In Response to Erica Mena Controversy

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Shan BOODY

Shan BOODY

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Join shan boodram as she speaks candidly about race, colorism, and her recent KZfaq video with Ashley Cobb that sparked some serious conversations. Hear from Shan about the racist remarks made by Erica Mena towards Spice

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@shanboody
@shanboody 10 ай бұрын
We had a community chat about this video the day after it was up in hopes of expanding this conversation and making it more actionable. If you're interested you can rewatch that live here
@shanboody
@shanboody 10 ай бұрын
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@caramelcheezit6978
@caramelcheezit6978 10 ай бұрын
hey Shan, just be yourself. the minority communities often say shit like this based on their subjective feelings. i know this because im a minority myself and observed this insiduous pattern overtime. it can incite guilt out of people when the basis is faulty and wrong itself. Then, you end up selling your soul to the community so you bring awareness to their own feelings but you end up being held back and being unable to grow beyond the community as yourself. They dont care about individuals like that and just want people around them to cater and appease them; if anyone shows their own individuality, they are seen as privileged. they do not care. They just focus on "side eye"-ing people that dont adhere to their own ideas and views. Its not genuine concern about how colorism and racism can affect someones individuality and growth. Just as colorism and racism exist and affect people, the way you're treated by minority communities and i guess white people in this case is just as valid. I fucking feel horrible for you because you're being pushed to cater to someone's feelings and they don't even care to think and consider things as much you are doing (which literally is what you're supposed to do as a human).
@caramelcheezit6978
@caramelcheezit6978 10 ай бұрын
@JessicaEblen this is literally an example of what I just commented about. I'm sorry to Shan because these people do not care about people. Lack of emotional intelligence, and crazy subjectivity. Woman you gotta have some self awareness. Think before you speak
@caramelcheezit6978
@caramelcheezit6978 10 ай бұрын
@JessicaEblen lol what?
@caramelcheezit6978
@caramelcheezit6978 10 ай бұрын
@JessicaEblen hey honestly, you're the one in an echo chamber rn; I see you edited your comment too to add alot more. It's not about you being bad; you're just contradicting yourself and not seeing how what you're saying is being within an echo chamber and acting self righteous. Your comments are straight up self righteous. If you don't want to listen to her because she isn't black in your eyes, what do your beliefs actually do for you? Do they actually help you at all.
@maijahtaejon
@maijahtaejon 10 ай бұрын
Y’all have to learn that blackness is about your phenotype mainly. If you are not perceived as black you will not have the same experience as someone who looks like me 🤷🏾‍♀️ that just is what it is
@AlexisMaria
@AlexisMaria 10 ай бұрын
Exactly and growing up around black people and being hood adjacent doesn’t make you black lol 👍🏽
@lovenspired
@lovenspired 10 ай бұрын
Interesting, because I'm sure a Black kid with the same complexion as you who comes from a very rich elite Black family and only knowing a life based around attendance at exclusive private schools, country clubs, ivy leagues, and chauffeured transportation wouldn't have the same experience as you either. Also, since you're belief is based around phenotype: should we start excluding white skin, blue eyed, blonde-haired albino "Black" people from the community too? Here's the thing: Black comes in all shades. So, let's stop picking and choosing who's pushed out of the community based on toxic ideas that single out specific groups.
@howtotododo
@howtotododo 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@lovenspiredyea they would lmao. I didn’t do the whole country club stuff but I was a UNIS kid and around “prestige “ but my blackness overwhelmingly played a part in my interactions w ppl. It’s abt how much ur willing to acknowledge and accept that ur blackness oftentimes indicates the treatment you’ll receive regardless of ur social ladder
@lillustpotion
@lillustpotion 10 ай бұрын
@@howtotododospot on! I do feel like that in those environments my poor-ness was more of an issue than my blackness though 😂 if I’d been a Nigerian oil barons daughter it would have been fine 😂
@Appleboo222
@Appleboo222 10 ай бұрын
@@lovenspiredtrust me they do especially in a black majority country and the elites are mostly non black and you’re black and rich it’s like you see how some react just because you’re black and then some uncultured poor white English person comes around and even they are given more grace than you!
@ChenaiDavid
@ChenaiDavid 10 ай бұрын
All of this! An ex-friend would constantly share anti-Black and disparaging memes about unambiguous Black woman (specifically DSBW). When I addressed it OF COURSE I was accused of being jealous. The reality is I didn’t feel safe in the friendship knowing that she perceived me as inferior, and couldn’t trust her to be an ally to dismantle colourism/anti-Blackness.
@GaiaCarney
@GaiaCarney 10 ай бұрын
My childhood best friend was my first bully. She was a beautiful dark skinned Iranian, and had nothing good to say about my light skinned mixed Blackness 😔 I was a conflict averse, soft, easy target. I developed deep insecurity about my ethnic identity and distrust of anyone who who had an opinion about it (and everybody did!) The world has never seen me as white! My Blackness is obvious, yet many people in my life either assume I identify as white, when I never have, or want me to identify as white, which I never will!
@lindseyaliceford
@lindseyaliceford 10 ай бұрын
This
@astralplanejane
@astralplanejane 9 ай бұрын
Biracials and non black women They are not your ally! make no mistake… dont ever make the mistake a woman who is mixed is is not a black woman or will experience a real black woman’s plight especially a DSBW… they all believe they are superior 🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️
@suussuzy4522
@suussuzy4522 9 ай бұрын
​@@GaiaCarneyIf your mixed than that's what you are isn't it? Nothing to be confused about.
@dandelion6617
@dandelion6617 9 ай бұрын
@@GaiaCarneygirl being called mixed isn’t bullying lmao
@user-do1qf8rm7b
@user-do1qf8rm7b 10 ай бұрын
I was friends with a mixed girl in the military. We became friends because we were the only “black girls” there. Well when she got around the white girls she acted different. One time the white girls made a joke to her and said I like your weave. And she said do I look like one of those bald headed black chicks. She looked at me with so much shame when she realized what she let slip and I just ignored it and left.
@treacherousjslither6920
@treacherousjslither6920 9 ай бұрын
Ouch smh
@chiefrocka9159
@chiefrocka9159 9 ай бұрын
Damn. 😹😁😂😸
@Petey-se1lo
@Petey-se1lo 9 ай бұрын
Mixed girls can still be bald headed though😂
@queensheba9792
@queensheba9792 9 ай бұрын
And for that reason, that's why boundaries must exist and why I recognize biracial people as what they are - biracial. Not black, but black-adjacent.
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h 7 ай бұрын
@@Petey-se1lo Tell them that- A lot of them use and weaponise the fact that 99% of people don't think this about them. Notice how mixed girls don't get pushback on wearing wigs or dyeing their hair blonde- even if they don't naturally have those features. The proximity is enough for people not to question it, like they do with unambiguously Black women.
@maatiangoddess9890
@maatiangoddess9890 10 ай бұрын
The colorism issue occurred with O.G and Evelyn Lozada. Evelyn was clearly bothered and even surprised that a man she was interested in was also interested with O.G. She melted down.
