I am currently 88 years old. When i was 14 years old a friend of my fathers introduced us to reloading cartridges at his home. In order to find the over all length of the cartridge in my fathers chamber, he used an empty unprimed case. He then seated a bullet into the case longer than necessary and seated it with the bolt. After removing it from the chamber he used a match to smoke the bullet. He then made die adjustments untill he got the overall length he desired based on the rifling marks on the smoked bullet. He resmoked the bullet several times while doing so. I still use that method today for finding the overall cartridge length. No special tools at all are needed, just the gun, an empty case, a bullet, and some plain old matches.

I check my chambers like you did in the last part, but before i put the case in , i drill the primer pocket out, so when i finish i pour epoxy into the case and the i use them to set may seater die start point up as it is now solid and you cant move the head unless you try realy hard.

Your uncle Ben was a wise man. We all miss him so much.

You don't need lock tight. Resize your casing. insert projectile. slightly bump projectile into casing. Insert cartridge into rifle. close bolt. open bolt. take measurement.

Nice primer flex in the background. You know here in the states right now you can put a pinch of them into a little plastic baggie and sell them on the street for $100 a pop...

Awesome trick Piet!

I'm certain somebody has asked during the last year and a half this video has been out, but why not just run the bolt into battery after using the loctite?

If you gingerly place the cartridge into the chamber with the Hornady tool, it won’t be as far in as what the bolt will do, thus the bullet will be pushed too far out. If the Hornady tool is substituted by the bolt, it will compress the cartridge slightly more into the chamber and thus push the bullet less into the bore. The Locktite method has been used for many years because of its superior potential to be more precise with seating and engaging the lands than with the Hornady tool. Just use the bolt to properly compress the case into the chamber, let the Locktite harden, then extract the cartridge with the bolt; now you have an exact base to ogive template for the bullet chosen.

I like this method a lot. I used to gently place a bullet in a fired case and leave it long. Close the bolt. Measure from the muzzle to the tip of the bullet. Remove the case and bullet and measure to closed bolt from the muzzle again. Subtract the two measurements and get my overall cartridge length to the tip of the bullet when just touching the lands.

White vinegar can be used to get loctite off of the work pieces.

I've been using a similar method.I use a collet die to put a slight bit of neck tension that I can still pull the bullet out with my finger. I've also used a dremel to cut a notch in the neck of a sized case to achieve the same thing for cartridges I don't have a neck die for.

A couple points , you can drill a tap a spent case yourself by hand , if you got the proper tools n equipment. Second on this tip I myself use 262 loctite and when setting the round in the chamber , I place it carefully by hand then use the bolt to set it. Then wait 15 minutes for the 262 loctite to setup. Then take the measurement. I save that round as a gauge tool for that particular firearm for reference only. The last point if you are looking for the most awesome bench vise system work your firearms made take a look at Howard’s total vise system. A lot of videos on KZfaq about it. Full disclosure here, I’ve purchased his whole system, it’s totally awesome and vary heavy duty. He is located in Lolo Montana. His workmanship on his products are A+. He makes everything himself right here in the USA. It’s all steel components, and the knobs are highest quality and they are great people to deal with. I highly recommend him and I’m totally pleased with my purchase and you will to.

Great tip! I’ll have to try it. I’ve also taken a neck sized case and cut a couple of longitudinal slits with a dremel, and that holds the bullet but allows it to push back against the lands into the case. That definitely does nuke the case though where this will still save your fired case. I have to say that 7 mm 300 win mag is impressive! 195 grains at 3000 FPS!? I’m coming up with a huge 3896 foot lbs for that guy, a 1 mile rifle there! Thanks for sharing.

Instead of loctite, use a fired, neck sized case, cut an "X" across the mouth of the case to create 4 "petals." Use pliers if needed to slightly bend the 4 petals created from the X cut such that a bullet is snug, but still able to slide. Using a fine tip pen, make a mark around the top edge of a petal and on the bullet (this is just a way to confirm the bullet actually moves), then gently chamber this round, then gently extract it. Take your measurement. Repeat a couple times to ensure consistency. Using the cut neck, you can now use that same casing every time you try a different bullet and record your measurement, no need to mess with loctite or sacrificing a case for every different bullet you want to measure. Also, it's better to actually chamber the dummy round with the bolt and not just push it in until it stops because in actual use, that's how your rounds are going to be used. You'll get a better measurement of how the round will actually sit in the chamber.

Hi Pete Another way of chamber measurement is to use a fired case and partially neck size the cartridge case and then using you press insert the head but not seat it to the full depth; use a candle and then blacken the head; what you want to see is the land marks on the head; place the round in the chamber gently and using the bolt to push the head home and further into the cartridge case Gently unlatch the bolt and extract the cartridge; you can now measure the overall length walla complete

Great tip Pieter. Many shooters do not understand that there could be anything up to 0.010 or more difference between the Hornady Modified case and their fire formed cases fired in their chamber . Yes you can have your fired cases drill and tapped to fit onto the Hornady tool and that’s fine but the method you just showed us is super quick and easy and works just as well .

