Martin will be ok, he has convinced himself AR was injured so surely he will get his money back. I hope you aren't expecting him to apologise for saying Hukum, Westover and King of Steel had no chance and the fact that they finished top 3 doesn't matter in the eyes of KZfaq's most deluded horse racing 🤡

​@@frankelforever14The sad injury is when Martin was dropped on his head at birth.

Thank the lord someone has called out that cretin Martin Lewis. The guy is a stain on KZfaq and racing.

​@@frankelforever14isn't Wayne Harrison the most deluded horse racing girl on KZfaq?

@@drsteelhammer4056 Martin likes to set up multiple accounts to like his own comments (let's face it nobody else with a reasonably sane mind would like them). Martin could be Wayne's alter ego for all we know 🤔

Kingmambo has always been a great sire of mares just like Habitat was.

​@@galdessa1yes Kingmambo influence is obvious here. 2 superstars out of 4 that have reached the course is impressive for the broodmare but her race going foals nowhere near as good given she is 14 now

He’s an absolutely brilliant trainer and massively underrated. FACT.

Amen to that!

​@@SchmeichelJacksonI said that throughout the week that his yard has been quiet this year and there is no way he's not putting Hukum in a G1 like this if it's not capable of winning it and especially with Jim on Owen knows what's required definitely Underated

@@andrewrose4643 he has a tiny pool of horses but keeps laying them out to win the biggest races both here and overseas. If you look, most of his horses have a very good strike-rate too. Everyone bangs on about Kerry Lee being an expert at placing her horses over jumps… I think this guy is equally as good if not better on the flat and it’s about time someone started sending him some more horses!

@@SchmeichelJackson yep I know I even backed al horse of his at York with Azeni on came late a timed it just right just like Jim did last year on it 😁 and yes he definitely needs more horses

i didn't fancy hukum at all!! i backed westover, king of steel & luxemburg !!! i've always thought auguste rodin was over rated!!!

@@normankennith7919 Yes, because Auguste Rodin really ran his race today.🙄

Did anybody ask

Butlins 3 times aren't really classed as holidays fella.

@@RandyWatson69 Try San Francisco.

If you’re gambling that much you have a problem 🤣

I hope you cleaned up.

Well said

Definitely. I hate to aftertime.., but on this ground I thought Hukum was ew value at anything bigger than 5/1. 13/2 was very generous.

CONFIRMED INJURY YOU CLUELESS PRICK

I don't understand this post. Which Martin are we talking about?

@@TheEnglishLongbowyou’re new here I’m guessing…

"Auguste Rodin is a monster " "Auguste Rodin will win the Arc" Martin Lewis days before Auguste Rodin scraped home in Irish Guineas. Be doing rent boy over time yet again tonight.

​@@simonchapman5560Auguste Rodin wouldn't win a seller on yesterday's performance. 😂😂😂😂

I think someone might need a ice pack between his legs now after all he was balls deep.🤣🤣🤣

Hilarious?

The horse has a serious injury you plank!

He dismissed Westover completely after he won at Saint Cloud three weeks ago.

@Martin Lewis stop liking your own comments you plank😅

Yes indeed, since for me hitherto, it's mostly been a case of take or leave Jim Crowley, with the emphasis mostly on the leave, but a true & proper dig deep & gutsy performance from him today....

I agree best I have ever seen crowley.

The ground would probably have been too quick for him in last year's running.

Hukum is by Sea The Stars, a full brother to Baheed.

@@markhiggins8315 I know. Westover was 20s earlier in the week, that's screaming for a each-way bet...which I did. I was on Hukum at 5s.

@@paradisehotel5005 See what you mean. Sea The Stars were the best 2 horses of at least the last 30 years and they both have been outstanding sires.

It was meant to say Sea The Stars and Frankel were....

Did you do the straight forecast as well ?

Apparently o'Brien said "For some reason his power disappeared, it was a very unusual run" 😂

​@@Ryan0201If he kept his mouth shut he wouldn't get ridiculed, only got himself to blame.