@keycrum4218
@keycrum4218 9 ай бұрын
Completely agree. That is the perfect example…
@Hautenani
@Hautenani 9 ай бұрын
Yes exactly!!! I’m Puerto Rican and Black raised by a Black mother and I was shocked at how many Puerto Ricans and Afro Latinas are racists and hateful. As I grew up I got the most hate and racism from Latina women. This may be wrong to say but the Latino culture for women is a breeding ground for jealousy, cattiness, insecurities and low vibrational behavior. The women aren’t taught to have confidence and are talked down on for having any features that are Black. I look a little too Black and I have a lot of confidence so I usually trigger them and I know exactly how most feel about Black women 🤷🏽‍♀️
@werringertonney7489
@werringertonney7489 9 ай бұрын
@@Hautenani1,000%. I’m black but I have very interesting features, to the extent that every time I’m out, a Latina hates on me. I’m not stereotypically black and I’m pretty (sorry if that sounds obnoxious but people make it known too much for me to ignore).
@ModeFin
@ModeFin 8 ай бұрын
That was really crazy
@The.L.Is.Silent
@The.L.Is.Silent 10 ай бұрын
My sister is a lighter skin black woman. She calls colorist light skin and biracial women ALS "Annoying Light Skins". She does her best to disarm darker skin black women who are initially guarded towards her, she corrects women who say low key colorist or anti-black things around her and assume she has the same mindset. I didn't realize the extent of colorism until I grew up and moved out. I may have just repressed it. Looking back on childhood in discussions with my sister she said she realized the difference in how we were treated as children. I tend to limit my interaction with colorist people much like non-black people whether they have black heritage or not. I have a good sense just from energy on their mindset with very little interaction. I'm not wasting my time on women who want to claim blackness while thinking they're a better version of it based on their proximity to whiteness.
@respectfullyg5580
@respectfullyg5580 9 ай бұрын
You probably didn’t internalize it because your sister was speaking against it and rejecting it. She is an angel. Idk if she was older than you but she probably realized that this may be an issue for you and to make it her business to stand against it. It take an incredible amount of courage and empathy to recognize that’s as a child and take action against it.
@icildamurray4583
@icildamurray4583 9 ай бұрын
I know exactly what you mean. I had to learn how to navigate this choppy waters myself as a grown woman.
@raysha9932
@raysha9932 8 ай бұрын
And this is why as a PuertoRican with African ancestry I prefer to keep my mouth shut . No matter my percentage of African decent I could never ever dream of getting involved in these types of conversations. The reality is I’m light skinned and I could never ever relate to what my darker sisters go thru . Not by a long shot and the reality is I’ve at times have been part of the problem if in being totally honest with myself and you guys I’ve benefited from the systematic colorist society in general . I think the only way I and others light skin mixed races women can actually have a sit at the table is by acknowledging that it’s by invitation only we are not entitled to it whatsoever.
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h 7 ай бұрын
@@raysha9932 So are you really 'light skinned' then or more so ambiguous or white adjacent/tanned? I ask because I'm a light skinned Black woman and I can definitely have these conversations with dark skinned women because at the end of the day, I am still Black. I don't shy away from these conversations at all.
@chrissyn
@chrissyn 10 ай бұрын
She kept it 100 in this video. I respect her honesty.
@career5690
@career5690 10 ай бұрын
Me too
@cedesley7296
@cedesley7296 10 ай бұрын
Sameee
@diedregary5137
@diedregary5137 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this seriously
@jennyjones4875
@jennyjones4875 10 ай бұрын
nah. she's making up excuses claims that woman didn't intentionally offend.. Erika is known for referring to blacks as monkeys
@thedivinelife3470
@thedivinelife3470 10 ай бұрын
As a mixed race woman, I was deeply hurt by Erica’s comment to Spice. As half of my family is African-American, I would be devastated if someone referred to them as less than human. This is not the first time that Erica has referred to black women or black men as monkeys or gorillas. People need to research the history of the word monkey as it relates to the terrible history of slavery. I also advise people to watch the round table, that love and hip-hop conducted about colorism, it was very informative, and you will see clips of Erica stating that she would say it again, knowing that this word is hurtful to the African-American community.
@nyecore
@nyecore 10 ай бұрын
That’s because she really doesn’t like black people. She will use us to make money and for status but she believe she is better even though she acts like our worst stereotypes.
@mrsp5808
@mrsp5808 10 ай бұрын
Wow that is nuts...I am going tongonwatch the round table that sounds interesting. My hiusband(latin) and myself(bw) had a conversation about the Erica Mena comment. I was very upset because he kind of watered the deepness of it down as if maybe she just felt as if spice looked like a monkey. I was upset with him because I told him that given the history of the word monkey in the African American community that is just something that cannot be said. In my opinion the word monkey is in the same category with c@@n and the n-word. In my opinion.
@career5690
@career5690 10 ай бұрын
@@mrsp5808 In Latin America colorism and racism runs deep in those countries.
@career5690
@career5690 10 ай бұрын
I don’t think Erica Mena cares about Black Americans and Blacks in general knowing damn well her two children are mixed race.
@thedivinelife3470
@thedivinelife3470 10 ай бұрын
@@mrsp5808 facts
@SE-gs6gd
@SE-gs6gd 10 ай бұрын
I wish more people would just say that they are mixed race and not move into monoracial spaces and take over. This is the only problem I have. Otherwise be whatever you want
@MissPink217
@MissPink217 10 ай бұрын
agreed. they are comfortable saying they’re black but not comfortable saying they’re white when they’re both (and in this creators case Indian as well) and that rubs me the wrong way. say you’re multiracial even. idk.
@nubeazul5963
@nubeazul5963 9 ай бұрын
African Americans need to drop the one drop rule and hypodescent. Stop pressuring individuals and mixed race communities to call themselves black. They are MIXED race and that’s their truth.
@emiliarose18
@emiliarose18 9 ай бұрын
@@MissPink217 I am Nigerian. I was told that 'The one drop rule' determines if a person can be called a black person. Is that incorrect then?
@CyberMachine
@CyberMachine 9 ай бұрын
The problem is BW force mixed women to identify as BW. I was arguing with 5-7 BW about a mixed woman should be called mixed and not black. That a mixed race woman with 3b hair shouldn't be the representation for monoracial BW. They insisted she was black and I was a hater.
@SE-gs6gd
@SE-gs6gd 9 ай бұрын
@CyberMachine you can't generalize with that statement. A lot of black women are becoming more self aware and actually feel quite the opposite. They maybe just don't tell you that
@braidslikebrandy
@braidslikebrandy 10 ай бұрын
I have a lot of mixed friends growing up in cali. It was/is really hurtful to hear the way some mixed or light skin women slip up and say racist and colorist things. As an adult i went to a friend's party (i was the only dark brown skin lady) and a guy asked another mixed looking lady why she didnt sit by us and she laughed and said "its too dark over there". I was so shocked. This is a very real video.
@BlackGirlUnsolved
@BlackGirlUnsolved 10 ай бұрын
A Spanish guy randomly said infront of me he doesn’t date black girls because there private parts look like hamburger meat. You see how they try to get a rise out of us.
@kia.203
@kia.203 10 ай бұрын
Oh wow! How rude and nasty of her
@CookWithStephh
@CookWithStephh 10 ай бұрын
O wow so sorry love
@libbbbbbb
@libbbbbbb 10 ай бұрын
You should look for people who look like you. That’s my motherly advice.
@kay7732
@kay7732 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely disgusting. So sorry you experienced that.
