What was your favorite part of the Miraculous World New York special? I'm sure by watching this video you guys already know mine.

Everybody is asking "Who is Cat Noir?" but nobody is asking "How is Cat Noir?"

I didn’t know Cat Noir needed defending. I thought everyone knew he is best boy

miraculous target audience: young children the audience it attracted: sad teenagers and adults

>People get mad at Adrien for friendzoning Marinette over Ladybug >Marinette friendzones Chat Noir practically every akuma attack for Adrien The double standard is real

Adrien acts EXACTLY like someone who’s been emotionally abused would act: he is fearful of upsetting the people in his life because upsetting his father, even over something petty and insignificant, always leads to excessively harsh consequences. He’s had little to no social interactions outside of his abusive father, and thanks to Gabriel’s cold demeanor, Adrien has been left to interpret others’ feelings on his own. But other people don’t act like Gabriel, which is how we get the situations where Adrien misreads a situation; his mind goes straight to the worst case scenario because THAT’S HOW GABRIEL WOULD ACT.

I hope Ladybug realizes how sensitive and broken Chat Noir is.....

Adrien calls Marinette a friend because, other than Chloe, she was his first friend he made at school. He really treasures their friendship. In the umbrella scene you can see how happy Adrien was to befriend Marinette. ALSO! The umbrella that Adrien gave Marinette looks exactly like the one his mother had, so if that was his mother’s umbrella that he gave Marinette so freely, that would mean that he really likes her. Even if he does have feelings for Marinette, or not, he doesn’t want that to ruin one of his treasured friendships.

People just forget that he literally has no parents since his "father" is busy being a gosh dang villain

“He’s to busy laughing away while he’s terrorizing two teenagers and hording butterflies “ That’s the best description of Gabriel Agreste I’ve ever heard

I love how Nino is so patient and willing to help Adrien learn how to socialize.

Also can we just remember, THEY ARE ALL LIKE 14-15 YEARS AWAY OLD. Adrien deserves so much better 🥺

Why haven’t we seen someone in love with catnoir yet? Eh? That’s ridiculous, utterly ridiculous

He is a 14/15 year old *boy* who throughout his life has been emotionally abused by his father. Man's had a breakdown ima throw hands if someone calls himself selfish or god forbid *mANIPULATIVE* WHAT

Poor Adrien. He lost his mother and his father treats him like shit. He even has to deal with the stress of being Chat Noir. He deserves better

LITERALLY - Adrien is meant to be the main character of this story and the writers are cowards

"Gabriel belongs behind bars in jail." I couldn't agree more

Adrien is such a more deeper character then he's made out to be.

Let's be honest, adrian is probably depressed and doesn't realize it

Adrien calls marinette just a friend because of Chloe, chloe was showing flirty and loving signs towards him yet they are both still just friends. Marinette, showing similar signs makes Adrien - having very few proper and heartfelt relationships with other humans - think that she is just a friend. I am glad to see Adrien and Cats development for socializing and i really hope it continues in season4 and the shanghi special.

Defending him? He carries the entire show for me

So Adrien punishes himself for his mistake by giving up something that is extremely important to him and people interpret that as selfish? Inchresting....

"This is supposed to be a kids show." I tell myself as tears roll down my face

sad thing is, this is a super smart explanation to Cat Noir being how he is, and the creators probably didn't even notice and will find a way to f*#$ it up later

Its just now after this video hitting me that when Adrien said “No one will know that I quit. And no one will care.” That’s basically him admitting that he truly does think he’s expendable when it comes to his role as Chat Noir. Shit broke my heart. I never thought much of that line until after this breakdown of his character. Baby really needs to be told he’s loved more often. If not by his shit father, then by his friends. And Marinette as Ladybug really needs to realize that Chat is more fragile than he makes himself appear. I hope that in season four, she tells him how much she appreciates him more often.

I feel so bad for Adrien The poor guy doesn’t deserve such a cruel person as a dad

... Can we add Plagg to Adrien's friend count?

