blocked 😀 All set now!

@@MC-jb9uf - TV-MA? What? Does Freddie strip naked during the show? I guess I haven't gotten to that part yet. :) Or maybe it's just the Heinken bottles on the piano?

lol

Do you see the DTSX codec in your receiver during playback?

Yay. First confirmed success. Congrats! I'm still waiting for the Sony TV to show up and meanwhile, I can confirm that it does not work with Apple TV 4K, FireTV Stick 4K Max or Roku Streaming Stick 4K+. The DTS-X sound mix probably isn't going to sound completely different from the Dolby Atmos mix, it just may have more expanded dynamic range and possibly a different bass mix. Those Dolby Atmos mixes are already pretty good.

The above question remains unanswered. The poster of the comment has not confirmed audio stream of IMAX DTS:X on receiver is appearing or not appearing. I’m not convinced D+ have enabled audio streaming on select titles for IMAX DTS:X. At this point in time it appears only select titles on Sony Pictures Core app audio stream in IMAX DTS:X.

@@theentityai - the commenter has one of the confirmed supported devices (Hisense U8K TV) and described the DTS-X confirmation screen which only appears when Disney+ detects that your device and playback chain support the new DTS-X for Streaming codec. Once enabled, it delivers the DTS-X stream. In the three tests I've done (FireTV, Roku, Apple TV) that screen hasn't appeared because the Disney+ app has determined (rightly so) that my streaming devices do not support DTS-X for Streaming. The problem is that so few devices can decode DTS-X for Streaming that the launch only applies to a fairly small share of the market. But more than Bravia Core (Sony Pictures Core) since that was only fully supported on a single model Sony TV in 2023. But I'd definitely like to hear from more people who have this working already. The whole point of posting this video today was so we'd have a place to talk about it. I knew there would be a *lot* of people trying to figure out why it wasn't working for them today.

@@theentityai I can confirm that it is working for me. And it really sounds quite different. As promised the IMAX mixes contain the full dynamic range of the theatre mix. What it means is that you need to turn up the volume to reference lvl just to hear the dialogue. But when an explosion comes it gets really loud and hits you in the face. I really like it. However the dialogue and the mix in general seems more mudded in comparison to the Atmos-mix. If it had the same clarity as the Atmos and the DR of the IMAX that would be incredible.

Not useless. Just premature. Your TV is next on the list for support. The first wave of support is on select Google TVs, but DTS says they're working with Disney to bring this to LG TVs too. As you said, the TV and the Soundbar already support DTS:X. Disney just needs to update the Disney+ app on WebOS to support this. You'll be waiting a lot longer for Apple TV though. It doesn't support DTS at all currently.

@@ChrisBoylan good to know, thanks for the info.

Shield doesn't decode DTS:X Profile 2. Your LG TV Disney+ app should get an update "some time this year" which will support DTS:X on Disney+. We tried to get them to be a bit more specific on the timeline of the WebOS Disney+ app update, but couldn't get a specific (or even general) time estimate.

@@ecoustics thanks for letting me know. We need a new Shield coming out lol

Exactly! My wife, who couldn't care less about home theater, said the exact same thing. For the best coverage during the launch, they should definitely have put some effort into set-top box updates. Or, at least an announcement that it's coming soon.

Yeah, I hear ya. While I believe that most "regular" consumers use the streaming apps built into their TVs, hobbyists and home theater buffs (and projector owners) usually pick a favorite streaming platform and device and stick with it even when upgrading their TV. I bought my first streaming devices when the ones built into TVs were mostly garbage. I think I've been through 5 or 6 generations of FireTV and Roku sticks, and also have an Apple TV 4K and an android streamer just to round things out for testing purposes. I'm guessing that they started specifically with the Android/Google TV platform for the rollout as it is a relatively "open" development platform and they'd already partnered with enough TV makers (Hisense, TCL, Sony) that they knew the DTS-X codec would be available already on the hardware. And they're following up with LG next because LG already has the DTS codec on their TVs as well (since 2023 I believe). Most of the 3rd party streaming boxes cannot decode the DTS-X codec - because until now, they really didn't have to. This is the first time DTS-X is being delivered on a major streaming platform. So porting this feature to those platforms is a much bigger effort. When the DTS stream could be bitstreamed out of devices that did not specifically have the DTS codec, it was different. But now the streaming device must have the DTS-X codec on -board for this to work. And that's a much more complicated thing to do. I hope that the 2024 FireTV and Roku hardware will have DTS-X decoding but we as customers should probably make some noise about it so they see that it's an important feature. As for a software update for existing FireTVs and Rokus, I'm not holding my breath.

