All good and fun, but where is ISD Chimera??

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If I could make a recommendation for the Arsenal videos? When talking about Ship/Vehicle compliments you should if possible display them with how many they would have carried. EX: in this video you mentioned the weapons carried by the Imperial class and it's fighter complement in the future I think it would be better to show the numbers on screen with an image of the weapon/fighter

You had me untill you started going into the non canon disney lore

40K vehicles & warships, Starcraft units, Warframe railjack, etc. Soo many to choose from...

Yes, that is my sentiment as well. Long have I waited for Star Trek to turn to Star Wars for future inspiration for ship designs. I really want to see a Federation Star Destroyer serving as the Flagship of Starfleet. What do you think -- would you welcome a Star Destroyer named Enterprise?

It is my favourite sci fi ship design. I know realistically it would be flawed as hell. But that dagger shape and bridge just do it for me, idk y.

@@Robert_Douglass nope. The federation would never build such a ship. The Defiant is their idea of a warship. Not a slow lumbering easy destroyed carrier

@@martindevon3204 Yeah they wouldnt, they wiuld be to busy bragging about how realistic their sci fi universe is.

Who wouldn’t want one. 😎

Ion Torpedoes:Hold our tubes

@@michaelandreipalon359 Escort ships such as Arquitens, Carracks, Lancers or even Victories could have mitigated the ISD's weaknesses without changing its design to compromise forward firepower, but the Empire was so blinded by the ISD's size and might to recognize and prepare for its shortcomings.

@@MistahFox And it was heavily exploited by the rebel scum...

None of which is accurate in any of the movies or novels. Yay for bad writing.

Random dipshit inside a snubfighter aiming his puny fighter laser cannons at an ISD’s “sensor domes”: Hold my beer.

stormtrooper helmet, and tie fighter too I’d say

i personally prefer the Anaconda from elite dangerous, but i do agree.

The Imperial II is better.

Even if, theoretically, the prequel trilogy came out first I personally think the ISD would be far more iconic than the Venator’s design because it has an overall simplistic silhouette that a child can draw it but as you look deeper into it the finer details appear and people can appreciate it

*laughs in Falcon*

To each their own. To me, one of the few good things about the sequel trilogy was the design of the ISD's sucessor, the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer. As iconic as the ISD is, I personally just like the Resurgent's design more.

That is one reason why i love the old EU ^^

@@Timjer92 Yeah why use a ship with so many flaws when you can just create a new one that is much stronger and without those flaws?

@@orbaitv5991, Finn and Poe literally used the ship’s own hull as cover from its armament.

I just wished the first order felt more of a threat and their own thing while taking inspiration from the galactic empire rather than a copy and paste with different members and ships

The mental image of renaming them is kinda funny XD. "Oh shit, It's a Star Destroyer! They plan to conquer us!" "What? that? Oh, no no no no....that's a Battle Carrier! see? totally different. Nothing to worry about."

Before Disney: Ships used even 150 years after construction if still useful After Disney: Whole republic fleet gets scrapped within few months for no reason

@Snake Plisken I meant the republic fleet that was used in TCW. Partly brand new Venator class ships immediantly scrapped by the Empire.

I also assume they solved the insane manpower requirements.

@@TheNynax I think the New Republic tried rebranding them as 'Star Defender' but it never caught on. That said, the New Republic Nebula and Endurance Class Star Defender/Destroyer are two of the most BEAUTIFUL Star Wars capitol ships I've seen.

Me too

@@jakebeetle5957 me three

I've come to make an announcement!

Don't forget Mass destruction weapons

@@kraker0279that too brother

*THE FORCE:* "Tempting fate again, Jimmy Bois?"

Yet none can stand against the might of the God Emperor and his most holy angels of death!

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Xeelee Sequence: "Did someone mentioned *DEATH?"*

Not really, it was designed for rule through terror. It's generally thought that a Venator would be deadlier in a one vs one fight by letting their starfighters cripple the ISD's with the Venators finishing them off

@@whee38 I've never really bought that. The transition away from big carriers like the venator was due to the ineffectual ability of strikecraft at the time. Republic venators had to rely on their own guns far more then should have been necessary. The ISD is the natural end point for creating a ship capable of defeating anything that the republic or separatists could field (super ships don't really count.) Of course with the development of the revolutionary multi-role starfighter, the x-wing, the domination of big battleships ended almost as soon as it began.

