Legal Consent has come a very long way from when this originally aired. I agree, it's despicable but back then and even still today, rich and entitled people are often the worst humanoid-like (cuz they really aren't human and I think if aliens are actually out there they don't want to be associated with them either) to strut this earth.

like how can he say that and think that makes it better??

Like I feel like asking for volunteers probably wouldn't be that hard and would be 10,000× less 1) illegal and 2) morally bankrupt than medically assaulting disabled women who have no ability to consent.

Yeah, its like she has no say with her body.

@@SjofnBM1989 With his money the volunteers would do it. People would go to the extremes measure of being paid a big fee. My guess he wasn't planning to provide any money to the women or their families for this.

​@@BlackCatFilmProductionsshe doesn't, probably never will again. Being unconscious most likely till the day you die means you cant make choices. So someone will have to make the choices for them. All you can do is hope that the law gives the power over your body to the right people.

So so many disgustingly

A man in Ohio was widely praised for his devoted care of his comatose wife...how he began working from home in order to care for her exclusively. People didn't even blink when he refused the help of female family members in bathing her. But maybe they should have realized how isolated the unconscious woman actually was. Only when the man's 12 year old told others about her mom's pregnancy...and about her Dad's plea for her(yes, the kid)to pretend that the child was hers...did anyone even begin to ask questions. Never mind what that would have done to the kid's life. And never mind how dad was going to get around the exam issue (plus the kid was a virgin, an issue even if dad was claiming miraculous conception). The man simply didn't want the "shame" of what he had actually done, preferring instead to involve yet another innocent... despicable.

​@@teslagirl1Oh god. New relationship fear unlocked.

A huge number. Often at the hands of male nurses. And they get very short sentences.

@@teslagirl1 Something was fishy from the get go. I can only speak of my State and my personal situation. But, it is rare that a comatose person is cared for at home to begin with. When it became necessary to place my Mother on Hospice, it was discussed if she would come home or go to a care facility. Like a comatose person she required round the clock care. As just myself, I could not physically, or to be honest mentally, do it. Plus all the logistics of medical equipment. Especially is the person is on a breathing machine. Before my Mom could even be considered to come home, the situation would require evaluation and visits from Hospice, which was a team of three main people and intermittent CNAs. But, they would only be there for short visits to do something specific. An hour or two every few days would be the only help I got. Anything more would be self paid. Just like for the care facility. So the husband turning down help is weird. His working from home and getting a full night's sleep would be nearly impossible on his own. Regardless, my heart went out to that poor woman and her daughter. What a wretched person the husband was. I hope justice was found for her. Thank you for sharing the story.

Oaths aren’t a thing in real life honey. Contracts? Laws? Yes, Oaths? No.

Forced abortion is absolutely leaving her worse.

You think there were only 2?

Not to mention some cases of coma turned out to be misdiagnosed for lock-in syndrome. Those women would be aware that they were raped/inseminated and were pregnant, but unable to defend themselves in any way.

Wny would copaganda want to inform about our rights?

@@Matisaro Why do you need to be informed about your rights? Don't you know them?

It's a show

TV show

​@@yanina.korolko no the average person doesn't.

They do, it's called the Hippocratic Oath.

Unfortunately, there have been real life cases when the doctor/nurse violated the Hypocratic Oath and committed heinous acts against the patients and their families and friends. All just so they can keep evidence against themselves away from the authorities and go to jail.

need to have and are needed to have doesn’t mean the same thing.

These guys put it well. The oath exists, but not every doctor follows it as well as they should. Or have some interpretation of it that undermines and corrupts the oath.

I do not TRUST DOCTORS ANYMORE!!! THEY WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT GANGSTERS

There's the additional ethical problem of him wanting a child only as a means of improving his own health. So, even if women were willing to help him, any doctor who helped him would be at least a little unethical. With him having custody of the baby, I would hope there would be someone who raises a red flag and an ethics board would review any procedures involving a child being a donor for a legal guardian.

Are you referring to locked in syndrome where they are able to know their surroundings and feel everything but can't do anything so basically a coma but you are conscious the whole time.

