Inclusivity Bias: Cleopatra

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BlackLightJack

BlackLightJack

Жыл бұрын

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@LucasLasuley
@LucasLasuley Жыл бұрын
I'm a native Egyptian ( I felt the need to say that in case someone thinks my opinion isn't valid because I'm an "Arab invader") and I'm so tired of people generalising all of Africa as the place with only black people when we all of our countries are so different and special so if non Egyptians want to represent our country they should do the research and not just listen to what their grandmother told them
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Жыл бұрын
I like how it was her grandmother, Not a historian, not a teacher, not even her mom, Just her grandmother..
@LucasLasuley
@LucasLasuley Жыл бұрын
​@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Exactly, what kind of credibility did her grandmother have?
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Жыл бұрын
@@LucasLasuley The credibility of the love she had for her… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA- Jesus
@SweetOrangeGirl
@SweetOrangeGirl Жыл бұрын
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 What was her grandma on?
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Жыл бұрын
@@SweetOrangeGirl Morphine from the hospital. She was probably dementia ridden.
@claytonrios1
@claytonrios1 Жыл бұрын
Along with Velma, Cleopatra is proof that sometimes a show can be so off the mark and so obviously false in everything that it tries that everyone agrees that it sucks. It's strangely heartwarming that way.
@Demolitiondude
@Demolitiondude Жыл бұрын
The Mindy show isn't a documentary though.
@claytonrios1
@claytonrios1 Жыл бұрын
@@Demolitiondude I know. But it's another massively hated show from this year.
@scratchcatmeowth5615
@scratchcatmeowth5615 Жыл бұрын
If Velma is an insult to an existing IP, then Queen Cleo and the woman king is an insult to history.
@Adamguy2003
@Adamguy2003 Жыл бұрын
@@Demolitiondude The idea is that both shows were so terrible that literally everyone, people of all races, ethnicities, ages, and political leanings, many of whom probably wouldn't agree with each other on most other matters, can agree with each other that those shows suck donkey- balls.
@holdencross5904
@holdencross5904 Жыл бұрын
Velma is also an example of what backlash you will get for raceswapping such a beloved characters.
@MobDraws69
@MobDraws69 Жыл бұрын
As a black creator this angers me greatly. I can completely understand the want to represent our people in history outside of slavery and times during segregation. The problem, however, arises when we make historically inaccurate fanfics to validate ourselves. It’s shameful and no different from instances of whitewashing in history.
@terminator572
@terminator572 Жыл бұрын
Its funny because every time they try to portray blacks in anything these days outside of slavery and segregation, they ALWAYS wrap around back to slavery and segregation lmao
@SaiyanGamer95
@SaiyanGamer95 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes, it feels like about 80% of black historical media focuses on the time of slavery or the time of segregation. Here's some ideas; do a historical show/movie about Yasuka, the African Samurai. Or even Anthony Johnson, a black indentured servant who became the very first slave owner in America. Have media just focused on life, rather than suffering.
@marylandgirl9246
@marylandgirl9246 Жыл бұрын
100% this. The idea of an African Queens series is awesome. But not if you're going to misrepresent them and mislead the audience.
@ShantesTravelThings
@ShantesTravelThings Жыл бұрын
Yes it is considering our textbooks are still teaching children that Africans are poor and were slaves then Martin Luther King came along and that it but please go off on how it's the same. Europe has several in depth chapters but African and African American history have a combined short chapter of one.
@ShantesTravelThings
@ShantesTravelThings Жыл бұрын
​@@SaiyanGamer95 😂haha you really think the white people in charge will allow that. They said no critical race theory. Those things included.
@08fighter08
@08fighter08 Жыл бұрын
I have some respect for Lupita Nyong'o because she was offered the role in Woman King movie but turned it down once she learned the history of the tribe by visiting the people who were actually affected by the tribe.
@matiusbond6052
@matiusbond6052 Жыл бұрын
research and learn something and stop allowing yourself to be led by the nose.-------...video........the cleopatra contraversy why yt egyptian elites so unhinged
@David-ox7ps
@David-ox7ps 7 ай бұрын
Cleopatra was able to accept her African and Greek heritage. To the Egyptians she was Isis, to the Romans she was Venus. You can be more than one thing
@Ananyas200139
@Ananyas200139 6 ай бұрын
​@David-ox7ps literally multiple female pharaohs and great wives were labelled as isis because the egyptians believed royals were gods on earth/vessels for gods and isis is one of the more known and highly revered female goddesses
@David-ox7ps
@David-ox7ps 6 ай бұрын
@@Ananyas200139 Prior to the Arab invasion the North African berbers were descended from dark skinned Garamantees who lived in the Sahara and are documented as coming in contact with the Romans. The Moors, of Morocco could equally be called black and have also been depicted as such in paintings and sculptures, the Couburg Moor is a good example. Modern Egyptians even have so-called sub saharan DNA (“Black DNA”) even at 10%, that means “black” ancestry according to the definition created by European colonists. Given cleopatra is likely 1/4 Egyptian according to Duane Rollers autobiography, she has “black” ancestry.
@WatanukiProductions
@WatanukiProductions Жыл бұрын
I can't get over how accidentally racist against black people Cleopatra is. You're making a series called "African Queens" the stated objective of this series is to shine a light on lesser known black female leaders to inspire black women and girls today. You make one season that focuses on a black historical figure... then immediately make a series about a woman who not only is one of the most widely known female leaders in history but one we know for a fact isn't black. It comes across like you're making fun of black women when you go, "There were so many black women in power who shaped our history." and then immediately go. "Sorry we could only think of one... are you inspired yet?"
@nicolasferreiro4492
@nicolasferreiro4492 Жыл бұрын
There's a previous season about another one who was actually black... and completely glosses over the fact she was a slaver.
@frostieschocopop
@frostieschocopop Жыл бұрын
They said "It's on the African Continent... gotta be black, whoopee!"
@sirloin8745
@sirloin8745 Жыл бұрын
They want to ‘shine a light’ on Cleopatra as a role-model for black women today? That’s the best example of family life they could think of?
@elleanna5869
@elleanna5869 Жыл бұрын
@@sirloin8745 even if black (and she wasn't) you must be sick in the head to find her "enpowering". A tragic figure of a skilled and charming woman, but failed on almost everything.
@moodchanger3470
@moodchanger3470 Жыл бұрын
dont forget the part where they still got some of the facts wrong even in the first season.
@thomaspunt2646
@thomaspunt2646 Жыл бұрын
When Assassin's Creed: Origins gave us a better portrayal of Cleopatra than a so-called 'documentary', you dun goofed.
@themphantom9138
@themphantom9138 Жыл бұрын
Hellsing Abridged Reference
@Ben-jq6by
@Ben-jq6by Жыл бұрын
Where does Cleopatra first meet Bayek?
@SaiyanGamer95
@SaiyanGamer95 Жыл бұрын
Dude, The Ten Commandments did a better portrayal of Egypt as a whole than Cleopatra. It does help that they had actual Egyptians involved.
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996 11 ай бұрын
Jack brought up a screenshot from Clone High, a cartoon about the clones of historical figures being in highschool...how is that more historically accurate than this documentary that probably had millions of dollars thrown at it?!
@quickman2663
@quickman2663 10 ай бұрын
​@@themphantom9138You done goofed was also a meme in 2010.
@SarcasticAriel
@SarcasticAriel Жыл бұрын
To be clear Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek. She was the descendent of one of Alexander the great's generals. Since she came from a royal family she was more than likely inbred making the odds of her being black incredibly low & unlikely. As for the dahomey amazons they were largely taken out by the French army. The dahomey tribe was forced to stop selling their people into slavery by the English ( British ) by created a naval blockade. There have been historically dark skinned ( nubian ) pharaohs they could have done a docuseries on. For example they could have adapted a story based on ahmose-nefertari a dark skinned nubian women.
@lanic6768
@lanic6768 Жыл бұрын
One of many sentences: ,, Against the narrative propaganda.”
@serafine666
@serafine666 Жыл бұрын
In actial fact, the number of epic African rulers, both kings and queens, that would make blockbuster movies is crazy. Some random person on Quora listed eight of them off the top of their head, and the summary they added made each one sound like a billion-dollar win for anyone that wanted to make them. The existence of legendary African rulers who towered over history and are being ignored by the "we wuz kangs" brigade adds all kinds of insult to the injury.
@SarcasticAriel
@SarcasticAriel Жыл бұрын
@@serafine666 I personally would have chosen queen nzinga if they wanted a sub Saharan african queen.
@moderatecanuck
@moderatecanuck Жыл бұрын
@@SarcasticAriel the first season of this show is about her. It shows how much Netflix didn't bother to market it
@SarcasticAriel
@SarcasticAriel Жыл бұрын
@@moderatecanuck I am willing to bet that series is inaccurate as well
@TheJcris87
@TheJcris87 11 ай бұрын
I remember my grandmother saying to me: "I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was a big tiddy goth girl."