For someone who just starting reloading and not sure where it ll take me (and you all probably know how expensive starting this hobby can be) this is awesome .. plust this is something you can use no need to have extra tools .. super big thank you !

Awesome thanks. i have been doing it for a while now as a friend showed me the trick, it improved the accuracy on every rifle i have ever used it on. without using special tools.

Have used this method a few times. Usually if you try a few cases you can find one that is snug enough to hold the projectile without any lock tight. Also have just used closing the bolt to set the length instead of pushing it with something. Love all the content you post. From 🇨🇦

That is so cool, I have two rem 700 BDLs, 270 and 308, this will make loading for them so much more precise.

I'm new to the reloading game... or rather will be when materials become available here in the states. I will definitely remember this tip. Cheers!

would it been better to use the bolt to seat the test round ?

Wow, nice, I like gadgets and stuff but also simplicity! Thanks for sharing! As a starting reloader I have tons of stuff to buy so this is really helping and fun !

Piet. I tried the method and it worked great. I kept the case and bullet in the barrel for 30 minutes. Bullet held tightly with the Blue Loctite. Will do that with my other favorite loads. I had used the Dremel method with a cut in the neck. What I like about this is I can keep the round for reference if I choose to.

As a new reloader, that just saved me a tool I don't need. Thanks for sharing.

Awesome tip!! Making some for all my rifle calibers! Thanks!

Slightly compress the case neck with a Lee Collet Die just enough to feel a slight resistance on the case. use red Loctite. Use a cotton swab and clean up any loctite 1/16 inch into case neck. Place in clean chamber and gently close bolt. When extracted crimp projectile in place so it doesn’t move.

that quick detach reload , vice/ press is a must have

Great idea. I have been reloading over 1/2 a century. Always something new to learn

Always learning something from you. Thanks Piet!

You forgot to mention about bumping back the shoulder would change the OAL. Measuring the OAL with the bumped back case is pushed forward and the bullet has to be seated the amount of the bump back besides the amount you desire for accuracy.

Easier way than that is to neck size the case , partially seat the prjectile in the case then I put the case in the bolt , mod 98 , then insert the bolt , lock it up & pull it out , job done 👍🏼

Great work Pete! You really should be wearing a cape if you’re going to show secrets like this. The Batman of SA!

Matt is awesome he is full of tricks!!!

My first try the loctite set before I could chamber the round LOL I also packed the round with a small piece of memory foam so it had a bit of resistance behind the projectile, managed to free the projectile and have another go

Random tip, maybe mark the bullet with a dotted line lengthwise as another check to make sure the bullet moved in. Say you mark 6 dots visible, and after only 3 or 4 are visible, you know the bullet did in fact move back from the rifling

Great video Piet, wish I had of seen this before the last weekend, just bought the the tools lol. 👍🍻🇨🇦

Love die vid Piet!! Jou setup en die hemde is awesome! Daai muzzle break is dope!

Do you buy the MDT mags without binder plate to fit your bullets?

I have a question. Do I assume you didn’t have to pull the firing pin and extractor out as it didn’t put any pressure on the bolt

Looks a very simple and easy idea. Sorry if I missed it but wouldn’t it be better to push the prepped cartridge in with the bolt and with mag in and port load so bullet doesn’t nose dive and push back,.

Since with your method you are sacrificing a case anyway, you can also just take a dremel and cut a small slit in the neck down to the shoulder of a re-sized case and it will have enough tension to hold the bullet but not too much keeping it from moving inside the neck.

Love the content as always Piet! I prefer the method you've just demonstrated. Up till now I've used the split case method where using a die grinder split the neck section of a case only and the mouth squeezed in a fraction to gain friction on the proj. Then chamber round using bolt and gently extract to leave proj at the contact point then back off slightly from that. Reusable item then as brl wears.

Saw this on ultimate reloader...thought I'd drop by and let you know that it worked perfectly. Great tip!

I use a slightly different method that is even quicker - use a once fired case and put a fine cut in the neck with a Dremel and a cutting wheel. Neck size the case and fractionally seat a projectile in the neck. Chamber the round and than remove and measure. The same case can be used to measure different projectiles. Ps Great work on all your videos mate 🤙

Pieter, Perfect timing. I was about to purchase the Hornady tool. Taking your reading with ogive device on the caliper, does that give OAL? Do you recommend that for measuring rather than just the caliper? Thanks for the great tip.

Hi Pieter, where can I find that Impact Shooting Mount? I can find it on your website. Nor in the description. Thanx for great content and tips!

11:21 You can just use a kinetic bullet puller to get it out if it doesn't want to come.

Hay mate can you do a video on the headspace on a pump action .308. Thanks

Thanks for sharing this video👍🏻

I need help shooting prone. When I am done my neck is sore. I am shooting a Savage 12 FV in 6.5 Creedmoor with a factory stock. I know my position has to be wrong if I am sore after a short time.

That’s a great idea thanks

All I do is use a fire formed case with just enough neck tension to hold the bullet. Chamber the round, close the bolt and hey presto the bullet will stop when it's touching the lands. No fancy gadgets or tricks needed.

Could this method be used for pistol ammunition aswell?

