sorry for the MANY spelling/typing mistakes, i had to write a lot and i do it very fast :) 12:26 sorry for that big ass text it was supposed to go a little lower but idk what happened, you can watch the performance closely and without that gigantic obstacle here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j82Reb2kp7qdfKc.html

my main issue with this live format is fans don't realise how much editing and autotune has gone into their voices and too many fans assume this is RAW live vocals and begin to talk about how their fave has 'swallowed cds' and 'doesn't need autotune' which is super ironic.

I think with the new generations of kpop we are really losing the live singing aspect of a performance, with facial expressions and dancing becoming the main point. Personally I don’t mind the lip sync in some performances but in these type of formats they should really just let the idols sing. Like, give me raw, give me pitchy, give me real

A problem I have with it’s live’s post mixing/ autotune is that it often seems to Suffocate? Compress? Weirdly distort? the vocals in a way that makes it sound not that great. It’s usually really evident with rappers imo. Another thing I dislike is how they moved the band to the back. I honestly feel like It’s live became less “live” from that point on.

I always find it fascinating how loud Soyeon sings. So many times people comment that only her mic is on but it's just so blatantly obvious because she literally kills the poor mic.

The problem with this current "live" performance is that it feel too edited and robotic which sound strange too me. So i end up listening the music at spotify instead of watching idol live performance at the end. Which is such a bummer cause i enjoy watching the imperfect performance and it always something new for each times. Idol can sing same line with different way or change the lyric for fun.

love the first take! various japanese artists have commented on it being actually only one take which is super interesting. there have been a few artists on there who aren't super technically skilled and it definitely shows but i really like that aspect of it, i hope more kpop groups will go there for their japanese promotions. i also love that they put their covers on spotify and while there is some post-editing/mixing/mastering i find its not too heavy

MAMAMOO can sing live everything everywhere anytime, QUEENS!!!

MTV LIVE is slowly turning into comeback stages for korean broadcasting channel - which means they won’t be singing live while moving perfectly according to the choreo. I’ve learnt myself to accept this fact.

iT's LiVe always gets me laughing with the ludicrous amount of vocal effects, autotune and editing they use. It's about as live as a studio recording by the time it goes out. Killing Voice also ridiculous with how much they edit it. If their voice is killing it as you say, why not let it speak for itself? My personal favourite is Arirang Radio's Singin' Live - you can really tell who is and isn't confident/great at live singing there, and the best of them are unforgettable. Dreamnote's performances there are always the highlight of that year's live vocals for me, the Ghost performance is still absolutely insanely good.

I just watched BTOB on Killing Voice and was asking myself how live they really were cause I know it's BTOB and they're vocal powerhouses but they sound impeccable in that video 😭 like I can hear Eunkwang is clearly live but I'm so confused about the rest ;-;

Really great video. Killing voice has a nice format of video but they treat the voices too much it loses its life. It's Live I think it depends on the group. Classy did last year one performance that was almost raw (and I really liked) but I noticed each group sounds different.

“It’s not perfect and we love it” INDEED

Another point abour it’s LIVE: they do shoot multiple takes. Sometimes it’s noticeable bc of the editing (ex: A.C.E’s Goblin)

One thing that always annoys me about these singing shows is that they make the vocals sound so weirdly compressed. I wouldn’t care about a little pitch correction and what not but the vocals sound so bad because of whatever effects they’re putting on them ☹️ more nasally and not full at all, idk how to describe it haha maybe you know what I mean. Great video as always, enjoyed it :)

Lol yes, by the time we reached Genius Open Mic I’m just smiling to myself. We’re not saying they can’t sing, we’re not saying it’s not live. We’re just saying it’s not live when they were holding that mic during the perf recording. Some people will be pissed off if they don’t read your intro carefully or thinking you’re picking on non-favs when clearly, we know you stan the whole kpop nation 😌

kpop industry wants to remake "the first take" concept but can't leave the heavy autotune is killing me

The thing is fans REFUSE to believe their idols aren't singing raw. Kpop performances have a lot of assistance through pre-recorded live vocals, autotune, mixing, and backtracking. Yes they might be singing in real time but it's not raw or without tuning. But fans will get really pressed if you tell them that.

always love a mamamoo on killing voice moment ❤ great video!

AHHH YES FINALLY. I’ve been meaning to discuss this but I’m not sure if anyone can accept the fact that not every single live posted is an actual live vocals of their favs. You covered a lot of different types of live performances which is (not surprisingly) what I have in my mind as well. At the end of the day, broadcasting channel/company of each artists demand everything to be perfect (even if it means slight autotune). Weekly Idol is not necessarily a stage for live perf so I don’t put much hope on that, but the rest of the shows must have the bare minimum (turning their mics on). Any autotune heard - you just gotta accept the fact that k-industry calls for perfections; at all times.

