Improved Super Juice

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11 ай бұрын

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Citrus juice is a key component of many cocktails and other beverages, but the price of citrus fruit like lemons and limes can be eye-watering at times, depending on the state of the world. Super Juice is a method that multiplies the volume of juice extracted from a lemon or lime by 5 times without changing the flavour. So 3 to 4 limes can make a pint (480 mL) of Super Juice that tastes effectively the same.
However, we can do better with a little chemistry and tweaking.
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For reference do check out ‪@KevinKos‬ (Cocktail Time) video on Super Juice: • How to Get 8x as Much ...
1:07 Why does super juice work?
2:28 How to Improve Super Juice with Essential Oils
7:56 How to improve the acidity
11:07 Building the Recipe
16:53 Making a Daiquiri with the Super Juice
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@bencox8870 11 ай бұрын

I've been making it based on Kevin's recipe. It works great, but it's wonderful and time saving to know I don't have to wait up to two hours for the oleo saccharum method any more. Just blend it for a minute and you're done! Hooray! As for the filtering, I've been using three kitchen wire mesh strainers. The first coarse strainer gets the big stuff, the second gets the middle, and the third fine mesh strainer gets the rest. I've been using it in my cola formulations and it's clear as a bell.

@grammar_antifa 11 ай бұрын

I've been making basic superjuices for quite a while now, and they consistently last longer than 2 weeks for me. I've had them last up to like 2 months without spoilage or even much degradation in flavor. And, of course, you can freeze excess if you make a large batch rather than trying to keep it all in the fridge.

@robertpettigrew9042 11 ай бұрын

Do you use Kevin's recipe? I do and mine never lasts that long.

@grammar_antifa 11 ай бұрын

@@robertpettigrew9042 Yeah, I always use his calculators 'cause I can never remember the ratio.

@drsrwise 11 ай бұрын

@@robertpettigrew9042I don't know about the previous commenter, but I do use Kevin's recipe and I keep it until it's gone, sometimes months. It's really fine. That being said, I am going to try it with these additions now!

@Samthelegend 11 ай бұрын

Mine last about 4 weeks I make about 1lires of each and use them in cocktails and salads and cooking

@PatrickJaszewski 10 ай бұрын

@@drsrwiseagreed! Mine lasts over a month or two with Kevin's recipe

@djweso 11 ай бұрын

I love when a new video drops right as I'm thinking about the same subject! I can't wait to try this.

@ibrahimkrhan8599 11 ай бұрын

I'm truly amazed by the evolution of science in mixology. From early attempts at replicating lime juice with oil and acid, to Dave Arnold's introduction of acid adjustment, and then Nick enhancing it with the 'Super Juice' concept. Kevin Kos further popularized it with his unique touch. Now, with your deep scientific insights, we have the 'Ultra Super Juice'. I've enjoyed experimenting with acid-adjusted juices, and I'm thrilled to hear that potassium citrate might resolve the harsh acidity issue. I am very excited to try this improved version! Thank you!

@VeryGoodDrinks 11 ай бұрын

Been working on my own improved recipe for some time and this is pretty rad! A lot of the same improvements I’ve been working on and then some!

@stephanfstockwell 11 ай бұрын

Fantastic video. I'm kicking myself for the fact I have watched all of your other videos, and didn't come to the conclusions here. Pump😉 up the flavor. This is exactly why I subscribe to your patreon.

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

@user-oq1ku4wq7s 11 ай бұрын

Nice to see you again...

@DeraConsumables 11 ай бұрын

Nice to see again❤

@JS-ct5jn 11 ай бұрын

I personally think that super juice tastes brighter and more distinctly like lime or lemon than the freshly squeezed version in the cocktail. It is definitely more repeatable and consistent with the varied quality of produce available throughout the year.

@saintmotel7813 10 ай бұрын

Never been interested in cocktails whatsoever but this is very interesting and well explained

@Artofdrink 10 ай бұрын

Thanks

@MartinDoudoroffLLC 11 ай бұрын

Excellent!

@pedrotamara100 10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for all the information you are sharing ,it's really helped to improve the service ,quality etc. Please can you share the super juice calculator with all the ingredients that you use to improve it?