@@papapalps2415 Dude you can destroy a whole Stardestoyer by hitting the bridge with a fighter. The Venator has a much much higher capacity so the ISD would be heavily damaged before even in engagement range XD

@@papapalps2415 I disagree, HMS Dreadnought wasn't a gigantic leap forward as you say - sure, it was step forward, but it was through combining already existing ideas like all big guns armament scheme, better protection and mobility, as well as dedicated fire control systems in one package. As for ISD, I agree, people like Spacedock with his "how to make ISD better", or "You can destroy it by just hitting the bridge" really annoy me, as in most cases have no idea about ships (especially warships) in general

The Katana fleet says hi. Dated as hell, still relevant.

Yeah same, and the fact that the galactic empire doesn't even use them as the "rip and tear" capital ships as they were built to be, makes me disappointed

In the Legends continuity, one is captured by a smuggler and turned into a casino ship, the Errant Venture. She's also painted bright red to stand out from the Imperial Remnant/Warlord/New Republic Star Destroyers.

In Legends the Chimaera the flagship of both admiral Thrawn & Gilad Pellaeon survived the war & served the imperial remnant for decades afterward.. So it’s a safe bet that eventually it would be made into museum ship on the Imperial Capital of Bastion.. Can’t imagine a more notable ship for future imperials to fill them full of patriotism..

Most continued to serve for decades, in Legends its service lasted more than 60 years. The Imperial Star Destroyer was perhaps the most successful design in Star Wars history. There are some ships that survived a millennium such as the Invincible-class Dreadnought but only because of a complete disinterest in military advancement with almost no new designs being adopted and the almost total dissolution of a centralized military. The ISD survived as an active war vessel to be refit and brought up to standard through continuous conflict and combat. The ISD design was still used, though largely replaced by then, during the Sith-Imperial War and Second Imperial Civil War, over 150 years after the Battle of Yavin. It is almost certain several ISDs remained as museum pieces for the Fel Empire's reverence, symbols that were kept in the home fleet over Bastion, such as the Executrix, the first ISD developed with its first captain being Moff Tarkin, the earlier mentioned Chimaera, a flagship that had been captained by three different heads of the Imperial state and involved in more significant battles than perhaps any individual ship in Star Wars history, and likely there would be others though I'm not thinking of any surviving ones right now.

@@pubcle What about the Dreadnaught-Class cruisers? I belive they were still being used 90 years after they were introduced.

@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Yes, it was still being used long after its introduction, and it was a highly successful design, but not as much as the Imperial Star Destroyer. Its mainline service and production lasted at least 60 years but the overall extended use goes into the 150+ years of service.

@@michaelandreipalon359 both, both is good.

@@leonardusrakapradayan2253 pretty much any superweapons in the series.

Stonehenge!

Gründer industries!

why it was not perfect? As far as I see it was, of course the isd is a capital ship and cannot operate without tie fighters, interceptors, frigates and etc. but so do all other capital ships, this is why its a capital ships.

An imperial star destroyer is made out of 10.000 technical flaws, who just wait to make themself known. (Booster terric, spectre of the past, just in good english)

It was too big. It had as many weapon platforms as a venator, a ship x10 smaller.

@@haha-lj5sq Lol no. I dont see a Venator with Eight Octuple Barbette Very Heavy Turbolaser batteries.

And Imperial Tarkin doctrin is old . imperial class Star destroyer is too logistic heavy

A lot of books both in legends and canon potray them properly.

I suspect that was on purpose: not for the sake of the real-life audience, but from an in-universe perspective. A uniform by design is meant to encourage conformity and group mentality; the less human that uniform makes the wearer appear, the more they disconnect themselves from their identity when wearing it. This is especially true of any design that conceals the face; at that point the person behind the mask can dissociate themselves completely from not just their sense of self, but the limits of their conscience that come with it, making them capable of acts of terrible violence and inhumanity that they might have questioned or resisted otherwise. I think it's exactly the sort of thing the Empire would do to its own troops.