@ChrisBoylan I agree. But where do we speak up? I use the xbox series x and it got a dtsx upgrade a few years ago to where it will do on board atmos or dtsx decoding. I understand it's an older codec, but I would think it would be an easy firmware fix. At least, I hope so.

@@marcmolina9708 - manufacturer's forums (official or unofficial), social media, Reddit. Platforms with powerful processors like PS5, XBox, NVIDIA Shield are most likely to be able to do the upgrade via software so on those it's likely to "only" be a matter of licensing, and consumer demand.

They have no brains

Hey, if it were up to us, we'd be like Oprah: You get DTS:X and you get DTS:X and YOU get DTS:X!

From what we understand the video device (TV/projector) is the bottleneck at the moment for DTS:X compatibility. We asked the question in the podcast about potential set-top box compatibility, but doesn’t seem likely in near term.

@ecoustics yes, I watched the whole thing. I was waiting the entire time for yall to ask the set-top box question and the moment it came up, somebody's cat made a noise and yall got off the subject real quick. Lol. So, I was hoping there would be more to say on the subject.

@@marcmolina9708 we’ll ask Sven and update this thread. There are some more details here: www.ecoustics.com/news/dtsx-imax-enhanced-disney-plus/

@@ecoustics thanks!

@@marcmolina9708 - Sven told us before we started recording that he can't comment on specific timelines for specific manufacturers as it's not his place to do so. All he could tell is is that they are actively working to get this to as many platforms as possible (both hardware platforms like streaming devices and streaming platforms other than Disney+ and Sony Pictures Core). From our prior conversations, I expect it will come to LG TVs next as they're actively working on that. Apple TV doesn't support DTS at all right now, so don't expect that any time soon. I've tested FireTV and RokuTV sticks today and they definitely don't work. I would think something as powerful as the NVIDIA Shield (which uses the Google TV platform) would be the most likely platform to get it. But there are also these stupid licensing requirements about putting logos on the documentation and on the packaging (which Sven alludes to in the video), so that might actually keep manufacturers from delivering the support as a software update. So the answer to your question is "no one is saying when, but hopefully soon." This is the main reason I wanted to get this video out today, because I think there are a *lot* of people in your boat (including me) who saw this announcement, got excited about it, then figured out we wouldn't have any way to taking advantage of it yet. Check the video description for a link to the article on eCoustics where I'm keeping the details fresh. If we learn any additional details about compatibility, we'll add them to the article. www.ecoustics.com/news/dtsx-imax-enhanced-disney-plus/

No NVIDIA products currently support IMAX Enhance/DTS:X.

Actually it does . I have movies in plex that are imax enhanced play flawless.

@@starlord5804 i do not see in sound , only dts and dts hd. does yr receiver say it dts-k?

IMAX Enhanced on Disney+ uses a new version of the DTS:X codec called DTS:X for Streaming or DTS:X Profile 2. The NVIDIA Shield does not decode that format yet. It supports passthrough of DTS:X Profile 1, which is the codec used on Kaleidescape, Blu-ray Disc and Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc (including IMAX Enhanced titles on Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray). I'm guessing the movies on your Plex server are Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray rips. Profile 1 used a delivery codec of DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless) or DTS-HD High Resolution Audio (lossy) with the DTS:X layer on top of that. DTS:X for Streaming (DTS:X Profile 2) does not use a separate delivery layer and has no passthrough option. It is a lossy but highly efficient codec designed for streaming specifically. When (if) the NVIDIA Shield gets updated to decode DTS:X Profile 2, then DTS:X should start working on the Shield for Disney+.