@@Ryan0201 He bet his face went as white as a 👻 😂

They were all trained specifically for this race.

I personally feel Desert Crown would be best at 10f. If he runs over 12f again he would need good ground, soft ground might stretch his stamina.

Yeah, right. I knew Hukum would win last week and that Baradar would win once they put the CPs on. But i don't back horses as its just an interest. Bookies are not making billions of profit every year for nothing.

@@galdessa1 Type "King George preview Racing tv" . Check the comments section and weep.

You say Westover ran the best race, he came second,

​@@myg2257Yeah, but by a head, and he went widest of all! Don't you know how to handicap?

​@@chrisp.9172It was a group 1 not a handicap. Hukum gets the win on his CV, who remembers second?

​​@@chrisp.9172 if you say Westover finished wider than hukum, u watched a different race to me. Stay lucky, don't you know a horse race isn't over untill the winning post, just noticed your name, you probably think crisp ran a better national than red rum, back in the day.

The going had a lot of say in this race, it was heavy going more like a national hunt course in rainy March.

False winner due to injury for the fav mid race..

Yes indeed, a true & proper Group One, which can be a rarity these days & with a true & proper number of runners & guess what, a true & proper brave winner in Hukum.....

​@martinlewis6036 are you sure he is injured?He wasn't injured in the guineas and he blew out there. Maybe your just wrong.

​@@Martin.Lewis.. The result is that he gave up just like in 2000 guineas. What a shame.

​@@frankbrennan1619check out the Bing Crosby at Del Mar in a couple of hours. Grade 1 sprint race with 12 horses, Get ya some dirt racing! I like The Chosen Vron..

I agree high quality finish but cant go unnoticed duel derby winner cant keep up fave also a mean COME ON great race m8 id say its a disgrace bro

@@johncartledge7313 one horse bombing out doesn’t make a race a bad race. You obviously don’t know much about horse racing.

@@johncartledge7313 you said it yourself, duel Derby winner. That means this horse has won two Grade 1s in the last 6 weeks. If you knew anything about racing you’d know what that can take out of a horse. Especially a 3yo. Let’s not forget he did the same thing in the Guineas too. Aidan has been the first to admit he’s still getting used to training these Deep Impacts, so perhaps he simply doesn’t take his racing as well as the Galileos he’s been sweeping up with for years. In any case, King Of Steel who finished behind Auguste Rodin in the Derby still ran his race and suggests the fav wouldn’t have been too far away had he run his race. He clearly didn’t. What made this a high class horse race was the solid end-to-end gallop they went, the fact the first two weren’t stopping and were pulling further clear inside the final furlong, and the fact it was full of multiple G1 horses. This form will prove to be high class in time.

@@SchmeichelJackson obviously i dont then even so we are all entitled to our own way of seeing thing i would just say quite reasonably i think tjay a favourite pretty short price considering the talent in there not keeping up is bad for racing in my humble opinion i think it makes a mockery of thee market and i think thats is a bad race when a duel derbt winner cant even come close to competing in a massuve race thats my opinion no matter how much i know or dont know as you say

@@johncartledge7313 we’re talking about horses, not machines. You sound like just another mug punter who’s butthurt he backed the favourite. You’re entitled to your opinion all you want but it’s still wrong 😂

Very.

Yep he is a genius but at this stage you could get an Aidan doll with the same 10 responses that he gives over and over each year, One Cool Cat is all I'll say

He's never said that about Auguste rodin. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt clearly the horse is very ground dependent

​@@frankelforever14The list is growing, Air Force Blue, Little Big Bear.

​@@rodneymckee8431Auguste Rodin has a mind of its own, didn't want to put his best foot forward yesterday, no excuses.

Had every chance to peg him back though and he couldn’t do it. I’d say maybe the ground more than anything would help him turn the tables.

You’re absolutely right. With a better ride WO wins that race because he ran a winning race.

Ew for the Arc on decent ground.Needs a low to middle draw.