@mohdabrar2839 11 ай бұрын

thanks

@TheAndy25026 11 ай бұрын

Wealth of knowledge

@roebucksruin 11 ай бұрын

It's cool to see your take. We played around with a grapefruit lime super juice. The grapefruit added a Sichuan peppercorn-like numbing quality.

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Thanks and an interesting observation about the grapefruit.

@grilljones 11 ай бұрын

I have noticed this with candied grapefruit as well. I am curious why. Higher limonene concentration?

@roebucksruin 11 ай бұрын

@@grilljones I haven't run any tests personally, but I doubt it. My guess is a high concentration of Naringin, which is the major bittering agent in grapefruit and also found in Zanthoxylum bungeanum or szechuan peppercorns. There's a pretty cool study online about the positive neurological effects and potential neurological "antiaging" of Naringin online, if you're looking for a dope read.

@kasheenchiu5057 10 ай бұрын

Hi, I'm from Sichuan, really like your idea, would you like to share your recipe？😀

@roebucksruin 10 ай бұрын

@@kasheenchiu5057It's not really a recipe. Just use grapefruit peels in an oleo saccharum or oleo citrate. I do about 50-60g sugar per peel in my oleo.

@subzilow 11 ай бұрын

what are the key improvements? feel free to add or do comment if there's any errors. 1) don't need to wait for the oleo citrate/saccharums. just put all in the blender. saves time. 2) use of potassium citrates. increases the acidity and flavour. 3) use of essential oils. increases the aroma. 4) use of terpenes. increases the aroma. 5) use of vacuum pump filter. saves time.

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

1. Correct, just get as much white pith off the peel as possible. 2. Citrate salts increase the pH slightly, taking the sharp edge off the acidity, giving a slightly smoother flavour. Sodium citrate does this better than potassium, but they both work. And both enhance flavour like salt, but not as intense. 3. Correct 4. Correct 5. Correct, use the 20-micron filters and pre-filter with a fine mesh strainer

@subzilow 11 ай бұрын

@@Artofdrink by the way, I rewatched Kevin's grapefruit super juice. He mentioned someone tried both blending with oleo citrate and just blending everything. And if you skip r citrate step, the outcome would be one dimensional and flat. Perhaps just using theory of physics, why would the oleo citrate step be unnecessary and how would missing the oleo citrate step might cause it to be one dimensional and flat?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

@@subzilow I can't think of a reason why making oleo citrate would add a dimension. Scientifically, the oleo citrate is just Le Chatelier's principle with the action of the dry acids on the extraction of the oil. And then mix the oil/acid mixture with water to create an emulsion. Scientifically, there isn't a reason for the oleo citrate. Sometimes we taste what we want to taste, and oleo citrate may look cool to people when reading a menu.

@vincentthuaud8664 9 ай бұрын

I cannot explain why it tastes better but it does... Unfortunately for me as we have to produce quite big amounts (around 40L + each week) Maybe I should conduct a blind tasting with our sommeliers and bartenders and see what comes out of there. My theory is that the "oleo" part of the process probably brings out a slightly more bitter taste (which is not always unpleasant) during the process as we can see the edges of the lime peel change colour and oxidize.... Anyways thanks for the tips on the upgrade, will try some of your ideas and come to a new version for ourselves! By the way here we clarify the superjuice with the spinzall, I was wondering do you know if the essential oils and turpenes could be just added at the end or you really need the emulsion part at the start in order for everything to merge together?@@Artofdrink

@Artofdrink 9 ай бұрын

@@vincentthuaud8664 adding oils and terpenes directly to the super-juice will just result in them floating on top as oil and water do not mix. You really need to get them emulsified for them to show their flavour.

@jongiesy5027 11 ай бұрын

Wow can’t wait to try this! Would one be able to use Kevin’s specs and just use the additions of the oils and potassium citrate?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Yes you can, you can adjust the recipe any way you want and Kevin's recipe is solid, but add the extra ingredients to suit your tastes.

@renatolimatonini2259 11 ай бұрын

Tks for the great content! I really love kevins recipe for lemon super juice. With lime, tho, I always thought that it was a little bit harsher than fresh lime juice, and I see that your recipe uses citric and malic acid in a 5:1 ratio, instead of the 2:1 found in kevins. That change alone should theoretically make the juice more rounded, right? On a side note, is there a chart table with acid contents for more citrus fruits? I would love to make a mandarin lime super juice, but havent found any source on the webz for its acids ratio.

