Infinite Upgrades Just Got A Massive Update! (Bloons TD 6)

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5 ай бұрын

INFINITE Upgrades Got A Massive Update... BTD6 / Bloons TD 6 - ascended towers is a mod that allows you to purchase infinite upgrades of damage, attack speed and pierce... but now this update makes it also apply to farms as well as a plethora of other interactions!
Thanks to doombubbles for the mod: github.com/doombubbles/ascend...
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@BTDIsab 5 ай бұрын

One thing I guess not mentioned/taken into account is that every subsequent ascended upgrade becomes a lower percentage of the overall tower's cost, hence why the efficiency didn't really tail off lol Check out more of this mod that I covered initially a while ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bKh-frSTt8uoYqM.html

@PHNTMHIVE 5 ай бұрын

i love u

@inkedoutfoxy 5 ай бұрын

Hi isab

@ky_mendez 5 ай бұрын

7h ago it just got posted 7 mins ago??????

@lux1109 5 ай бұрын

@@ky_mendezHe can comment on the video before posting it

@RickMattison314 5 ай бұрын

Ascended Upgrades + Max Towers, please!!!

@TheEvilVargon 5 ай бұрын

The alch at 10:20 had the super attack speed buff - so it looked like it was only on newly placed towers

@AgentXNumX 5 ай бұрын

Well i think the buff was being overwritten by the primary mentoring, thats why the dart monkey and tac did not gain the buffs

@xQcBiggestFan 5 ай бұрын

Thank you Isab for endlessly pumping Sauda and us full with fun BTD content

@Danthepanman1 5 ай бұрын

This needs to be the second most liked comment

@courraffe 5 ай бұрын

"Endlessly pumping sauda" 🤨 💀

@chespinmaster7116 5 ай бұрын

That’s not the only thing he’s endlessly pumping Sauda full with

@Bugser64 5 ай бұрын

average rule 34 comment

@weirdooftheyear 5 ай бұрын

Of course there's some 12-year olds in ISAB's comment section who have never gone outside and think sex is peak comedy.

@saxassoon 5 ай бұрын

I know the ascended mod just got reworked, but id love to see a mode that let you ascend non tier 5 towers. Would love to see a 0-0-0 100x100x100x beast handler just WHACKING things with his stick

@bonkser 5 ай бұрын

whacking things with his stick

@marioman3142 5 ай бұрын

guys named purple bloon:

@ParagonQuille Ай бұрын

specifically *WHACKING* with the most emphasis possible

@seekthuth2817 5 ай бұрын

The worst part about this mod is it forced Isab to buy laser shock on his MAD 😔

@Name-..- 5 ай бұрын

It didn’t look at the tack zone he got all strength speed and force upgrades on it He chose to get laser shock

@utkarshkaniyar6210 5 ай бұрын

@@Name-..-huh?

@altsadhara 5 ай бұрын

@@Name-..- You can't get _any_ ascended upgrades without maxing a tower (i.e., 2-5-0 dart). So he had to get laser shock.

@willdiaz943 5 ай бұрын

Speed and strength still effectively stack multiplicatively. Because the cost increases by 10% of the level 1 ascension ($500), while each upgrade's strength grows by 10% of the base tower due to strength and speed stacking, the efficiency of ascension upgrades never drops. As long as the base tower costs more than ~$50,000, upgrading speed and strength together is always worth it. For towers that get full use out of pierce, namely spike factory, upgrading all 3 ascension paths still lets a tower get hyper efficient.

@user-gt2iy6ce5d 5 ай бұрын

I was going to comment this. Hopefully this reply helps your comment so more people can see it.

@michaelstroud1850 5 ай бұрын

I did the math in a spreadsheet because I was curious. The steady state max efficiency was 15% on medium mode with no monkey town. It did not diverge when I did my speadsheet but when I went back to my calc two days I did some algebra and the and saw that the infinite sum did diverge. Its a cool interaction and worth some more looking into.