@teedee643
@teedee643 10 ай бұрын
The continued part of this conversation are the black women and men who made or make excuses for Erica, Cardi B, Evelyn Lozada, Danileigh and so many others because of their proximity to fame or friendship and not hold them accountable and make excuses for their behavior most likely due to their proximity to whiteness.
@BlackGirlUnsolved
@BlackGirlUnsolved 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. But it’s black men who are backing them.
@lovelymix8056
@lovelymix8056 10 ай бұрын
You black Americans have no one else to blame but yourselves. You let Latinas into your community/space to disrespect you by claiming them as black. Dominicans have been telling you for years they ain’t black.
@SideEyeee_
@SideEyeee_ 9 ай бұрын
CARDI B IS ACTUALLY MIXED. LEAVE HER OUT OF THIS. DO YOUR RESEARCHES OR SHUT UP AND DON'T COMMENT AT ALL.
@marylander3798
@marylander3798 10 ай бұрын
you definitely articulated why I dont feel safe around biracial people. Ive been burned too many times to trust them off the bat. they often choose to not speak up or slander us when its convenient for them, in my experience. **shrugs** I think this is also why I'm not sure about this concept of "being a bridge" because I cant think of when Ive seen that happen in practice or play out in a way that benefits black people.
@champagneandcupcakesxoxo7139
@champagneandcupcakesxoxo7139 9 ай бұрын
I’ve seen far too many divestors usually and mostly African and dark skin African American (BW and WM) where the women will allow white and non black Latino women to use racial slurs against black women. Southern California and American southern states black women and others who relocate to California in pursuit of white males are the worst. Whenever people attempt to speak up for the defense of black women they always get shut down. I’ve observed black content creators allowing white or anti black (-self hate black women) to disrespect other black women. That’s why I call it fake outrage about Erica. If she was darker, with a weave or a 4c afro, an English surname OR a white women who patronizes their small businesses, the majority of black women would turn a blind ear and eye. Off camera they would NOT have had an issue with it. 🙄
@marvettelacy
@marvettelacy 10 ай бұрын
I sincerely appreciate you being an example of doing the work out loud. We all have work to do and few of us are willing to do so publicly. Thank you for being a possibility model.
@alona724
@alona724 10 ай бұрын
These conversations are soooooooo tricky. Especially the Ashley Cobb situation. It’s def not Shan’s responsibility to infer on Ashley’s behalf. But, I think non-biracial people yearn for her to say it because… they are penalized every single time they bring it up themselves. I remember a White historian who wrote about President Lincoln’s very questionable history on race… and that he wasn’t The Great Emancipator he was made out to be. The second thing he said was… “There have been many, many Black historians before me who have said the exact same thing, but they were dismissed because they were Black.” That just made my heart sing. That must have been 15 years ago. And, to this day, I still remember it because it was that powerful and far beyond what I had come to expect to hear. To some extent, no matter what Shan says her presence and her privilege will always evoke a certain emotion from some people. That’s not “jealousy” that’s trauma… of the variety that probably can’t be solved by Shan, no matter what she says. But, at the same time, I respect that Shan seems invested in exploring these topics for herself first. After all, it’s not just “helping” others when she goes deeper… I think it has to help oneself grow and mature. ❤
@TheBohodiva
@TheBohodiva 10 ай бұрын
this!
@DolledByYen
@DolledByYen 10 ай бұрын
The main thing I also noticed in this discussion is us darker toned/skinned women has to also do the work to not display internalized racism when these discussions arise. I seen so many black women defending her comment saying they would’ve said the same thing or “worse” normalizing this behavior and this set us back. It’s like your putting a sign on your back saying “it’s okay to call me racist terms because you were offended at something I said” racism and offensive terms is two completely separate things. Let’s not keep trying to normalize colorism and racism within our own community, I promise you these other communities do not do that.
@TheWirelessWoman
@TheWirelessWoman 10 ай бұрын
Non-white people understand that Whiteness is a protected class. You have no problem saying your Black but you know like all bi/multi racial people you can never comfortably say you are White. Just remember that White people created race. They are the reason why this is even a thing because they wanted to protect and privilege whiteness. Listening to you talk about your racial and ethnic identity lets me know you need to keep working on this and be more ethno-conscious. I have a biracial daughter and did a podcast with her that helped me to understand how much more important race was to her than it was even to me. Unfortunately, parents who date and marry interracially give their children work to do in a world we didn't fix for them.
@Daijxo
@Daijxo 10 ай бұрын
Period. The one drop rule was enforced to help protect whiteness. I always say white people always know when someone isn’t fully white. Leaving it to the black community to embrace/pressure bi/multi racial people into identify as black not considering the erasure that can happen. Ie in media when they choose a bi/multi racial person to meet the “black quota”. Phenotype, texturism and colourism needs to be spoken about honestly. Because no matter how included one may feel in a community these things create different lived experiences.
@neawilliams7204
@neawilliams7204 10 ай бұрын
This 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@sunkistbabe
@sunkistbabe 10 ай бұрын
​@@Daijxo I'm sorry but white people do not always know when someone is not white because they pretty much focus on skin tone. However, once they find out there's no going back and the person will no longer be treated as one of them. It's really black people who can tell when someone is black more than anything.
@returnofthemack8347
@returnofthemack8347 10 ай бұрын
Yep. Hence the “I stutter to say”. Mixed race ppl can never go around white ppl and claim to be white like they can claim to be black. White ppl won’t accept that.
@user-tv7kh7vw5m
@user-tv7kh7vw5m 9 ай бұрын
Fact!!!
@mika9883
@mika9883 10 ай бұрын
Im always going to see a mixed person exactly as they are… mixed. The beauty is that you can move between the two or three races/culture, as she refer to as a bridge. I don’t believe it’s a matter of not trusting mixed people either. I have not experienced a moment where I didn’t trust someone who’s mixed. I just hope they’ll have an understanding of the issues within the their communities being they’re from two different races/cultures. If they’re half black and raised in a black culture, then they know what goes on in terms of colorism/featurism/texturism.
@ga_elle
@ga_elle 10 ай бұрын
A true question that I have always wanted to know is why can't people just say they are mixed and just explain with what after. It always confuses me why is it so bad to say mix. Growing up in Haïti (and keep in mind I was really young) I just find it weird that people needs to choose between being black and what they are mixed with. I do think this does not help the black community because this just makes that any one mixed with the lightest percentage of black is now automatically black when we do not at all experience life the same. I just find that saying you are mixed is okay and that could help soo much.
@shanboody
@shanboody 10 ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s bad to identify as mixed, it’s someone’s choice. I can say I’m mixed or I can say I am black, I am Indian and I am white - it’s the same thing but the emphasis is different and personally I prefer the ladder. I agree with you that not adding nuance to the discussion and just considering those who are some all is not helpful. I truly believe we are seeing a shift away from that though. And I think I can sit in my truth without standing in the way of someone else’s.
@charismao5515
@charismao5515 10 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you. Implying that you are fully black (one thing not part) negates the reality, lived experience and privilege of being mixed). There are real issues and implications related to black womanhood - which are being dismissed, ignored and exacerbated by these acts of erasure. It’s especially alarming when those who share in racial community feel no sense of care or responsibility to center those most affected by its condition.