"Too busy laughing away while hes terrorizing two teenagers and hoarding butterflies" Gabriel agreste in a nutshell, you nailed it

How are we even surprised that so many fans dismiss Adrien's issues? The writers themselves do it. Either they don't realize that Adrien has severe depression and anxiety the way they wrote him or they don't care. Thus nobody adresses it. And fans won't see it either if they don't have to deal with depression or somebody who does. Let alone the actual children and young teenagers watching.

Gorilla who has almost no dialogue in the entire series and Nathalie who also does not have enough appearances have shown greater interest in Adrien's happiness and well-being than his own father

“And it doesn’t help that his social skills are kind of a mess, and bordering nonexistent.” _Reasons why Chat Noir is my spirit animal:_

I love Adrien so much as a character. Although I can’t relate to his abuse I feel for him and have so much empathy. The fact that he can be so sweet and nice to everyone while being mentally and abused by his father is heartbreaking but beautiful because he couldn’t easily be a jerk. I love him. 😭

Adrien is truly the best character in the whole show ..I'm serious

"Adrian has no flaws, he is a bad character" Shows flaws "Adrian has flaws, he is a bad person"

I have absolutely no idea how people can call Adrien giving up his miraculous selfish.. Let alone manipulative- especially after seeing everything that leads up to said moment. I'm with you on this, there's no need for the aggression towards him on that scene.

not me crying when plagg said he'd care if adrien renounced him 🥺

I just want an episode where ladybug and cat noir decide to hang out and tell each other about their life a bit, without telling their name. And then they talk about their family, and cat noir gets to his father and ladybug can help him and comfort him, and she can help adrien. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR??

Did they really called him sensitive and overreacting? It's like they don't know his freaking background! They don't understand his character and clearly don't understand empathy

You guys are saying adrien is blind for saying "shes just a friend" meanwhile you guys are saying to chat noir "hes just a side character" the irony

People need to understand that Adrien doesn’t have social skills. He just now went to school, so calling him blind and treating him like he’s only a side character sucks, because he’s such a deep character and a good one too. He’s my favorite character, not just because he’s Cat Noir. I hate that people keep saying that Cat Noir’s the better version of him. Adrien IS Cat Noir as seen especially in season 4. We shouldn’t forget this.

"Fans": ladybug goes trough way more than cat noir! Real fans: *they both go trough the same thing the same schedule the same responsibility*

What's up with cat people being abused by parental figures? Adrien, Catra, ect.

I was actually surprised with the writing and only hope that S4 gets this too

18:00 “He’s too busy laughing away as he terrorizes two teenagers and hoards butterflies” HAHAHAHAHA BEST DESCRIPTION OF HIM I’VE EVER HEARD LMAOOOO

I know people call Adrien boring, but I think that’s okay because part of Adrien’s character is that he just tries to please others, and acts accordingly. Chat Noir is his only time he can really be himself. Remember the episode Lies? Kagami wanted to draw Adrien, but every supermodel pose just wasn’t right. When Kagami told him to be himself, he made the Chat Noir pose. The episode Wishmaker showed us that all he wants is to please his father, and he lacks a personality because all he is so someone trying to please others. Adrien needs more screen time. He’s sooo much more interesting and complex than Marinette

"Im afraid that if I'll keep talking I'll end up ranting about how much I love my dumb idiot cat son" Same.

Basically, this video is once again why Adrian deserves to be main character

Adrien/Chat is my favorite character. I was genuinely shocked to enter fandom spaces and see so much hate towards him especially when Marinette can be downright mean sometimes

Correction: Chat Noir never lied. He just didn't have the time to tell Ladybug about what happened because he wanted to save Marinette and everything happened so quickly.

I know it's a kid's show but I really think Chat Noir may be dealing with depression and it's pretty obvious he has issues with self-esteem. Having constantly been abused by his father, gotten coldness from his household/Felix (except from maybe his mom), Ladybug constantly rejecting or being cold to him, it makes sense that he'd internalize one mistake. Especially since the mistake was, like, kind of killing someone and Paris getting destroyed. He genuinely thought giving up being Chat was the best thing and it broke him, seeing how upset he got when even Marinette in the following scene didn't try to convince him to stay. :( Poor child needs a hug and for the creators to stop torturing him.