Thanks for explanation. It’s unfortunate that most enthusiast of IMAX Enhanced DTSX will have to wait for streaming devices to support the format. I don’t think that a lot of consumers/enthusiasts will want to buy a new television just to be able to experience a new a/v format that is limited in the amount of content. I have been waiting for more physical IMAX Enhanced 4K Blu-ray content that was promised years ago. It’s also unfortunate that the final audio format is lossy and not lossless especially since the industry is supporting and promoting that you need to have hardware with HDMI 2.1 specification to listen to Dolby Atmos or DTSX that happens to be only the lossy versions. From what I have heard and read about CEOs of streaming services, they feel that most consumers don’t care about the audio quality as much as the video quality. And because of this, they don’t believe that the increase in price of the subscription for the required bandwidth of a higher audio experience is what most consumers would want to pay for.

IMAX Enhanced sound by DTS:X is a new option to get that IMAX theatrical mix at home (or close to it). You don't need all new speakers, but the better the speakers and amplification you have, the better it will sound. On physical media like UltraHD Blu-ray, DTS:X is delivered in a lossless format, via DTS:HD Master Audio. It's an object-based mix that will scale to fit whatever channel configuration you have with bass management handled by your receiver or pre/pro. IMAX Enhanced Sound by DTS:X for streaming is also sourced from the 12-channel IMAX theatrical mix but it is converted to a standard 5.1.4-channel mix (NOT object-based) using DTS:X Profile 2 for streaming. It maintains the dynamic range and bass profile of the IMAX mix, but is tweaked a bit for the home experience. Again, you don't need IMAX Certified speakers, but the better your speakers are, the better it's going to sound. I think people are going to enjoy the new option, whenever this gets out to more streaming devices. Right now device support is really limited.

Thank you very much for the information. Would be interesting if they could leave a demo of non IMAX enhanced, and then IMAX enhanced to compare. I honestly don't expect we will be able to tell that these films have enhanced features. I've only seen them once, and that was years ago. Better to have some sort of A and B comparison so people can judge for themselves with their gear and room.

​@michael-4k4000 - actually once you have a supported device you can very easily A/B switch between IMAX Enhanced DTS:X mix and regular Dolby Atmos mix. An "Audio Options" setting icon appears when you hit the down button on the remote. Here you can turn the DTS:X option on or off. They're definitely different. IMAX mix is more dynamic, Atmos mix is a bit more living room-friendly.

@@ChrisBoylan I didn't realize you could switch the audio output on Disney. thanks

If it does, be ready to pay. They already charge extra for Dolby Atmos.

True story, unfortunately. If there is enough outcry, we wonder whether companies like Sony may port DTS:X Profile 2 decoding to earlier sets?

I think in next 5-10 years

It depends on two factors. The streaming service has to support IMAX Enhanced content and the TV must support DTS:X.

@@ecoustics - and it has to be enabled in the region. Disney+ Hotstar is available in India and does have the MCU movies, but I'm not sure if they've enabled the DTS:X stream in that region.

Never. Good stuffs are only for white folks😂. (Also we pay triple the price for speakers, TVs, soundbars, avr etc. Govt is minting extra money)

AppleTV does not currently support IMAX Enhanced.

Apple TV doesn't support DTS surround in any form. Apple TV can display the IMAX Enhanced aspect ratios in Disney+ but the sound will be Dolby Atmos, that is not sourced from the 12-channel IMAX theatrical mix.

We’re not sure what your statement is in relation to?

@@ecoustics sorry saying I have imax enabled tv and avr

@@petethebaker - cool. Which TV and were you able to get this working? I think there is a glitch right now where it's not working but I'm sure they'll fix it shortly. Must be a stressful weekend for the Disney+ and DTS folks.

Did not get it working for thevdtsx sound to my avr still needcsjield to do an update.

@@petethebaker - not all IMAX Enhanced TVs support the DTS:X sound option, One Sony model from 2023, 3 from 2024 and a few Hisense and TCL models. In Europe and Asia, some models from Philips, Xiaomi and Sharp. Very limited device support at this point.

They're working on adding support for LG/WebOS. Not sure yet whether it's 2024 LG TV models only, but LG tends to offer updates to customers on older TVs and the C3 is a 2023 model so I'd say there's a good chance you will be able to get the DTS:X soundtracks once the LG/WebOS Disney+ app gets the update.

I hope they support the 2023 models. Probably should have bought the Sony

@@tamike9022 - another one of my comments got deleted (KZfaq is weird) but DTS:X was supposedly available in the 2023 LG OLEDs, so once once the Disney+ app is updated for LG, it *should* work for you (and at about half the cost of the Sony A95L).