@charleshultgren7804
@charleshultgren7804 22 күн бұрын
Your grandmother is very wise
@SunnysFilms
@SunnysFilms Жыл бұрын
What's especially hilarious is that they admit at every turn that she was Greek, yet they just keep saying that she was black because "we don't know what she looked like" (even though, in this case, we absolutely do). Also, the hair. My friend saw the hair and just went off. I don't mean just Cleo's. I mean her attendants/council's and the Romans'. It's so inconsistent and inaccurate and she kept pointing at the one councilwoman (yes, the entire council is female and black because of course it is) and going off about how she looked like Cindy Lou Who from the live-action Grinch.
@RoyCyberPunk
@RoyCyberPunk Жыл бұрын
According to the Globalist Left Woketard propaganda known as Murican Afrocentrism religion the entire planet was solely populated by Sub-Saharan Africans and all historical figures worldwide throughout all of recorded human history from Genghis Khan to Sitting Bull were all Sub-Saharan Africans until they were all mysteriously genocided and all trace including DNA and archeological evidence was magically erased and yes that's their core belief.
@user-wn3wv5bx5e
@user-wn3wv5bx5e 11 ай бұрын
It's not even just the depictions of Cleopatra that proves she's probably white. It's also the fact that her family was inbred, so the chances of a white Greek person with royalty entangling with a native African is severely low.
@stevencorrea8032
@stevencorrea8032 11 ай бұрын
Well if you was Caucasian they asked astronaut Al wooden do he believe in aliens. He replied yes I do everytime I look in the mirror. He said this planet is going to become inevitable for the Arabs orientals caucasians because of this radiation that's coming into the planets they must find a new home to live he said if he wants their species to survive this radiation is going to be too strong. So if hard descendants are Caucasian. They must find a new home are died from the radiation poisoning. Because there are not natural to this planet
@KlintKaras
@KlintKaras Жыл бұрын
Lol remember that Hitler also went "it'd make me happy if all these historic figures were my ethnicity... so I'm gonna assert that that's the case!" He even sent out tons of archeological groups to find proof for his headcannon. You know you're in the wrong when you find yourself overlapping with hitler.
@Barakon
@Barakon Жыл бұрын
Poe’s Law in action, and rightfully so!
@achocolatebiscuit5087
@achocolatebiscuit5087 7 ай бұрын
Himmler was even worse. Hitler called him a joke (indirectly). Himmler kept trying to find traces of "Aryans" in South Asia so he could have a reason to invade those lands as well.
@iconicweirdguy8678
@iconicweirdguy8678 Жыл бұрын
Claiming that Cleopatra must be black because she was born in a African country and was a leader of said counrty is the same as saying that George Washington had to have been Native American because he was born in America and was a leader of the United States
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын
Or Elon Musk… Elon Musk is an actual African - he was born in South Africa.
@matiusbond6052
@matiusbond6052 Жыл бұрын
george washing did not live in Land saturated with whites,he and Europeans were NOT native to America. Cleopatra was native African in a black land VIDEO......THE CLEOPATRA CONTRAVERSY WHY YT EGYPTIAN ELITES SO UNHINGED
@gew2027
@gew2027 11 ай бұрын
Emblem of the Americas1898 the real Americans
@tultsi93
@tultsi93 2 ай бұрын
I remember my grandmother saying to me: "I don't care what they tell you in school. Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim was a woman."
@ShioriMizuyamiKyu
@ShioriMizuyamiKyu Жыл бұрын
This takes me back to a time when I was lucky enough to meet a Holocaust survivor in middle school and asked him is it hard to talk about his experiences and trauma in which he said yes before crying. Shame on you Whoopi, shame on you!
@kodesh1674
@kodesh1674 Жыл бұрын
Tbh I chose Wakanda Forever over Woman King.
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996 11 ай бұрын
Whoopi Goldberg said that the Holocaust wasn't a big deal because it wasn't black people getting killed, completely ignoring the countless innocent men, women and children who were slaughtered like cattle because of Hitler's bullsh*t master race ideology... Welp, there goes my respect for another celebrity I used to like, it just went right down the drain. What does that make this, ten now? Eleven? I've honest to God lost count because my faith in humanity continues to dwindle with each passing day!
@Lavender_Chan
@Lavender_Chan Жыл бұрын
I’m so tired of seeing movies only forcing on representation instead writing original story. These kinds movies and comics are the main reason why I watch and read Asian movies and manga🤦‍♀️
@Disneyfan82
@Disneyfan82 Жыл бұрын
Why can't we end this crap ourselves and overthrow these idiots that should have been fired long ago?
@BiBiren
@BiBiren Жыл бұрын
Amen. I read and watch Dr Stone and that brought back my brain cells lost watching these sht show
@thebean6496
@thebean6496 Жыл бұрын
@@BiBiren Dr stone an amazing series I gotta finish
@cherryramensoup
@cherryramensoup Жыл бұрын
As a JJBA fan, I approve of this
@Titanic_Tuna
@Titanic_Tuna Жыл бұрын
@@cherryramensoup You have a legendary name.
@stickthelanding4785
@stickthelanding4785 Жыл бұрын
I cant belive jada smith basically straight up admitted to race swapping Cleo for her own selfish reason. Then again she has admitted to worse things.
@Adamguy2003
@Adamguy2003 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget, she also got some stupid, probably- senile old woman to chime in that her even more senile old granny (Who, btw, undoubtedly lived in the days of school segregation when schools for black children were really subpar and thus she likely did not have much in the way of education) told her as a kid "I don't care what they tell you in school. Cleopatra was black!" That's gotta be the ultimate trump card!
@assiaelmabrouki5552
@assiaelmabrouki5552 Жыл бұрын
We've known for a long time that she was a horrible person
@crystalwings4520
@crystalwings4520 Жыл бұрын
@@assiaelmabrouki5552 *she is still a horrible person
@lovelycloudyskies
@lovelycloudyskies Жыл бұрын
Like cheating on her husband. I feel bad for Will
@rosesongoku6980
@rosesongoku6980 Жыл бұрын
"An entanglement with……………" (stupidly long pause) "……… August."
@buffduckstudios
@buffduckstudios 11 ай бұрын
The worst part is, there WAS a story that is almost like Woman King that exists in history. Queen Nzinga, or Njinga as it’s her real name, was a queen in a time where the Portuguese and Dutch were kidnapping and enslaving people, even declaring war against Njinga. Her story is so impactful, I can’t describe it well enough here. They had the history and story to make something great, but they instead lied and are trying to twist history.
@metarcee2483
@metarcee2483 4 ай бұрын
I read a book about her when I was about eleven, and I was incredibly interested in her story. It's surprisingly hard to find detailed information, sadly. My schooling taught me that Europe basically steamrolled Africa with little to no resistance, and I thought that was weird, so finding stories like this always intrigues me.
@MaryFrankShelfy
@MaryFrankShelfy Жыл бұрын
As an Egyptian I'd like to just say how my mom has been watching stuff about the Cleopatra series angrily for weeks, she (and my whole family really) find it *insulting* that we are being denied our history and simply being named Arab invaders out of nowhere and with no proof and when logically thought about it you'd think otherwise. Not all Africans are black. Plain and simple. My classmates for years refused to believe (and some still forget) that Egyptians are Africans and simply called me Asian, ignoring anything I said regarding the matter and now there is this where it's practically the stealing of culture. It's literally so exhausting. It's not that hard to hire an Egyptian actress and its even easier to try and not rewrite history.
@burntgrahamcracker2866
@burntgrahamcracker2866 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen the argument that it was done the other way by people like Audrey Hepburn or more recently Gods of Egypt but both cases are pretty weak. Ones from the 50s and the others a work of fiction
@MaryFrankShelfy
@MaryFrankShelfy Жыл бұрын
@Burnt graham cracker people realise it cant be both ways right? Can they js pick a story omg
@lizardkid666
@lizardkid666 Жыл бұрын
Oh god the irony of hiring a British actress
@Ben-jq6by
@Ben-jq6by Жыл бұрын
You're not from Egypt. Why is this comment in English when Egypt's main language is Arabic?
@Bunny_Bill
@Bunny_Bill Жыл бұрын
@@Ben-jq6by what😭
@LemonadeStand618
@LemonadeStand618 Жыл бұрын
My gf was the first person who told me that Africans sold their own family members to the colonists. She mainly told me that bc I was getting upset at our history teacher for depicting everything so partially to the point where she praised John Brown for killing innocent children and people who didn't own slaves. After she told me that, it has officially solidified that teacher as being a complete jackass.
@LemonadeStand618
@LemonadeStand618 Жыл бұрын
@@nhojisdead4807 oh, in history we had to read all these old documents and I remember one was some kind of witness testimony from some woman who said her husband and two children were killed because of the Pottawatomie massacre. Their ages were never specified, I just kinda assumed they were either teenagers or little kids considering the fact that they still lived with their parents, from what I could tell it was mainly girls that had to stay with their parents because they couldn't purchase housing.
