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Loop did tell the crew what was happening to Sif so they might understand them? and in such a short time period too, they will be more confused then angry afterwards if I'm honest, for the crew, they just see a friend that they did cared for him sudden turned into someone so unfamiliar. remember, the crew aren't in a loop, but i do feel like Odil is more calm and rational to her to forgive him, Isa becssue Sif did poke his own thoughts,( or he loves him too mcuh maybe xd) idk just my immediate thoughts (I think his anger is justifable, just pretty similar to others said)

Personally, I think his friends' reactions to his lashing out were well written, my issue with the ending was how sudden it was. After all of that, the only thing keeping him in the loops was the wish he made at the beginning of the game? And all he had to do was talk to them? I feel the end of the game was too much "power of friendship" for my liking. The tone that was set for the entire rest of the game simply didn't fit the ending to me. It's not that I hate happy endings, in fact, I was hoping the game would end well, but the way it was executed just felt forced and a bit rushed, I wish Act 5 was longer and that the party didn't just immediately figure out what they had to do by talking to Loop, I wish they'd figure it out by themselves, like what happens in the Suspicious Side-Quest with Odile. I love this game a lot and it's one of my favorites of all time, but the ending felt unsatisfying and a bit lame to me. Everything else was so perfect, but the ending was lackluster.

I honestly am thankful to see someone else's views on this! Personally I feel like I disagree with your criticisms, but I think it might solely be because of my own life experiences lol I've been on both sides of the situation, both being lashed out at and accidentally lashing out at people I care about, and I feel like this depiction of it is important no matter what, y'know? Personally this depiction of Siffrin's frustration spilling out is refreshing to see for me with how much I can relate to both sides of this. In Siffrin's anger, everything they had learned just slipped out, even if siffrin was in control of themself, their judgement was clouded by anger. I will say though that with isabeau and odile's forgiveness, I feel like the ways they forgive Siffrin simply just call to the kind of people they are. Everyone has their own thought processes, nature, and ability to tolerate emotional pain, and the logical nature of isabeau and odile allowed them to probably push away the hurt, and forgive Siffrin to allow themselves to heal. Your talking points are very well set up though and I can see how you've came to your decision! Very well done video!

I apolgozie if this is mentioned in the video but from what i get from the ending is that he lashed out because hes been thriugh it his friends never really stopped to talk with him, though not like siffrin said much themselves, but siffrin has his own thoughts and you can see him getting worse over time, i feel like he just kinda snapped, the stress, anxiety and all just was too much, and loop told thrm about well the loops he might have said how many times it happened and i think the group could come up with a pretty good theory from that, and we dont know how long theyve known eachother i dont know what they say as i havent reached the part myself but i think they care about sif a lot, they've been through a lot and even sif says its oksy if they don't forgive him making it possible they dont right away as well, he just went through this so many times he donest know what to say, do, as its messing with his head, maybe im being a bit empatheic right now as its just who i am but siff had been thtiugh so mcuh at this point and yeah taking it out in your friends is not a good idea but its not like he has a puching bag to take it out on (i guess the king), and it comes out to me like hes the quiet type, and from what we uderstand he was young when he lost his family he likely had no friends till them so he doesnt have a good example on how to take out that anger, theres a lot of things going into this and maybe im just thinking too much about it, but theres a lot of things that mix into this, its mostly showing that its better to be open the bottle it all up but who could siff talk to it about besides loop who tbh doesnt look like the most empathetic person themselves. But again thats my take.

I guess it depends what you mean by "held accountable". The way I see it you can look at this from a watsonian or doylist perspective (from the characters perspective with in-universe logic or from readers/players perspective as a piece of media. From the in-universe watsonian perspective his friends did hold him accountable for what he said. They just didn't hold him accountable 'enough' for your taste. But they did make their feelings clear in their individual ways and they chose not to throw Sif out as a friend in the end. Maybe if a friend of yours said something this bad to you, you would throw them out but Sifs friends chose not to. I think a lot of people in this comment section are arguing from this perspective and questioning if it's in character for them or not. I think it's subjective. It worked for you or it felt like too muchr. That's all I have to add to that conversation. I prefer the Doylist point of view. That is, seeing the game as a piece of media. I'm trying to be constructive but the points you make come off as a very purity culture takes. Like characters are required to be non problematic. (Spoiler alert for anyone reading this who hasn't played stop reading now) I mean it stop reading and go play this game yourself. Sif breaking down in this scene was very well foreshadowed in my opinion. They think barbed things about their friends throughout the game. (Isa being a coward, Odi being callous ect.) It was inevitably going to be said outloud. And even more revealing, we have an example of who Sif is at their worst. The absolute worst version of himself. Loop. Loop says all sorts of terrible things to Sif during their conversations (making fun of their touch therapy for example) and prods at Sif's insecurities just as often as they encourage Sif. There is a part of Sif that is cruel and does hold resentful thoughts and would throw people's insecurities in their faces. It's the shadow version that follows Sif around and who Sif fights but cannot defeat. Sif's shadow is really crucial to understanding them completely. When Sifs friends are carrying him to the head maiden the shadow is still following Sif. It's a part of him and even at the end he can't completely escape it. It comes back to the major theme of 'change'. You can change for the better with love, support and your own effort. But you can also change for the worse. That worst version of Sif would say those things to his friends. Sif will always have this potential in him and if that makes him an unlikable protagonist then it's not because he's poorly written and needs a re-write. And it's okay if you don't like Sif. I mean it. Not trying to be condescending. If Sif saying those things, even if it's his worst self speakinh makes you feel he crossed a line he can't uncross easily then it's okay to feel that. But that doesn't make the writing wrong.