@HashimAl-Atassi2013 5 ай бұрын

I couldnt be bothered to calculate for other towers, but the 5-2-0 banana farm maxes out at 6.608 rounds to pay the full cost, at 312 upgrades. each upgrade after that will make the tower approach 6.67 rounds. Im not really sure how to calculate efficiency for damaging towers, but i think there would be a point at which the efficiency starts getting worse.

@seanah6428 5 ай бұрын

⁠⁠⁠@@HashimAl-Atassi2013 Towers like carpet of spikes will continue to become more efficient (dps/(total cost)) forever. Their dps is damage x (attacks per second) x pierce. Each one of these scales linearly with upgrades leading to an overall cubic scaling. The total cost scales quadratically. (Base price) + 3 * 250 n^2 + 14250 n. (Assuming you upgrade all paths evenly and n = number of upgrades on each path). Since cubic functions grow faster than quadratics, dps/cost ratio will approach infinite as n approaches infinity.

@shellytheturtle1295 5 ай бұрын

6:06 Isab getting crazy 😮😂

@Acro 5 ай бұрын

def Sauda

@miranhaespada1381 5 ай бұрын

10:10 that speed buff is working, it worked in the alq But the primary training was overrading the effect on primary towers

@badateverything2931 5 ай бұрын

smart

@CoolJ4zz 5 ай бұрын

thank you isab for showing us how infinite upgrades just got a massive update

@ViIvaNunner 5 ай бұрын

i think top path engi with attack speed could be fun; especially if its ascended ultra boosted if that effects the sentries too

@AltraHapi 5 ай бұрын

Just tell ISAB to smash his pc with a hammer at that point

@tyleralonso3502 5 ай бұрын

another thing to note is that the ascended upgrades will still never scale off because the price increases linearly, while getting both the increased speed and damage results in a quadratic increase in power

@HashimAl-Atassi2013 5 ай бұрын

it is always worth it to upgrade the farms. Even though the upgrades are only additive, the production rate and amount still multiply, meaning that the total money per round is based on the square of the upgrades bought. this means that the max efficiency is 312 upgrades in each path, but if you keep upgrading the efficiency will never go below 20/3 rounds to pay off the entire farm.

@badateverything2931 5 ай бұрын

why is 312 max efficiency

@dorijanlendvaj8356 5 ай бұрын

@@badateverything2931 You want to maximize (1+(x/10))^2/(125450+10000x+500x(x-1)); (1+(x/10))^2 is the cash multiplier from buying x of each upgrade, 125450 is the base cost of the banana central, 5000x+250x(x-1) is the cost of buying x ascended upgrades from 1 path and multiply that by 2 to get x of both paths. From there, you can just write "maximize (1+(x/10))^2/(125450+10000x+500x(x-1))" in wolfram alpha, or you can solve it by hand: To maximize (1+(x/10))^2/(125450+10000x+500x(x-1)), its derivative needs to be 0. Let f(x)=(1+(x/10))^2=x^2/100+x/5+1 and g(x)=125450+10000x+500x(x-1)=500x^2+9500x+125450. The derivative of f(x)/g(x) is (f'(x)g(x)-f(x)g'(x))/g(x)^2, so for it to be 0 we need f'(x)g(x)=f(x)g'(x). f'(x)=x/50+1/5 and g'(x)=1000x+9500, so we get (x/50+1/5)(500x^2+9500x+125450)=(x^2/100+x/5+1)(1000x+9500). Expand both sides to get 10x^3+290x^2+4409x+25090=10x^3+295x^2+2900x+9500, so 5x^2-1509x-15590=0. From there you can just use the quadratic formula to get the answers x=-10(obviously not what we're looking for) and x=311.8.

@shoopdahoop678 5 ай бұрын

I wonder if the increased effect of attack speed buffs takes effect on the tower being buffed (ie dont upgrade the jungle drums village, upgrade the monkeys being buffed). Also, Inferno ring seems like a good pick to show off the force upgrade. Giving the meteor more pierce and a faster cooldown?