@moderatecanuck
@moderatecanuck Жыл бұрын
They didn't sell their own families, geezus xrist. They sold captive and weaker tribes
@Jane-ow7sr
@Jane-ow7sr Жыл бұрын
​@@moderatecanuck uhhhhhh no. They also sold their own families, or killed them if they were not good enough to sell. Like the elderly, the deformed, the crippled, even children like mainly girls etc.
@LemonadeStand618
@LemonadeStand618 Жыл бұрын
@@moderatecanuck yeh sorry to break to you, they just sold their family members
@Y2KFroggyAngel
@Y2KFroggyAngel Жыл бұрын
I was taught that John Brown murdered his own people because they were pro slavery while he was an abolitionist who wanted to free slaves by any means necessary, due to religion of course.🤔
@zeusdoesstuff
@zeusdoesstuff Жыл бұрын
"I Wasnt even old enough to bust a nut" is my new favorite form of measuring time. Thanks Jack.
@crimsonbladewielder1975
@crimsonbladewielder1975 Жыл бұрын
All of Egypt hating on this show is extremely BASED
@dudenamedzelda3179
@dudenamedzelda3179 Жыл бұрын
You know it's bad when Drunk History does a better job than the Cleopatra documentary.
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
Where did you pick that one,from the..... BAR???
@DTylerFultzVA
@DTylerFultzVA Жыл бұрын
"Cleopatra was black." "...That's a nice argument, ma'am. Why don't you back it up with a source?" "Source?! MY SOURCE IS I MADE IT THE F*** UP!"
@Guus115
@Guus115 Жыл бұрын
Granny told me
@DirtyTurtle67
@DirtyTurtle67 Жыл бұрын
But Granny said so!
@stevencorrea8032
@stevencorrea8032 Жыл бұрын
the sun uv-c love you
@melrobertson2743
@melrobertson2743 11 ай бұрын
Have to wonder where Gran learned that?....School or her own ignorance that if it's Africa it must be black??
@jahy-samatransferredintoto329
@jahy-samatransferredintoto329 2 ай бұрын
Her mother is saying that she’s probably high
@grace.stewartt4224
@grace.stewartt4224 Жыл бұрын
I cannot wrap my head around people disregarding tragedy if it doesn’t concern their race 😡
@bacht4799
@bacht4799 Жыл бұрын
I can .. it’s all about ego.. they see what they want to see because they can’t understand everything isn’t about them and theirs culture and it’s actually isn’t so much about race, gender or religion ect but culture instead where many has this idea that they themselves are in the moral right and can’t be in the wrong.. it’s was the same thing with religions groups it’s all about me and those who has my beliefs and opinions there is in the right
@Kid_Charlemagne76
@Kid_Charlemagne76 Жыл бұрын
Sounds just like the idiots who completely disregard white slavery
@Ben-jq6by
@Ben-jq6by Жыл бұрын
People like you exploit race when it gets you popularity.
@sirtalentless2548
@sirtalentless2548 Жыл бұрын
@@Ben-jq6bywhat
@Crawlingdreams418
@Crawlingdreams418 Жыл бұрын
idk if it was mentioned in the comments yet, but lupita was almost a part of the woman king movie, but she did some research on the Dahomey tribe and left the project
@godzillaboy011
@godzillaboy011 Жыл бұрын
YAS QUEEN
@Adamguy2003
@Adamguy2003 Жыл бұрын
@@godzillaboy011 Indeed, that is actually justified for her! She showed genuine courage by doing that.
@princekiro1596
@princekiro1596 Жыл бұрын
Cleopatra in Astérix & Obélix: Mission Cleopatre is the most accurate portrayal I've seen. Hell, the movie even SAYS that she was Greek.
@marko-gj1uj
@marko-gj1uj Жыл бұрын
That movie was great
@lizardkid666
@lizardkid666 Жыл бұрын
@@marko-gj1uj Loved Astérix and Obélix since the comics
@marko-gj1uj
@marko-gj1uj 11 ай бұрын
@@lizardkid666 I watched animated adaptations and played XXL games when I was a kid. Ever heard of Lucky Luke? I read comics me or my Grandma would borrow from library.
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996 Жыл бұрын
"I remember my grandmother saying to me: "I don't care what they tell you in school. Cleopatra was black"." So...are you just gonna ignore all the ancient paintings and scriptures and sculptures found by archeologists that clearly stated that Cleopatra was not black and that she was originally from Greece? Or are you gonna claim that they were all actually liars or they forged all those artifacts to gain recognition and notoriety in the Historian world? *Sigh* If your grandma told you that, then I get the feeling she flunked out of school because she refused to listen to what her teachers told her and was just bitter about it. Change my mind!
@internetjerk2839
@internetjerk2839 Жыл бұрын
It's sad but pretty common for the previous generation of blacks to constantly put down the next generation and keep them stupid it just spiteful jealousy "I can't become nutin so yous ain't gonna be nutin"
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
See our grannies teachers were colonizers.They knew better than listen to those.
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996
@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996 Жыл бұрын
@@dingalodingalo8447 My grandma came to the US from the Dominican Republic, and I bet even she knows that Cleopatra wasn't black but from Greece! That is basic information you learn in middle school, it should not be a hard concept for anyone to grasp!
@AmaryInkawult
@AmaryInkawult Жыл бұрын
It's also a lot of Afrocentrism, aka Black Fetishism masking as a legitimate ideology.
@Guus115
@Guus115 Жыл бұрын
It's black supr3macy
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын
Black Fascism…
@AmaryInkawult
@AmaryInkawult Жыл бұрын
@@allangibson8494 that's what I said, Fetishism. 9 out of 10 fascists are a fetishist. What about the last guy? He's being non consensually fucked by the other nine.
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure your grandfather taught you fetishism.We don't do that.Go dig your history you will come back a better man.
@akirafudo4419
@akirafudo4419 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The real Cleopatra hardly ever wore Egyptian style clothing. Instead, she chose to wear a Greek clothing and Greek hairstyles. This is noted by her bust, portraits and coins featuring her face. She only ever wore Egyptian clothing for religious ceremonies and grand parties. While living in Rome she would wear Egyptian clothing for public events and parties. Cesar even had a statue made of her and placed it in a temple, this was very controversial. Also there is a portrait of Cleopatra in Pompeii where she is wearing her hair in a Greek bun and wearing her famous Diadem and pearl earrings. In this portrait her hair is red but it was most likely dark/brown in real life.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын
Actually blonde (Alexander) and redheaded Macedonian’s were not unknown. There are four portraits and statues of Cleopatra that show her with red hair.
@akirafudo4419
@akirafudo4419 Жыл бұрын
@@allangibson8494 I know Alexander was a blonde and had heterochromia. But Cleopatra‘s family did practice 300 years worth of incest, so yeah, her having red hair is very likely if her gene pool is very small.
@yukilaserpe7700
@yukilaserpe7700 Жыл бұрын
Romans were obsessed with red hair, and it was common for women to dye their hair.
@zeeshuuveni8600
@zeeshuuveni8600 Жыл бұрын
I'm a black African and I can say this unlike black Americans we in Africa are not the same. I live in Namibia I'm not the same as a Nigerian, just like a Swedish person is different from a Italian.
@akirafudo4419
@akirafudo4419 Жыл бұрын
Whhhhhhat? Are you saying that Africa is a continent and not a country with one language and culture and traditions? gasp. I feel like people forget that there is a massive geographical divide in Africa. A dessert separates the north and central, mountains separate east Africa from Arabia etc. it’s like how Italy has the Swiss Alps or how India has the Himalayas.
@zeeshuuveni8600
@zeeshuuveni8600 Жыл бұрын
@@akirafudo4419 even in my own country we have 13 different languages groups, with 11 being native and 2 European. And that just one country out of 54 in Africa.
@akirafudo4419
@akirafudo4419 Жыл бұрын
@@zeeshuuveni8600 wow that is very interesting. I once had a conversation with an American who said “Modern day Egyptians don’t speak the ancient language so they aren’t really Egyptians” I’ve told them “ So? Many central and souther African countries speak European languages does that mean they are no longer indigenous?” I even mentioned how in Sudan and in Somalia Arabic is the national language.
@zeeshuuveni8600
@zeeshuuveni8600 Жыл бұрын
@@akirafudo4419 English is the official language of all but 3 countries in Southern Africa and the 3 Angola and Mozambique speak Portuguese, while DRC speak French in fact it has the largest French speaking population in the world more then France itself meaning it is the center of the French world.
@akirafudo4419
@akirafudo4419 Жыл бұрын
@@zeeshuuveni8600 I’ve even told him that. But according to this American they are no longer African because they speak a different language.
@stickthelanding4785
@stickthelanding4785 Жыл бұрын
First her infidelity and now this? Jada is a real piece of work.