I think the real issue from a writing stand point is that to us the player, it just looks like Siffrin just snaps, and in addition to your suggestions, which I approve, that the author in the future better lay out the seeds of Siffren's resentment ahead of time. But for me personally from a person who prefer the movies to the books, and appreicate writers who respect the player's time, so just rip the band aid off so that people can complete the game faster. As you yourself mentioned that you enjoyed the game so much that you wished it was even longer. However I'm glad that the writer sided with people like me instead who were also enjoying the story, but were tired of the loops and wanted the story to finally wrap up.

For me the issue is that all the lashing out Siffrin does is all back to back, which kind of diminishes the shock value of him dropping harsh truth bombs on the rest of the group. I figured out the route which was going to happen by Obi - that Sif was going to spout off at each member one by one and we're just along for the trainwreck. Not much earlier in the game, I got two dramatic reveals back to back. One being from the Isabau's quest in which Sif realises (atop the tower) that not setup will Isa confess his feelings to them. The other being the Head Maiden full reveal that the Wishes of the people were trapping Siffrin. By the organic nature of the game, I got two staticy broken music box sounding dramatic drops right next to each other. Kind of stepping on eachother's toes - emotionally speaking. That toe stepping is the problem and I don't foresee a way around it. Giving the player any kind of control over the situation might lead to players steering away but the plot demands it happen. Having any control over it makes it repeatable if a player only goes for 3/4 and then has to undergo the same reveals again. Not to mention it would mean writing a route where any combination of party members are pissed at Siffrin. Having the out lashing scenes be as repeatable as anything else in the game will diminish the impact of them so they are requried one & done and all together but having them be all together means they are all stepping on eachother's toes.

I don't think Odile scene was that bad Siffrin already lost two friend over his idea that everything would go as before and not having understood the journey that took to get there, so them being desperate to keep up that norm he knew, but being unable to put it well enough to do so successfully could be another reason he's angry about it And just as emotions can bring us higher than anything in the worst of times, like hope or love I think that it's reasonable that only emotions can bring out the worst of us I doubt that using Odile's past against them was intentional, but it could be that fear of abandonment, which already happened twice, that brought his anger out against them, since he expected the same, especially from someone, who from the context of the dialogue (hopefully I understood it) has already abandoned someone before I doubt they outright say it though The fear of abandonment and desperation to keep things normal going to their extreme, when they understood that it wasn't going to happen Especially with Odile always knowing that something is different All this hinges on their lack of understanding, why it all goes that way, so I can't confirm it for sure

Guess I'm gonna play this game and then come back to this video after I beat it

Yeah you pointed out issues that i can understand. They were good points. But there is a little problem here. Siffrin is trapped in a timeloop they can't escape from. As much as they want to make it stop they are not ready for changes (They talk it with loop in the "What will you do after the loop" dialogue) Of course they would hate changes, especially now that they need everyone to act the same. And he always hared that Odile was trying to figure him out. Tho, this makes more sense if you got the dialogue with Odile that figures out they are in a timeloop, since then Siffrin gets more angry at her. They heard for a lot of time they weren't friends until a time where Odile said they were family. The issue does kinda get resolve then but the anger could still linger. Yes, they have a deep fear of abandonment since they even made that wish to make them travel together. He didn't really want to insult her but he was angry, he was going insane. For isa instead part ofthe progression is skipped if you don't do the bad touch quest. In that Siffrin kisses Isa without asking them, when they can't put their hand on his shoulder. They get mad, that he looked at them like that. Shocked that he can't even do it themself because he won't accept (He actually doesn't know that, he loops before Isa can talk). They get more angry and they still are a little after the ending when Isa confesses. Anyway yeah, the forgivness is too fast, but i feel only for Odile, since she says her trust is broken when she figures out (during the timeloops) so yes with Odile it would make sense, since he doesn't say anything and insulted her. But for Isa i think he would forgive (but not forget), he loves him for who he is. It's not their fault that they were trapped in a timeloop.