One part of me agrees with you and another likes the simplicity of having 2 dimensional 'bad guys'.

Disney hates stormtroopers, they hate everything imperial. Dont expect any Imperials being more than stupid ass douches existing only for getting their asses kicked by the "good guys"

Bullet Magnets.... Sry, Blaster , er ... Um. Yea, Bullet Magnets, Lol

My thoughts exactly

Lmfao that’s pretty cool tbh

It was Booster Terrik who bought the Star Destroyer, not Lando.

As far as I know he did not rly buy it. The star destroyer surrendered to him

Yes I agree so sick of those rebel terrorists keep getting billion to one longshot victories like taking out 2 ISDs with a space dingy

Hopefully with the addition of a live action Grand Admiral Thrawn and with Jon Faveru directing we'll get just that. I'm on book two of the Thrawn book trilogy and it's amazing. He is incredibly competent at his job and is single handily beating the new republic with just a handful of star destroyers. Also using information gathering, well planned battle strategy, and tactically placed agents. He's somehow better at using the rebellion's tactics against the empire and now using them against the new republic.

The Star Wars: Squadrons campaign is probably the closest thing to that.

@@spiffygonzales5160 yeesh get over yourself spiffy. Where did all that come from? Tell us how you really feel about living on the high road. What's wrong with having hope? And just so you can shove your opinion and assumptions up between your two brain cells I didn't go see last jedi or rise of Skywalker. Used free trials of Disney plus to watch mandalorian for free.

I mean, they were pretty good in Rogue One.

Same with the Imperial Military. The old EU had the Empire fall in such a smart way, it fracturing the the New Republic slowing picking off Warlords, allying with other Warlords, etc... instead of the Empire suddenly being beaten in a stand up fight a year after Endor...

Militarily and tactically speaking, that makes sense. Why scrap perfectly good warships? Even the Empire put a few Republic- era Venerators to work in the early years as we saw at the end of Revenge of the Sith.

Y'all don't see how the scrapping and derelict Imp navy and military reflects the real world situation post ww2. The huge upkeep could not be maintained so they got scrapped. Asks where the mothball fleet ended up during the 50s and 60s... how many of the "great ships" and lesser extent other materials besides the 50 cal, m1911, and smaller munitions were carried over from the major conflicts? Imp stars weren't 'Disney-fied' ... they were 'Realitied'.. it's highly unlikely that they would've continued to serve effectively beyond the end of Jakku. It's like giving Nam Era fighting troops a Warspite type dreadnought instead of a missile cruiser.

Same af, that uniform, the ship design, that bridge.

@@thehammer4607 the order, the prosperity, the Justice... Yeah mine too.

@@user-sz2yi6hj2l It is clear from an out-of-universe perspective that Imperial justice was a lie. They enslaved species simply for not being human, murdered billions of innocents, and in the end tried to destroy the galaxy because they couldn't take it with them.

Sadly, he has significantly slowed down his own channel, concentrating on his original universe. Good for him, sad for us followers of his channel, who cannot enjoy the content for which we originally followed him. He does the odd video now and then, but at a much reduced pace. Hopefully Arsenal can supply the demand for this type of content and fulfill the promise that SpaceDock tried, but never delivered.

@@Keemperor40K how did spacedock fail in your opinion ?

@@thatguy3222 failure to deliver intended content. If you followed SpaceDock, you will note that he had plans similar to Arsenal and Profiles, but outside of the first episode and perhaps a few others, he never continued that series. As his attention was diverted to his own project, he could not continue his SpaceDock channel with regularity and so it's video releases are few and far between. Recently he did do a few episodes in short order, the Delta Flyer and one more in a short time frame, but his primary focus is on his own upcoming series as it should be. Again, not criticizing SpaceDock for his change in priorities, just pointing out that due to this, other initiatives had to necessarily fall by the wayside.