@minisnakali
@minisnakali Жыл бұрын
She was greek 🤣 I cant believe they chose to blackwash Cleopatra over actually telling the story of one of the real black african queens. I don't understand people who need to be the same skin color to like a character, I don't understand why why people can't relate to people just because of their skin color. I'm of mixed descent, but I look mostly white. That said I adore figures like Yoruichi from bleach and Mikasa from AOT. Raising kids to think "you can't like that because they don't have the same color as you." Is disgusting to me. I don't know about you but I don't look at dogs and go "your fur looks like that so you're completely different and can't play with from this other dog of the same damn race because its fur is different from yours"
@soheesweetheart
@soheesweetheart Жыл бұрын
It’s about the representation, for a long time white has been ( considered ) the default. To the point in where the race of a mermaid, In which her skin or race has nothing to do with the plot of the story or her experiences within the tale. Bothers people to the upmost degree. More so than school shootings. It’s about being able to see yourself in a position that more than likely, excluded you. It’s already disappointing that life will hand you many hinderances because of racism, colorism, sexism, etc. but being able to see people, who look like you, be in positions that you never thought was possible, because of circumstances, actually does a ton for a child’s development. No one ( who understands the plight) is raising their child in a way that teaches them that they cannot relate to a certain character because of skin color. It’s an inherent disconnect. And it’s a struggle to try and find similarities between, blonde hair blew eyed Sarah ann, and dark skin, brown eyed, kinky haired, Eugenia. Who experiences will greatly differ. Many descendants of immigrants, had to disassociate them selves from their culture, just to assimilate into, “ default whiteness” ( Italian, Jewish, Romani, asian, African, etc) Many black children are told that anime is not for them ( especially black girls who are believed to not like anime) or that it’s highly unlikely for them to be apart of fantasy realm’s such as elves, mermaids, game of throne Targaryens, because of history. Though it’s fantasy. ( and history teaches contradictory towards belief)
@TheMasochistKnight
@TheMasochistKnight Жыл бұрын
@Soheesweerheart No. that argument might be valid in regards to some random TV show or cartoon or anime as you mentioned. (No, it’s not.) but This is supposed to be a historical documentary… About a real person that actually existed. Just because someone feels like they have not been represented properly in media (which is absolute bull today, Black people are represented in every facet of media), it does not give you the right to place yourself into someone else’s culture. To change a whole group of people, real people, just to make you feel better. And why do the Targaryens have to be black? That has nothing to do with history, it has to do with the way a writer wrote a specific lineage. Mermaids are also part of folklore European folklore. Other cultures have similar types of creatures that are literally ripe for picking when it comes to making your own movie or TV show about them. Elves as we know them today were pretty much created by Tolkien, who literally said he created them (and all of the lotr lore) to be a type of English folk story because he felt like England was lacking in terms of their own folklore compared to other European nations and other cultures in general. Regardless of any of that, every country, every race, every group of people has their own culture and their own historical figures. So much available for content in regards to media. Why do you have to be represented by things that white people created? Why do you have to turn white people into some other race? Do you not feel like these other cultures stories and people are as interesting and deserving of their own light? Do you think “white” history and culture is superior in someway?
@soheesweetheart
@soheesweetheart Жыл бұрын
@@TheMasochistKnight If you’re racist just say that. My post was giving a deeper understanding to the importance of representation, not this vids initial claims. To which I don’t think Cleo was black anyways, nor do I personally claim her as one or want to. There’re much better African Queens whose history isn’t chopped down just to aesthetics and love. Also, white/nor Europeans own mermaids, or a specific fairytale etc. Mermaids are apart of African and Caribbean cultures, which predates Europe. And no black people ( or Poc) is not represented if every facet of media, but it seems that way when one group has been catered too for over 400 centuries right? All that has been asked could be said of white/ European people. Who has actually white washed not only history, but many fantasy characters, ( ex like scarlet witch). Or placed themselves as the center of many ethnically based films. God’s of Egypt, The African Queen, China Town, The Last Samurai, Ramen Girl. Ones who used everyone Race and cultures as aesthetic and has profited off of it ( gentrification). In music, tv, clothing, books, fantasy, food, films, and a myriad of other things. I mean even Jesus was white washed, despite him being west Asian. I have no yearn to want to see Poc try and assimilate into media’s that were once or were once believed, to be predominantly “white”. A because white people only understand cultural boundaries when it comes to their own, but not when it comes to other cultures. You’re ( white) are allowed to dip your toe into every racial and cultural pot, under the guise of inclusivity, progression, and cultural sharing and trade. But the moment one of us ( Poc) wants to see what y’all have to offer. Then it’s met with that black washing, Race swapping, Ariel can’t be black, Snow White can’t be Latino, history In fantasy, create your own. But the moment we do create a space for us, then we’re met with, that’s offensive, that exclusionary, this is going backwards, this Is racist, two wrongs don’t make a right. Miss Black America, Shutdown because white women were exclude, though miss America rejected black women when they asked to Integrate into the competition. Black panther and how white people voiced that the movie wasn’t just for black people to enjoy, though it was only said the movie was made to represent a particular group. The Box braids debate, and literally lists more. You cannot have both. Don’t exclude us from your realm, but get mad when we create representation for ourselves that do not include y’all.
@kaido3051
@kaido3051 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheMasochistKnightfirst off the only people tha ae doing that are celebrities and Hollywood 2nd the face of everything is white and you don't believe that then you are ignorant almost 90% of shows are filled with white actors white cast everything it's just in the recent years that people of color have been represented in movies and shows I'm not saying we haven't had tha I'm just saying majority of shows have a white cast
@coreylevine8095
@coreylevine8095 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of Black people in history and Events about Black people out there like Queen Amanirenas,Yasuke the Black Samurai,Gustav Baldin,Sara Forbes Bonetta,Estevanico,The 1781 founded of Los Angeles,The Battle of Castle Itter,and Kenny Washington of the Los Angeles Rams
@plumaDshinigami
@plumaDshinigami Жыл бұрын
To add to the list of how history is twisted to validate ignorant first-world idiots in the first place, there's a new game called "Ecumene Aztec" which is by people who watched Apocalypto (a movie about the Mayans, NOT the Aztecs) and nothing else to do research. It fails as a historically accurate game due to the fact it: -Portrays Aztecs as heroes when in reality they were the bloodiest of all warmongering tribes in Mexico, often eating their enemies if not downright destroying them physically and/or spiritually -Conquistadors are the only bad guys which is not true since the Spanish stopped all human sacrifices - sure, they traded mirrors for silver and gold to line their pockets, no one was a saint nor is one during war. -Has the Aztecs beaten and backed into a wall to portray them as underdogs when in reality it was the Spanish who suffered a brutal defeat at the hands of the Aztecs in their first encounter, the Aztecs torn them to bloody ribbons -Acts as if the main character is an underdog when the tribes oppressed by the Aztecs were sacrificed to gods, which was the reason they allied themselves with the Spanish to take down the Aztecs -It takes place in a ruined, forest area when that's more about Yucatan where Mayans were; Tenochtitlan in its prime was a colorful place full of red and white buildings and it was next to a lake Yes, I can go on, but it's the same case as with The Woman King, and it's annoying since it pretends to be historically "accurate" which only comes off as gaslighting.
@Adamguy2003
@Adamguy2003 Жыл бұрын
I thought Apocalypto was about the Mayans, not the Aztecs?
@plumaDshinigami
@plumaDshinigami Жыл бұрын
@@Adamguy2003 That's why I say that's the one movie they seem to have seen for their "research" on the game, to further emphasize they got the tribe all wrong. I should've clarified, sorry.
@burntgrahamcracker2866
@burntgrahamcracker2866 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I’ve read up on Aztec sacrifice pretty brutal especially the one where they use a guy as target practice
@plumaDshinigami
@plumaDshinigami Жыл бұрын
@@burntgrahamcracker2866 I don't remember which tribe, but there is a ball game called tlachtli which usually had the winners... get their hears ripped out and their bodies devoured to honor them as a way to indicate they were closer to the gods. Yeah, that's what you got for winning a ball game.
@TheMamaluigi300
@TheMamaluigi300 Жыл бұрын
Now I imagine GTA: Aztec
@ThatStupidSodaJerk
@ThatStupidSodaJerk Жыл бұрын
" ignore school unless they say the things that we agree with"
@frop_8750
@frop_8750 Жыл бұрын
Asterix and Obelix is more historical than "Cleopatra".
@digimonalvatrax2738
@digimonalvatrax2738 Жыл бұрын
Even the old cartoons😂
@leonlinn7910
@leonlinn7910 Жыл бұрын
I'm getting tired of hearing all the buzz words, "Inclusivity", "representation", "for modern audiences" They all feel the same, so what's even the point of having different movies?? Well, other than dropping the quality more and more
@Maria-pb2jr
@Maria-pb2jr Жыл бұрын
As a Greek person I admire Egyptian history and queen Cleopatra was a joined historical part of both our cultures . How egotistical and delusional are some people to distort that for attention ?
@mirai5451
@mirai5451 Жыл бұрын
They are People who have forgotten their history and roots , and now stealing other peoples history
@HeraclesN-fp1bw
@HeraclesN-fp1bw Жыл бұрын
With media like this I feel like series like Mel Brook’s The History of the World, Asterix & Obelix, & Horrible Histories you can actually enjoy while learning about history
@Adamguy2003
@Adamguy2003 Жыл бұрын
There's also the sadly short- lived WB animated show 'Histeria.' That was how I first really learned about the Tudors, and laughed pretty hard doing so.
