Immigrant vs Expat (Expatriate), which is the right term?

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BeingSwenglish

BeingSwenglish

4 жыл бұрын

The trolls have been jumping on any Brit who is living in Sweden using the term 'expat' to describe themselves, yet this term is absolutely correct and appropriate. Here's the Oxford English Dictionary definition: www.lexico.com/en/definition/...
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@jules77777
@jules77777 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! Thanks for saying this. U rock!🙂
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jules, it's a frustration for many that these terms are misused and confused!
@imrannazir6931
@imrannazir6931 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that the word 'immigrant' has been used as a slur by many white Brits for 'brown' prople from abroad for a long time. So when Brits do the same and move abroad, it erks them to think of themselves with the same word so they call themselves 'expats'
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 3 жыл бұрын
That's true and thanks for the comment!
@Suzuha_Amane
@Suzuha_Amane 2 жыл бұрын
they are afraid of accepting that they are no different than anyone else
@aurora9252
@aurora9252 2 жыл бұрын
@@Suzuha_Amane White people and their shenanigans
@sownheard
@sownheard 2 жыл бұрын
Expat = white Immigrant = brown/yellow
@lilvic7801
@lilvic7801 9 ай бұрын
I think it is something related to nationality, not race, for example, if a white Mexican resides temporarily in the US they will be called an immigrant, not an expat 🤷
@acmulhern
@acmulhern 3 жыл бұрын
Expat is just a pretentious way of saying immigrant. It's someone who somehow feels a need to differentiate themselves from immigrants of poorer countries even though they're the same. If you leave your home to work in another country you're an immigrant.
@Sean-tn5nv
@Sean-tn5nv 3 жыл бұрын
As you said, if you leave your home country to WORK in another country you are an immigrant. If you can support yourself financially then you are an ex-pat. At least that is how I see it anyway. Often an ex-pat is temporary as well.
@aurora9252
@aurora9252 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sean-tn5nv You try so hard lol. Immigrant regardless.
@Sean-tn5nv
@Sean-tn5nv 2 жыл бұрын
@@aurora9252 Not really trying hard lol. I mean if someone of say travelling around the world with say 3 months in each country? I would hardly call them an immigrant, regardless of where they are from/where they are visiting. If someone moves to another country permanently then sure they are an immigrant. We have to have different words with different meanings even for similar things. By your logic, someone on holiday would be an immigrant haha.
@aurora9252
@aurora9252 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sean-tn5nv That would be a nomadic immigrant.
@Sean-tn5nv
@Sean-tn5nv 2 жыл бұрын
@@aurora9252 Ah yes. AKA the wandering immigrant. Immigrants do not wonder. They stay put. I know you are being facetious but you get my point. By the way, I am an immigrant to the UK from Jamaica in the 90s. Grateful for all that the UK has given me!
@markreyes8291
@markreyes8291 2 жыл бұрын
Expat is made for people who don't want to be associated with the word "immigrant".
@celticminstrel8252
@celticminstrel8252 2 жыл бұрын
Expat= immigrant. Because you're British doesn't make you 'special'.
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
Regardless of where you come from, the two words are the same, it's just the pretentious and elitist whom choose to use "expat" instead
@NavodWickra
@NavodWickra 3 жыл бұрын
I am yet to hear a white person call themselves an immigrant. Immigrant is a word reserved for coloured people.
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 3 жыл бұрын
Well, here's a first for you, because I always refer to myself as an immigrant, because that's precisely what I am here in Sweden! Thanks for the comment!
@Edwinbraun20
@Edwinbraun20 3 жыл бұрын
I’m immigrant and I’m very proud of it.
@aurora9252
@aurora9252 2 жыл бұрын
@@Edwinbraun20 Your humbleness is lovely
@sharpasacueball
@sharpasacueball Жыл бұрын
I think it's more of a westerner vs 'rest of the world' thing. I've often seen Brits and Americans who aren't white call themselves expats and avoid the word immigrant to describe themselves.
@lilvic7801
@lilvic7801 9 ай бұрын
Is it bait? 😕
@jeanpillar4862
@jeanpillar4862 2 жыл бұрын
It's just a pretentious word that's used by people who think the word "immigrant" is an insult to them. It's a racial-based and class-based term used by western people with highly economic countries.
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
Precisely, absolutely agree!
@telescopicS627
@telescopicS627 7 ай бұрын
No, immigrants have rights and a path to citizenship. In reality immigrant status is preferable to expat. Be more racist against white people, folks! It's hilarious.
@i.dr.8012
@i.dr.8012 2 жыл бұрын
Oy, as an example, how many times have you called people from eastern europe expats? How many times has the media in the uk called them expats? Do you see the problem?