I really hope in the next season chat noir actually talks about his problems to LB

Whenever I see Gabriel being abusive towards Adrien it makes me so upset. :(

Man, while watching this I noticed that whenever his friends get close or hug him, Adrien has this startled look on his face, like he isn't used to it. Which might also point to isolation and touch-starvation, and that hurts to think about. And even though it's a cliche, it might also explain why his suit is so tight. Not to mention the bell, tail/belt, and even the pinned-on ears. They provide pressure and comfort like a weighted blanket. Not only would it look wrong from a visual standpoint not to have this in his costume, but I would feel wrong physically, too.

I honestly fear for when Gabriel's identity is revealed and he is defeated that Adrien is going to be more broken than ever .

I haven’t realized how tragic Adriens story really is. While Toon was talking about his abusive relationship with his father, his need for friends, and his low self esteem, I actually started tearing up. It’s so tragic to see such a caring person at such a young age be treated the way Adrien is treated in this show. Even despite being abused, manipulated, and brought down by others (mostly his father), Adrien is still such a good person! He was manipulated into thinking that making a single mistake means he’s not good enough, and considering how harsh Ladybug can be toward him at times makes sense. Adrien just wants to be happy. That’s why he feels so hurt and saddened by Marinette whenever she makes him feel like he’s not being a good friend. He wants to keep her friendship because it’s honestly all he has left. Nino and Marinette are the only good thing in Adriens life right now (Plagg too), and Adrien doesn’t want to lose that. He’s already lost so much, and doesn’t want to feel completely alone. I feel like we always go so harsh on Adrien for saying things like, “She’s just a friend” or “No, Marinette can’t be in love with me, besides there’s Luka”, and so on. I feel he says these things because of his self esteem. As Adrien, he doesn’t feel like he’s good enough because of the way he has been treated by everybody around him. That’s why when he’s Cat Noir, he feels a little more free, because he gets to get away from the trapped life he is living as Adrien. That’s why in the New York Special, when Ladybug, his closest friend and partner tells him that she doesn’t trust him, he breaks because of the weight of the situation that has consumed him. I’m really glad the writers went in this direction, and I hope we can see more of Adriens character development in the upcoming Seasons. We all love you Adrien 💚

flirty chat noir better not leave in season 4!! he's the best part 😪

"To join this fandom is to suffer endlessly" Honestly that's so true that I cried after you said it XD

"And while I would love to rant about this abusive Barbie-Ken-doll-looking rip-off, that's not the point of this video." asjbkdfksildkjfs- when I tell you I DIED 🤣🤣🤣

everyone is forgetting it miraculous ladybug AND CHAT NOIR

As someone who has also lived in a similar emotionally abusive and socially deprived environment where every mistake is the end of the world, his actions are spot on. It took me YEARS to realize that someone helping me with something I messed up was them being helpful and not furious with me, and not understanding social queues only made that problem worse. This video 100% made me realize why Cat/Adrien is my favorite character, there’s a difference between being selfish and dramatic, and being abused and socially sheltered. Dumb dumb cat son is best son. 💛

This special In my opinion was pretty in character. Adrien hiding the truth from ladybug because he didn't want to disappoint her makes sense considering his mental abuse at the hands of his father and how he expected to be perfect. Abusive households mostly breeds liars especially in Adrien's case where telling the truth gets you punished. And ladybug's anger was justified because he betrayed her trust. And yet she in no world would ever want him to stop being chat noir. She doesn't want another partner. She wants THIS chat noir

Also the fact no one, and i mean no one, tells him anything. He was told that you can't know each other's identities, yet Ladybug actively chooses other to help and such. He was given the most destructive power without any guide on how to use it, unlike Ladybug with a reset button.

I don’t think people take into account that Marinette’s parents gladly sent her to Shanghai, no questions asked, and she considered moving to New York to pursue a fashion career (the ep centered around Cloe’s mom) with their full support. Adrien is barely allowed to leave his house. An opportunity like going on his school trip had never occurred for him and he knew that it might never occur again. Marinette often let her feelings for Adrian, her rivalries with Cloe and Lila, etc. cloud her judgment as a superhero. She made bad or petty choices based on high school drama, not a lifetime of trauma, and nobody seems to blame her for that.