@badateverything2931 5 ай бұрын

nah the alch was hyper speed tho

@SkinnyB0nez000 5 ай бұрын

if I'm understanding this correctly then 1 ascended strength upgrade on the banana central increased the money per crate by 120. he was making more than 5 crates a round and the cost of ascended strength was going up by 500. that means each ascended strength was making more than 500 more per round so you would be able to buy an infinite amount of upgrades at some point..

@Megamind_mog 5 ай бұрын

Isab did so well lasting so long always pushing through for us

@voidblood2574 5 ай бұрын

It could be that the village wasn’t working because it was overridden by the other village, making it so that the ascended upgrades didn’t matter because it wasn’t being applied

@bielffkfialho 5 ай бұрын

makes sense, the alch got hyper speed when he dropped him for a second there

@scottwhitman9868 5 ай бұрын

When youre getting both speed and strength since these multiply eachother you have quadratic scaling of dps with quadratic scaling of overall cost, so neither will outstrip the other

@HashimAl-Atassi2013 5 ай бұрын

the scaling of the cost eventually overtakes the scaling of power and the efficiency goes down, but it is still worth it to keep upgrading the same tower, because even tho the efficiency is decreasing it is still above normal towers

@scottwhitman9868 5 ай бұрын

@@HashimAl-Atassi2013 did you read my comment

@fluffydemon6439 5 ай бұрын

i think jungle drums buffed wasn't taking effect due to buff priority or smth. primary monkeys were affected by primary training village, most likely it was overriding the stronger jungle drums. also because the alch was attacking super quickly

@neonintention 5 ай бұрын

6:10 "a certain type of hero." Alright ISAB, mind telling us who that hero is?

@frujey 3 ай бұрын

Oh, we already know.😏

@seanwhitehall4652 2 ай бұрын

I like how ISAB used to be unnerved by this but now just embraces it.

@brasilballs 5 ай бұрын

maybe the buff strength increase only applies if the buff is applied *after* the upgrades are bought? it would make sense since the village applies its buffs instantly and permabrew does as well, but the ultraboost requires an ability activation to apply its buff so you'd have time to buy upgrades beforehand

@ClayGaming-zd7es 5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much ISAB for pumping and dumping all your cash into a certain type of hero

@hangover22star32 5 ай бұрын

Very nice Video but I was so looking forward to seeing how much money AND damage the suntemple would generate/do. I mean there’s a video I’m looking forward to but anyways MERRY CHRISTMAS GUYS 🥰

@Lil_Cares 5 ай бұрын

Also what makes this mod a lot more op then it was last time is they fixed all the glitch like spending double the one for one upgrade

@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 5 ай бұрын

I don't know how possible this would to actually code but it'd be an interesting adjustment to this mod to make it so that you could do ascended upgrades at any point, not just on a tier 5 tower, so like if you wanted, you could get a t2 tower, get 3 damage upgrades, and then get t3. Again, this seems like it'd be hard to mod in, but i think it'd be cool

@HashimAl-Atassi2013 5 ай бұрын

i think that would just be making the ascended upgrade new upgrade paths? which kinda defeats the purpose

@xBrokenMirror2010x 5 ай бұрын

Here's a list of things I'd like to see superbuffed: 1. What does a Support TSG do with its buff at stupid stacks, does it work on the discount? Can you get 99% Discounts on Ascended Upgrades for insane effectiveness. 2. Can you buff a discount village aura for ultimate discount greed. 3. How much cash can you get out of a maxed monkeyopolis, I imagine it's absolutely nonsensical. 4. Beast Handler might be neat to super-buff Here is a list of towers range upgrades might be useful on: TSG, Village, Super Brittle, BEZ, and Perma-Brew EDIT: I'm also sure you saw it from other comments, but the reason the Jungle Drums wasn't working is because it was being overwritten by your other Village's Jungle Drums because it applied first, and only 1 of each kind of buff can be applied at a time. This is fundamentally the same issue that BTD6 has with Call to Arms overwriting Homeland.