@annauk29
@annauk29 4 жыл бұрын
You know on the base level I agree with you 100% HOWEVER. The issue I have with the word expat is that many of those that emigrate from a country class themselves as expats which as you say is a perfectly correct term but those same people call those that immigrate to their home country immigrants. The word immigrant is often used as a derogatory term whilst expats is used as a higher class of immigrant. A perfect example of these people are the British expats in Spain who voted to leave the EU so that immigration to the UK is controlled. I mean come on? There is no logic in that at all. Its also the same people who will discuss in front of me that all these immigrants need to go home but when I say "hi, im an immigrant" they say oh no we don't mean YOU you are working and paying tax. The level of uneducation is scary. They will refer to Brits living abroad as expats but us foreigners living in the UK as immigrants. Im not just talking about people I know I'm talking about people I come across and also things I see posted on social media etc. You are absolutely right we all do need to support each other cause we ALL have something in common, we have given up the lives in our home countries to start a life in another country. We need to remove the difference some people put in the words as it is absolutely the same thing. As a Swede I absolutely love following your journey in settling in Sweden and find it awesome that you and other people are choosing to make my home country their home. Swedes are far from perfect though as you know yourself with the encounter you had. I guess what this wall of text is trying to say that if people refer to themselves as expats they can not use the word immigrant to describe people settling in their home country. Hope this makes sense lol
@lvolcere
@lvolcere 4 жыл бұрын
Expat is reserved for Westerners in the part of the world where I live...if you're an Indian, you're just called an immigrant. Not okay!
@ab-js2gw
@ab-js2gw 2 жыл бұрын
The question should be why british people don't call immigrants to the UK expats?
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, but actually it's not correct, British people others whatever they are, depending on wher the person is like who's talking.
@gerlynlofranco5728
@gerlynlofranco5728 2 жыл бұрын
They have the same exact dictionary meaning, but it's how people use those words that's the problem. Expat is a word used by people who don't want to be called immigrants because apparently to them, the word has a demeaning connotation. You're trying to brush off the problem and pretending that there's no existing argument.
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
There is no "brushing off" the issue here, watch the video again and you'll realise that I'm saying precisely the same, that the words are effectively the same.
@rav_8913
@rav_8913 Жыл бұрын
Expat is just a fancy word western people use for an immigrant regardless of the "time period/duration or work factor" plenty of westerners that end up settling in other countries still call themselves "Expats", this is rampant in places like Thailand & Philippines. As opposed to people from other regions of the world when they move to western countries even for a period of work, they are still "immigrants". This is based on my personal experience and observation. Again, let's not kid ourselves here LOL.
@telescopicS627
@telescopicS627 7 ай бұрын
We call ourselves expats because you're countries are racist and don't have real immigration programs.
@barnbersonol
@barnbersonol Жыл бұрын
Expats eat restaurants, immigrants work in them. Simple. When I was working in Spain I was def an immigrant. So much snobbery/ inverted snobbery! It's mad!
@rabiealawad583
@rabiealawad583 2 жыл бұрын
expat : white # immigrant : black and broun ppl , this is the discriptive meaning aka the common use of these *terms* the sciptive(dictionary meaning) meaning is different than what the words are used for . they are used as racial *TERMS* not as words
@ginasta7575
@ginasta7575 2 жыл бұрын
I was watching season 6 of kitchen nightmares and I didn't get why they called the British immigrants expacts
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's pure elitism and silliness isn't it, they're all immigrants if they're not in their home country.
@mushy111
@mushy111 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone can be an immigrant and anyone can be an expat. The issue is when the word immigrant is weaponised against people usually in a racist manner. It doesn't change the fundamental difference in the words. Expats are living away from their home country and immigrants are moving permanently to a new home country, as per the definition of an immigrant. There is a clear difference in the terminology.
@bierfuerall
@bierfuerall 3 жыл бұрын
If someone calls them self an Expat , it’s ok as long as he lives in Britain. If you move to a different country , your called an immigrant. About punctuations, I am sure your Swedish is perfect including punctuations
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 3 жыл бұрын
That's your definition/opinion in regards to the definition, but it's absolutely not the formal definition. You're entitled to a view, as am I, but ultimately the choice between these terms of just silly. Thanks for the comment!
@hide904
@hide904 2 жыл бұрын
What's the song playing in the background?
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
Can't recall now unfortunately, I believe that it's royalty free music from KZfaq.
@Fegga1955
@Fegga1955 2 ай бұрын
Perfect
@MsAmuay20
@MsAmuay20 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought that expat is meant for people that will eventually move back or somewhere else and immigrant is meant for those who are planning to stay forever. In my experience, people who describe themselves as expat never give me the feeling that they are blending in at all. But yeah, I haven't met everyone on the planet.
@uzzie88
@uzzie88 2 жыл бұрын
Most "immigrants" I've met never plan on staying in the country they move to. But they're still called immigrants. I know many who worked for a few years, and left. And they were never called expats. The word has been created to make white people feel better about themselves and hold themselves at a better standard than everyone else.
@telescopicS627
@telescopicS627 7 ай бұрын
@@uzzie88 The distinction is they have a choice, expats do not. Be more racist against white people, folks!
