Doesn’t that mean you aren’t a credo baptist?

@@thomasthellamas9886I was about to say the same thing lol

@@thomasthellamas9886 As a former Credo only and current supporter of Covenant Baptism I don't see his statement as an abandonment of his position but rather an acknowledgement that the other side is using biblical reasoning and that he has a better understanding of the other opinion now. I think it shows great maturity. We would all do well to emulate such willingness to be open understanding the other side regardless of whether we are convinced of their conclusion.

@@mkshffr4936 A pædobaptist would say that

@@thomasthellamas9886 Thank you.

I find more examples of Baptists moving to the PCA than the other way around. There must be a reason for that! The current Baptist theology is only skimming the scriptures and lacks depth!

Granted, that passage is more expressing that one must be as a child to enter the Kingdom.. it is not making any clear statements about baptism... A better argument is to compare it to old testament circumcision and how it (baptism) becomes a sign/seal that joins the child to the church and hopes for their future commitment to Christ.. For clarity, I'm credo-baptist

… then they went and baptised their children as the promise was for them and their children. Abraham received believer’s circumcision then since the sign of circumcision was for him and his child he then circumcised Isaac and Ishmael

​@@doctorazamat Excellently put. It's also worth pointing out that the very first person to be circumcised after Abraham, the father of the faithful, was Ishmael... who is not generally considered a believer - not considered saved and of the elect. A worthy consideration when discussing how God applies covenant signs to whole households, even covenant signs that communicate ideas of faith. Ismael was rightly given the covenant sign of faith as part of Abraham's household, but Paul identifies him as an example in Romans 9 when demonstrating the concept that 'they are not all Israel, which are of Israel' [presumably - they are not all spiritually Israel, who are physically and covenantally Israel]. Worth considering for the Baptist who restricts the covenantal sign only to individuals with outward professions of personal faith and who wonders how infant household members can be given a covenantal sign of faith (baptism) and promise. God bless!

@Luke Jonah Samuel Matthew This video has nothing to do with baptismal regeneration or Roman Catholic infant baptism. This video is making a case for protestant covenantal infant baptism which does not teach baptismal regeneration. This view has been held by notable protestant theologians such as Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, John Knox, and John Calvin.

@Luke Jonah Samuel Matthew I'm not saying I agree with infant baptism. I'm actually a Baptist. I'm just pointing out that among those that practice infant baptism not all share the same views on it's meaning, preferred mode, or its exact relationship to salvation. Luther and Calvin didn't share the exact same view for instance.

Whoever will not RECEIVE the Kingdom of God like a tiny child will never enter it.

The word Baptism is used in many different contexts so one must be careful in their exegesis. Consider OT proselyte baptism (Which BTW included the entire household) and various other ritual washings and sacrificial rites (e.g. baptising a bird in blood). In the NT we have baptism with the spirit as well. To understand covenant baptism you have to go beyond surface proof texting and look at the unfolding of redemptive history. You may still reject it but you do yourself no favors by rejecting it out of hand with trite or simplistic assertions. Your fourth point is pure strawmanning.

Why?

babies can’t make promises

I don’t think the “loving” aspect is the relevant aspect, rather it is the “fair” trait He has. Ezekiel 18 is clear that no one is born with sin like some churches preach. If you have never sinned you cannot be accountable for sin. And that’s why babies who die go to heaven

@@TinyFord1 ”Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.“ ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51‬:‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

I don’t know any denomination that ONLY baptizes infants?

@@nicholasjackson4721 The video is about the infant baptism, not the believer's baptism that most if not all denominations subscribe to, so please understand from the context. I even entered “children” at the start of the comment, so we can get clarification between “children” and “infants” since the bible never uses the word “infants”, but “children” when we talk of the covenant. Infants are commonly referred to 0-1 year old. PCA’s BCO leaves the age limit to local churches. My church uses arbitrary 4 year old as the cut off age. That means it is really “children’s baptism”, not “infant baptism”.

@@thomasc9036 Correct. Baptism is a choice. Infants cannot make a choice like this. They cannot 'believe', and therefore, cannot be baptized. There is also the age of accountability that the guy in this video did not bring up, which is common among people who believe in infant baptism. They leave out scripture opposing their views. That is one example of many.