@ga_elle
@ga_elle 10 ай бұрын
@shanboody Agree 👏🏾👏🏾. And I want to actually say thank you because, as a long-time watcher and subscriber of yours, this was absolutely the most beautiful way for you to put this forward. Especially how you used this viral pop culture moment and bring awareness to this is really wonderful.
@Unknown-xq5km
@Unknown-xq5km 10 ай бұрын
@@shanboody be honest. Many mixed people like to pick and choose when they claim certain races depending on who they are around. That is the difference between being one race and multiple races. I highly doubt most people who are multi racial really emphasize all races at all times which causes issues of identity for those who can fully claim one race. I know this to be true because now we have to qualify black women with phrases like non ambiguous black women or phenotypically black women. WTF. That doesn’t happen to any other race of woman except with the trans community with the term biological woman. The way mixed people are cosigning this erasure is disgusting and disingenuous.
@chr85168
@chr85168 10 ай бұрын
As someone of mixed race with Brazilian roots (my parents both immigrated to the US from Brazil), being mixed race has always been confusing coming from a country whose anti-Blackness is rooted in proving that you aren't "Black black" but "morena" or "coffee and milk colored" as two examples. So now growing up not knowing my race has really confused me. But now I realize it was part of a larger sinister narrative to erase our African roots and eugenicized(is that the way to say it?) the population. But on this topic, yeah I don't think it's bad to say I'm mixed because I walk through the world and receive different treatment than dark skinned Black people, plus my family history with race is v different than most Black and Afro-descendant people. But yeah race really is socially constructed, it's just fucked how we don't realize how colorism further separates us from each other..
@JanielBee
@JanielBee 10 ай бұрын
My mom is Indian and my dad is black, but I mostly ‘look black’ and I always feel nervous sometimes talking about my Indian side or traits because others might think I’m trying to separate myself from my black side and that is so far from the truth so I tend to avoid saying I’m mixed.
@JaeElise
@JaeElise 10 ай бұрын
Don’t . say it with your chest. You’re mixed and black people need to stop with the one drop rule. It’s like disregarding the other half of you so they can relate to your struggle than ridicule the other half. It’s like a living thru you syndrome among black people .
@thedarkam3thyst
@thedarkam3thyst 10 ай бұрын
I hope you feel inspired to speak up for your Indian side as well some day. ♥ You're both and that's lovely.
@ivannarandall2102
@ivannarandall2102 10 ай бұрын
I relate to this so much, I am black and Mexican and I am always told I look more black or that I look more “othered” people can tell I am black but mixed with something else. I don’t feel comfortable speaking up about issues on either side.
@amberlee582
@amberlee582 10 ай бұрын
Awww, that's sad. I have to better with my biases as a blk woman.
@changeoffocus1074
@changeoffocus1074 10 ай бұрын
Do you feel nervous talking about your black side or traits ?
@KaiCiDivine
@KaiCiDivine 10 ай бұрын
Because you didn’t get offended by the critics, and then chose to do the work, and also understand the the criticism was love, and not “hating” or “jealousy”, respect.
@naturallyours21
@naturallyours21 10 ай бұрын
Shan, the progress you’ve made on your journey is palatable in this video. You’ve done the work and are so effective here in showing that. It makes me happy to see and hear you more firm and confident in articulating how you identify and navigate the world. And the distinction between “jealousy” and TRUST - yes yes yes. Your communities benefit from how you are using your platform to have challenging conversations, especially with the way you’re centering empathy in your approach. Much love 💕
@ms.tinygiant
@ms.tinygiant 10 ай бұрын
I’m on and off about this topic because I am mixed but I say, I’m mixed. I don’t say I am black and not because I don’t want to be seen as black but because.. I am not fully black. So I don’t have the same experiences as a black person. I wouldn’t want to tell someone I am their race fully if I’m not, I feel like that’s diminishing the life someone lives in their race and honestly insulting. But I have black in me yes and I will say that proudly but the truth is the truth.
@toomuchinformation
@toomuchinformation 9 ай бұрын
Preach.
@dontme4132
@dontme4132 9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@haleydunnigan1485
@haleydunnigan1485 10 ай бұрын
One thing I really love about Shan is how open she is constructive criticism. She is very introspective and is always wanting to learn and grow. I really appreciate that because I feel like that is rare ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@CharisMaggieTV
@CharisMaggieTV 10 ай бұрын
Definitely
@briolivia
@briolivia 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking this too.
@laurenjackson2810
@laurenjackson2810 10 ай бұрын
The fact that Shan isn’t afraid to call herself out (now)… she’s gained my respect. I’ve avoided Shan’s content for years due to the fact that she never acknowledged race & color in her digests. That’s something I see often with lighter skinned people who aren’t raised by Black women.. She’s recognizing her privilege in not having to blatantly acknowledge how race/color plays a part in a lot of her topics. This is a step in the right direction 👏🏾 Thank you
@shanboody
@shanboody 10 ай бұрын
This conversation is not easy for anyone to have or hear. Who are some people/ links/ resources that you think are doing it very well? What do you know that you wish other people knew too (could be a personal lesson or an accademic one)
@hailie_Selassie
@hailie_Selassie 10 ай бұрын
CMON! SHANNON. You have yourself refered to CHRISSIE videos when adressing colorism a few years ago!!!!
@scorpioxrocky
@scorpioxrocky 10 ай бұрын
a personal lesson is that i wish people knew that these reservations are never personal or an attack on a person's moral code. they are just a way to keep ourselves physically & mentally safe.
@83npat
@83npat 10 ай бұрын
Shan. You are a multiracial person. I was introduced to you when you had a unambiguously black "cohost". Her name escapes me. My concern is many biracials gain entry and often foothold via masquerading with or as black. Then, once established, many biracials escape blackness as needed. Trustworthy?
@lisamariebarrie1989
@lisamariebarrie1989 10 ай бұрын
I think the name you are trying to remember is danileigh- mother to dababy child (I may have spelled her name wrong)
@aidadagodess1
@aidadagodess1 10 ай бұрын
@Jouelzy and @Kim (for harriet) @khadija mbowe and @salkis Rae @intelexual media are doing great content around this space. But also, patricia hill collin’s work particularly black feminist works is great. Most of these women have patreon accounts and resources you can access including book clubs.
@JamesGoldblood
@JamesGoldblood 10 ай бұрын
I've always said mixed kids have a racial complex because we're constantly told what we are and it's different depending on who you're talking to. I've been told I'm not black, I'm mixed by black people and I've also been told I'm black because I look it so even though I'm mixed (by black people). My entire childhood was people either telling me what I am or how I should identify so I never really understood what to say. As a mixed kid, I identify with all my ethnicities. I'm one singularly. And I think only mixed kids understand that concept.
@suras8984
@suras8984 10 ай бұрын
I agree with you. Ive been told, Im black, im mixed, I am just a tanned white girl, Im white, yellow. I just say where my parents are from now when people ask, that is if I choose to answer their question. I get asked so much that sometimes Im just so annoyed I do not want to even answer.
@indi4223
@indi4223 10 ай бұрын
Omg yes this is so annoying! People are always doing this.