@stockicide 8 ай бұрын

I found a scientific paper that said that Satsuma mandarins contain from 8.53 to 13.18 grams per liter of citric acid and 447.76 to 902.48 milligrams per liter of malic acid.

@exohumer3486 29 күн бұрын

Hi Darcy, I really enjoy your videos. Concerning shelf-stable version ... would it last longer if I would add sodium benzoate and/or potassium sorbate ? And if doing so, would it change the taste profile ? Thanks in advance !

@brianjsaville 11 ай бұрын

I usually make six limes worth of super juice. This gives me about 36-40oz. I bottle it in 4oz bottles and freeze them. Then take them out as I need them. This basically gives me enough lime juice for about 2-3 months. My palate isn't the best, but I notice no taste issue with the frozen bottles.

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Freezing it is a basic preservation technique so the taste should be stable.

@SandyWalsh 11 ай бұрын

Excellent! Kevin's calculator is really handy. Do you have something equivalent?

@md.rezwanulhaque840 11 ай бұрын

After freezing buttermilk solid and liquid seperate. How can i prevent seperation and solid particles are larger in size. Please give me a suggestions I really need this

@LeBlancKnives 11 ай бұрын

I picked up some potassium sorbate as a preservative for my syrups. Would I be able to substitute this for the potassium citrate? Great video! First time viewer and really enjoyed the content.

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the content. Potassium sorbate is not a good substitute for potassium citrate, you typically want the citrate salt for taste reasons and potassium sorbate has limits in food and beverages. Cheers

@Joshcocktails 7 ай бұрын

How long is the shelf life of a syrup if you add potassium sorbate? Can I use it also in citrus to make it shelf stabled juice?

@zaynmalice7106 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for making this video, but it raises lots of questions. You give really quite specific dosages for the ingredients, but then eyeball your fresh lime juice and sugar, which can vary quite wildly, as you acknowledge, depending on country of origin etc. If the resultant flavour balance is so delicate that you can detect milligram - gram per-litre differences, surely this is the last thing you'd want to do? You seem to say precision is really important one moment and immediately become quite lenient on it the moment following. Next, I believed the saccharum step to be quite important in oil extraction, I think both Kos and Arnold are advocates of this if I'm not mistaken. Isn't simply blending the peels is likely to leave particulates still containing tasty oil in your filter, opposed to letting the sugar and acids 'eat' them first? If this is the case, and it's a time-effectiveness vs. miniscule flavour difference argument, why bother with terpenes, potassium, and extracts on top? I propose a compromise in which you blend the peels with sugar and acids and let them sit to extract, though for less time than a traditional saccharum, given you will have dramatically increased the surface area of the peels for extraction. Finally and in the same vein as the previous, when adding terpenes, essential oils etc. shouldn't this be done post-filtration, assuming your dosages for proper dissolution/emulsification are accurate? In fact, if you are opting to skip the saccharum/citrate step, why add anything to the peels except water prior to filtration?

@Artofdrink 8 ай бұрын

Don't overthink it. You can only roughly estimate the acidity of fresh citrus juice unless to you test each fruit analytically. That's why you just eyeball it. We can't taste acid variations in milligrams; 1 gram equals 1000 milligrams, and a gram makes a difference, not a milligram. Acid and sugar are not a solvent, so it doesn't "extract" the same way water or alcohol would. What it does is pull liquid from the citrus peel cells (osmosis, equilibrium, etc.), but a blender obliterates the cells, negating the need for acid/sugar. As a chemist with 15 years of R&D experience, I stand by my methods.

@jsteele07189 4 ай бұрын

does anyone know which episode shows the filter funnel in action?

@Kevlar830 11 ай бұрын

Is there a rule of thumb or a way to know the acidic content of any citrus (website ?) ? So far, I've noted the recipe from Kevin's channel so I can make lemon, lime, orange, grapefruit and kumquat super juices. But I was wondering if and how I could find out how much acid and what kind of acids I would need to make super juices from for example blood orange, yuzu, pomelo, tangerine,.. ?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

If you check out this research paper, look at Table one and it will give you the acid levels of natural citrus fruits and many commercial products. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637791

@oldmanfigs Ай бұрын

Does using a masticating juicer change things for this process?