Super super cool

Afternoon. Thank you for the video. My question is my chamber seating depth on my 308 is 73.1mm I have been loading 68.8. Is that sufficient or what would you recommend. Probably stupid question but I'm not a everyday loader. Regards Louis

Wouldn't it make more sense to use the bolt to seat the cartridge? Since that's what's going to be seating the cartridge when in use

Remove the ejector from your bolt install to install the case. Also use a Q tip to apply the lock tight

Piet how do you go about keeping all your adjustment screws on the buttstock from rattling loose? I'm fairly new to the ACC chassis and have found the cheek riser and length of pull rattling loose after a few stages

I'm going to flyover and grab those primers

Im lost. This measures ogive to breechface, how do I measure headspace (ie shoulder datum to breechface) or do we only care about the freebore?

any reason you would not close the bolt on the round?

Could you push the case in with your bolt and then let it set like that

A little heat from a torch will melt the locktite, making extraction easy. It sure is easier than chamber casts and manual measurements!

Saved a lot of shooters $40. Thanks :-)

Mounts for the vise look very similar to Inline Fabrication.

Start at 7:00.

If you want to get a even more accurate measure with lock time use a small price of litmus paper on the lead and ge a space correction on bullet and make sure the bullet doesn't pull out a couple thousand because of sticking in chamber. Anti seize on bullet also makes more accurate measure also.

love the shirt

Love it👍

I’ve run 195gn Berger in a 7 rem mag at 3000 fps. Why use a 300 case to do the same thing?

Hi Pieter, can you do this method by just inserting the round into the chamber and closing the bolt? Or do you have to push it in using a dell stick or something similar? Will closing the bolt and leaving the loctite to dry give you the same reading?

I've seen it done recently and they used red loctite and inserted it into the chamber with the bolt.

Super cool! Sit nou juis met my geweer wat ek moet meet maar het nie die tools nie! Raai wat doen ek die naweek? 😃😃😃💪🏼💪🏼

As I understand it, loctite sets in the absence of Oxygen so, it shouldn't set unless it's reasonably confined like in a thread or case neck with bullet in. Whenever I've had loctite leak out, it doesn't seem to set & just wipes off. Yes, it's a royal pain to to measure BTO in some rifles. My Ruger M77 MII is a real pain because of the spring loaded ejector tag which is at the rear of the action & interferes with the darn angle of the Hornady AOLG. I might give this a go I think.

Is there any place online I can go and purchase one of those muzzle brakes? I'm in the United states.

cheers, dankie vir die info. jy spaar my R800.

Holy crap, that brake is B E A UTIFUL...

I have to watch this again because I have no idea what he just did.

Great video as always.. Greetings from Texas... I am a lefty shooting a right handed rifle in PRS....😂 Any tips.. Other than get a left handed rifle! I have a Savage I'm building but pandemic money is tight!

a light crimp will do the same thing, without the locktite.

This is inconclusive if you don't compare the headspace measurement of both cases. In both instances the case is inserted to the shoulder and does not reference the bolt face.

That cool

If you make "SUPER COOL" t-shirts, I'll buy one.

Of the those famous words of Homer Simpson, Doh!

What was the lenght

Man you should advertise your website in your videos for the stateside guys. I know a lot of people that have been wanting them muzzle brakes. And who knows might make ya rich! If I missed you advertising it, then I guess I’d better pay a bit more attention.

May have to give that a try. Definitely need to be careful not to get loctite in the chamber though. Check out Eric Cortina’s channel if you haven’t already. F class pro shooter and Lapua team member. Really good reloading tips. He has also done several collaborations with other content creators recently. ie Jerry Miculek and Demo Ranch. Might be fun when you make it to the US.

Just a question.... It's not the same uncle Ben that got shot infront of the library is it? Pete/Peter aka Piet/Pieter #spidermanreference It all makes sense now...

Both of these methods rely on a case that headspaces on the shoulder and they both require that the case have 0 headspace to give an accurate reading. I create a little neck tension, there's lots of simple ways to to that, load a bullet long and then carefully load it into the chamber using the bolt so that it's giving a true measurement.

I guess you really need to resize and trim the case first as the jam pressure will change with neck tension. Also you need to be sure all the pressure is on the bullet and not shared with the case shoulder. For absolute max COL you need a case with no shoulder bump and a very loose bullet so the bullet pushes back into the case until the shoulder is fully seated?

You've already got the Hornady tool, so why mess with the locktite ? You're still using the Hornady system to measure it.

One problem here Piet, jam is neck tension dependent so maybe try and do it with a case that's been prepped fully?... Bolt Action Reloading made a nice video showing how the jam measurement changes with neck tension changes kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qreDZpZprJrSimQ.html

Piet, could you have just used the bolt to seat the bullet instead of pushing it with the rod?

Nice Pieter. Ek het sopas een van daai Hornady goed gekoop. 😫

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That shit is cool

Oh man I need that break in my life.... Please let us know when we can order in the states bro.

Dropped a like for the Spider-Man comment. Dude beat me to the punch.

Hello Pieter ek het 1 maand Trug bigin;ek is nou 13 jaar oud en skiet met ń peletgun maar skiet ook met my friend Se pa met groot guns