@sippingsocialite9494
@sippingsocialite9494 10 ай бұрын
You get to tell people who you are. I hate that black people do that to biracials. I told my mix niece that she get to define herself and who ever doesn’t respect it, check them and move forward. People need to learn boundaries and have some couth
@cooki3monstrrr
@cooki3monstrrr 10 ай бұрын
"As a mixed kid, I identify with all my ethnicities. I'm one singularly" I LOVE this, really resonates with me
@EmpressChan77
@EmpressChan77 10 ай бұрын
My nieces are mixed and I understand the difficulties through them, it's not easy trying to fit in when you are mixed , it can sometimes seem like you are never enough for either and then you try to identify and it can cause emotional situations you can't explain to your peers or even understand yourself as a young adult.
@nnebugho
@nnebugho 10 ай бұрын
These comments are so disappointing and infantilizing. Race is a social construct. That doesn’t mean it’s without impact and it SHOULD be addressed. And, as an unambiguous Black women it’s a very important part of our lives, especially our sex lives and relationships.
@sd8150
@sd8150 10 ай бұрын
Agreed
@itsbritt9155
@itsbritt9155 10 ай бұрын
Erica Mena is a Dominican and Puerto Rican woman from New York . And yes I know some Hispanics are multiracial from history but it’s hard to explain because there’s a whole cultural element involved . Idk how this is a conversation about ambiguous mixed women, their a non-factor in THIS convo, she is neither , she’s Puerto Rican , a nuyorican , and if you from the east coast , you know she LOOKS Puerto Rican . I feel the Erica mena and spice situation is more so about how Hispanic culture looks down on black ppl , a superiority complex. I would like to hear the perspective on this convo between black ppl and latinos because the cultural elements are being left out.
@sarahgates6947
@sarahgates6947 10 ай бұрын
People were confused about her cultural heritage and Erica Mena aligns herself with black spaces.
@TheFearlessBabe
@TheFearlessBabe 10 ай бұрын
You have a valid point
@kia.203
@kia.203 10 ай бұрын
THIS!!! This is the comment right here lol
@lovelymix8056
@lovelymix8056 10 ай бұрын
She also Dominican not just Puerto Rican 😂😂😂😂 and I agree with you a half and half biracial woman from America isn’t going to have the same experiences has a multiracial Latina. So I don’t know why biracials are getting dragged in this mess.
@ChrissyAnn85
@ChrissyAnn85 10 ай бұрын
Her divers license says White. So that's how Erica identifies.
@bbernabe08
@bbernabe08 10 ай бұрын
I always appreciate how you’re able to clearly articulate such complicated feelings and concepts. Thank you for always willing to do the work and doing so in public spaces so many of us can learn along with you.
@thatcreativebeauty
@thatcreativebeauty 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, unfortunately race 😒and the shade of your skin makes a BIG difference in how people interact with you. I seen this firsthand my son is very light just like you mixed and he gets a totally different response from people than my daughter does all because she is dark skinned and it’s disgusting. Even though I didn’t treat them any different society is already trying to push this narrative like one is better than the other, even though they literally came from the same parent 😮 so thank you for doing the work, and most importantly teach your children, all the things that you have learned and let them know that people should not be judged based off of their skin tone.
@achankiir1263
@achankiir1263 10 ай бұрын
@ABC-uq3mxyou need to educate yourself cuz you’re displaying antiBlackness by spreading false information. Black people don’t commit the most crimes if that was the case Black ppl wouldn’t make up the majority of falsely accused and highly exonerated. Also Italians are white they don’t experience racism so educate yourself and maybe you’ll be able to come up with better comparisons between groups of people you know little to nothing about ❤
@tamarapowell8982
@tamarapowell8982 10 ай бұрын
It sounds like you are the type of bw that started dating out because you couldn’t get the black man that you actually wanted
@shreehill9641
@shreehill9641 10 ай бұрын
@ABC-uq3mxthe thing is Italians have to self identify as such. Blackness can’t be hidden
@NoDustZone
@NoDustZone 9 ай бұрын
​@ABC-uq3mxthe black community and Italians tarnished their own image with their behavior.
@IsaidItand
@IsaidItand 9 ай бұрын
@ABC-uq3mxwho is Italian ?! This is about black folks. What does that have to do with being black or what she wrote
@TM-nb7np
@TM-nb7np 9 ай бұрын
Chrissie sent me here. And I'm glad she did. Thanks Shan. Thanks Chrissie.
@RyjiahKG-.-
@RyjiahKG-.- 10 ай бұрын
I’m not directly mixed (both of my parents are black but I have some white ancestry that goes about 3 generations back on both of my parents sides of the family) and I definitely notice that some black people I come in contact with don’t trust me and it takes time to build this trust. And most times they are pleasantly surprised that I don’t end up acting “saditty”. These situations did kinda hurt especially when I didn’t see a difference between us and they didn’t even know me. I didn’t understand especially when my parents didn’t teach me to see myself differently. This situation with Erica along with Shan breaking it down helps me understand completely why there is hesitation to trust someone who isn’t obviously black as a black person. Being around someone and trusting them, allowing them in your personal spaces, inviting them into your home, laughing together, sharing your culture with them then having that same person express how less of a human you are compared to them its beyond disgusting and completely hurtful. In Erica’s case her transgressions are amplified because you have children that are half black, she’s on a show where her cast mates are mostly black, she dates black men/married a black man, and she was the video vixen in the music videos of black artists. It makes it seem like she took advantage of the black community to become famous, now that she is she can voice her true thoughts.
@Mpatapoccm
@Mpatapoccm 10 ай бұрын
This is why we love you Shan! You never shy away from the meaningful convos!! Appreciated this!
@josbroadway
@josbroadway 10 ай бұрын
Your honesty and bluntness is always so great. Thanks for being authentic with who you are and how you show up Shan!
@scorpioxrocky
@scorpioxrocky 10 ай бұрын
the title was so... raw. i appreciate your understanding and compassion. thank you, shan
@t.twashington4001
@t.twashington4001 10 ай бұрын
As a Black woman coming from 2 Black parents, I wouldn't call being mixed a bridge. Having Black lineage does not automatically make you "Black". Most black Americans have a very small percentage of Yt European lineage by way of rape through the slavery, but we don't and can't classify as Yt. Biracial is a class of its own literally and figuratively. It's always interesting to me how hard biracials (mostly and always women) will go so hard to be accepted into Black spaces as opposed to Yt spaces. You never see that same energy and that's telling.
@kinyaa8356
@kinyaa8356 10 ай бұрын
It’s a social class thing which holds different weight in different spaces..
@BrayBray78
@BrayBray78 10 ай бұрын
White culture would never accept them but black culture will uplift them and they know it.
@queenkahlua579
@queenkahlua579 10 ай бұрын
They like being put on a pedestal in the black community and placed “above” monoracial black women by colorist black men and they can’t do that in white spaces because white women are pedestalized in white communities. It’s just self serving mixed women nonsense. Notice how she never co-opts monoracial Indian women or white women’s identities and experiences but jumps headfirst into black women’s identity and experiences.
@marylander3798
@marylander3798 10 ай бұрын
this is an interesting point. Ive definitely encountered biracial mem work hard to hide their blackness in order to be accepted by white people. I think we all know why biracial men and biracial women are making opposite choices in this society.