Thank you for this insightful video. I've always wondered what effects these shows use and it was also interesting to see that many of these shows film multiple times to get the perfect recording. Fyi Dingo actually posted the unedited ver of Mamamoo's appearance and someone downloaded and uploaded it, before they deleted it and posted the edited ver. I think it sounds so much better: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pa5za5mFvt-5hqc.html

i don’t remember if it’s nct or svt “dingo killing voice” but a member spoke something while someone was singing and it went through lol it could be tuned a bit but for them to go sing a medley and the editors just cover with a studio version would be lowkey disrespectful for any group and they would most likely not have a great after session with the prod. team (just my personal thought on this)

Balanced volume isn't always proof something isn't live, just that there's post-production. They're always going to balance the levels and tweak things and how much they mess with the audio is up to whoever's broadcasting/publishing the finished video but it doesn't mean vocals weren't live at the time of recording. I recently saw Mamamoo and Solar is SO much louder than the others and that's fine in a concert setting, but they HAVE to fix that for broadcasts and recordings because otherwise it would be unlistenable. Using different takes in an edited video of live performances is also not nefarious or anything to me, it's just...how videos are edited. If they wanna use the audio from one take but don't have good coverage of the singer in that moment, they pull video from a different take. The only time I'd have a problem with this is if it's in a show that's claiming everything's done in one take. And I wouldn't say live broadcasted (radio, live music show perfs, etc) are always "raw" either, there's sometimes tuning and stuff that can be done through the sound system. 100% raw would be like...the singer doing a livestream or something, but I think even then you've got filters so these days you can't guarantee 'raw' anything unless it's right in front of you. But it's all still live.

The other thing I think we should talk about is the fact that mics can have software in them that autotune as part of their recordings - they can perform basic note corrections which explains why so many of the singers sound so stable and incredibly accurate. Even outside of the obvious autotune, idk if what we're hearing can be considered 'live vocals'. Plus, mic autotune can be changed to be more prominent which I think we hear frequently on the rapper's mics.

nice video this was super interesting! I think billlies its live 'ring ma bell' can help as an example of what dance-singing really sounds like, they have lots of autotune but the breath and jumps make a lot of sense. imagine yourself TALKING while jumping non stop.. do u think anyone can sing perfectly? live vocals are beautiful I hope we get them shamelessly more often

Gidle’s vocals are so clear even with the backtrack

been waiting for this, thank you! anyway seventeen on dingo killing voice >>>>

Really appreciate this video. Too few people know the truth and talks about this context.

I was so angry tbh when everyone started clowning the boys planet idols for a hot minute because they were so out of tune singing and dancing because like, yes you can sing and dance at the same time but most of the time the actual idol groups aren't doing that and even when the vocals are live while dancing they're edited, autotuned and given the loudest backing track in the world. Like i felt so bad for those boys but mostly i was astounded that so many people were willing to jump on them for being 'bad' at their jobs because of the unrealistic expectations of what a 'live' performance actually consists of

p1harmony the real deal with it’slive it’s annoying the fact that they have the pre-recorded vocal tracks with a live band is so disappointing alone and takes away from the experience. they could have some backup vocalists along with the band if the studio/or company thinks the idols can’t carry it alone. add in all the editing in post. some groups sound way overly processed compared to others.

It’s live is my favorite format! Shoutout to Xiaojun‘s and Kun‘s appearance there, which lives in my head rent free. Two things I also would consider concerning the „post production“ thing: for some of these examples I actually don’t think it necessarily is autotune. It could also be the echo effect of the microphone. The echo sound also does a lot for the voice and is used very frequently and how strong it is really depends on the preference of the team. If it isn’t as strong the voice will sound more clear and raw. There also is a thing called live autotune, which, for example, stray kids uses a lot. As for the killing voice example where you mentioned that sometimes they are too close or too far away from the mike for it to sound like that or that they mouth shape doesn’t change enough while going to a headvoice: I don’t know about that. If your technique is really good the goal actually is to change your mouth shape etc. as little as possible and if you know your way around with the microphone you can also adjust the intensity with which you go on a note, through considering how loud your voice is and adapting it to the distance of the microphone.

From The First Take channel (the one you used for skz) there's Atarashii Gakko's performance and Babymetal's that, imo, show well thats it's live recorded and if there's effect they really use the less possible!

I thought everyone knew that these weren't actually live. The only time you can really hear idols live if they're live-streaming and sing, or when they win an award and the backtrack is much quieter than the mics.

that nct live bothered me so much for the longest time because it did NOT sound like a real raw performance the way say, seventeen's did. thank you for this video, i feel validated.

would love to hear you talking about lee mujin's service!

