Yup. I remember back when PBR started blowing up. Artists who refused to adapt fell off. That's life. Always be in a state of bettering ones-self and learning.

Instead of Ron Pearlman, our narrator is Rob Houseman

Top tier comment 😂

you deserve a medal!

What else never changes? I seem to recall something but I'm not remembering at this moment...

If you believe there is no creativity in problem solving (using your example, 'fixing art') then I have a bridge to sell you.

@@MalikenGD That's not really what I mean. It's more about the type of creativity that motivated an artist to get into art in the first place. Different people will find fulfillment in different things. Sure, there can be creative choices made fixing AI gen art, but it may not be the type of creative fulfillment some artists are looking for in their life.

His advice and lessons are well thought out and can be applied to multiple industries, particularly in everything IT-related or the corporate world in general. I found many parallels with the stories he told and what happened to me, and those companies where I worked were not game or tech companies.

Gagging yet bro??

Yah, the big “AI” revolution that would be the next is not here yet, AI tools are still in minor use.

its a reason, but not the big reason, the big reason is the games industry is trying to mimic the bullsh*t intentional boom and bust cycle tech uses to please shareholders.

So you wouldn't mind if companies switched to AI developers, rather than us monkeys?

@@WyattsVlog Still waiting on semi-trucks to be replaced, something people have been doomering over for the last few decades. Still not convinced AI isn't going to be anything more than a tool that we use when it's convenient. It doesn't work for everything.

@@WyattsVlog Someone still needs to control the AI developer. Be that person.

@@WyattsVlog AI is just a tool, it's not advanced enough at the moment to actually replace people. In any case AI doesn't have anything to do with my comment.

@@WyattsVlog I think when it gets good enough, nobody will care as nobody will be able to notice.

Sounds like a fun job.

Which makes it horrible when I want a specific cut. 3" thick Top Round for a London Broil? Can't do it. 3/8" thick rib for fast grill steak sandwiches? Can't do it. Plus, that pre-cut, just slapped in trays at the store... the fast processing houses don't scrape well and you get bone dust coating the backside wayyyy too much.

@@cycleboy8028 trust me I don't like it. The stuff we're getting honestly doesn't look too bad. It's scraped good and everything. The color is definitely off tho, as in it's too bright. Looks weird.

​@@cycleboy8028 capitalism moment xD

Yea happened to me when I worked at Whole Foods. What sucks is there's so many customers that prefer fresh cut meat, for different reasons. Also agreed, the meat always looked funny. Never tried it side by side, but it probably didn't taste as good either.

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Well this goes into his point with 2D vs 3D artists. Generative AI isnt really intelligent so even if it did take over there would be need for artist to look over choose and make corrections. Then of course many games would tout using real artist as a selling point too. So in the end there might be less jobs but there will still be need. Also as side note, currently "AI" tech is in very dubious legal ground and the tech just isnt there yet for what people generally want artist for, very specific pieces of art that incorporate various important details for the story, tone, characterization, gameplay, etc.

​@@ionalpha I make games because I enjoy the act of producing them. I do it even in my free time when there's no possibility of making money from whatever I'm working on. If you *don't* enjoy making them, you probably shouldn't be in the industry in the first place, and should find something else to do. AI will never take away your ability to enjoy working on these projects - even in your doomsday theory, all you lose is your ability to make money from doing so.

exactly, and I think the reason not so many people are getting this is because he didnt really say "hey guys AI is here to stay so deal with it 😃" although that seems to me, to be the message of the video. I cant see a relation to the electric car metaphor or the horseshoe. Applying AI to art isnt even an advance, I genuinely think the product of that technology is inferior

executives never loose. But imagine you want to create a game company, you somehow employee 10 people paying them 60k a year for 4 years and you success in your game with around 20-30 million in sales. Just for the employees it cost you around 3 million. Then you have steam fees, 30%. Taxes... idk, another 30%? And then you have marketing, computers, spaces rent, this and than, all the 20 million goes to. 3 million employees, 6 million to steam (idk if it goes before or after taxes). Another 4.5 million in taxes. You end up with 7 million for marking, computers space rent, etc. Lets suppose another 3 million approx. Then you have 3 million in profit of which 60% probably goes to the publisher. You and the company keeps 1.4 million and future enterprises for the company. I am sure my math is WAYYYYY off. But how the fuck can you expect to keep those 10 people? You will always be one middle-sucessfull game away from layoff your employees. And lets not even start talking about games that goes from 30 employees to 250 employees after a successful game. One bad game and puff, 20% layoff, it doesn't sound that bad...