@AustinScienceFood 11 ай бұрын

Gamma-terpinene smells a lot like lemon. Thought it was super clever to use potassium citrate. Question about acid content of citrus, is there a good resource for this or do you scour Scholar? Great video!

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Thanks. Google Scholar, ScienceDirect or PubMed are my go to sources.

@cellsheet 24 күн бұрын

Could you zest the fruit instead of peeling by the way? I feel like that would give the macic/citric acid more surface volume to extract from, not to mention the outer layer being broken down from the start for oil extraction perhaps

@alchemikas555 11 ай бұрын

hey, loved the video. Just a one thought - if you do a old school way and do oleo saccharum(or ahould I say citrate) and NOT blend it, in theory, there would be less bitter pith element in the final product which is desired. For me, the bitter pith element was always the biggest downside with blending method. What are your thoughts on this?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

I take almost all of the pith off the peel before I blend it. But there is no mechanism that sugar and citrus peel is selective to non-bitter compounds, those compounds would be extracted into the sugar just like the oils.

@ThatGuyMagnum 7 ай бұрын

If you can get access to Pectinex, you can chuck your lime/lemon swathes in a solution of 1% v/v pectinex and water for 15-30 mins, then just wipe off any of the pith, as it gets broken down by the pectinex. Assuming you don't have a massive amount of pith on the peels to start with of course!

@alchemikas555 7 ай бұрын

@@ThatGuyMagnum that's an interesting thought, will try it, thank you

@hobbes969 Ай бұрын

What size filter paper do you use?

@erdnussfresser 11 ай бұрын

Hey, I'm using Lime Super Juice since Kevin's Video came out and sometimes use a single batch for like 4 weeks or in some occasions even 2 months and never had any problems with it. Altough it did not taste as intense as fresh super juice, always kept in fridge, it was fine to use in cocktails. At 8:25 you're referring to bacteria growth, is there a visible indicator to the bacteria in it or can I smell it? And what kind of bacteria are we taling about? I'm just curious, since my personal experience is that it lasts for months in the fridge, with a very little loss of taste.

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

I think many people confuse storage stability with shelf stability, the latter meaning storing the product at room temperature. Refrigerating your super juice is a preservation technique, and as you notice, it lasts longer, but if you left it out on the back bar or on table for a week, it would probably change, hence not shelf-stable.

@erdnussfresser 11 ай бұрын

@@Artofdrink Thank you for the explanation!

@alittlebitgone 7 ай бұрын

Gentle suggestion, might be nice if somewhere in the video or description you show the actual recipe, I stopped taking transcription notes in college ;)

@Artofdrink 6 ай бұрын

I do all of that over on Patreon.

@alittlebitgone 6 ай бұрын

Sneaky sneaky @@Artofdrink

@luusid 4 ай бұрын

@@Artofdrink, and this is why I refuse to subscribe and will pass on future videos.

@Artofdrink 4 ай бұрын

@@luusid thank you, if you can’t support creators you shouldn’t get the benefits

@maxmustermann6576 3 ай бұрын

I made super juice for quite a time, but i never was satisfied. There is always the feeling that there is something on my tongue, kind of a furry feeling on the tongue. Now I don’t blend the peels anymore , just let it sit in the acids for half an hour, muddle and put in water and juice for another half an hour. Strain and bottle, no more of this weird thing on the tongue feeling. Do you have the same experience or it’s just me? I would really like to know, so I appreciate your replies 😃.

@MrKegla Ай бұрын

Maybe a stupid question, but could we use a sous vide technique before blending?Like when we make an infusion?Would it improve the flavour of the citrus ? New to all of this.

@Artofdrink Ай бұрын

No, sous vide is just an extraction method, the blender will do the same thing just quicker.

@user-gr6hg1lb9x 11 ай бұрын

Loved the video.Can I replace the Potassium Citrate with sea salt or table salt for buffering?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Thanks. Table salt won't work, it needs to be a citrate salt.

@thomasprasloski6517 9 ай бұрын

@@Artofdrinkhow about sodium citrate?