⁠@@RelentlessSportsman Where do you get that baptism is a choice? Jesus commanded it. Mat 28:19 (read 30 seconds into the video) Also, where in scripture does the age of accountability come up with baptism? I don’t see it. Here’s a few things I do get though. Baptism… grants forgiveness and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38-39) clothes you in Christ (Gal 3:27) cleanses and saves you (1 Peter 3:21) Baptism is God’s work. Not ours. It’s not our “look at me, I’ve arrived, I’m a Christian” moment. We don’t have to meet some standard for God’s grace to be poured out in baptism. His work is not limited by our age, our mental capabilities or thankfully our (myself included) scriptural understanding. God’s Peace (Phil 4:7)

Unbiblical? Citation please

Can we say that about circumcision, too? Were the babies just eight days old when ‘somebody’ cut their foreskin to be? I don’t thank that is how we handle scripture. Baptism is not merely an event , but an ongoing reminder of the gospel and our need for cleansing that comes from the Lord, even though it takes place once.

@@GBannoura I was addressing a specific quote. A baby cannot/does not understand, nor remember their baptism, so it in no way "giv[es] them a picture of the gospel." That's just flawed reasoning. As for circumcision? That's a daily reminder, and it's done specifically at 8 days of age so that the baby doesn't remember the act, and heals properly from it. They have no recollection of the act, but as they grow older they permanently have the sign. That doesn't work with infants and water baptism.

@@beowulf.reborn it gives them the picture in the sense of explaining it to them as they grow and learn about God and His salvation. That is why I said it is not just an event. Same argument goes for circumcision. It is has a spiritual meaning behind it.

@Luke Jonah Samuel Matthew , infant baptism is woven throughout the entirety of the Bible. You don't just read the New Testament, brother.

@@ryehlb Give me a single example if there’s so many. I’m eager to hear what kind of acrobatics you have to do when it comes to interpreting these passages.

OIKOS covenant baptism is the standard for all new testament baptisms

Immersion only. Where does it say that.

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit Context of the time first century Didiche

I really liked all the references to scripture you used to form your argument here, otherwise I'd be worried I was just listening to some "man made" opinion. Thanks!

@SilentEcho4178 if there was a reference to support the practice of infant baptism I would have referenced it. But in light of the fact that there is no reference your comment applies very well to the pedobaptists as they have no biblical example. Which is why I reference the honest denominational historians that acknowledge that in their writings.

Supposing that baptism is a sign of the new covenant, which is debatable

LOGH reference on a WTS video? My universes are colliding.

@@ffrock1901 What is LOGH?

@@siegfriedkircheis9484 baptism in the new covenant is called a pledge not a sign (1 Peter 3:21-22) and it is VERY New Covenant since it is from a good conscience towards God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ! The sign of the New Covenant is the cup (Luke 22:20)

But the earliest Christians being Jews would have been shocked if it had been changed. They would have "had questions". We have no evidence of any such controversy and indications of the practice of infant baptism very early in church history. Seems strange if such a radical change in fact took place. It should at least give one pause.

Baptism is Christ’s work, not ours.

@@flintparker5488 Why did Jesus tell His disciples to: Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.’ Amen.

Jesus was giving them the tools to go make more disciples, baptising in His name and the teaching of His word.

@@flintparker5488 Just so you know, the subject matter is infant baptism.

Haha. Yeah. I know. I responded directly to your own question. ??? I know it was a short answer but I definitely didn’t stray from the subject of baptism. Infant baptism is baptism. Earlier you quoted Acts 2:38. Awesome! That’s a great verse telling us about baptism… And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Every one of you? Peter is telling them that baptism is for everyone. For the forgiveness of sins? Yes. Being baptized delivers forgiveness. Who needs that? We all do. We are all born sinners. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit? Wow! Peter tells us we get the gift of the Holy Spirit in baptism. No way is baptism man’s work. Keep reading Acts 2:39… For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” It’s for who? You, your children and all who are far off? Peter again tells us that Gods promise in baptism is for everyone! When you look at baptism as man’s work, it’s hard to make sense of it as anything other than some act of obedience. I’ve been there. After all, we are saved by faith, right?! But where does our faith come from? From Christ himself. The gift and promise of baptism is not contingent on our faith, our knowledge, our age, our reasoning or understanding, nor anything else we can do. Baptism is not us worthily coming to God. Baptism is Christ’s grace coming to us, strengthening our faith and giving us new life. (Rom 6:4)