What’s your take on Begin Again? That seems to be the most live of all of these types of videos, but I could be getting tricked once again. And then we’ve talked about Lee Mujin Service before, where they’re singing but the vocal effects are absurdly obvious and extreme

I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE TURN IT UP

Dang punched me straight in the gut with that first nct comment 😭😭 Other than the autotune which I expected I was a little surprised you didn’t mention Mark missing the timing right at the beginning of touch! It’s a pretty obvious a backtrack that he was supposed to at least pretend to sing but you can literally see him react to messing up a little lol 💔

BTOB Kiss the radio lives are always me favourite. The most raw one.

you just put me onto love or die so ty

I glad you made this video because the are a lot of "live performances" that you can clearly hear the autotune and editing and the fans in the comments are like "See? Who said that they can't sing live. They slaying." 😭 (Not saying that they can't sing live but they're surely not doing at that moment)

I needed this video!

I actually remember for the cix Euphoria cover that hyunsuk was a bit sad bc he was little sick on the day of the recording for the show and couldn't do that well. So maybe they actually sing like one take and than heavily edit it

love or die is so good

the chokehold that blue hour video had on me in 2020 needs to be studied like its actually engraved into my mind

For Mamamoos Killing Voice, dingo posted the unmixed/unedited version first before deleting it and posting the mixed/edited one but it's still somewhere on youtube if you want to listen to it. Not the best quality but it's good to hear the differences between mixed and unmixed.

"The live" definitely uses mic Filters to in to enhance the vocals

intak is literally always at one hundred performing hes so loud i love it LMAOO

YAAASSSSS I LOVE YOUR VIDEOSSS

love your videos

BtoB KTR is def my favorite, I watch them so often lol

You did such a good job at compiling and organizing the information you collected. Overall a great watch. The only thing is I often like to watch informative videos while doing chores or walking so having to read text to disseminate information may be discouraging to people who prefer audio-only. I know a speech-to-text reader is also annoyed to people too though but I usually don’t mind it. Still, this was a really nice watch and I’m rooting for your success in future uploads!

4:17 still haven’t finished the video but I had to stop because yes love or die slaps HARD go stream it you fools

I know this isn’t the topic of the video but since you aren’t covering every comeback and whether the vocals were live or not anymore (which I completely understand i imagine soooo much work went into it and its impressive you did a whole year of videos) i was just wondering what you think of svt’s super performances.

This video made me fall in love with Doyoung all over again

It's so funny, you're the only Kpop channel i respect and can agree with

Im so happy that someone is articulating the one thing ive had on my mind about all these "live" performances 😭😭😭😭 ive always felt like im the only one that gets bothered by how weird warped and unnatural the edited vocals sound, especially since all the comments just continue to praise the idols because omg!!!! they swallowed cds 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥they sound like the original!!!!

Yes I love these videos

Me: Waiting for Taeyeon Killing voice to appear. I believe that one is fully live.

another one i find interesting is how people, especially once’s, will act like lipsyncing in japan is banned or something? which idk where that came from, but jpop idols lip sync even more than kpop. and it’s clear from their performances in japan that these are not live at all, but the comments insist that they must have “swallowed the cd”, even tho they sound perfect whilst doing a backflip and in encores where they’re standing still you can still hear breathiness and shakiness.. i’m just confused where the claim that lipsyncing was illegal even can from

Fantastic video

When will producer's understand that the overly compressed and autotuned effects make a perfectly fine performance sound intolerable?

what about seventeen's dingo killing voice? it sounded pretty raw to me but can you share your opinion on it?

Tbh I don't care if musicians are not live for broadcasts or any filmed show, as long as they are live when I pay the ticket to see their live show. I have a friend that is different with musicians that are dancing and singing on stage, he prefers it withoutbreating sound.

The fans always think their faves eat cds and their talents are on another level.

Piwon slaying back down live😌✨️ Yeah and I had also noticed this weird editing for Boca

Thank you for this video, it was really nice to watch and full of details ! I was wondering about Limousine Service, I'm quite sure 90% of those are live, but for Minnie when she claps at the end of the song with her hand mic, we can't hear a thing, so I don't know if they cut off her hand mic early, or if she did lips-sync during the whole thing. Did you watch some of these videos ?

you can always count on piwon to deliverrrrrrr

STAN THE FIRST TAKE

you need to do this with other it's live, bc people still thinking most of the artists sound like that when it's not true lol