I am actually crying Adrien is really a good person

“I’m really scared of disappointing this person, so I’ll lie and say I have everything under control, and that way they won’t be mad!” is so relatable for me it hurts.

This video just solidify my opinion: Adrien should've been the main character. His character is more interesting to follow.

honestly i feel like marinette's only personality and character is being obsessed with adrien, and although I get it, i just wish she had more of a background story. in the special episodes from season 1 we see how marinette fell in love with adrien in the first place, which was only in her freshman year. i want to see how she was like before knowing him. and ofc i want to see her confessing her love and all of that, but besides her wanting to marry adrien and have a hamster with him, we don't know much about any of her dreams or aspirations (i know there's fashion and art but the show doesn't really focuses on that all that much) thomas should really stop using the "it's a show for kids" excuse, and actually do something with this show

The drawing that Adrien made was adorable, but if we saw his current art..it would've looked sad or depressing. I'm not sure if its just me but drawing my feelings helps me out. Poor Adrien. I hope Ladybug notices all his problems..because rejecting him will obviously turn into hate and akumatizing. (As we saw in Chat Blanc)

Someone give this boi to a new family and get him a therapist-

This video made me realize that Adrien/chat noir has such a deep and intricate character it almost makes Marinette/ladybug’s character laughable. He seems like more of a main character than her at times, but maybe with her new guardianship we’ll see more development in seasons 4 and 5. Edit: welp, after watching the season 4 teasers that recently came out, I think it’s safe to say that Marinette will also be going through some tough baggage herself💀

adrien listens to everything his father said: 1. Chinese & Fencing 2. Modeling & photoshoots even though Gabriel can hire someone 3. Stay homeschooled and study 4. No friends over 5. Meeting and greeting guests GABRIEL ATLEAST GIVE HIME FREEDOM

I feel that character development wasn't a main focus at the beginning because this show is categorized as a kids show but now that the writers are realizing how popular it is with older audiences, it is becoming more meaningful, and they are taking the time to include growth and lessons.

As a person who's studying behavioural psychology, I saw this and understood it pretty clearly. Adrien is a complex character with a skewed way of understanding things due to abuse. I genuinely wish that he could have some episodes focused more on HIM so that it could get through thick skulls of those fans who call him selfish or oversensitive.

It makes me so mad that Chat noir is thought of as just a side kick to ladybug though the Chat and Ladybug miraculous are supposed to be equally powerful 😐 isn’t it supposed to be yin and yang

Why Nino x Adrien is superior to Marinette x Adrien: Nino actually *frickin supports him as a person-* Edit: The replies are largely trashfire ehe take it or leave it

The sidekick thing about cat noir is kinda true because in strike back (shadow moths last attack part2) the people of Paris only said ladybugs name and they didn’t say his name so that kinda proves it that they see him more as a sidekick than an actual hero

I can’t wait to see them forget about bustier and her baby 💀

I noticed that Adrien definitely got more spotlight and focus in this special- outside of Marinette’s obsession. Both Chat and Adrien got a lot more development, which I hope continues in the rest of the series.

i hate how when Ladybug makes a mistake like she did in s3 finale, everything is "fine" but when cat noir does it she throws such a temper tantrum at him😐

I honestly wish marinette knew who Chat Noir is and realise how much he’s been through

Who the heck was calling Adrien "selfish", "sensitive", and/or "manipulative"?! The nerve of these brats! Smh They act like Marinette has never made a serious mistake and Adrien's to blame for everything. So judgemental.

Chat Noir is one of my favorite characters and that scene where he denounced Plagg was heartbreaking, I had no idea people were ripping into him cause of it, shame on those people

even though Adrien was a spur of the moment character, he has the most deepest character that hits home.

Young me: I like Gabriel because he is so loyal to Emilie and protective over his son! Me now: Okay thats a lil too much now.