@@drofheimthat’s not true. He was wide the whole time and he went even wider at the turn for home while Hukum was covered up. Hukum did go wide at the turn too but that was after Jim came out to get room

@@alioucisse1548 Westover got probably enough slipstream from Pyledriver in the end. I think for me he still had enough to get back at Hukum but Hukum was the hardier horse on the day. Ground gave Hukum the main advantage.

Correct. Bookies are not goin to give away money since the majority of punters cant see past backing a favourite in a race.. 3rd or 4th in the bettung is always a better bet .

This aged well

@@shaunmorris3835 you cannot back the horse with any confidence. Timeform have already been cautious in their comments. And another O'Brian "machine"Ylang Ylang come up short again today. I think A O'Brian is a genius , I just don't like the way they hype up their horses just so that when one does do the business the stud/paddock value is enhanced.

I know mate. They've done it for years and many have flopped in the guineas or been beaten by their outsiders in classics. I was on Augsute Rodin this weekend, in an antepost treble with Vauban in Melbourne and Westover in the Arc. Nice bit of an interest bet at least!

@@shaunmorris3835 nice one mate. Fingers crossed for you.

Do you think ! Over hyped 2 Derby s a champion stakes and Breeders cup turf,😂😂

@Stevelee No, he just doesn't like flying. 😂

After tonight he's done as much as any horse in a year.

Other points, King Of Steel I thought wouldn’t be good enough but he clearly is. Luxembourg probably unlucky the race was run for his stablemate and not him.

Did you just say Hukum had the best form ? Don’t know what form guide your reading but on form it’s not in the top 4

I don't think he had "the best form". For me he ticked certain boxes, likes ease in the ground, an older horse with not a lot miles on the clock, and a battler.

I'm often wise after the event too.

@@taintedtroll7051 who had better?

How good is desert crown then having first run back and just getting beat by this.

@@kingkonho About the same as Luxembourg maybe a little better. Just a pity DC gets injured so much also.

Unfortunately all the horses race on the same ground. I defend horses for running bad. But it never takes away from the winners. The winner proves their best on the day 👌

@joemac9249 and that is what I've said...but tell me, how can such a competitive race look like a 3 mile chase in the way they finished?

@@MI-nw8uofor a Good to soft race the time was the usual standard set by the likes of Enable and Nathaniel, Enable ran one even slower at one point (one around a second faster also) and Nathaniel ran slower.

@@drofheim Horses don't finish strung out like that for no reason, unless they were sub standard for the grade.

@@MI-nw8uo because they went fast on bad ground, plus the time wasn’t bad anyway. So guess you have to take a loss on your opinion on this one.

Confirmed injury.

@@Martin.Lewis.. Ha ha lost your money did you? I told you Hukum would win but you were so rude. Egg on your face now.

@@Martin.Lewis.. Evidence of confirmed inury please.

@@ortacreef8557 AOB - leg injury!

@@galdessa1 you told me shit you tool.

If the ground was better he may have won. But it shows how good Equinox is.

the little stumble in last furlong lost him the race

​@drofheim love to see Equinox at longchamp ? Hope the owners change their minds and go for it nothing in europe in its class regardless of ground conditions

​@@seadrifter8975Equinox is an absolute beast but I think Ace Impact is special also. If Equinox doesn't line up I'm loading up on Ace Impact.

@@Souljah2008 Agreed I rated Ace Impact very high unless he is best at mile and quarter. A true champion should be versatile in terms of positioning, pace, ground condition and difference circumstances of the racecourse. By instinct of experience told me Auguste is not that type. He quickens very good but a mile and half true pace would ruin him he is not a strong bodied horse.

I note you said perhaps. But August has won 3 group 1s. That is the same as Hukum and Pyledriver combined. Deep Impact had a great stud career also it's not all misery.

​@@joemac9249Study Of Man lost his form rather badly after his Prix du Jockey Club victory, Snowfall never became the horse many thought she would be, Saxon Warrior was holding his form fairly well but was retired prematurely. I think Auguste Rodin will probably be retired after this calamitous display.