We think either logo (on new equipment) means it will support “DTS:X for streaming.”

@@ecoustics - I think he's asking about the one guy so far who says he got it working in the Comments. Did he see the DTS:X and IMAX logos light up on his receiver when he was playing DTS:X content on Disney+. My guess is he saw both since he did get the DTS:X confirmation panel on screen. There are a few folks posting that they've gotten it working so I think it's just a matter of time before it gets out to more devices and platforms. Sven did say that the "sync device" (receiver or soundbar) doesn't specifically need IMAX Enhanced certification to work. The source device that decodes "DTS:X for Streaming" will convert it to a DTS format that the receiver or soundbar can decode.

@@ChrisBoylan cool thanks

Not sure where you're seeing that the A80J is supported for this. First supported Sony model is the A95K from 2023.

@@ecoustics it was shown on the video

@@fragranceandcooking - Sorry that screen shot was taken from the IMAX web site. It's an old list of products that support the *video* component of IMAX Enhanced only. That should not have been included in this video because it is misleading. That's our mistake. Sorry! Unfortunately IMAX hasn't updated this page in quite some time as those products are all about 3 years old. And yes, having multiple "IMAX Enhanced" certified products that don't support DTS:X sound is part of what's confusing about this launch.

@@ecoustics should I buy a new TV to work with my Nakamichi Dragon or simply wait ?

I also have Xbox Series X, Apple TV 4K 2021, and the latest Firestick 4k Max 2023

I'm gonna say "No" on that one. Even though I just got the DTS-X logo on my receiver when I tested it. Let me explain... if you enable DTS-X on the XBox Series X, it asks you to purchase a license for DTS-X and DTS Headphone:X or try a 14 day trial. So I enabled the trial. Then I went into the Disney+ app and checked out Queen Rock Montreal. There was no DTS-X soundtrack option. Only 5.1. So I played the movie and lo and behold I got the DTS-X logo on my Denon receiver. DTS-X -- NOT IMAX/DTS-X. Even though the Denon receiver is both IMAX Enhanced and DTS-X. And honestly, it didn't sound right. If this were working correctly, the Disney+ app would have had a DTS-X logo on that content, and it would have displayed both DTS and IMAX on the Denon receiver. I believe the XBOX is encoding its own DTS-X soundtrack from the 5.1 mix when you enable DTS-X in the XBox settings menu. The reason I believe this is that once I enabled "DTS-X output" on the XBOX, EVERYTHING on Disney Plus turned into DTS-X on the receiver, including multiple titles I know are not available in DTS-X. And when I switched the XBOX to output audio in Dolby Atmos, then went to "Guardians of the Galaxy, Part 3" on Disney+, the available audio option changed from 5.1 to Dolby Atmos. And that went through fine. So despite the XBOX and my Denon receiver saying I was getting DTS-X from the Queen movie, I think the XBOX was generating its own DTS-X stream from the incoming 5.1-channel stream. I'll confirm with Sven, but yeah, it didn't look right (or sound right) to me.

How does DTS X sound without the Xbox enabling it through the license vs Enabling the license ?

@@fragranceandcooking no licence is needed , DTS X for headphones requires a purchase , not standard DTS:X

Regular DTS:X (Profile 1) - Yes, but new DTS:X for Streaming (Profile 2) - not yet. But since Microsoft is an XPeri/DTS partner, I'd say it's only a matter of time before the XBOX gets an update to support DTS:X for Streaming.

@@ChrisBoylan I will pray for profile 2!!

Quick edit - The Hisense U7G is an older TV that doesn't include the DTS:X Profile 2 codec. From what we understand, the DTS:X Profile 2 decoder has only been available since 2023 model year. Older TVs are not likely to work for this. Hisense U7K (2023 model) is confirmed to work with DTS:X on Disney+. What receiver or soundbar are you using it with? That component also needs to support DTS-X in order to see the DTS-X option on Disney+ and it has to be connected to the TV via HDMI (ARC or eARC). Also, DTS-X is only available on about 19 movies so far (on Disney+). If you search on Disney+ for "Queen Rock Montreal" that is one of the IMAX Enhanced titles with DTS-X sound.