@HeraclesN-fp1bw
@HeraclesN-fp1bw Жыл бұрын
@@Adamguy2003 Your right I love that show
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
Who is mel Brooks if not someone who also read from others.She was taught and influenced by those before her.She is not the gospel.
@lovelycloudyskies
@lovelycloudyskies Жыл бұрын
@@dingalodingalo8447 Mel Brooks is a guy who’s a famous comedian
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
@@lovelycloudyskies Fame is relative.Michael Jackson was the most famous but there are people who've never see/heard him.I don't know why you are so insistent on assuming identity that's not yours.Wait till American/British empire falls the truth will come out.Look at their propaganda in ukraine
@richardpankow4714
@richardpankow4714 Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the things you try to pass of as fact with the line "I don't care what they told you in school"
@babyrodent
@babyrodent Жыл бұрын
This was something I already mentioned in my earlier reply from your Community post with the upload schedule, but as someone who is neither Egyptian nor Egyptian descent (as in I'm white as ranch dressing) and seeing actual Egyptians' reactions to how Cleopatra is being portrayed, I honestly do not blame the reactions at all and I frankly would rather not undermine the reactions, either. As I said already, it's one thing for content like Hamilton, Bridgerton, or SIX to present historical figures in a modern take because they're presented as being fictionalized with artistic license to change details. But it's another for Cleopatra to be propped up as a "nonfictional historical documentary" when it presents a lot of claims that aren't backed up by credible sources, therefore making it a target of a lot of scrutiny for criticisms as a result from actual Egyptians. And honestly speaking, I don't know what's more insulting-- making up unsubstantiated claims about a historical figure from ancient Egyptian history without even considering the consequences or sweeping actual Egyptians' criticisms as being "racist". As for the Woman King, I've already mentioned how I've heard of criticisms from actual Africans about the film depicting their history and, just like with Cleopatra, I'm not going to undermine their reactions. However, there is one thing I found out while looking into The Woman King, which I found out from its TV Tropes page of all things. To summarize, one of the characters in the film was most likely based off of a real-life Brazilian trade partner of the Dahomey and who was recorded to be mixed race... while said character in the film is played by (and portrayed as) a white guy. In other words, The Woman King- while trying to have the message of "racism is bad"- intentionally/unintentionally pulled a racism and did whitewashing on a historical figure.
@lovelycloudyskies
@lovelycloudyskies Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure SIX the musical was about Henry VII’s six wives, who were real people.
@gew2027
@gew2027 11 ай бұрын
Their Dom Egyptians not the original
@metarcee2483
@metarcee2483 4 ай бұрын
​@@lovelycloudyskies yup. And they're fictionalized versions of themselves, with their real characteristics exaggerated for the sake of the show's overall stylization.
@marieassaad-faltas1299
@marieassaad-faltas1299 11 ай бұрын
Most important correction: Child birth in Ancient Egypt was NOT dangerous. The Ancient Egyptians had invented birthing chairs that are even mentioned in the Bible, in Genesis, when Pharaoh tried to rebuke the Hebrew midwife for not drowning every male Hebrew newborn, the Hebrew midwife answers Pharaoh that Hebrew women give birth so easily the whole thing is done before the midwife even arrives. Also in the Bible, in Genesis, they knew how to unlock what in obstetrics is called locked twins. That was when Rebecca was giving birth to Esau and Jacob. What really made childbirth dangerous are the unhygienic conditions of Austrio-Hungarian hospitals in the 18th and 19th Centuries. Look up Simmelweiss and Simms and Pasteur. No hard feelings, though. BTW, the reason that woman's grandmother told her "Cleopatra was black" is that, early in 20th Century America, black beauty products were called Cleopatra. Read Toni Morrison's Jazz. That's where all that insanity came from: a name of some beauty soap for early 20th Century black women who migrated from the South to northern cities. Peace!
@agm5424
@agm5424 Жыл бұрын
I have always said/believed that the whole representation thing was nothing more than a "first step" to rewrite history itself in a way that benefits the people in charge, aka the state/ruling class that control the schools that propagates this ideas. It goes like this: First: They start by doing something like giving the mantel/title of fictional characters of a specific gender/ethnicity to another character of another gender/ethnicity. Think turning the Falcon into the "new" captain america or having not Pete Parker as the "new Spider Man. Second: They now start changing the ethnicity of fictional characters, think not-shaggy in the velma show and King Grayskull from He-man as an example. Third: Now they begin changing the ethnicity/gender of historical characters in historical fiction, while making little to no changes to the story itself. Think of shows like the Vicking show, the one with the british queen and the poc Cesar. Fourth: They change the history itself, whether is the events or the description of the people themselves, in fictional history shows. Examples being the Woman King movie and probably this Cleopatra show. And then fifth: they change history itself by changing the books or the documentaries that talk and are supposed to teach real world history itself.
@lou9635
@lou9635 Жыл бұрын
The first step doesn't bother me. It's just a fictionnal title, if the story is good, do whatever you want. The second step is weird but I see it most lazy than anything else. When creators are too lazy to create their own characters for their own beliefs, they're too lazy to write a good story. So 100% of the time everyone finish by forgotting this kind of representation. The third step is only acceptable if it's crystal clear that it's not our history, that the change destroy the character (having an Indian Christophe Colomb would be stupid) and the minority are not just the good guys. The rest is dangerous.
@Barakon
@Barakon Жыл бұрын
@@lou9635 Well, of course serpents weaponized this otherwise harmless thing.
@mirunacristea9539
@mirunacristea9539 Жыл бұрын
The first step does not bother me tbf because miles morales and falcon only take over capitaine america and spiderman. Like, they do not erase the history of Peter Parker or original Capitaine America, they are succesors in the hero identity, not the whole personal identity (is like a king dying, then his son taking the crown. Yes, the son is now the king but it doesnt erase his father history as the king). However, the new Ariel for example is not presnted as "another universe ariel" or something, she is presented as the ariel. It has gotten to the point that artists on twitter get called racists over making fanart with the original ariel design..
@Barakon
@Barakon Жыл бұрын
@@mirunacristea9539 That’s what I meant, they took the idea of alternate depictions, and politicized it to no end. Fan had Black Ariels of all timelines and all ratings, but Disney wants to erase its past and demean animation even though it’s a dignified art. It’s one thing to have alternate universe & alt characters like the Spiderverse, it’s another to act like Diavolo from part 5 if he was a Crystal gem.
@DayDreamingWriters
@DayDreamingWriters Жыл бұрын
​@@gircakes But Calling Miles Morales as Someone who tried to Erase Peter Parker was kind of untasteful Since Miles only shared with SpiderMan the Spider Skills. He was his own character with just similar Powers.
@TroyLuthor95
@TroyLuthor95 11 ай бұрын
As a black black person myself I couldn’t agree more with everything stated in this video. Subscribed ✅
@ShiningFingerStudio
@ShiningFingerStudio Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for not forgetting/ignoring that Whoopie Goldberg essentially denied the Holocaust, considering how she got away with a slap on the wrist, I don't think enough people talk about that.
@SaiyanGamer95
@SaiyanGamer95 Жыл бұрын
Well, to be fair, she didn't deny the Holocaust. She said it "wasn't originally about race", which was still wrong anyway.
@ShiningFingerStudio
@ShiningFingerStudio Жыл бұрын
That's the thing. The Holocaust was a genocide, and a genocide is typically defined as the deliberate killing of all members of a racial group, typically by members of another racial group. By stating that it was done within the same racial group, she is denying the idea that it was a genocide.
@ShiningFingerStudio
@ShiningFingerStudio Жыл бұрын
Even if it's only indirectly, well I'm pretty sure Ms. Goldberg has accused far more innocuous implications of being racist "dog whistles" herself.
@lovelycloudyskies
@lovelycloudyskies Жыл бұрын
@@SaiyanGamer95 Wasn’t it about how Hitler massacred Jewish people because they were Jewish, henceforth racism?
@yukilaserpe7700
@yukilaserpe7700 Жыл бұрын
@@SaiyanGamer95 partially it was not about race, for example homosexuals and disabled people were eliminated because they were not productive, Jews, romani, shinty ecc... Were attacked majorly by Race. Many shinty have been sterilized, and eliminated. Still i find outrageous that people remember only the Jewish, in Italy for example we eliminated about 10.000 slavics
@mirunacristea9539
@mirunacristea9539 Жыл бұрын
I feel sad when i see stunts like this pulled. Tbf i did not care about the Woman king becuse it was not presented as a documentary or historically accurate, so i was like "meh, who care ?" but cleopatra is a documentary ffs. One of the things i hated is that they presnted her as a "queen who didnt bow down to no man" and i was like, wtf are they talking about ? THIS is the reason i loved Cleopatra, because she used any mean to get on the roman's good side and keep Egypt safe from them. She walked over her ego and seduced Cesar and Anthony in order to keep her people safe, as a good ruler should. But i also was sad to see that she is black. If we did not know her ethnicity, i would understand the cast choice, but that is not the case. Inclusivity is good but why race swap a white character or historical figure when you can make a new black one or talk about black history instead.. Is more insulting to black people than to white people, is as if hollywood tells black people that their history is not interesting enough to talk about. Their history doesnt stop at slavery,, its as diverse and interesigng as european hiostory and should be talked about. Black people and any other minority deserve better than this cash grabbing bs technique.. I also have to say, how hypocritical is, from woke americans/british, who always talk about colonisation, to change anothe's country history without their consent and shame them for not taking bs.. That is something a coloinizer would do, history is written by the winners type of vibe...