This, every point you've made about Adrien's life style made me realize why he's my favorite character in the show, whether in or out of the mask. Adrien is the one with the most problems , or at least, the one with the most serious problems, in the show, and that makes for a more interesting character. An absent mother, an abusive father, a partner that fail to show her true appreciation and feelings, and a lack of social cues; he's the one out of the duo with a personal stake in the battle against Hawkmoth, he's the one who has something to lose or gain depending on the outcome, it just makes me wish he was the main character instead of Marinette.

"Abusive Barbie Ken doll-looking rip-off" 😂 Gabriel really is the worst but we'd all be lying if we said he didn't have _some_ semblance of a fashion sense.

I didn’t realise miraculous was this deep holy shit

I think the fact that Adrien’s giving up of his miraculous can be viewed as both “sensitive” (implying impulsive) and “manipulative” (implying calculating) is a sign that it’s probably neither. People like to think that just because Adrien isn’t a spoiled rich kid, that automatically means he doesn’t have any issues socializing.

I don’t know, but I hate they way that ladybug treats Cat noir. Like when any one else makes a mistake she’s mad but more understanding, but throughout the whole show, she always treats him like a sidekick and really, she’s rude and pretty harsh towards him. Don’t get me wrong I love our girl but her personality changes so much towards cat noir and it’s pretty bad.

the potential this show could’ve had if they’d made this a show on the maturer side, and actually marketed it towards an older demographic. the majority of the show’s fan base are teens/young adults anyway. adrien could have such a great character arc. not only does he show signs of depression in the current show, but his character is very intricate and has a ton of potential. a lot more interesting then marinette, haha

And that's why Adrien/Cat Noir is my favorite since day one

i literally got emotional and cried watching this, i feel SO bad for adrien. he deserves better.

Adrien: nO oNE wILl cArE iF I QuiT Plagg: I WILL! Me: this is adorable 😄

Gabriel reminds me of my abusive ex. The way Adrien acts (criticising himself for a mistake) is how a victim of abuse is. Holy crap I hope the writers get him out of that situation.

Adrien/cat is such a good person and it’s sad that he has a messed up home life, he’s young or our age like maybe most of us and he values all the right things yk 🥺

“Abusive Barbie Ken doll looking rip-off” LOL YES

19:11 The fact that Adrien/ Chat noir had to think about the question ‘would you really think he take it out on his son?!’ shows that Adrien doesn’t know if his father feel any sort of family bond with him. He was unsure if his father would take it out on him like that or not. Ladybug/ Marinette is shocked when she asks the question ‘would you really think he take it out on his son?!’ She thinks this because she simply finds it astonishing that a father could care that less about his son or daughter as she knows her father wouldn’t ever do anything like that. This comment just adds more points to the video and also shows, once again, that Gabriel is a horrible father.

Honestly though the fact that people called Adrien selfish for giving up his Miraculous is just insane. When I watched that part I just realized that anytime he does something wrong (by his father's standards) he gets punished and that makes him think that when he does something even a tiny bit wrong he deserves to be punished for it. Which is pretty crazy. The only thing that I don't really like about Adrien is that apparently the only way he could love Marinette was if she was Ladybug (proven by Chat Blanc episode) he only fell in love with Marinette because he found out that she was Ladybug and not for any other reason.

I REALLY really hope that this show ends up giving adrien & chat noir the happy ending they deserve

12:57 You mention here that Adrien’s never had a healthy relationship before, but we have to remember that it’s implied often that his relationship with his mother was positive, as well as his sibling like friendship with Chloe in their early childhood, but this honestly still supports the point you’re making here. The only positive relationships he DID have ended up being negative somehow. His mother died and he’s pretty much betrayed by Chloe when she sides with Hawk Moth, showing her “true colors” (I still really hate that the writers did that to Chloes arc) so both relationships take on negative connotations. Moreso in regards to his mother’s death, as it can be believed Gabriel’s abusive behavior started to surface after her death. Edit: also I don’t necessarily think Gabriel akumatized himself to make Adrien feel guilty (though it could be part of it tbh) but instead supposed to throw off suspicion that he could be Hawk Moth. I believe in The Collector, Adrien discovered something that could lead to suspicion of Gabriel.