Writing before watching, but I have noticed that "It's live" ruins the voices of artists so much. I'm not sure if it's the compression for all voices to be the same loudness, autotune or something else or maybe all of it together, but it just sounds horrible. Even the good artists like Seventeen had to go through it and their beautiful voice tones were almost invisible and ruined, it was horrible, I really do not like how "It's live" edits their artist voices. Here after watching the video, so I wasn't the only one who doesn't like "It's live" as much 😂 I too always watch radio live performances as they're always the closest to being live or actually live. I enjoy killing voice too because at least you can see that the people were ACTUALLY singing and the audio matches, but sometimes for some artists the effects are bit too much. Also it feels just right that the BSS award show performance is in the intro. It was soooo damn good like it was the most live performance together with dancing that I've ever heard, glad that their talent gets recognized, so proud to be their fan! TMI but if I see that there's no live singing in a music show performance and the expressions are so so, I never watch it till the end. The lipsync videos are a "turn-off" immediately, I rarely watch them. Especially for inkigayo the fans scream louder and you can hear how the pre recorded track is played in the venue, it's unfortunate...

there's nothing more deceiving than kpop live vocals 🤣🤣 sometimes you can tell the editing but people are still tryna claim IT'S LIIIVEEE. ok...

Maybe it's because I come from a singing background myself but I find these "live" performances with loads of post production very annoying. If I wanted to listen to an edited studio recording I would open up spotify. A lot of these idols are fully capable of giving a good live performance without any editing (and if they can't it's because companies these days are not interested in actually teaching idols how to sing. They just care about voices that sound cool, not technique. If you want to know what I mean I'd recommend watching studio recording sessions where simple things like singing notes flat are corrected digitally instead of asking the idol to try again.)

Awww, I am sad to learn that there's autotune on It's Live/Killing Voice. I can't hear autotune, and I was pleased to think they really all sounded that good.

yeah its sad that most of these live performances still have mostly filters on the mics but its the only thing we could get as a really live performance😢 tbh this is too much, kpop is making everything too perfect like I want to hear RAW vocals because if they use too much filter its no different to recorded songs.

The way I look at it, it's more like a "first take" concept.

I never thought that I was fast but that was fast

I think Yes they sang live in the process of make the show but the sound we hear is already pass the master process to make the sound very smooth like butter to make it like they sang very well , like most of the singing show on TV you can find the fancam ver. hear a raw ver. of they singing is good but not that angelical sound without any mistake but when you watch a on air ver. it magically perfect that why I don't believe any show that "LIVE" to be 100% raw singing voice of the singer

I really wish we got less post production editing bc then we lose a lot of the artist’s real voice and choices and even natural imperfections that make a live performance so fun. I get why some editing can be put in there but it’s really too much and it does a disservice to the fans and the artists in the long run. I think the general voice enhancing of the SKZ vid in the end but still a live take is an example of a proper amount Or, at the very least, I wish we wouldn’t advertise things as live when it’s really just a different take from studio combined with a video of the idols holding a mic

imma have you watched the Music Core Karaoke one? Depends on the group, I think there are some autotunes too? Where will you rank it in terms of 'liveness'? Is it between First take and it's Live?

this is why i never watch this type of performances cause even if the mics were on, the autotune was as on too

Very interesting vid ❤can I know the intro & outro songs?

First, love your videos!

Controversial, but you do baby monster live evaluations? I used to think they were live with heavy autotune in post production, but I’m not so sure anymore.

great video! at least my faves mamamoo and stray kids are safe ❤️

Did you see the reply I sent you in your last video to show you the video where the ex-idol talked specifically abt prerecorded vocals on music shows? I just didn't know if you'd see that and I thought you might be interested 🙂 Greetings from London btw

Well atleast I can trust (G) I-DLE when it comes to live singing.

im very curious about what u think of the boys planet/zb1 live performances now that bp is officially over! i think for the most part they're 90% live but sometimes i wonder if their vocals have been tuned out a bit in post production for dramatic effect. And now that zb1 did their first performance at kcon they sounded like they did it live but watching the full performance it looks like theyre lip syncing??

what is the piano cover during the intro???

i love txt so much like i dont play about them but i cannot take genius seriously. 💀

Please please what song is this at 4:30?

our lord and savior

STAN TNX

Stray Kids in general when it comes to live singing>>

hi are you still going to do a lesson in prerecorded vocals in 2023?

oh man this feels kinda nostalgic. i used to be a band kid and in the comment section people would also try to figure out whether or not the vocals been edited. thing is though ... those bands performed to a live audience usually in an open area (concerts and festivals). so like, especially if the video is an official upload it made sense that the uploader would tweak the sound at the very least to do a bit of pitch correcting and noise reduction. i don't get the need to edit vocals recorded in a sterile room at all. 😭

i thought this was about weverse live 😭

we can’t even trust all the encores music core has been putting a LOUDASS backtrack during encores ever since 2015/16 and it pisses me off i only trust mcountdown and inkigayo bc they provide full encores with pretty good audio quality (side eyes music bank and show champion)

GENIUS is jokes😭

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