@@rivergold4835 Snowfall died unfortunately. Saxon Warrior was one of the best colts at 2 and 3 in Europe. Just to fill you in Saxon Warrior was undefeated at 1mile and won 3 x group 1s. Stands at Coolmore stud 👌 You are really making strange points here. All these horses won multiple Group 1s and Classics. In fact Saxon Warrior has a progeny Victoria road won a Breeders cup.

@@rivergold4835 Who even highlights these madness comments 😂 To me it looked like August Rodin and Emily ran the most below their form. I mean a few weeks ago they were favourites for the Arc. It is possible for a horse to have a bad day in sport. You know the sport of Kings?

@@joemac9249 Perfectly valid observations. It's about how well does Deep Impact progeny's trained in Europe hold their form. Saxon Warrior never won a race after his Guineas success, he ran a perfectly honourable race in defeat against Roaring Lion. We are not discussing Saxion Warrior's credentials as a stallion, i'm personally glad he's making an impact as a stallion as he's not from the Northern Dancer male line. "countbelalucozade" made his comments about whether Deep Impact horses in Europe hold their form throughout a season. Read the comments carefully before typing away like another little O'Brien/Coolmore fan boy.

@Kenethnero Hopefully it's nothing serious,🤞but it does bring back memories of his Guy run.

Confirmed injury.

​@@Martin.Lewis..We've missed your presence Martin. Hope you are OK.

@@Martin.Lewis.. Funny that, I've just seen on the Racing Post headlining that O'Brien is scratching his head and can off no explanation? His quote "for some reason his power disappeared, it was a very unusual run" so nothing confirmed it seems.

@@paradisehotel5005 He would have been on every comment like a virus if Augustine Rodin had won.

‘Last £10’ you sound bottom of the barrel broke 😂

@@Brandon-rs3yr yeh but good luck to the owners of hukum good luck to you pal at goodwood next week starting from Tuesday until next Sat

Lmfao

I agree on desert crown would of gone close ,,

Desert crown will be all the better for not taking this race up

He had his run he's done, Bum.

He's had more than one, in a fairly lightly raced programme. He was ordinary in the Irish Derby, and just isn't as good as Aidan made him out to be. Doubt if we see him again on a racetrack.

@@Dan-cy9hb You are probably correct.

​@Dan-cy9hb don't be stupid there's obviously something wrong with him

​@@mrtibbz10your a fool thers obviously something wrong with him

desert cown won the derby because westover was stopped twice when making his run he made up a tremendous amount in the last furlong and would have won with a clear run

​@@user-nj4ej2uy9b That's a very debatable theory if you ask me. Desert Crown would've pulled out more in my opinion had Westover come to challenge. He'd already put the race to bed and was idling in front.

​@user-nj4ej2uy9b sounds like you're talking from your pocket, westover would have finished closer with a clear run but desert crown was always travelling sweetly and cruised into the lead and won easing down pure and simple

According to the Racing Post today, O'Brien is still none the wiser? Nothing has shown up yet.

Wouldn’t put pass them throwing for bookies

What’s he going to say, “The horse had a Covid attack” Wait for Vet exam.

@@jamesmorris-zu6dk alright calm down Princess

He is the best jockey riding today. He is not a miracle worker. He sensed the horse wasn't handling the ground and eased him down. Probably saved the horse who wasn't travelling from injury. We don't know what happened yet but blaming the best jockey is nonsense

@@suemaher5282 yeah you're probably right he was on another overly hyped horse of O'Brien's

H Ryan can can also have a bad day, just as Rodin did. Maybe both of them contacted something as the Covid virus on the way to starting gate. Hope to hear comments from the Vets after his examination.

It realised it wasn't the superstar Aidan led some to believe it was and sulked

@@frankelforever14 It won the 2 derbies. I didn't see any horse do that in a while. Desert Crown, Westover, Hurricane Lane or Adayar. Didn't win the 2 Derbies. So he is fairly special.

The ground was probably too soft for him

@@igor3504 Too soft and he ran poorly. Look it's just we hope the very best horses will run on all grounds. Unfortunately not many do unless your name is Frankel, Sea the Stars or Enable.