@@v44n7 I want to start an indie company and this is the stuff I think about. Steam fees and operating costs should be tax deductible (get a damn good accountant). Marketing budget has to be decent, and every cent needs to be used efficiently. Publishers would never be an option for me. A mix of crowd and self funding will be ideal. Tho of course most people don't have 10million plus just lying around to be used for developing.

LOL!

@@v44n7 you can't use loose napkin math, admit that it's probably not accurate and then question how the math is supposed to add up for 10 people...like if some of those costs are lower than you are guessing...it could reasonably keep 10 people :/ So, you kinda invalidated yourself by admitting the math is off because your argument is based on it....

@@Jairoe03 what I tried to say, even if the math is off by quite some margin. You can expect grow a company from 10 people to 250 and then not expect layoffs the first they launch that is middle successful. As I said its probably management fault and the ones at the top. But looking at the numbers 20% layoff doesn't seems that bad, it could be way worse

you left an office when you were 7?? do you mean 27 lol

you’re going for the one with the pension right?

@@nayrskoorb3383 which one is that?

If you watch were the 'growth' is going it is leaving the middle class (your consumer base, which as a result is shrinking), and ending up in the bank accounts of the super rich at the top. If we don't regulate this, the rich will end up crashing the system and all that money won't be worth a plugged nickle. Then we'll be living 'Fallout' for real and using bottle caps for money.

We got a tail wag this time, too. ^.^

Yeah - the tea leaves are suggesting we're miles into late stage capitalism. New tech and new companies are default white noise. 1. Growing Wealth Inequality: One of the most prominent red flags is the widening gap between the wealthy elite and the rest of society. As wealth becomes increasingly concentrated in the hands of a small percentage of the population, it leads to disparities in income, access to resources, and opportunities. 2. Corporate Power and Influence: Late-stage capitalism is often marked by the dominance of large corporations, which wield significant influence over governments, economies, and societies. This can lead to policies that prioritize corporate interests over the well-being of workers, consumers, and the environment. 3. Erosion of Workers' Rights: In late-stage capitalism, there may be a decline in labor rights and protections, including stagnant wages, precarious employment arrangements, and limited bargaining power for workers. This can result in exploitative working conditions and a lack of job security for many individuals. 4. Financialization of the Economy: Late-stage capitalism is characterized by the prioritization of financial markets and speculation over productive economic activity. This can lead to instability, speculative bubbles, and financial crises that disproportionately affect ordinary people while benefiting the wealthy. 5. Deregulation and Privatization: Governments in late-stage capitalist societies may pursue policies of deregulation and privatization, reducing public oversight and control over essential services such as healthcare, education, and utilities. This can lead to decreased accessibility, higher costs, and lower quality of services for the general population. 6. Environmental Degradation: Late-stage capitalism often prioritizes short-term profits over long-term sustainability, leading to environmental degradation, pollution, and resource depletion. This not only harms ecosystems and biodiversity but also exacerbates the effects of climate change, disproportionately impacting vulnerable communities. 7. Cronyism and Corruption: Late-stage capitalism can foster a culture of cronyism and corruption, where political and economic elites collude to protect their interests and maintain their power and privilege. This undermines democratic institutions and erodes public trust in government and institutions. 8. Social Fragmentation and Alienation: Late-stage capitalism can contribute to social fragmentation and alienation, as individuals feel disconnected from their communities and increasingly isolated in a competitive, individualistic society. This can lead to rising rates of mental health issues, substance abuse, and social unrest. 9. Global Exploitation and Inequality: Late-stage capitalism is often characterized by global economic exploitation, where wealthy nations and corporations exploit resources and labor in poorer countries for cheap production and profit. This perpetuates global inequality and perpetuates cycles of poverty and underdevelopment.

you’re right but our impulse shouldn’t be to embrace that lol

@@nayrskoorb3383 Actually we should, there is a thing called _"Too much success."_ Meaning when something get's too big, too popular from past success, it loses it's identity. It's happened with comic books, table-top games, other franchises like Star Wars & Marvel, and yes, it's happening to video games. Been happening for awhile now, and this purge is just the market correction. The Industry is shrinking due to so much mismanagement, overspending of budgets, funds, and sales not meeting those standards in return, meaning little to no profit. No Profit means cut-backs, things get canceled, possibly even shutting down some dev studios, like what happened to Volition. There so much talk that AAA gaming is dying, it won't die, but it's definitely not gonna as prominent or excessively developed as it previously was anymore. Less & less face/body motion capture tech, less star-power actor cameos, less advancement on 4K/8K/16K graphics no one really cares about, no more Live-service games hellbent to be the dominate genre. And of course: *No more consultancy agencies.* The industry is going back to basics, which means niche & small.