@mdbbox5660 7 ай бұрын

@@thomasprasloski6517 +1 to this question. I already have sodium citrate on hand for cheese sauce.

@maghteridon5555 11 ай бұрын

How about freezing a superjuice? Does it stop oxidation? How much juice do you have after the filtration?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Freezing will slow down oxidation. After filtering, I collected about 95% of liquid.

@rorycolquhoun7840 11 ай бұрын

Quick question, are super juices also good for just regular drinking? Like just on their own?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

They are really sour, but add some sugar and water, and you'll basically get a lemonade.

@CryptoCandyy 5 ай бұрын

Can you plz make some vedios on artificial commercial juices

@JVC.22 11 ай бұрын

Is there a link for that filter funnel?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

I've listed all the equipment on my Patreon page (this post is public) www.patreon.com/posts/87554113

@colindavis5249 3 ай бұрын

Could you use a similar method for lemoncello?

@Artofdrink 3 ай бұрын

Probably

@LeshaZakharchenko 11 ай бұрын

Hi, is it possible to make super juice from finger limes?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Yes you can and the acidity for some finger limes is higher (67 g/L)but other than that the process is the same. Acidity levels found in this research paper: artofdr.ink/finger-lime

@fasoulasvasilis 3 ай бұрын

If I want to make a bigger batch, I adjust the recipe?

@Artofdrink 3 ай бұрын

Yep, it scales just fine.

@AdrenalineRProd 8 ай бұрын

Hi there, one question: what is the science behind using citric acid to extract essential oils? How does it work?

@Artofdrink 8 ай бұрын

Just Le Chatelier's Principle, the citric acid doesn't really extract and blender works just as well.

@AdrenalineRProd 8 ай бұрын

@@Artofdrink ok so jus to see if I got it right (sorry I need to understand the chemistry behind all this). If I put more acid, the system goes out of equilibrium, so to balance it out, oil is pushed out from the peel? Acid is the reagent and oil is the product? Because actually I don’t really get it. Or, is just the mechanic action of the blender that gets the oil out and the acid is there only to make it last longer? Thank you!

@Artofdrink 8 ай бұрын

@@AdrenalineRProd, there isn't any chemistry to it. David Wondrich wrote about oleo saccharum in one of his books and bartenders ran with it, because it sounded good on a menu, but did add more flavour to drinks. Oleo saccharum is a really old method used by chemists/pharmacists in the 1700s to extract oils. But as I mentioned in the video, they would have used the blender if they had blenders. There is no real benefits to extracting oils using sugar or citric acid.

@jonathanwong1500 11 ай бұрын

how many water should I add

@Izrun 10 ай бұрын

He said above that he just filled to 500ml

@LOLCoolJ 11 ай бұрын

Would something like gum arabic help emulsify the terpenes?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

Not really, I've found the oils, acids, sugar and peels seem to hold together fairly well.

@pizzaelse 11 ай бұрын

How much water do you use for this recipe?

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

As much water as needed to get to the 500 ml mark

@santhoshnetwork2965 11 ай бұрын

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@MrJhchrist 11 ай бұрын

2:08 Can we really hit the acid content of limes a bit louder? Seems like everybody thinks limes are 6% acid and so most superjuice recipes are just way more acidic than fresh juice. I think Dave Arnold said 6% and everybody on the internet just pretends like that isn't obviously way more tart than real juice.

@Artofdrink 11 ай бұрын

This research paper pegs it around 4.5% to 5% (Quantitative Assessment of Citric Acid in Lemon Juice, Lime Juice www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637791) but you can always adjust the acid levels to your taste, and malic acid is more intense, hence why I use less of it.

@Bozemanjustin 8 ай бұрын

Holy hell this guy's just going to talk and talk and talk and mention all kinds of different things . I've never seen somebody that needs to write and follow an outline more in my life

@Artofdrink 8 ай бұрын

Better video production comes with a better budget, so feel free to support the channel over on Patreon: www.patreon.com/artofdrink and with your support I'll make sure I improve.

@ThatGuyMagnum 7 ай бұрын

I usually find that a channel that throws out their points instead of having graphics and stuff tends to have a really great knowledge of the subject. Tech ingredients comes to mind also. Guess it's some odd correlation thing, but I don't really mind if they're giving such interesting knowledge to the internet for free!