1.) “Children” is broad, I believe in baptizing children too, just not babies. Why? 2.) “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Romans 10:9 ESV Faith and profession in Christ is necessary BEFORE baptism. Why? Paul defines baptism as “Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.” Romans 6:3-4 ESV So baptism is symbolic of the death and resurrection of Christ, but one must make a PROFESSION of (seemingly) genuine faith before baptism. Infants can’t do that. Infants have no capacity to speak, nor understand the gospel message itself. 3.) There are 0 biblical examples of infant baptism. 4.) Deep down you know your kid isn’t a true believer in Christ just because you put some water on them. Let’s be real 😂

@93jabob the promise of baptism was made to you AND your CHILDREN according to Holy Scripture, as Baptism replaced circumcision, also not necessary for babies to understand, as the faith of the Family justified the child before God and saved him, just as the Faith of the friends of the Paralytic man saved him. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

@@matthewbroderick6287 1. What does Peter say right before that? “And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 ESV - explain to me how a baby repents. V.41 “So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.” - how does an infant receive the Word of God? Receiving the Word clearly means understand the gospel message, and coming to faith. 2.) you still have not given me a single example of infant baptism. Because there is nothing indicating that babies were baptized during the sermon at Pentecost. 3.) If you think the faith or family of your friends saves you, you’ve got some messed up theology, bro. I hate to tell you this, but when you stand before Jesus to give an account of all you have done, you will be ALONE (Rom 14:13). 4.) You still didn’t address the broadness of “children.” What in the text to you indicates that infants in specific must be baptized? Additionally, there are (unfortunately) plenty of children who are raised in Christian homes with loving parents who never come to faith. It’s not the parents’ faith that brings a child to Christ. You must have a personal relationship with Him for true salvific faith. 5.) Baptism did not replace circumcision. Circumcision was a REQUIRED part of entering into the Abrahamic Covenant (Gen 14) - baptism is NOT required for saving faith (Luke23:39-43) -Circumcision represent a very specific ethnic and people group - baptism was meant to go into the whole WORLD (Mat 28:18) - circumcision was merely a shadow that pointed TOWARD the true circumcision of the heart that would take place through the Holy Spirit (Rom 2:28-29).

@93jabob baptism did replace circumcision, as circumcision brought people into Covenant with God, so now baptism. Indeed, it was Peter the rock and sole key holder, who stood up and put an end to all the debating at the council of Jerusalem Regarding circumcision, since SCRIPTURE ALONE COULD NOT, as Peter authoritatively ruled that circumcision of the Flesh was no longer necessary, even though Holy Scripture said that it was. Again, the promise of baptism was made to you AND your CHILDREN, as stated in Acts, and all members of households were baptized. Again, as circumcised babies had no say or clue about being brought into Covenant with God, but by the faith of their parents did this come to save them, so too now baptism. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

@@matthewbroderick6287 Your theology is completely wrong and you cited 0 scripture to support your claim. Jesus held the Key, not Peter. No one’s faith but your own can save you. There is nothing in the NT that suggests familial salvation. Faith is obviously desired to continued throughout generations, but only your personal relationship with Christ can bring you salvific faith. You addressed none of my points, and just keep repeating the same thing. Read your Bible, please. That’s where the authority is. Not the Church. John 14:6

Hey Chris, if you are a super strong believer & claim the truthfulness of Christianity with all your heart, then as a responsible parent wouldn't it be stupid not to include your entire family in the Faith, even your babies? I know I would. Forget about scripture, that's common sense bro.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@hamidrabiipour9707 you ended your comment by saying “forget about scripture” and that’s exactly the problem. Scripture is the supreme authority and truth not common sense. Your argument makes zero sense, respectfully. Baptizing your children is NOT including them in the faith. Give me a verse in the Bible that says when you baptize your babies they are now included in the faith? Just one verse. 1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. When you become a believer your children and household are now sanctified by you being a Christian. They still need to profess their own faith in Christ but they become benefactors of the grace of God because of your belief not because of baptism. Baptism is a result of one having a good conscience toward God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 3:21. A baby does not have a conscience. I’m giving you scripture and what the Bible says not my opinion. This doctrine is man made and has no biblical legs to stand on. And only an honest Christian would admit that. If you want to baptize your babies, go ahead. But don’t make it into a doctrine that you say the Bible supports and/or teaches because it doesn’t. Baptizing babies is outside of the biblical reason for baptism.