@@Keemperor40K oh ok thank you thought you were criticizing yeah but what you say is true and I agree hopefully arsenal can as you put fill in the gap being left behind

@@thatguy3222 I'm curious, what do you guys mean by "Arsenal"?

Yeah, it needs better fighters and better AA. A warship with that much surface area should be bristling with guns of every size to make even the thought of resistance die in its infancy.

@@Lennis01 I think it's relatively light AA cover is due to it being part of a unit of other ships. They all cover each other. *Fun fact* when you crunch the basic numbers of the respective ships. An ISD could take on a whole Federation task force and expect to win. Or at the very least come to a draw. Some friends and I were doing this again for fun.

Probably compare both

legends videos have "legends" in the title

@@TemplinInstitute This is big brain time

@@AwesomeSheep48 fancy seeing you here! (Dr Theo be me.)

@@TemplinInstitute but then shouldn't the new canon videos have "new canon" in the title

for the Republic!

For the separatists! (Runs away quickly)

@@LAV-III ISB open up!

The Klingon Empire has more honor than your imperial navy!

@@josipbroztito6763 your species is uncapable of ruling itself

*Looks at the Imperial Remnant in LEGENDS* Yeah...all that glory is for something alright.

Technically they were different factions.

@@AAhmou true but also technically everything that happens in those 3 movies is insane stupid nonsense so why bother being specific

@@sammywhite5127 Because it's still lore and those movies have people who like them, one of those people being me lol. Also, Star Wars has always been full of "insane nonsense" but I understand where you're coming from.

@@AAhmou True, true.

@@owenparris7490 I mean it's fine to like them I'm just saying that they are shit, it's ok to like things that are shit but it's important to recognise that they are shit, I absolutely love "The Room" but I recognise that it's fucking terrible, but what I was getting at was why should Templin bother to get the details right if the people making the movie didn't bother to make them makes sense, also Star wars has not been full of "insane nonsense" before the sequels what Star wars had before the sequels was "fantasy elements"which was perfectly fine because Star wars is a fantasy set in space not a sci-fi whereas what the sequels have is a complete and total breakdown of any form of internal or external logic or consistency in every single aspect of the films, if you think about anything in the sequels for even a second the entire thing crumbles to dust, nothing makes sense

Imagine that and remember the Death Star was larger with more people. That's the equivalent of snuffing out a large economic center in a flash.

@@TheKingDain the Death Star could have multiple countries of people, I hope Luke didn't think too much about the amount of people he silenced at once!

@@suddenshotty the scene at the cockpit from the Mandalorian where a former Death Star crewmember confronts Cara Dune is on point.

@@papapalps2415 not exactly sure where did you get the raging hard on idea from, since if anything, my hard on is for the ISD. But yeah, imo the Venator and Lucrehulk embrace the role of a carrier far better (even though the turbo laser batteries on the Venator are as silly as on the ISD), while the munificent works well as a long range gunship. I do have a soft spot for the providence but it reminds me of an 18th century ship of the line rather than a good scifi design. However its small profile is rather good to see on a capital ship. The main issue with the ISD is that it needs to be too many scifi things at once while being more or less inspired by 20th century naval ships. Like the bridge for example. Why on earth does it need such a huge glaring weak point? At least the Resurgent managed to make to design more streamlined. As the video eluded to several times, the confrontations that the ISD was supposedly designed for rarely happened, which means that more often than not it found itself handicapped in the hit and run fighter engagements because even though the fighter complement was kinda high enough, the hanger design meant that they launched only a few at a time, or needed to way a bit to launch enough fighters. I'm not saying that prequel ships are perfect (far from it) but it seems at least to me that the role they were designed for is fulfilled well

@@darthcalanil5333 when terrorists have plot armour, their enemies are always dumb and impotent at everything they do... Hell, even believing that terrorists were gaining more support in later movies and moving in starfighters en-masse, Galactic Empire introduced ISD-2 which had ALL Laser(Anti-fighter) cannons removed. Genius move, Lucas/s.

@Reploid REVO Space mom left us

@Reploid REVO will she ever comeback i miss her