@toomuchinformation
@toomuchinformation 9 ай бұрын
​​@@queenkahlua579Very good point. I believe that the Indian side of her family don't accept her as fully Indian. Of course the White side won't either. It's only Black People (esp Women) who are expected to accept her as "Black". I remember Shan saying that if she was homeless and all raggedy looking on the street, she knows that a Black man will help her out. She's well aware of the privileged status she holds in the BC, esp amongst BM.
@thedarkam3thyst
@thedarkam3thyst 10 ай бұрын
One thing I know for sure, is that you are always going to come with grace, humility, and honesty. You always speak your truth with openness and inherently, that really sets you apart from creators I've watched. I continue to support your content because I trust what you have to say. Hearing that you identify as a Black woman isn't a surprise to me because I've always seen you as so ♥. Thank you for sharing yourself publicly with us! Thank you for navigating this topic in your je ne sais qoui that you always bring to every topic. Love you Shan! 🥰
@gigilina1782
@gigilina1782 10 ай бұрын
the bravery you exhibit is just so inspiring to me, truly. thank you for showing what it looks like for you to try.
@selena6536
@selena6536 10 ай бұрын
My concern is that when we have these types of conversations people tend guess their way to their own understandings and definitions when there is a lot of literature that has been written on this topic by experts, activists and scholars, who've dedicated their lives to studying and defining these things. I feel like by building off that work and those studies, we can have more constructive discussions because, more often than not, we keep end up going in circles and struggling to reach commonality. People often get confused when talking about identity as to whether they mean blackness as a racial descriptor, blackness as heritage or blackness as culture (in America this may refer to African American culture, Nigerian American culture etc etc). Some people will be able to claim all of them while others can claim one or two. It gets messy when we start to forget that race itself is a social construct, there's no gene for it or, number of parents, or percentage of it in your blood that can determine if you are black. The construct was created and based solely on how people present phenotypically, and that became the basis for how each group they defined is treated. It's quite a weak construct too, because the boundaries change across time and location. Like how Italian-Americans only started being considered white in the last century or how Shan would not be able to check "black" while filling out forms in my country. In South Africa she would entirely be considered a separate race. Of course some people want to make a distinction between mixed and black people solely to be exclusionary, but primarily that distinction has been used to highlight and understand that there are different experiences awarded to people based on whether they move through the world as a mixed person vs a black person. Mixed-people still do experience anti-blackness by virtue of being associated with black people or having black-heritage, just like other non-black people may experience anti-blackness for being friends or family with black people (or being dark-skinned in their culture) - but understandably people might feel uncomfortable if those people began claiming blackness because they saw that anti-blackness as the racism someone may experience because they are categorized as a black person. The point people want to emphasize is that mixed folks still have distinct privileges and experiences that phenotypically black people do not have the same access to. One of the scholars I read during my studies talked about actually defining blackness and how many people falsely attribute it to a culture when they are many varying black cultures around the world that both mirror and contrast each other. This type of definition invariably leaves out groups of people that are still very much understood to be black. The only constant was that blackness was a "shared experience of oppression" - a particular set of experiences, challenges, prejudices etc that people encounter wherever they may be in the world because of the way they look on the outside. Certain people may be privy to these experiences at one time in history but not another - it all very much heavily depends on what the prevailing white-supremacist systems, institutions and cultural ideology consider as fitting into that box. And it's those systems that encourage us to buy into race as a real thing: Something you can quantify, have a percentage of blood of or have a genes for. or something that is found in behaviour (e.g. this person doesn't act black). Its racial essentialism. When we start interacting with it as those things rather than the social construct it is, we remain stuck in a game that was manufactured hundreds of years ago. Overall, I do understand mixed people identifying as black in the US and surrounding regions. I know it has culturally taken effect because of the history of the one-drop rule and condemning anything to closely related to blackness as part of it in order to retain the purity of the in-group and cause further separation between races, even so far as committing the erasure of mixed-people or "bridges". I just would caution that when talking about these things we examine where our definitions and the parameters we use come from and challenge them. We don't need to perpetuate an understanding of race created by racists but rather, through having more informed and constructive conversations, come to define, understand and connect on our own terms.
@veeayeveee
@veeayeveee 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for gor describing how I feel about this subject matter so eloquently. I can tell you are intelligent and well read. 🙏🏽
@kooliecurlz93
@kooliecurlz93 10 ай бұрын
Wow, very well articulated.
@beautifullyflawedone
@beautifullyflawedone 10 ай бұрын
This!! Thank you
@Ruby-kr6fh
@Ruby-kr6fh 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this comment. Anecdotally, I have also observed that globally and cross culturally, blackness tends to be defined as a shared experience of oppression (I would love to know the scholar/study that identified this as well).
@TyraHigh
@TyraHigh 10 ай бұрын
I hope she reads THIS comment.
@geemonay
@geemonay 10 ай бұрын
First time across your channel - Thank you for such an honest, open and vulnerable conversation. THIS is what is needed for us to heal.
@theyJC
@theyJC 10 ай бұрын
Found your content when looking for validation of my own mixed identity - thank you for your continued authenticity Shan 💜
@YochanaIrie_FineAppleStylez
@YochanaIrie_FineAppleStylez 10 ай бұрын
I love how you went through and expressed exactly how you identify and your experience! As a fellow Caribbean person, that was not born in the Caribbean… I know of so many mixed people, and have so many mixed race people in my family, but we identify more heavily with our ethnicity. I am hoping that the people who don’t have that same personal experience with being mixed or intimately knowing mixed race people, can truly understand where you’re coming from and what you are saying. I also love how you respect what year is just wants to discuss on your show. I think a lot of times people expect us to always talk about race, and it can be so draining! I think it’s important to realize that we need to acknowledge race, and its impact on all of our lived experiences, but we don’t need to make it the center of our lives end of our experience. I am an unambiguous black woman in America and I have experienced many things because of it, but it’s not the center of who I am and how I identify. Now, of course I think because I come from a culture in which culture is more important than race, that is probably why it’s not the center of my life. But I think in the United States, where race is much larger than culture for the people who were born here it’s different.
@LifeOfKells
@LifeOfKells 10 ай бұрын
I love the way you articulate this topic so well, you hit your points DEAD ON. 🎯🎯🎯
@EdwardSanchezProductions
@EdwardSanchezProductions 10 ай бұрын
Shan Thank you for having this discussion
@gotamekanicole
@gotamekanicole 10 ай бұрын
thank you so much for opening this conversation up
@DanziLately
@DanziLately 10 ай бұрын
I love what she said about wanting to appear good or smart vs wanting to be good or smart and what each actually entails. My girls always out here with the insightful one liners that really sit with you long term
@urbanflight820
@urbanflight820 10 ай бұрын
This was a very thoughtful take on some of the issues that matter. Thank you for being smart and always doing the work, Shan.
@Lemorgg
@Lemorgg 10 ай бұрын
Once again, thank you Shan for facilitating a hard conversation so graciously and authentically. As another mixed girlie, I’ve never had safe space to be able to have these types of convos. In my own experience I experienced a lot of shame projected on to me growing from both sides of my family for my race which has been very damaging and something I’m still working through to this day. Hearing more conversations on this topic would be super helpful!