@@hamidrabiipour9707You can’t forget about the scripture because that’s how you judge by the scripture. How said the household included infants that bible never said that.

If you want to put water on your baby and call it baptism, that's fine. The moment you say that baptism has salvific effects, we have an issue. Baptism doesn't save (Luke 23:39-43), let alone infant baptism to babies who can't understand Christ, the gospel, or repent.

@@93jabob And that is not the position of covenant baptism.

He’s quoting scripture- pick one

Infant baptism wasn’t a thing until the 2 to 3rd century. It wasn’t taught by the Apostles it was a traditional invented teaching. Not too much!!! I was baptized at 7 and filled with the power of the Holyghost at 9. Train your children, don’t force them! What’s the point of baptism as an infant if they haven’t repented; the promise is for those who believe!!!! If my child doesn’t believe it’s not valid. Many people have been baptized as infants and bare no fruit of Holyghost.

You believe that even infant John was filled with the Spirit. Why then do you deny infant baptism?

@@Mygoalwogel Maybe it is because I was water baptized as an infant, but was lost without Christ for the first 45 years of my life. Maybe it is because many thousands of those baptized in water as infants ended up becoming atheists.

@@SpotterVideo I know people who made tearful commitments to Christ and ended up falling away. That people can later deny the faith they once believed and grieve the Holy Spirit who once filled them does not prove that their teachers were wrong.

@@Mygoalwogel Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit) Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church? The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again) Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.) Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment) ============ Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says? What did Peter say below? Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13) “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.) Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5) Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant) How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist? Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ? Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant (CSB) They are physical regulations and only deal with food, drink, and various washings imposed until the time of the new order. (ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (ESV+) but deal only with R5food and drink and R6various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation. (GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things. (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357 (NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. (NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established. (YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them . ================================================================================================= What brings all denominations together into one Body? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Watch the KZfaq videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

@@SpotterVideo Matthew 3:15 Jesus insisted that even John's baptism was fitting for them to fulfill all righteousness. A servant is not greater than his Lord. Matthew 3:16 In baptism, the Father claims the Son. The Spirit rests on the Son. Matthew 21:25 Mere water baptism is a gift from Heaven. Matthew 28:19 Make disciples by baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and by teaching. Mark 1:4 Mere water baptism repentance grants the forgiveness of sins. Mark 16:16 Baptized believers are saved, unbelievers condemned. Luke 7:29 Even water baptism is a public declaration that God is righteous. Luke 7:30 Rejecting even mere water baptism = rejecting God's purpose for you. John 1:31, 33 John knew beforehand that God would reveal the Christ through water baptism. Acts 2:38 Repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus = forgiveness and the Spirit. Acts 2:39-41 3000 bachelors, virgins, wives, husbands, and children of all ages (family festival) *received forgiveness and the Spirit in water baptism.* The smallest can't have decided to repent in a mature way, but they were not excluded. Acts 8 Many early church Bible readers saw a distinction between the Spirit's invisible gift of repentance/forgiveness and the Spirit's visible gift of leadership/ordination. Philip the Evangelist could baptize but not bestow spiritual authority. Only the apostles could do that. Acts 10:47-48 Baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism. Acts 22:16 *Baptism washes away sins.* Romans 6:3-5 *Water Baptism (Spirit baptism does **_not_** bury) is death to sin, death with Christ, newness of life in Christ, and resurrection with Christ.* 1 Corinthians 1:13 Baptism must not turn into hero worship, cliques, and factionalism. 1 Corinthians 12:13 Baptism is unity in the one Holy Spirit in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Even heretical baptism declares the resurrection of the dead. Galatians 3:27-28 Baptism clothes every member of the body of Christ in equality. Ephesians 3:5 There is one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. Ephesians 5:26 *Baptism sanctifies the Church because it is the washing of water with the word.* Colossians 2:11 Water Baptism is the Spiritual circumcision, the circumcision of Christ. Colossians 2:12 Christ was buried. You were buried with Christ *in water baptism.* God raised Christ from the dead. You believe God raised Christ from the dead. Therefore, God raised you with Christ *in baptism.* This is all *God’s powerful work.* Hebrews 6:1-2 *Baptism is a basic foundational teaching. You can't say you believe in Jesus while rejecting his basic teachings.* 1 Peter 3:20 Noah was saved by water, not from water. The flood waters washed away much evil. 1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now *saves you!* Baptism is assurance/demand of a good conscience before God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This verse summarizes all that has been said above. _Why do Christians baptize?_ [Jesus] said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:15-16 _Why do Christians baptize infants?_ Infants are included in “the whole creation.” _But we are only to baptize “whoever believes”! Can infants believe?_ Indeed, they can. John the Baptist had and demonstrated faith from his mother’s womb. “And of the Holy Spirit he shall be filled even from the womb of his mother. ... And it happened that as [Elizabeth] heard Mary’s greeting, the child leapt in her womb.” Luke 1:15, 41. A psalmist had faith from birth. “For You are my hope, O Lord GOD; You are my trust from my youth. I have *relied upon you from my birth;* You are He who took me out of my mother’s womb.” Psalm 71:5-6.Timothy had faith in the Gospel from infancy. “From infancy you have known the holy writings.” 2 Timothy 3:15.David had faith from birth. “You have made me to trust while on the breasts of my mother. I have relied on you since birth; from the time I came out of my mother’s womb you have been my God.” Psalm 22:9.David and Jesus do not find it incredible that nursing infants can praise God in faith. “And Jesus said to them, “Yes. Have you never read,‘ Out of the mouth of babies and nursing infants You have perfected praise’?” Matthew 21:16. _But surely those infants were special cases. How can infants believe today?_ Jesus commands us not to hinder those who wish to bring their infants to him. In fact, he calls them to himself, and says not that they are brought, but that they come to him. “Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. And when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But when Jesus saw this, he was indignant with [the disciples]. Jesus called them to himself, saying, ‘Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.’ And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.” Mt 19:13-15; Lk 18:15-17; Mk 10:13-16 _But Jesus did not baptize the children. He put his hands on them and held them. Is that the same?_ “For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.” 1 Corinthians 12:15. There is no way to be closer to Jesus than this! _But in addition to faith, the Bible nearly always connects baptism to repentance. Can children repent?_ No one can repent without the Holy Spirit. No one can have the Holy Spirit without repentance. “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38. No one can enter the Kingdom without repentance. "The Kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” Mark 1:15. Yet children certainly can receive the Holy Spirit and enter the Kingdom, as shown above.