@@nayrskoorb3383 Yes, it should. A lot of the people that entered the industry in the last 12~ years have no business being in it - they don't have the skill necessary, and even worse, they have bad intentions towards the industry. That is to say, they don't make good games, and they have ulterior motives - the political ones end up being especially infamous.

​@@SyndicateOperativeschizo posting

Market correction from the pandemic?

Look anywhere today and there is little but talk of crisis in every human discipline and endeavor we can imagine. A "crisis," however, is a crossroad...in space and time. We're all time travelers in that sense and being "willing to pivot" in these trying times is a skill we'd all do well to learn, methinks. I don't think Tim is 100% right about this, but then there's no one I ever agree with 100%, including myself. The "myth of progress" is as much a myth as any other and that "map" is as much being taken for the territory as any other. It's no freaking wonder global civilization has lost its way. I gather that's why "Gebser cautioned against using terms like evolution, progression, or development to describe the changes in structures of consciousness that he described." (Per the Wikipedia entry on the work of Gebser. I'd caution no one can grok Gebser from the Wikipedia entry about his work alone and recommend his magnum opus to the interested: 'The Ever-Present Origin'.)

@@lrinfi It really does feel like navigating from one crisis to another. You did inspire in me to rethink my 100% alignment, too. I'd probably say that it's probably closer to 80% upon reexamination. So, thanks for that. Good addition to the conversation. I don't know what it means for "global civilization" (that's just too large a scale for me to fathom) to have lost its way if, in parsing maps, we come to crossroads. Maybe reassessing things looks a lot like being lost.

@@shockmethodx "Maybe reassessing things looks a lot like being lost." -- Well said. "that's just too large a scale for me to fathom" -- 'It's a small world, after all,' as the song goes. There are two aspects as I see it: one assimilatory (business as usual); one not; and it's difficult to tell them apart sometimes. Let's just say, "globalization" isn't all it's cracked up to be. Someone coined the term, glocalization, to describe its grassroots counterpart, but that term already has been co-opted by globalists in an effort to preserve the status quo. The landscape is very much like 'a tale of two cities' in that respect. I have my ear to the ground for specific keywords and listen primarily to those writing about ecological/systems thinking and "spirtual ecology", etc. to try and stay abreast. Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy thought the new era would be all about health and we are, in fact, hearing an awful lot about "the fifth revolution" today, but even health and wellbeing are being captured by corporate and financial interests. Gebser anticipated a "global catastrophe" and warned that the process, as he saw it, may be abortive, but if we aren't in the midst of a global catastrophe as we speak, I wouldn't know what else to call it. Most are calling the new era the Planetary Era, but that hasn't escaped the notice of opportunists either. No one can predict the future, imo. The way I see it, we can only do what we can where we are to realize "the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible," to borrow a phrase from Charles Eisenstein.

I don't recall there being any critique of capitalism in FO1... It was standard post-nuclear apocalypse setting, which resulted from a nuclear arms race.

Fallout mainly criticizes the MIC and war economies, very relevant to the 1950s theming, not broad-stroke capitalism. It's all background anyway, that society is gone and mostly irrelevant to any main plot in the series.

and all the shoemakers went on to own factories themselves i’m sure

@@nayrskoorb3383 Not sure what you mean about that. He got lucky with some of his business and jobs and some of his actions struck gold for him, different times and it doesnt mean that if he were to try again he would be able to replicate it. The important lesson is adapting as much as you can when you see the industry you're in is changing...

@@synthrunner4244who knew exploiting other people by owning the means of production and generating profit from the surplus value they produce while you sit on your fat lazy ass and rake in the money was actually a normal and fine and morally ok thing to do!? not me!

@@nayrskoorb3383 What even us this comment? Quit trying to make something negative out of things.