@RoyCyberPunk
@RoyCyberPunk Жыл бұрын
That maybe so but they still showcase slavers as heroes.
@Swandog1343
@Swandog1343 Жыл бұрын
A film about the Agojie of Dahomey would have been a great idea if it didn't rewrite history and glorify a kingdom that built most of its wealth from the slave trade. The real King Ghezo once boasted how Dahomey women sang their children lullabies about enslaving their enemies. I'm surprised anyone would even want Cleopatra to be black and a role model for little black girls when she was queen of a whole empire that practice slavery and kept a whole retinue of slaves to attend her. She probably had her own female slaves entertain visiting emissaries from other countries for the night.
@nonamerebel1110
@nonamerebel1110 Жыл бұрын
My problem with Cleopatra is that they choose beautiful actress to play her. This is supposed to be a documentary! Not live action of Clone High or Monster High! It's a HISTORICAL FACT that Cleopatra wasn't beautiful. She was short, have a huge nose, and really manly facial features. But she was SMART! She was called the most beautiful not for her appearance, but for her brain!
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 Жыл бұрын
You had me until that last sentence.
@nonamerebel1110
@nonamerebel1110 Жыл бұрын
@@wakkaseta8351 what? Ask your teacher. Cleopatra's knowledge and oratorical skills make people fall in love with her. Not her looks!
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 Жыл бұрын
@@nonamerebel1110 Woke revisionism.
@sikawhite5278
@sikawhite5278 Жыл бұрын
@@nonamerebel1110 I’ve never heard of this information on Cleopatra. Do you think you could point to a source?
@nonamerebel1110
@nonamerebel1110 Жыл бұрын
@@sikawhite5278 school library... But it was so long ago since I graduated so I can't now 😭 But I'm pretty sure you can find some books about Cleopatra in your local library 🙂
@ak9k472
@ak9k472 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy, time for the Jack boi to tear into this “documentary”
@tultsi93
@tultsi93 2 ай бұрын
Not related to this, but now I want Jack to tear apart a reality TV show called "MILF Manor." (And maybe watch and trash it with his friends.) It's basically about older women dating each other's sons who're in their 20s or so, hanging out in a mansion and playing games like "recognize your son with touching his chest while blindfolded", "tell the most embarrassing moment in your life", and "the dance contest." (I watched the JLongbone video.) It's so gross that I was thinking if the genders had been reversed, the show would've never been greenlighted at the first place! It raised lots of controversy last year, and it has season 2 now! The show's whole production and consept scream Inclusivity Bias!
@lonekirin905
@lonekirin905 Жыл бұрын
Unlike England, Egypt fought back
@stevencorrea8032
@stevencorrea8032 Жыл бұрын
the sun uv-c
@lorettalynn2610
@lorettalynn2610 Жыл бұрын
I can understand inaccuracies in period dramas but making the most blatant mistake is a big no
@CrazyGamebino
@CrazyGamebino Жыл бұрын
i would have used blackwashing instead of inclusivity bias but either works and has most of the same points actually now that i think about it they're the same point worded differently edit realized cleopatra was only the jumping off point and not the sole premise of the vid og point still stands though
@SarcasticAriel
@SarcasticAriel Жыл бұрын
the cleopatra documentary is also a prime example of Afrocentrism
@CrazyGamebino
@CrazyGamebino Жыл бұрын
@@SarcasticAriel yeah i never understood lumping a entire continent as one thing its a better comparison to call them states because i know for a fact as a Texan my streams of culture and influence are entirely different to that of a Californian even then it's not 1:1 since these are actual nations and not states under one country obligated to stand the other even though texas was formally a country for 5-10 years or somewhere in that timeframe before joining the union so why treat Egyptians like the people of Zimbabwe when they are different peoples separated by 5k KM when TX and CAL are barely more than a 1/5th the distance actively insulting the very people by saying your Africans not Egyptian not Sudanese just the generic title African
@SarcasticAriel
@SarcasticAriel Жыл бұрын
@@CrazyGamebino lumping different groups of people into one giant group seems to be something very common in california. It's why I dispease the fake term "People of colour" because having a term like that further lumps different groups of people together instead of acknowledging them as separate individuals
@Juuchan17
@Juuchan17 Жыл бұрын
I hate that I actually paid money to see "The Woman King" in theaters. It wasn't until some time AFTERWARDS that I learned how HORRIBLY inaccurate the film really was. Man, that just really sucked... and I'm so upset that I fell for it. Apparently the term "Inspired by True Events" is a very EXTREMELY loose way of saying "watch us transform some really awful historical stuff into some fan-ficcy power fantasy badassery for black women as a way to make money".
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын
Like presenting the Nazi’s as the hero’s of WW2…
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
What's the problem,cause all these movies/docus are false.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 Жыл бұрын
@@dingalodingalo8447 Because violent dipshits believe they are true. Africa is full of black Neo-Nazis (look up “Afrocentric theory” as an example).
@lovelycloudyskies
@lovelycloudyskies Жыл бұрын
@@dingalodingalo8447 Cleopatra was a real person who was Greek, not black
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
@@lovelycloudyskies So is Michael Jordan of america
@jthablaidd
@jthablaidd 11 ай бұрын
Imagine if someone made a Martin Luther king Jr documentary and cast Jim Carrey to act as him, how much you wanna bet the cleopatra developers would start crying and kicking their feet?😂
@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming
@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming Жыл бұрын
It's just so hilarious to me how edutainment shows (i am an Octonauts and Wild Kratts enjoyer) designed for the whole family to watch are a million times more factual and educational than these terrible pieces of media Netflix spent MONEY on. If only that money was spent on actually good shows that got axed...rip Inside Job.
@alexv3372
@alexv3372 Жыл бұрын
As a octonauts and wild kratts enjoyer I agree with your opinion and think that this is wrong on so many levels
@rurihime4965
@rurihime4965 Жыл бұрын
That's the first time in years I hear someone mention the Wild Kratts
@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming
@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming Жыл бұрын
@@rurihime4965 the show's pretty alive, the first few episodes of the new season 7 came out recently, and they're pretty good
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
That's in your head.Childrens shows are/can be propagandised
@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming
@SUPAREALcutechickdGaming Жыл бұрын
@@dingalodingalo8447 that's a fair point (though honestly it feels a bit rude with the initial sentence). Exhibit A: the dreaded Proud Family: Louder and Prouder. Kid-friendly shows are allowed to touch on current events; it's just a matter on how well it's written and digestible instead of being outright propaganda. There's Octonauts Above & Beyond where many of the episodes touch on climate change's effects and how it harms wildlife, and then there's Louder and Prouder being so over-the-top with race issues and all that (and I want to beat Maya into a pulp), not to mention that stupid episode throwing Zoe under a bus. Also Netflix is making too many L's, can't even spend money on good content and crying about password sharing.
@optimize0
@optimize0 11 ай бұрын
I'm not black. But I have no idea why something like Sunjata hadn't got a movie. It's a wonderful African story that depics overcoming hardships. The stories are already there... Just use them!
@RoyCyberPunk
@RoyCyberPunk 11 ай бұрын
It goes against the Globalist Left Woketard propaganda known as Murican Afrocentrism religion eternal victimhood narrative.
@metarcee2483
@metarcee2483 4 ай бұрын
I've never heard of Sunjata. Can you give me a summary? Since you seem to know what it's about, maybe you have deeper insights than, say, Wikipedia.
@xuannguyenpham939
@xuannguyenpham939 Жыл бұрын
Inuyasha is an accurate depiction of Feudal Japan. Best documentary I have seen
@Guyverman01
@Guyverman01 11 ай бұрын
“It’s for the sake of validating your own insecurities because you want to project yourself onto them”.
@calipurnioelreydelodio7141
@calipurnioelreydelodio7141 Жыл бұрын
You know what I find funny? That the director of the documentary excused saying "Okay, we admit that Cleopatra wasn't black... BUT HOLLYWOOD USED ELIZABETH TAYLOR TO PORTRAY HER AND NOBODY SAID ANYTHING!" 1. It was made in 1963. 60 years ago. We have generated an idea about cultural sensibility (Which you didn't, director of the documentary!) 2. Egypt, back in the 60s, was angry with it.