Not holy in terms of sinless genius this isn’t baptismal regeneration it simply means that they are set apart not in a regenerative sense

As @Dragon Flies rightly points out, you're misapplying the idea of holy, which is to be 'set apart', and doesn't mean sinless or even necessarily saved. 1st Corinthians 7 even states than an unbeliever is made holy by their believing spouse - that doesn't specify necessarily that this means that person is 'chosen before birth' or saved.

Sometimes we have a habit of forgetting that words have multiple meanings. By doing so we fall into absurdities such as being forced to believe that the utensils and furnishings of the temple were not only saved but fully perfected in obedience.

Baptism circumcises our hearts, read Romans 6, the infant dies to sin and is raised together with Christ in baptism. This is mentioned in several other passages as well.

@@henrka Colossians says they’re brought up through their faith. Babies have no faith.

@@abh3designs364 who says babies have no faith ? John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while in the womb. (Luke 1:13). Jeremiah 1:5 also says that the prophet Jeremiah came to faith in the womb. These are two clear examples that you not only can come to faith in infant baptism when you are 5 years old, but even earlier when you are in the womb.

@@henrkaThe holyghost fell on them in the womb also different covenant. The Holyspirit fell on specific people not all believers in that time.

Hey lies, If your heart is sizzling with Jesus & you believe in the truthfulness of Christianity, then wouldn't it be stupid not to include your entire family in the Faith, even your babies? Too many Christians have full knowledge of Scripture in their brains but their hearts are empty & that's sad .

Hey do you have an email I can reach out to you with? Regarding some questions on this topic?

@@Tannerbeats I've made two attempts to send you my email address, but each time I look back, it has vanished. I suspect that's some kind of automated rule for KZfaq.

@@Mygoalwogel thank you

No he was never circumcised in heart.

Why do you forbid infant baptism?

He used plenty of scripture

@@phsx2890 0 that justified baptizing a baby.