If you're not even seeing the Dolby Atmos option on these titles (MCU stuff plus "Queen Rock Montreal") then I suspect whatever receiver or soundbar you're using either doesn't support Dolby Atmos/DTS-X or you have it connected via fiberoptic digital instead of HDMI. You'll need an HDMI connection from the TV to the soundbar or receiver in order to see the Dolby Atmos or DTS-X options in Disney+.

@@ecoustics the sound I’m using is a Sony ht-a5000

The Hisense u7g built-in Disney+ app is weird with audio when I select TV speaker I get Dolby Atmos when I select Earc automatically switch to Dolby surround 5.1

That soundbar definitely supports DTS-X. We reviewed is last year and did test it with DTS-X content. Is it connected to the TV via HDMI eARC? You won't be able to do this over fiberoptic. Did you also check the audio output settings on your TV? The fact that you're not seeing DTS-X or Dolby Atmos on the Queen movie suggests that something is definitely amiss.

That's NVIDIA's responsibility. They need to license and implement the DTS:X for Streaming codec for this to work. Probably "just" a matter of licensing payments and software development. Again, this hasn't been an issue until today because this is the first time DTS-X for streaming is being enabled on a mainstream streaming platform. So hopefully all the buzz (and complaints) will lead to streaming companies and streaming platform companies adding support for DTS-X.

​@@ChrisBoylanIf i d be DTS i would dish out my format for free so that everyone has it. A lot of people who hear both prefer DTS so why not make them listen. I really don t get their strategy as they are in no position to be picky :D

@@muehliism - companies like Dolby and DTS live by their licensing royalties, so dishing it out for free might not be the best business model for them. :)

Not too many right now, unfortunately. For this launch, only a few Android and Google TVs are supported with Disney+ to get DTS:X. Some Sony, Hisense and TCL TVs in the US. Sharp, Xiaomi and Philips in Asia and Europe. Streaming sticks like FireTV and Roku and Shield TV will need to be upgraded to decode DTS:X in order to work for this. It's possible this could be done with software updates but it's up to the device manufacturers to deliver that.

@@ChrisBoylan I have an older TCL 6 series R625 from 2019, maybe I get it built in

@@Mjaybird - my comments are disappearing, but hopefully this time it will go through. Not sure if TCL had DTS-X decoding in 2019. I think it was added later (2023/2024). But if you load the Disney+ app on your TV, search for Queen Rock Montreal. If your TV does do DTS:X decoding then you'll see the DTS-X logo and you should be good to go as long as you connect it to a DTS-X-capable receiver or sound bar. If you don't see the "DTS-X" option for that movie then your TV probably can't decode DTS-X.

@@ChrisBoylan I want to go new QM7 this year to replace the 6 series to get a better TV

The Shield supports Pass-Through DTS

As far as receivers and soundbars, this should work with any existing gear that supports DTS:X so the upgrade for that costs nothing. But the DTS:X for streaming support in the source is required for this to work. It's possible the feature could be delivered to existing streaming devices like NVIDIA Shield or XBOX via a software update. If you use your TV for streaming, and don't own one of the TVs that includes DTS:X for streaming, your next TV might have it. And it's not just a new logo. The DTS:X mix is creatively different from the Dolby Atmos one. It is derived from the IMAX theatrical mix with more dynamic range, and potentially a more "cinematic" sound.

Black bars are sometimes necessary in order to fit content shot in one aspect ratio into a screen with a different aspect ratio. The IMAX Enhanced content on Disney+ usually has two "Versions." On the MCU titles, you can select between the 2.35:1 CinemaScope version (which has black bars on any 16:9 TV) and the IMAX aspect ratio version, which normally is taller and uses more of a standard 16:9 TV screen, sometimes for the whole movie, but more often just for select "IMAX Enhanced" scenes. With that aspect ratio, the black bars at top and bottom are much smaller. The Queen movie has a 1.44:1 (roughtly 4:3) version which matches the IMAX presentation, which means it has black bars on the sides. There is also a 1.9:1 ratio version which fills more of the TV screen. Oddly, as of my last testing of this (Friday) only the 1.44:1 version of the Queen movie has the DTS:X audio option. Seems like Disney is still working out some kinks with this launch.

LOL! Fair observation.