@benjaminfrazier1039
@benjaminfrazier1039 Жыл бұрын
There is a reason Lupita Nyong'o, one of the biggest actresses of color in Hollywood in recemt memory turned down a role in The Woman King as well as the film receiving outrage from black people on social media for protraying The Dahomey tribe as heroic.
@zeldaprincessgirl100
@zeldaprincessgirl100 Жыл бұрын
I like how the grandma became such a meme everywhere, even if it's not about Cleopatra 😂
@tonystark341
@tonystark341 Жыл бұрын
I remember my grandmother saying to me"I dont care what they tell you in school, "Malcom X was Asian"
@spirit2117
@spirit2117 11 ай бұрын
Literally. My mom said I watched Queen Cleopatra and that is literally the least historically accurate show I’ve ever seen. I learned about Ancient Egypt last year (9th grade), Cleopatra included, and I remember learning non of the things in that show. Unless my memory’s even more horrible than I thought, something is not adding up here.
@KL-ki8db
@KL-ki8db Жыл бұрын
Anyone else thinks that the actress for Cleopatra would be more accurate and probably look better as another female pharaoh, Hatshepsut? Unlike Cleopatra, Hatshepsut has more uncertainty about her skin color and at best the skin color is described to be reddish brown so it fits better than Cleopatra’s interpretation. Also, I feel like Hatshepsut should be in the spotlight more as Cleopatra was done to death by the media already.
@yuptooyoungtoknowanything8654
@yuptooyoungtoknowanything8654 Жыл бұрын
if a grandma told me that I would say "Sheesh grandma, have you taken your dementia pills lately?
@wietomeiborg1934
@wietomeiborg1934 Жыл бұрын
Growing up in Poland this sort of mentality is nothing new to me - talk about how terrible life during the partitions and WW2 was and everyone will instantly agree with you, but talk about how we treated a lot of our minorities like Lithuanians and Ukrainians as second class citizens, or how there were pogroms and antisemitism even before the nazis took over, or even how we invaded Moscow and held it for what the Russians call "the two bloodiest years in the city’s history" in the 1600s and suddenly nobody’s willing to listen anymore
@RoyCyberPunk
@RoyCyberPunk Жыл бұрын
I don't see Poland or any country outside of Slavic Macedonia and Murican Afrocentrism religion trying to lay claim to history which is not their own. To steal someone else's history and can you present a movie in which they show the Polish as heroes and liberators of Moscow in the 1600 as Woman King does? I very much doubt it.
@DayDreamingWriters
@DayDreamingWriters Жыл бұрын
As someone who is Polish I do see this mentality too often
@samuraijaco1
@samuraijaco1 11 ай бұрын
When you are making a documentary, you have a duty to present the history you are trying to teach. Unbiased and as honestly as possible. I don’t care about your politics or personal opinions. All of that needs to be left at the door. History is objective. History happened. And if you are trying to make a series to teach history you MUST do the research and show both the good AND bad about the subject.
@Miscreant245
@Miscreant245 Жыл бұрын
Nerfetiti's soul watching like 🤨
@jonelrobinson4039
@jonelrobinson4039 Жыл бұрын
Nerfetiti be like: 👀 Seriously, am I joke to you? Hello I'm right there!
@mitraj7763
@mitraj7763 Жыл бұрын
I started watching your videos with your webtoon analysis but I didn't know that would lead to watching more top tier content from you. Great videos with greater analysis
@SweetOrangeGirl
@SweetOrangeGirl Жыл бұрын
Queen Cleopatra was black like how The Woman King was a hero.
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090
@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Жыл бұрын
Nah you didn’t need to explain it.
@TODDYNHO340
@TODDYNHO340 Жыл бұрын
👽👌
@SweetOrangeGirl
@SweetOrangeGirl Жыл бұрын
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Sorry about that-
@DayDreamingWriters
@DayDreamingWriters Жыл бұрын
Actually, there were few women, that used title King, when they Ruled Countries. One of them was Jadwiga Andegaweńska, who used the King Tittle before being Married.
@bottpilgrim2532
@bottpilgrim2532 Жыл бұрын
DAMN! 1.1 Stars? Thank god I never watched it.
@AmaryInkawult
@AmaryInkawult Жыл бұрын
Possibly the lowest in history
@AmaryInkawult
@AmaryInkawult Жыл бұрын
However knowing the trend it's likely to be dethroned sooner or later by a 0.7 or lower. Willing to bet on it.
@bottpilgrim2532
@bottpilgrim2532 Жыл бұрын
@@AmaryInkawult I found a show with the same writing as Cleopatra but nothing lower
@emiyacarney2796
@emiyacarney2796 Жыл бұрын
The fate series has a better depiction of Cleopatra and they are the same fuckers who made Edison a lion man
@animesenpai1163
@animesenpai1163 Жыл бұрын
Man I keep hearing them say "that looks like me" etc. It's hard not to think of them as Narcissistic.
@EthanMastercrafter
@EthanMastercrafter Жыл бұрын
Im so glad more and more people realize how bad this situation actually is and is starting to revolt against it
@dingalodingalo8447
@dingalodingalo8447 Жыл бұрын
Revolt??? Against who???For who???For what?
@EthanMastercrafter
@EthanMastercrafter Жыл бұрын
@@dingalodingalo8447 against woke propaganda in our media
@EthanMastercrafter
@EthanMastercrafter Жыл бұрын
@@Cruddy129 ohhh my bad I didn't catch on 😅
@JustinB6699
@JustinB6699 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the biggest aspect of this stuff that I hate is the racial (or gender, sexual orientation, and other "what a person is" traits) insecurity behind it, whether it's from those contributing to the product or it being a perceived issue they think people have, along with the 'fuck them' attitude that would be given if the shoe was on the other foot. Also, nice slick outro animation.
@caoyuann
@caoyuann Жыл бұрын
3:10 I'm black and Jewish-what the actual hell.. so the Holocaust isn't that bad even though it murdered 2/3rds of Europe's Jewish population, a group of people who have been exiled, killed, and antagonized throughout history, including members of my family and virtually ever Ashkenazi Jew's? Both are bad! Stop comparing horrible events, especially massacres! It's indescribably offensive..
@fritzpollard266
@fritzpollard266 11 ай бұрын
Something left out about WG is SHE SAID IT AGAIN. Came across this channel by chance proving again that KZfaq’s suggestion algorithm sucks. Great stuff i look forward to more.
@Brian-nw2bn
@Brian-nw2bn Жыл бұрын
Wow what a treat this was to come across your channel man. Amazing analysis, keep up the great work mate! God speed !
@adammuhirwa5245
@adammuhirwa5245 Жыл бұрын
They should've known queen cleopatra was a shit project when THE COUNTRY OF EGYPT ITSELF hated how Cleopatra was portrayed.
@akirafudo4419
@akirafudo4419 Жыл бұрын
Actually to theses people the people of Egypt aren’t actually but the descendants of invaders. Even though there have been countless studies showing and proven that modern Egyptians are the same/similar to the ancient ones.
@RoyCyberPunk
@RoyCyberPunk Жыл бұрын
​@Akira Fudo According to the Globalist Left Woketard propaganda known as Murican Afrocentrism religion the entire planet was solely populated by Sub-Saharan Africans and every historical figure worldwide throughout all of recorded human history were Sub-Saharan Africans until they were all mysteriously genocided and all trace including DNA and archeological evidence was magically erased and yes that's their core belief. De acuerdo con la religión del afrocentrismo Yanqui de la propaganda de la izquierda Globalista y su propaganda "Progre" todo el planeta estaba poblado únicamente por africanos subsaharianos y todas las figuras históricas en todo el mundo a lo largo de toda la historia humana registrada, desde Gengis Khan hasta Toro Sentado, eran todos africanos subsaharianos hasta que todos fueron misteriosamente genocidas. y todo rastro, incluido el ADN y la evidencia arqueológica, se borró mágicamente y sí, esa es la creencia central del afrocentrismo Yanqui.
@jacobhays8678
@jacobhays8678 Жыл бұрын
Suggestion for another episode: the censorship, and/or lack thereof, of Japanese video games, and Western video games respectively.
@Adamguy2003
@Adamguy2003 Жыл бұрын
What they did with 'The Woman King' was revisionist history at its absolute worst, on par with the original 'Birth of a Nation.' As Jack observed, it would be like making a WWII film which portrayed the German forces as noble heroes saving the Jews from concentration camps run by EEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIILLLL Americans and Brits. In real life, when the British tried to convince the Dahomey king to stop enslaving his fellow countrymen (The Brits themselves had long since abolished slavery by that point), he pompously responded "The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery…" In the real- life Franco- Dahomean Wars that the movie claims to be portraying, the French got involved to protect a smaller African kingdom they had an alliance with from being conquered and enslaved by the Dahomey. In other words, the French were very much the good guys in that struggle. Also, unlike in 'The Woman King' which depicts those awesome woke Dahomey WAAAAAHMEEEEEEN easily beating the French in the climactic battle, the ACTUAL last major battle in the Franco- Dahomean Wars, the Battle of Cana, saw the French completely curb- stomp the Dahomey. In that battle, the French lost exactly six soldiers while those mighty, invincible Dahomey lost over a thousand before chickening out and retreating as they saw the French preparing one last bayonet charge. THAT would have been cool to see in a movie! btw, '300' gets a pass because it was never meant to be directly based on the Battle of Thermopylae; It was based on a fictional graphic novel which was itself only loosely based on the circumstances behind the Battle of Thermopylae. Audiences know that, much like when a group of children play a game of Telephone, each of those transitions (Historical event, to fictional graphic novel, to fictional movie) is going to result in the truth being diluted for the sake of entertainment. Oh, and lol @ "Jada Homewrecker Smith"!