Baptism doesn’t save. Luke 23:39-43

@@93jabob Baptism is not necessary for salvation, that is true as the passage you point out states. That said too many passages in scripture state that baptism saves, because when we are baptized we receive Christ’s benefits and are filled with the Holy Spirit. Romans 6 says that we die to sin with Christ and are risen with Him, i.e. in baptism we are united to Christ. Baptism is a means of grace, just like the word, and the Lord’s supper. The word is received by faith, the Lord’s supper by eating the bread and wine, and baptism when water is applied, in all three cases the remission of sins is bestowed on us.

Well, if somebody renounces their baptism and rejects it he would be trampling on the blood of the covenant and perish in hell, but I agree with you that otherwise there is no reason to doubt a baptized person will not go to heaven. As long as people stay in the faith, they will not perish.but if they reject the faith and embrace worldly living then baptism will profit them nothing.

@@henrka I believe that baptism is merely symbolic of your death to the old flesh and being raised to life in Christ Jesus If baptism has a salvific quality, how do you rationalize Luke 23:42-43? All that guy had was a profession of faith and a changed heart.

@@93jabob You are correct that for people that come to faith by hearing the word of God as the thief on the cross, they are saved even if they are not baptized subsequently, and those that are baptized, their baptism confirms their faith, it is an extra layer of assurance. But even if you are baptized after you came to faith by hearing the word, you can look at your baptism as having saved you and removed your sin because the Bible assigns saving power to baptism, it is not just the water but the promises of God (his Word) attached to the water.

And as Jews they would expect their children to be a part of the covenant community and to receive the sign. If this were to be changed we would expect some kind of controversy such as we see with the Jerusalem council and the inclusion of Gentiles etc. We would also expect some apostolic justification of the change yet we see neither.

Perhaps you need to check you sense of smell. The practise long predates the Roman Catholics. Over the years RC doctrine developed around it which the reformers soundly rejected. The reformation was an exercise in restoring the biblical faith and practice that had become polluted over the centuries and they did not forget baptism in that project.

this is incorrect on both accounts

@@tjs.5044 Not according to my Bible

@@GermanShepherd1983 Am I wrong to assume we have the same Bible? Brother I mean no offense but I find it likely you haven't studied this issue very hard. I understand why not, it's sometimes hard to challenge your own views and traditions especially when everyone you know holds to the Baptist view as well. I grew up with the Baptist view, and it wasn't until a month ago I finally decided to actually look into it and be fair. So far I've read three books on Infant baptism and (am by no means done with my study of baptism) I'm now leaning toward infant baptism as I'm reading through a fourth book on the subject. I used to go blue in the face arguing infant baptism when I was a Baptist, but now I look back and cringe at how ignorant I was. Whether you end up changing your view or not, do the honest and diligent work of taking the time to hear the best arguments from the other side. Otherwise you look foolish. And I say this with love brother, but refusing to do your homework on any given issue is absolutely laziness. The Bible calls us to be diligent workers rather than sluggards.

@@GermanShepherd1983 your Bible must not speak of baptizing disciples then huh

@@tjs.5044 What??? Of course the disciples were baptized and they were baptized as adult believers.

There's no debate... they both adhere to infant baptism. That would be a remarkably short cross examination. "Do you affirm infant baptism?" "Yes." "Great. Me too." The end.

No one is trying to be dishonest your comment is nonsense you clearly have no grasp of Covenantal theology and the basis for infant baptism.

Water baptism was for the Jewish disciples. Jesus never baptized anyone with water: John 4:1-3. Why not? Because Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Apostle Paul same is the same. The only water baptism by Him was to the Jewish people. There is no record of any Gentile baptized by water. Eph 4:5, there is only one baptism (the Holy Spirit), not 2: water and spiritual. I Cor 12:1-14. Acts 19:1-7. Col 2:11.

With all due respect, saying it's tradition is a reflection of ignorance on historical theology.

Your comment is a clear ignorance of the reformed theology on infant baptism

@@stevevantubergen4687 Bro Jesus told the disciples to baptize ALL NATIONS. Mat 2:19 - what are you trying to argue for? Jesus also told Nicodemus: John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." ESV

Says you.

@@mkshffr4936 Circumcision was for the Jewish people and there’s no link between the two no where in scripture not one. It’s silly to suggest otherwise. This is just made up by reform adherents

@@kevinsheridan5405 You are wrong but just be careful you don't drown in the rain.