@@ZiddersRooFurrycapitalist exploitation is so ingrained in your brain that you’re incapable of recognizing the injustice and disparity right in front of you

gotta pay attention to how he used it. "the games industry" is too big to collapse, which is true. Game development companies? They're fair game, they can collapse. But the thing is, if those companies actually go under, they'll generate a massive power vaccum that will push other developers to their spot. That's because industries themselves never really die.

True. The "too big to fail" have failed miserably time and again and seem to have forgetten the old adage, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall." "Bigger is better and more is good" is a philosophy that's invaded nearly everything, however. Most of us have had to live with it the whole of our lives, so I try not to get bogged down in the "conventional wisdom" of the day. It's pretty obviously far from wise, but has planted words and turns of phrase in our minds that have been misused and abused so much and often they're practically meaningless and can just come tumbling out if we're not careful. That's why some insist we need "a new language" to understand one another at this point. I don't think so. I don't want to labor over every word and turn of phrase that comes out of my mouth nor coin neologisms for everything, so I don't demand that others do, either. I figure if someone wants to hear and understand what you're saying, they'll put forth the effort to do that and it may involve a bit of translation. If they don't, you may have "cast your pearls before swine to be trampled underfoot," as the saying goes. That's pretty much inevitable on the Internet, I think. So, "shake the dust from off your feet" and move on is also exceptional life advice.

It's an especially odd trend when you consider that the vast and overwhelming majority of subscription services don't turn a profit. Investors just keep pumping them full of money with the expectation/hope that they'll eventually make a profit, one day. Only that day never seems to come. Meanwhile we've inculcated an entire generation of consumers with the idea that it's perfectly normal never to own anything.

The only way to make a profit is the 'unused gym membership' model. Where you snare someone into a repeating charge while hoping they forget they have it and never ask anything of you. Another KZfaqr I follow just did an expose on how bad the value for Amazon prime is now compared to when it was introduced, and that a lot of people have had it for so long, they don't seem to notice they're being charged for services that used to be included.

Why is it always the bean counters getting blamed for everything 😂😂

@@Andonios88 Because they're the lunatics thinking that Stonks Go Up is the only law, and don't give a damn about the actual products or services they're supposed be providing. Usually because they aren't involved in the actual work and see everything as nothing more than numbers to be moved around.

@@Andonios88 KZfaq mysteriously decided to delete my comment, but the answer is that the people responsible don't care about the products or services they're supposedly providing, they only care if the bottom line is a logarithmic curve upward. Usually they're not even involved with the production, so it's just numbers.

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I’ve spoken about AI before. They absolutely are a disruptive technology, I agree. All disruptive technologies change employment markets. Yes, cars didn’t steal horses ability to move, but they did steal a lot of jobs that horses did, and with that a lot of humans lost their jobs: blacksmiths, saddle makers, trainers, etc. Similarly, the rise of pre made game engines has meant less game engine programmers. Maybe some took other game programming jobs, but some left the industry. It happened, it’s happening now, and it will happen again. I think AI will be a tool. It will allow one person to do the work of ten, just like software tools and art tools have done. I talk about this more here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbOCq8Kans3ah6s.htmlsi=JXCzdFfUk5zAHCNa

@@CainOnGamesPlease just acknowledge that we live in an unjust, cruel, exploitative society that isn’t centered around making anyone happy or helping anyone survive or anything at all other than profit for the bourgeois, and that all these innovations and disruptions in the past two centuries have therefore ultimately served those same purposes

Industry might not collapse but the job market for those videogames might shrink significantly as ai advances over the next decade it will probably allow teams to shrink in size. So devs can go indie, and try to stand out in a vast ocean of Indie games. I recall multi-award winning indie game Claybook didn't generate enough sales as it's so hard to stand out.

Except AI doesnt do what it promises and current models have no way to make something new. Also the legality of stealing other peoples art to put into models is a huge issue waiting to happen. This means you need real artist to either feed into the machince whenever you want something new or for artist to choose and edit images as needed. Some random Joe will not be able to do that, there are real life examples of that already too. Again this is like the 2D vs 3D artists. Yes there may very well be less jobs and the need to regulate is much more needed however its not the end of all artist. Its important to not go full doomer so we can motivate current artists to fight for the regulation and workers rights that are going to be needed. Though i understand how it can come off as patronizing when someone kinda glances over valid concerns but AI wasnt the topic of the video even if its very relevant.