@aladyofleisure2401
@aladyofleisure2401 10 ай бұрын
i am so proud of Shan
@j_lynsation
@j_lynsation 10 ай бұрын
Beautifully said Shan. 🖤✨
@FaithFITFreak1
@FaithFITFreak1 10 ай бұрын
I really truly appreciate you bringing this discussion to light. It does build trust amongst differently featured black diaspora. Love you Shan ❤️
@cjlj108
@cjlj108 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing and always speaking with respect, love and honesty! Vids like this is exactly why I follow and recommend you!! You've been a great representation of Black/Mixed raced women. You're doing amazing work! 🙌🏾🙌🏾
@soniagray5734
@soniagray5734 10 ай бұрын
Shan....you did an amazing job.....I thank you for your bravery, most are either too lazy or too cowardly to handle real life conversations....and you did it with grace. Our community has alot of healing to do and conversations like these are lighters.....I felt heard, like someone actually listened .......however we must also create a space for the other side of this conversations without stifling one at hand
@IndigoChild007
@IndigoChild007 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing the innermost parts of your soul with us; It was authentic. And as someone who has majored in psychology, the part you mentioned with the amygdala was crucial. I wish they taught these things in elementary and HS. I worked as an Immigration Officer for almost 10 years, and the one culture that has a serious problem with claiming their African heritage are Dominicans. So many of them were darker than you and even me, and felt comfortable enough to sit across the desk and identify as “White”. I was born in T&T and there are in fact issues with colorism there. I truly feel sorry for anyone who doesn’t know who they are, understand the rich history of the Blacks of the Earth, and think that by reclassifying themselves, that it makes them great. You know and understand the heritage and history. And I applaud you for it. You have gained a new subscriber. Well done.
@AmandaKavana
@AmandaKavana 10 ай бұрын
Well done. Especially the ending about appearing or being a way. I’m that lit something in me.❤
@Polonnemami
@Polonnemami 10 ай бұрын
Shannon I’ve watched your videos for so long and your still so respectable to this day it’s so admirable
@redaleta
@redaleta 10 ай бұрын
I really appreciate this conversation.
@musicneurons7807
@musicneurons7807 10 ай бұрын
Me too. B/c Shan Boody is still the sexpert, dating decoder, relationship conversation starter I want to watch, comment, and read. So this mattered to me. ❤
@jodyvankuijk
@jodyvankuijk 10 ай бұрын
These talks are always so healing for me, can't thank you enough. I'm personally mixed Dutch-Indonesian but also have Chinese lineage that was buried because of violence against the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia throughout the past century. The name my family carries was fabricated and our old Chinese name was erased from the books. My mother identifies as fully Indonesian and carries the passport, but purely biologically she is technically Javanese-Chinese-German (colonial interracial marriage). My father is white. This makes me very white passing phenotypically, at most people would think I'm 'ambiguous'. But because I spent a huge part of my formative years in Indonesia, and was raised communally and intergenerationally by my mom's family, there is no world in which I could possibly identify as wholly white. While I am overtly aware of the privileges I have because of my looks and my white surname; racial aggression, and sexual trauma due to my encounters with white men are not foreign to me. I find myself more in literature and art by women of color, and don't relate pretty much at all to the white experience. Your way of saying 'I exist as a bridge' is so beautiful and I will definitely be taking that with me everywhere I go now. Thank you Shan
@glo9163
@glo9163 5 ай бұрын
You are a great writer!
@jodyvankuijk
@jodyvankuijk 5 ай бұрын
@@glo9163 Ahhh, that's such a great compliment! Thank you!!
@process0fbecoming
@process0fbecoming 10 ай бұрын
We found this video Excellent ! A step towards us as a community understanding and healing these issues.
@diamondsblackroses2549
@diamondsblackroses2549 9 ай бұрын
This is the hard conversation. Bless you 🙏🏾
@ashlynne8685
@ashlynne8685 10 ай бұрын
Damn Shan I appreciate you for doing this because this is what we needed
@ashlynne8685
@ashlynne8685 10 ай бұрын
We say all the time we want this and most content creators don’t touch the subject because it is touchy but it’s necessary
@pipperlue
@pipperlue 10 ай бұрын
100% relate. This perspective is so nice to hear someone else articulate. As a mixed/Black woman the same age as you, I also don’t always know the appropriate way to identify. I’m also, more often than not, extremely disappointed in other mixed people and feel most of us should inherently not be trusted.
@BeautyOutspoken
@BeautyOutspoken 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this open and honest conversation. I haven’t watched you in a while but this video reminded me of why I subscribed years ago. Your openness to self reflect and be candid about yourself
@cynthiacoleman8153
@cynthiacoleman8153 10 ай бұрын
So brave of you to address the issue and much respect for the way in which it was delivered. Gracefully and well said. Thank you! ❤
@nobuhleee
@nobuhleee 10 ай бұрын
I BEEN FOLLOWING YOU SINCE I WAS 17(lol I’m only 20 now) THIS IS EASILY ONE OF MY FAVOURITE VIDEOS ❤️
@Techsi751
@Techsi751 10 ай бұрын
I’m so grateful for you sharing your experience as a black woman that is 100% black but can look ambiguous at times, it’s so important that we understand the nuisances in our experiences. We all who share space in the black experience have to bridge the gap between us. Again another great video and thank you for giving us language to educate one another.
@alchemistamineh3261
@alchemistamineh3261 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your sincerity and honesty 🙏🏽.
@NoName-oe4gm
@NoName-oe4gm 9 ай бұрын
Thanks For understanding! Thanks For Having The tough conversation! Thanks For Being Honest! Thank You! Just Thank You 🙏🏾
@lovelymix8056
@lovelymix8056 10 ай бұрын
Shouldn’t the Latino community be having this conversation?!! People who are half and half have nothing to do with a multiracial Latina. We are different and have different experiences.
@ClassyCourtesan
@ClassyCourtesan 10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@ariana12234
@ariana12234 10 ай бұрын
I feel seen as a mixed person. Thank you Shan for having these conversations. 💜
@asiablackgrl6482
@asiablackgrl6482 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for touching on this topic.
@LadyKpoetry
@LadyKpoetry 10 ай бұрын
i really appreciate your sincerity & honesty in this topic....as i get older as a non ambiguous black woman who is surrounded alot of times by ambiguous or non culturally aware folks, i know this conversation wouldn't be able to be had...you definitely need a certain level of emotional intelligence & cultural awareness...and i realize as i get older that these things are REALLY important to me...sooo thank you & those that you spoke of for continuing this dialogue because your rational, concise & educated perspective is refreshing.....alot of black women get tired of being the only voices on this topic because the response from others is very dismissive when we say the same things you are speaking on...
@audriiiiroberts3030
@audriiiiroberts3030 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for this, one mixed kid to another 💗 I’m mixed with Native American, black, white and sometimes it can be confusing but I am just *me*. I totally don’t want to be just “mixed” and I totally know what you mean about not wanting to erase your roots.
@charismao5515
@charismao5515 10 ай бұрын
A mixed woman saying she’s a black woman is highly entitled, problematic and dismissive - and the erasure of the women who you seek to identify with - of actual black women who have to live an unambiguous black experience. This is all about what benefits non black women with proximity - and not seeking to center or understand actual black women - especially dark skin BW - who experience systemic racism and colorism the most.
@PHOENIX-ux3gw
@PHOENIX-ux3gw 10 ай бұрын
Completely agree.