@@mkshffr4936 Federalism will send people to hell

The main hang up for me (former credo only) was a modern dispensational assumption of radical discontinuity between the covenants. Once I understood that just as Israel was the covenant people of God including those who were not circumcised in heart the analogous situation exists in the new testament covenant community including those baptized as adults who are not truly regenerate. "Not all Israel was of Israel" and not all in the church are of the church. The sign and the thing signified are not and never have been identical. Similarly the participation in the body and blood of Christ through the sacrament of communion is not universally present for all who take part in it.

P.S. Ben Merkle's "Short History of Baptizing Short People" is helpful as is Francis Schaefer's short treatise on infant baptism and the Late R.C. Sproul's video teachings on the subject.

@@mkshffr4936 Thanks! I appreciate the thoughtful response. I have been studying this for a while and see much more continuity than discontinuity between the old and new covenant. I think the last hangup I have is answering the question “does the new covenant apply to families the same way the old covenant did?” This is specifically in regards to infant baptism. The verses I see in the New Testament that speak of family covenants directly seem to be the apostles speaking to Jews about the fulfillment of the old covenant promises to families.

@@tropicalpines4585 You are very welcome.

I would say you are wrong about all but your first statement but I also believed the same as you until I studied it later in life (long story).

To clarify This would be a Lutheran or RC view which is _not_ the subject of this video which is covenant baptism such as practiced by Presbyterians and other Reformed denominations.

@@mkshffr4936 OK if what you are saying is true, there is no point in baptizing your child. If baptism does not save and does not remit sins, it is a waste of time to baptize infants, you may as well wait until your children grow and are adults. According to you baptism does not confer salvific benefits. Your position on baptism not only contradicts a Luther, it also contradicts Calvin who agreed with Luther and affirmed in baptism all sin is taken away and regeneration is conferred, if a baptized infant dies he goes to heaven thanks to his baptism was Calvin’s position.

@@henrka I don't see how that follows. Is nothing that does not remit sin of any value at all? From Romans 3... 1. Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? 2. Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. 3. What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? 4. By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, The Lord's supper does not convey regeneration either yet we are instructed to keep it. From Calvin's Institutes... Peter also says that “baptism also doth now save us” (1 Peter 3:21). For he did not mean to intimate that our ablution and salvation are perfected by water, or that water possesses in itself the virtue of purifying, regenerating, and renewing; nor does he mean that it is the cause of salvation, but only that the knowledge and certainty of such gifts are _perceived_ in this sacrament.

@@mkshffr4936 OK, you are correct that water alone does not save us, baptism now saves us though , because water is accompanied by the word. In baptism, we receive aJesus Christ. Now some may reject him, but they have still received him through baptism. In baptism the infant comes to faith and receives the gift of the Holy Spirit, some infants will resist the Holy Spirit, but every infant that is saved was saved by the holy spiritual received at baptism. I am going to link two episodes of the White Horse Inn for you to hear, where Michael Horton explains that baptism is a washing of regeneration, it is he entrance to the new covenant, in the new covenant as explained in Jeremiah God gives us faith. Nobody enters the new covenant without being born again, period. Horton clearly says that in baptism everybody receives he seed of regeneration. Now you are correct that some people will not persevere in the faith, and as such baptism does not save them, baptism saves only the elect. So in baptism every infant receives the seed of regeneration, but in some that seed does not come to fruition like in the parable of the sower. Hear Michael Horton explain on this link, I will give you a second link to another White Horse Inn post just after this post in a separate post. whitehorseinn.org/resource-library/shows/baptism/

@@mkshffr4936 Here is the link to the second White Horse Inn episode where White Horse Inn hosts explain hat baptism is a means of grace, not a symbol which was Zwingli’s position unlike Calvin’s. Baptism as a means of grace is a sign (water) that confers the thing signified (the remission of sins). If you separate the sign (water) from the thing signified (faith, regeneration and the forgiveness of sin) you are like a gnostic, god forgives sins through physical elements (e.g. water, blood,),:and you cannot separate the remission of sins from the water without falling into Gnosticism. Baptism is objective, I.e. it is a means of grace that confers what it promises, in baptism we are given forgiveness of sin, faith and regeneration ( or the seed of regeneration as Calvin out it). Here is the link, whitehorseinn.org/resource-library/shows/what-is-baptism/

A lot of nonsense here. See the Septuagint rendering of OT passages regarding the various washings and sacrifices. Words have multiple meanings. Some do imerse infants but it is in no way demanded by the language.