@englishwithgabriel
@englishwithgabriel Жыл бұрын
Hmmm. I see what you are saying. And yes, if you consider yourself an expat, so be it. But in most cases, the term "expat"is thrown around to distance oneself from people with no money and resources that have moved to another country in search of a better life. But at the end of the day, Enrique Iglesias is an immigrant, Melania Trump is an immigrant, Salma Hayek and myself. So.... trying to separate immigrants with money from those without is just ugly.
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish Жыл бұрын
I honestly believe that the definition of "expat" says more about the person trying to define it than the actual word itself.
@BondJFK
@BondJFK 3 ай бұрын
@@BeingSwenglish I know a millionaire Indian business man in UK who owned multiple office in India ,UK and Ireland called "immigrant" instead of "expat or "investor" even though he only stay in UK less than 6 month every year
@cartmann227
@cartmann227 2 жыл бұрын
You dont care. Thats the point! You are not special.
@theflybytourist8233
@theflybytourist8233 4 жыл бұрын
Quite sad when this online dig or bullying happens.. probably sad bored people got nothing better to do.. too right, we are here to support its each other. Have a fun in Stockholm!
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed Jo, the trolls seem to be so common among the expat crowd, it's strange when we should be together and supportive!
@telescopicS627
@telescopicS627 7 ай бұрын
Immigrants have rights. Expats do not. Immigrant is actually a preferred status.
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 4 жыл бұрын
*What do you think of these two terms and do you see any issue in using 'expat' to describe yourself? COMMENT BELOW and also hit SUBSCRIBE!*
@mitsu-NE
@mitsu-NE 3 жыл бұрын
Immigrant leaving the country of his/her origin with the intention of permanently setlling in a foreign country as permanent resident giving up his citizenship and taking up the new citizenship bearing children and make them the citizen of that new country. Expatriate/Expat leaving the country of origin to a foreign country in a legal way for a calculated amount of time for work or social service with the intention of returning back to his/her country of origin and not giving up his citizenship. Example American in China or germany or Saudi arabia working and living there Expat. American in America illegal immigrants no intention of going back to the country of origin settled permanently killed indigenous population.
@mushy111
@mushy111 2 жыл бұрын
100% there's definitely a difference.
@saint150
@saint150 3 жыл бұрын
An Expat is someone who moves to another country but they can very well still live in the country they come from they usually dont give up thier citizenship... an immigrant is some one who leaves thier country because they have to for a reason like "no jobs" " better themselves" "to not Die"
@GioTMIP
@GioTMIP 3 жыл бұрын
I think you are confusing immigrants and refugees now...
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 3 жыл бұрын
Precisely Ein!
@uzzie88
@uzzie88 2 жыл бұрын
Stupid response from john.
@mushy111
@mushy111 2 жыл бұрын
I've lived abroad for 12 years I've always planned to go home eventually. I'd never call myself an immigrant. I'm moving home in 3 months, am I immigrating home? No I'm repatriating.
@ashnoble8429
@ashnoble8429 2 жыл бұрын
Ok immigrant...whatever you say immigrant
@mushy111
@mushy111 2 жыл бұрын
@@ashnoble8429 No, my parents were the immigrants. I'm the expat. Do you get it?
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
Expat is simply a pretentious terminology for an immigrant. We never absolutely remain somewhere permanently, lives and plans change all the time...let's be humble, not arrogant...if we move from our home country, we are immigrating and become an immigrant, it's that simple.
@mushy111
@mushy111 2 жыл бұрын
@@BeingSwenglish Yes, I agree its used in a pretentious manner and weaponised against POC and used in the political sphere as a derogatory term, which it shouldn't be. Although a great many people move around the world on a permanent basis and immigrate permanently to other countries. Just as my parents did in the 1950s. There shouldn't be shame in being an immigrant, I come from an immigrant family. The fact that I'm temporarily living abroad for work in my eyes doesn't make me an immigrant to the country I'm living in, based on the definitions of the two words. I couldn't care in the slightest if I was termed an immigrant, but the fact is I just am not.
@mushy111
@mushy111 2 жыл бұрын
@ That's right. I was born where they moved to. 👍
@flip1sba
@flip1sba 2 жыл бұрын
Expats eventually will return to their country of origin while immigrants will settle in and later become citizens of their country of destination.
@BeingSwenglish
@BeingSwenglish 2 жыл бұрын
They're actually the same thing, it's a matter of semantics.
@ashnoble8429
@ashnoble8429 2 жыл бұрын
So call yourself a refugee then.
@telescopicS627
@telescopicS627 7 ай бұрын
@@BeingSwenglish No, the dictionary literally says immigrants are "permanent". I think a lot of expats would love to immigrate, but the fact of the matter is developing countries are racist and don't have real immigration programs, so we have to be expats with no rights.
@yasho.
@yasho. 2 жыл бұрын
Expat = white Immigrant = brown/yellow
@abdurahmanmohamed3378
@abdurahmanmohamed3378 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much
@sownheard
@sownheard 2 жыл бұрын
i like your comment im going to do a Expat move and claim it for my self
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