@gamingdragon1356
@gamingdragon1356 Жыл бұрын
How were the Germans evil in World World 2?
@dolphincrescent54
@dolphincrescent54 10 ай бұрын
Can we PLEASE have a documentary on that?
@simeon2851
@simeon2851 11 ай бұрын
Looking forward to a white Wakanda.😊
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 Жыл бұрын
The couldn't even be historically accurate by portraying Cleopatra as the conniving seductress she was.
@gamingdragon1356
@gamingdragon1356 Жыл бұрын
The reason is there is nothing stunning or brave about Cleopatra. She is so popular in pop culture because of the convining seductress image.
@hassathunter2464
@hassathunter2464 Жыл бұрын
4:00 "Woman who looked like me, doi lng that kind of thing" Slavery? Yes... do you identify with that? That woman may need some investigating.
@inferiorinferno8859
@inferiorinferno8859 8 ай бұрын
Also, don't forget the hundreds of thousands of Romani who were killed, whom are ethnically Indian. My dad has Roma ancestry, and I visibly look partially Indian. History lessons about WWII were terrifying to me, as I never saw so many people with my skin tone before until I saw the pictures of trains filled with Romani that were heading to concentration camps. The Jewish community was already pretty white, but we are literally brown. I identify as a white typical Dutch woman because that is how I was raised, but I've got a pale brown skin and there is no denying the people on those pictures did too.
@annieandelsieofarendelle3294
@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 7 ай бұрын
The sad thing is there was a Queen of the Nile around that time who was a warrior queen and actually black named Queen Amanirenas who ruled with her husband as Kandake of the Kush.
@MrS-pe6sd
@MrS-pe6sd Жыл бұрын
Well that woman needs to remember that back in the 40s a lot of peoples grandparents were telling them that back people are only 3/4 of a person. Maybe listening to old folk wisdom isn’t always a good idea when it comes to facts and history
@XVampirladyShizukaX
@XVampirladyShizukaX 11 ай бұрын
Well you know you failed with Cleopatra when even an Old Comicbook like Asterix and Obelix make a better depicton of Cleopatra than a so called documentary
@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto
@Dr.Sho_Minamimoto Жыл бұрын
3:19 Goldberg clearly never heard of the “Rhineland bastards” if she thinks black people weren't involved.
@-FoxQueen-
@-FoxQueen- Ай бұрын
3:12 I cannot even begin to describe the amount of rage I felt when I heard that.... So the unnecessary murders of THOUSANDS of innocent people apparently doesn't matter because none of them were black???? What is that woman on.....
@iw9472
@iw9472 Жыл бұрын
Omgs! I love your fursona!! This is your first video I watch and I love you so much already. I'm not a boy but each time you say boys I feel included 🤣😻 I wanna become a KZfaqr to give my perspective and you inspire me to do so one day. Thank you!!
@ashlabelle
@ashlabelle 11 ай бұрын
Here's the thing: I actually have 0 problems with fictional re-imaginings of historic figure, AS LONG AS THEY ADMIT TO BEING FICTIONAL. When the piece of fiction in question dresses itself as historically accurate, and comes at a specific country where the group that's making this film has been perpetuating the narrative that the modern inhabitants of said country are "colonizers" (even though it's been disproven by science) and wants to claim said country as their own (thereby being the actual colonizers in this situation), that's when I have a problem.
@ClassicModernTVAR
@ClassicModernTVAR Жыл бұрын
Im a native egyptian and thanks for speaking about this , im very sick of this afrocentric moves which does not make any sense for a xouple of reasons First of all , the people who says that egyptians were black and current ones are bunch of invaders , are most likely doesnt know any single thing about egyptian cutlure or even care about it or relate to it or their modern history or anything , the only thing they know and want is the anicent history , the whole " you are arabian colonizers " is a funny statement because they 100 % do not anyhting about history or the probably the fact that arabs did not kill one single egyptian as they were fighting romans not egyptians in the first place and the fact that egyptians are the ones who asked arabs to come because they were done with romans oppression Not only these people do not know anything about the culture and histroy , they also think that the only races in the world are white people and black people without any further research They claim egyptians to be black " even though they are bunch of artifacts that shows that egyptians were from different ethnicity Im not against africans , they do have pride in their own culture, i just hate afro centrics who keeps stealing cultures of every northern african country and think they are right to do so
@rurihime4965
@rurihime4965 Жыл бұрын
The main problem to me is that Cleopatra sells itself as a historically accurate documentary while 300, Hamilton and their ilk sell themselves as entertainment, never pretending to be accurate to the real events
@jenniferhanses
@jenniferhanses Жыл бұрын
I like your idea of "inclusivity bias." I think it's a good way to describe a lot of the issues modern media has when it takes the idea of inclusivity, and prizes it over important creative decisions like story and character. I will disagree with you about the lack of historical accuracy in other media being "okay" just because it's entertaining. I'm a huge Titanic buff, and while Titanic is watchable, there are certain places where it makes my blood boil when dealing with "minor characters" who were actual real life people. And Disney's Pocahontas is a propaganda nightmare that gets the whole story wrong, and seems to have replaced what is real. And those are just a couple examples. I do think there's more leeway for playing with history when you are just making a movie. And that stuff like Clone High are clearly just for fun and not to be taken seriously. I was recently really excited that Gentleman Jack went on sale on Amazon because it's based on the diaries of an actual person, and while things are not 100 percent true and accurate, there's a lot of work and research put into it to make it authentic to the time since some of the interest in it was how are real life lesbian woman moved through England's gentry and the world. What obstacles did she actually face and overcome? And while she is the protagonist, she's not always a "nice" person, and the show actually shows that part of her character as well. In terms of lies, though I judge Cleopatra as far worse than the Woman King. At least Woman King admits that it's just based on history. Cleopatra is marketed as a documentary, so there's a way different and higher standard. In terms of the specifics of the Woman King's tribal affiliation, I have not researched the details, but I've heard that complaint several times, so I do believe it. I still find it less bothersome than your Nazis example because I don't know of anyone who is using the movie to justify doing what that tribe did in the past, whereas people would use positive media about the Nazis to justify doing similar things today. If I'm incorrect, my apologies. I do think there are positives to a push to tell more stories about African history and uncovering and educating people more about African history. I think that makes me more upset when I see it done badly or deliberately wrong. I'm absolutely sure that there are wonderful stories to tell in Africa that have been overlooked. But the way media is going, it seems like it will continued to be buried.
@AkaE5
@AkaE5 Жыл бұрын
Ayy, I like the new animated outro.🔥🔥🔥
@eljaminlatour6633
@eljaminlatour6633 3 күн бұрын
"What was Jada Pinkett Smith's response? Did she apologize or show remorse for smearing the history of an entire country?" *Gets interrupted with an Einstein Bros. Ad*
@hydradiagonal3404
@hydradiagonal3404 Жыл бұрын
Here’s a thing. People of certain countries are very serious about their own history. In my country a movie from 20th century got banned because it portrayed the king at the time slightly bad…imagine if the king gets blackwashed…(we’re Asian) soooo
@timmyturner327
@timmyturner327 11 ай бұрын
Thailand is a nation with great history.
@arson135
@arson135 Жыл бұрын
Funny that two woke middle aged white women wrote The Whamen Kang🤣
@justagirl7094
@justagirl7094 Жыл бұрын
Also didn’t Da Homies laughably lose the battle against the French?
@seaurchin7
@seaurchin7 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@akirafudo4419
@akirafudo4419 Жыл бұрын
Yes they lost and weren’t allowed to sell their enemies and people into slavery.
@pkmarie04
@pkmarie04 Жыл бұрын
Bruh what is Whoopi goldberg on 💀💀 as a Jewish person am I not supposed to care about the slave trade bc that doesn’t affect us?? Like of course not… I have empathy for things that people of the past went through whether they looked like me or not
@sailorsagittarius8526
@sailorsagittarius8526 8 ай бұрын
Even Madoka Magica and Animal Crossing represent Cleopatra right. ( the german localization of Animal Crossing named Ankha to Cleo because of Cleopatra and PMMMs version of Cleopatra is a magical girl which also died before becoming as a witch)
@kerrylawson7515
@kerrylawson7515 Жыл бұрын
Inclusivity as an end has no place in documentaries.
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