@@mikebuncak1271 yes

@@PandoraBear357 yeah. Donor children phenomenon is crazy. Have you seen that movie with Cameron Diaz where the daughter sues her mother because she was born solely to heal her sister?

@@jazzybash1 The movie is My sister's keeper. I believe.

And now it has been revealed that pelvic exams are performed WITHOUT CONSENT during surgeries!!! And med students think they have 'the right because it is their education '!!! Sick all around. Time for the medical industry to be put out of business for good. It's just legalised d*ug pushing and butchery. People need HEALTH CARE.

And then they use the "Greater good" excuse in this one. Greater good for who exactly? Not the Mother. Not the baby.

They do NOT die due to medical negligence. They die due to lack of available care, and money.

​​@@rustythegreatandpowerfulla2676 they DO die from medical negligence. You can go fact check that, or you could just listen to women about their lived experiences.

@@rissagarrett2840 YOU have to prove it is higher than anywhere else. The simple FACT is that they don't get the care they need. MOSTLY that is because the care is not available at all. I mean really. You complain about the smaller issue, and leave out the monster one. How ridiculous.

I see you beat me to it. He gets the u-cord, they get the baby. If it were me, I would add he needs to set up a $ 10 Million trust fund for the baby, to get when he or she turns 21.

Not sure the guy would wait or could wait 9 more months for the umbilical cord. It would then take awhile to obtain those stem cells, ensure they matched and then the treatment.

@@ursaltydog He sued for custody. Was the idea to get custody and abort the baby so he can get the U-cord?

@@ursaltydog but gaining custody of the child doesn't allow him to access the baby's cord before birth? let alone force birth/force abortion?

@@boredlawyer3382 now here's another question: you get custody of the child. But do you get the cord too? That cord is half the property of the mother. And if the mother is under a POA with her parents as she is no longer competent to care for herself, then it becomes the parent's choice. An umbilical cord is what connects the child to the mother so it could be argued that it is shared property. Also do babies even have rights over property? Or is an umbilical cord even property? This gets very weird very fast. lol!

​@@feleciawright9316good point

​ @feleciawright9316 sounds like the jist of it is he couldn't ask a consenting woman to be inseminated knowing it will be terminated. the ridiculous part is that if he needs stem cells that are a perfect genetic match, ONLY his OWN stem cells will do. getting half your DNA from one parent doesn't mean half your cells are an exact copy of your parent's cells, it means ALL of your cells are only a half-match to each parent. so that umbilical cord is useless to him, along with the fetuses themselves.

No doubt

This is indeed one of the most haunting Law & Order: SVU episodes. 💔

yes it is :(

Though you are correct, the comatose female had no will - there is a huge difference!

Womp womp, they should fought back

90% of law and order episodes are based off real life cases

try again. it happens even to dead men. stimulating the prostate to collect the "sample" for artificial insemination.

@@nesendaThere’s a reason women are preferred as morticians. We’re not even safe after life. Yes it happens to men but not nearly as often and even in those cases the perpetrators are almost always men.

Yes, but the abortion is quicker than waiting for the cord.

@@MNcitwow. That’s some messed up thinking. Abortion is no quicker than getting stems cells from all the babies being born that same day and no one had to murder anyone to do it.

@@hollybrooke322 I mean, he was impregnating comatose women without consent; I think the line to messed up thinking was already crossed. I was pointing out _his_ likely thought process. Along those same lines, I believe he needed stem cells that were partly genetically his.

So many babies are born everyday. There would be lots of cord stem cells to use.

This is true, but most hospitals just dispose of the cord afterwards. Apparently if a mother/ birth giver/ family want to donate it, they have to actively ask. Statistically around 97% of cords are destroyed by medical staff.

They also don't consider how traumatic it would be for her if she wakes up and finds out about all that, plus her mother expecting her to love her child.