@cinnamongirl7519
@cinnamongirl7519 10 ай бұрын
Agreeed
@ha3945
@ha3945 9 ай бұрын
💯
@daligogh1
@daligogh1 9 ай бұрын
We don’t get to choose
@LunaHealing
@LunaHealing 9 ай бұрын
While I understand your point, and agree for the most part, I do want to point out that for a lot of mixed race people, that are 30+ we grew up being told that we were black. The 1-drop rule was often brought up. And, not just by the white community. As a Caribbean, mixed race woman, I was often told I was black by white people, by black men and some black women. It was only when I moved to the USA that black women started telling me that I was not black. So, while I do acknowledge and am very aware of the privileges that I have as a mixed race, lighter-skinned woman, I also think it is important for people with a different experience to understand the degree of confusion most of us encounter throughout our lives when it comes to race identity. No, I don't identify as black. However, a lot of people may, and have identified me as such throughout my life. So that is one of the reasons why a lot of mixed race women say they are black. And yes, there are other more insidious reasons in our current culture, for sure. But, I wanted to shed some light on my experience to hopefully illustrate that we are not all trying to erase black women or even compete. A lot of us are just trying to figure it out for ourselves and trying to do it in a way that feels in integrity with who we are [culturally, emotionally, intellectually] and is not at the expense of black women, or anyone else for that matter.
@lnjb
@lnjb 10 ай бұрын
WHOA! Shan, I have been following you since pre-Jared, and I don't think I've commented yet. Sorry lol... (I am however constantly recommending your work)... I can't tell you enough how I am constantly in awe of your poised, thoughtful, responses, especially when diving into difficult/culturally tense topics. As a biracial person raised by a beautiful melanin rich mama and a father who did his best to shield us from the ol'school racism that existed in his family, I can completely relate to the analogy of being a bridge and never truly fully accepted on any land. This video has peeled back a whole new layer, I haven't considered. Thank you. I applaud your openness to accept feedback without defensiveness or self-condemnation. Bravo! This is why I continue to watch and follow. Thank you for sharing the beauty of your TOTALITY: black, white, indian, and modeling what it means to graciously practice growth. 🙏🏽❤
@lx9414
@lx9414 10 ай бұрын
I love eloquently Shan explains💗
@applejellypucci
@applejellypucci 10 ай бұрын
As a black identifying mom to white-passing children, I appreciated this video. But I will not make my children feel like they will need to apologize for whatever spaces they are included in. I will teach them to go where they are appreciated, not to beg to get in spaces they don't have an invite to. Erica Mena is also not a good person, never has been.
@oldschooleazykillz-outlawj6464
@oldschooleazykillz-outlawj6464 10 ай бұрын
Black identifying? Wth does that even mean?
@luvsponge
@luvsponge 10 ай бұрын
What is white passing?
@jadesmith7983
@jadesmith7983 10 ай бұрын
Does black identifying mean you are mixed/biracial but only identify as black?
@JJohnson2687
@JJohnson2687 10 ай бұрын
Lmao
@misosouperman
@misosouperman 10 ай бұрын
Yep exactly good mama! They have nothing to apologize for! Just teach them to be good people!❤
@Effervescenz
@Effervescenz 10 ай бұрын
I just love her. I subscribed to her years ago. And might have come across her video today also after a few years but she is so gorgeous. Im an indian nd i feel that familiarity... But i can see your mixed genes and cultural upbringing. You are a gorgeous woman nd i always feel amazed by your confidence and boldness and beauty and voice and passion ❤🌸🌸🌸
@wondawomenluvsupaman
@wondawomenluvsupaman 10 ай бұрын
This was stellar content and I don’t know if I’ve been on the wrong side of youtube but these types of conversations and this type of content period on the internet is a breath of fresh air and feels rare to me. The accountability and the maturity and eloquence in delivery are all top tier here.
@TaVonya
@TaVonya 10 ай бұрын
Love you Shan, shout out to you for this conversation! I love you even more 💝
@niaballard1483
@niaballard1483 10 ай бұрын
Good shit sister 👏🏾
@staywoke2258
@staywoke2258 10 ай бұрын
Wow what a video title let’s watch
@EmpressChan77
@EmpressChan77 10 ай бұрын
Thoroughly and well put, I love this and I trust you.
@michelleheegaard
@michelleheegaard 9 ай бұрын
Damn... this was such a wonderful and important video. Can't believe I almost skipped it. Thank you for being a good example
@MISSMADISONMEDIA
@MISSMADISONMEDIA 10 ай бұрын
I LOVE the final questions
@MISSMADISONMEDIA
@MISSMADISONMEDIA 10 ай бұрын
20:47
@lorenmilledge1569
@lorenmilledge1569 10 ай бұрын
So much love for Shan and respect for her honesty and vulnerability ❤
@neciajax
@neciajax 9 ай бұрын
Thank you. You said so many things that hold true. I appreciate this video.
@NeoShameMan
@NeoShameMan 10 ай бұрын
As someone who is also mixed, the thing that strucked me the most, is how people of different complexion talk about race issue. Mixed people like me say "black people", darker complexion kinda always start with "as a black person" , you know there is a different level of first hand experiences right there.
@tiahqueen758
@tiahqueen758 10 ай бұрын
Respect and thanks for being a real one.. I already new (tdot girl) but has to say here.
@sumluvv
@sumluvv 10 ай бұрын
Awww Shan! Thank you for your empathy and emotional intelligence! 🥰
@ivyvaughn7432
@ivyvaughn7432 10 ай бұрын
Great video Shan. Really appreciate the restrospective.
@AnnaM4117
@AnnaM4117 10 ай бұрын
Haven’t even finished the video yet but I already think it’s helpful lol. I have a Dominican friend who is obviously multiracial (as is the history of DR) and she’s so scared to claim any of her heritage bc she’s not a “citizen” to any one race/ethnic group. She acknowledges her heritage but doesn’t identify with any of it. I think telling her that she’s a “bridge” between communities will make her feel better about her mixed-ness and help with her identity. Which in the grand scheme of things is totally political. We can make educated guesses about most people’s race based on their phenotype and culture. But for the sake of social belonging, I understand why some people ask..
@alyshalight9762
@alyshalight9762 9 ай бұрын
I love that you mispronounce Erica's name as 'Mean-uh' because it really is fitting when you think about it. Appreciate you putting together such a thoughtful response to this situation.
@damarismoulterie4349
@damarismoulterie4349 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video, you are heard loved and respected. ❤
@SandZAcademy
@SandZAcademy 10 ай бұрын
Yes Shan. Thank you for being honest.
@ebonyb6603
@ebonyb6603 9 ай бұрын
It’s def a privilege to say I am black without being told u are black lol .
@lenaedyse9634
@lenaedyse9634 10 ай бұрын
You never know what is truly in a persons heart.
@TheVidaBee
@TheVidaBee 10 ай бұрын
Bravo, Shan!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@1TechExpert
@1TechExpert 8 ай бұрын
I like how you express yourself. Great job! I love your ability to reflect on yourself.
@indivijewelthoughtz1150
@indivijewelthoughtz1150 10 ай бұрын
i didn't start doing the work and understanding my identity until i was in my mid 40s. and i am sooooo thankful that i found community with mixed and biracial people who were doing the work. i understand why black people may not trust people who look or have experiences like me 😌 just another reason i admire you.
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