@@joemac9249 c"Mon Joe,he was gifted the Irish Derby,Hefferman was a disgrace on the runner up in that race.

We hear this every year now. Maybe we should just cancel the Derby for the TonyBurgess in the World. King of Steel was 3rd here was 2nd in the Derby. But you know best.

But won a group 1 in heavy before 😂😂😂 Clueless tosser, he’s injured!!

It’s something I had never thought about but now when I consider it you make a great point.

Don’t be so stupid,frankel will never be seen the likes of again,

Yea it's because he not good enough he is a average 3 year old who beat a useless crop of 3 year olds

They will probably try to run him again but he's so ground dependent u could be right and he goes to stud.

@@suemaher5282 yea retirement is the best option because he definitely not win other group one now he racing against 4 year olds

@@jamesbaker6834 it's puzzling why they ran him but that's racing. His target was meant to be the Arc but not many Arcs are run on gd ground.. so he could go straight to stud.

@@suemaher5282 I believe the ran him because AOB has no top class mile and half horses to be honest but like I said he no superstar just the best of a crap crop of 3 year olds

Enable vs Crystal Ocean was a great finish also👍.

​@@Souljah2008Belmez and Old Vic or Nashwan are Cacoathes was better.

@@nightowl7459 Both of those races had awesome finishes for sure. I remember both Cacoethes and Belmez running in Japan Cups and ANZ's great Better Loosen Up beating Cacoethes in a great blanket finish in the 1990 running.

Another tidbit Better Loosen Up was a direct sireline descendant to the Byerley Turk through his Oldman Betterboy.

@@Souljah2008 Yeah, I was reading up about Cacoathes a few days ago and remember seeing him finishing in a blanket finishing in some race in Japan, I think he went on to win in America either before that or after?

I think it was too soon for Emily, she had a hard race only three weeks ago.

@leftieloosers wasn't it about the same time period she had between the coronation cup and the eclipse?. Yes it was a hard race but she didn't ever give any impression when they turned for home. I don't want to use that as an excuse for her

​@@leftieloosersThat could be very true.

​@@NanuqarMy take is that King Of Steel probably didn't last out on this ground and a fast run race, it would be good to see him over ten furlongs, but Hopefully not the international, it can be a bit too soon after this race, Hopefully the Irish Champion.

@nightowl7459 I still think regardless it was a great race from him, will be interesting to see where connections take him next. Obviously would have to hear the comments from varian, gosden and AOB (for the main 2 which underperformed), to see what them and their jockeys thought of the race. I still think KOS is on the improve and I don't believe he is at his best yet. For a first time against the elders he ran honestly and well. Let's not forget the only 2 to finish ahead of him are a coronation cup winner (half brother to baaeed) aswell as a G1 winner at both 3 and 4 . With him finishing ahead of multiple G1 winning horses for a relatively raw horse like himself to do that I'm happy with that.

How if Hukum has already beaten him?

So Arthur still believes in the Epsom Derby winners 👍

What race were u watching he didn't blitz the field

@@robertdelacy3434 This was a top field, where Hukum wins at 13/2, and the fav was last. The 1st and 2nd drew 4.25 lengths away from the 3rd. Look like a blitz to me. Winning time: 2m 33.95s (slow by 4.25s) data from RP. Chin up, sounds like you lost.

@@anotherblonde obviously something was wrong with the favourite

@@anotherblonde he won by a head

@@anotherblonde Full of stats sweetie. No good having the stats after the race. Most people can read. Westover was a neck away.

Jim broke the whip rules only meant to be allowed 6 strikes I counted 9 or 10 and I’m pretty sure rob stuck to the rules. Can’t say it didn’t make a difference when the winning margin was a head 🤷🏻‍♂️

@JohnFlynn Do you naturally talk nonsense or just practice very often?

Yeah and anyone who knew won big 😂😂😂

Simply not good enough.

They were beaten by better horses on the day. That is horse racing.

Aren't they always. 😂

Dodgy result? Hukum by far the best horse in that field