@@nessyness5447 Well I'm Preet sure she'll never awake and never if she didn't the brain damage would be so severe she probably couldn't comprehend the situation. Not saying that would be certain but in the already unlikely even she did wake up then it'd be very likely she'd be super brain damaged and unable to comprehend most things. But, I understand your point. Nobody considers the woman or what she would want. They should be considering what their daughter would want to do in that situation but again this idea of a baby seems ridiculous because in reality that baby is not making it to term and even if it does the chances of it not suffering some serious effects are low. Not to mention her, but I think in these cases the grandparents dont care if she dies because in their mind the baby would be her to them. It'd be like another chance at raising their daughter. Because honestly they dont care about the baby either it's the idea of it being a part of their daughter living on...that the baby essentially replaces their daughter. When I say they I mean the mother and that is what she'd do because the episode makes it clear she just hasn't accepted her daughter is gone. Recently a woman came out of years long coma it was nearly 10 ten years. Her mother kept her on life support in the slim hope she'd wake up. She did but was brain damaged she needs care for life and can not comprehend most things. The mother did it for her selfish desire to hold her daughter and look after her. The mother doesnt mind but she fails to think of the daughters life after she dies, the woman will be put into a facility with nobody who sees her because the mother was a single mother and by the time she dies nobody will be left to look after and visit her brain damaged daughter. It's really sad but people need to seriously consider the wants and wishes of the person in the coma. They need to look past their own desires and realistically see the cost vs. benefit if that loved one ever woke up. Quality of life is important to consider and I'm not saying brain damaged people cant have quality of life but is that what the person would want? I know almost everyone around me would rather be dead than be put in some facility or home if they woke up brian dead. It's not everyone's opinion but I think a vast majority of people would side with that.

The greater good Stop that!

“The road to hell is paved with the good intentions”

Also the camera focuses too hard on him

@@marianabobadilla1872😂😂

😅😂

Which one though, there's 2 gentlemen

Ya,poor Briar Rose woke up from that sleep and found herself pregnant;I believe with twin boys.

@@natashajagadhish1887 I used a certain word which starts with a P for the male eggplant... and the word of four letters that starts with an R... and my reply to you was promptly erased!!! Briar Rose … The name was used in several gruesome fairytales. Very male chauvinistic indeed.

In the Grimm version "Dornröschen" the rose bushes kept everyone out for 100 years, people died in the rose bushes trying to get to the castle but no one got to her until the 100 years were up, the prince walked right up to the castle, the roses parted for him with flowers instead of thorns, he kissed her and she and the entire castle woke up and resumed as if nothing had happened, she marries the prince. In an earlier french version of the tale she knew and loved the father of her child, he was sent away to prove himself when she fell into her slumber from a magic piece of flax, he came back, found her sleeping, raped her, left a ring, she gave birth, the child sucked out the flax from her finger causing her to wake up, she recognised the ring, found him and married him. The 2 stories don't have a lot in common, the fact that she falls into a magical sleep and the fact that this is caused by her spinning although the brothers Grimm and whoever brought them the story seemed to have had a really poor understanding of spinning and spindles, the old french version has her get a splinter from the fibre, while the Grimm version has her poking herself on a blunt object.

@@l.c.8475 oh dear, that is a much later version of the true grim fairytale

@@yanina.korolko the 17th century italian version where she gets woken up by the twins she gave birth to after being impregnated by a stanger comes between the story from the 14th century where she knew the father and the 19th century brothers Grimm version where the rose bushes protected her. The 17th century version is the oldest version the Grimm brothers could find at the time and they were insired by the auther to create their own fairytale collection, but the story goes back further and it wasn't always as dark as the 17th century version.

No

Realistically. Money talks, bullshit walks. He can afford the best team of lawyers money can buy. So yes he stands a damned good chance.

@@maiqtheliar789 Just look at OJ Simpsons. Police and a small number of news people in LA knew he was a Wife Beater. When Nicole and Ron where murder OJ was the Sole suspect despite it being announced that he wasn't one. He assembled his dream team, coupled with both Racial Tension, the Rodney King Vertic, and a completely bungled investigation, Kokorin made up a terrific line of bullshit and a Black Man got a White Man's Justice.

If they’re Republican

I mean have you seen the actual situation in some states? R*pist are literally being allowed to apply for custody and visitation rights. Even when the victim is underage.

That's a complicated question. On one hand, he is technically the biological father and has the resources to care for a child. On the other hand, he also has a debilitating disease and is unable to care for himself, shows no actual regard for the child, and impregnated the mother against her will. The grandparents are stable, loving figures that have the kid's best interests at heart in addition to the resources to provide for the child, plus the kid will have two parental figures instead of one. The judge will have to weigh the factors against each other. I doubt he'd win full custody, but he probably would be granted parental rights.

I do

So much time has passed and there's been so many changes. I don't know where Stabler would even fit.

No his time is up. Still a Detective who can’t control his temper but now he’s bald

Yup. There's even an old blog post that touches on this if you haven't already read it,it's called The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion (or My Daughter's Abortion Is The Only Moral Abortion, in this case) . It's about the stories of abortion clinic workers who have had to perform abortions on the same anti-abortion people who spend all day before and after the procedure outside the clinic calling them baby murderers who are going to Hell. One dr even refused to treat a woman who usually protested at her clinic because, as she pointed out,why would she help someone who thought she was a murderer?

Abortion isn't a sin, babies are trash

It's a freaking tv show! It makes good drama. You have no idea what people do in real life.

In that case, you have to make the hard choice to stick to your values. And adoption is always an option.

It's called hypocrisy, they're anti abortion UNTIL it's them or any of their family members who are pregnant

Womp womp babies are trash

Well, he's partly there. He's a pig.

Not to mention this is a complete perversion of the science. They can get stem cells from him. They don't need to create an entire life to get stem cells. This is just stupid. This is the worst pseudoscience. Mind you, what could you expect from a show Who thinks the hymen shows people are a virgin?

Spock killed himself to make that sacrifice. The female doctor was not willing to use her own uterus for the all important experiment. The rich guy and the male doctor would not as their kids friends or loved ones to do it but they were all willing to sneakily assault Cima victims. No. It is just wrong. You can kill yourself for the greater good but if you kill someone else that is murder.

You sounded so reasonable right up until you blamed women’s “poor choices” for unwanted or unsustainable pregnancies.

The doctor went only to the father knowing he could convince him to sign off.

He never explained the point of "experimental" is that he didn't explain to them what it included. Even so you can't forcibly impregnate and then abort a patient repeatedly for experiments. Now getting the dad to sign off is legal since he did give permission to terminate.

Normally experimental procedures involve letting students learn to do certain things, controversially pelvic exams. But usually they inform whoever is involved before or after. His plan to get her pregnant and abort it secretly hit a snag because the parents would have a say in the outcome of a pregnancy since it’s their daughter, so doctor tried to rush consent for termination since he got found out. It’s lying by omission and coercion.

@@Ashbrash1998 I know it is good writing, but it is ironic the doctors wanted to terminate asap as the pregnancy was a serious health risk. And now are on board with her having the child to get the cord blood. Talk about having it both ways.

The paperwork people sign for comatose patients sometimes includes pre-authorization for experimental procedures done with the intent of treating the patient. The harvesting of organs, tissues, or blood from a comatose patient for the purpose of conducting an experiment on a completely different patient don't fall under those guidelines.

And there are women who would have willingly signed up for it because some people genuinely believe in stem cell research. I'm as much of a believer in scientific advancement as the next guy, *especially* when it comes to medicine, but there was a better, completely legal way to go about this that they chose not to use for stupid reasons. Even filing for custody is asinine, considering all he wants is the u-cord, and he could easily cut a deal for it in exchange for giving the grandparents the kid and maybe a trust fund.

No it is just wrong. If it was so important the female doctor would have carried the babies. This work could never be published there for could not be used. He could have paid a women he intentionally picked vulnerable people. This is the same thinking that leads to organ harvesting from the poor, prisoners and neuro divergent. It is wrong full stop.

​@@judaihyugawell said.

No. Using people's bodies without their consent is slavery. It is never right.

No

He could've found a surrogate who shared the same determination as him. It doesn't matter if she was brain dead, they still had no right to use her like this, and behind the parents' back no less.

@@OneGaurdian The parents signed off that in her state she could be used for medical research

What they should have done is found a willing, consenting surrogate