@viktorholm3386 5 ай бұрын

I would love to see if an Energyzer would be able to cover the whole map with its Aura and how much dmg it can do since it would be able to increase the pierce of it and all the other stats same with Middlepath Druid, its always interesting to see how a Tower that doesn't perform that good compared to like a MAD or Ray of Doom suddenly be able to solo up to round 100 or more also does this work with Paragons?

@Qwert-Canoe 5 ай бұрын

That og skull map omg the nostalgia it was my favourite

@justenoughrandomness8989 5 ай бұрын

5:37 it does not drop very much if at all cause every ascended strength adds 10% to speed's effect and speed adds 10% to strength's effect the price also goes up by 10%

@justntmtz 5 ай бұрын

Merry christmas to me. Certified ISAB classic.

@creeperking3472 5 ай бұрын

Fun fact the upgrade scale is the same as decibels that every time it goes up by 10 the volume doubles

@Barely_Edited 5 ай бұрын

Decibels are base 10 logarithmic, an increase of 10 decibels is 10 times the volume, 20 is 100, etc Doubling is roughly every 3 decibels

@star14604 5 ай бұрын

You should see how far you can get by only ascending abilities that increase speed and power of other towers. Like what you did with engineer at the end of the video

@lizard2361 5 ай бұрын

Accended upgrades is now much better man W vid

@stolekey6952 5 ай бұрын

the middle path farm sounds very efficient because of the percentage based interest

@You_are_genocides 5 ай бұрын

Thank you isab for ascending inside all of us

@frujey 3 ай бұрын

I think the primary mentoring jugle druns overrid the homeland jungle drums.

@sleepl0l 5 ай бұрын

Thank you isab for popping the bloons

@spongebabe27 5 ай бұрын

Multiplicative would be more fun imo, so it scales exponentially like freeplay rounds

@goobienub 5 ай бұрын

Thanks Isab for pumping and dumping content into us😫

@BananaWizard2 5 ай бұрын

You can beat round 100 with only 0-0-0 towers dealing damage and ascended ultraboost making them op

@lool8421 5 ай бұрын

with farming, it still has potential to reach infinite rounds since the costs go up linearly when the power goes up quadratically

@badateverything2931 5 ай бұрын

summatically, not linerarly, sums actually equal out to ^2 in the long run, but at the start quadratic increases faster

@Krullenbol010 5 ай бұрын

Just when I wanted to sleep ISAB uploaded 😂

@Skipster991 5 ай бұрын

Thank you isab for ascending the banana farm while talking about pumping and dumping sauda

@kanapka1512 5 ай бұрын

Maybe try a 5xx village, since it has should benefit greatly from pierce and speed upgrades (and damage too, I guess)

@USG_Gaming 5 ай бұрын

10:19 Geez that Alc shoots fast when buffed by village

@HK_BLAU 5 ай бұрын

i think everyone would like to see a super cheap tower try to make it as far as possible. i think it's more doable now since buffs and farms get buffed as well

@kyarumomochi5146 5 ай бұрын

Thank you isab for upgrading us infinitely

@austinbear 2 ай бұрын

6:05 HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THISSSSSSSSS

@tadpole9264 5 ай бұрын

from prior knowledge we can know that the most efficient farm is, if we ignore the every 2nd speed upgrade possibly not doing anything, a farm in which the speed and amount upgrades are bought in equal amounts. the amount earned per round by such a far is (cash per round) = (cash per round normally) * (1+ n/10)^2 while the cost of this farm is cost = (cost of bcentral) + 1000 * ( 9n + [sum of integers from 1 to n] ) efficiency is measured in cash per round over cost which suffice to say at high degrees the cash per round increases proportional to n^2/100 while the bottom increases at a rate of about 9n + n (idk how to deal with derivatives of sums). as we can see at high numbers however the rate at which the top increases is proportional to n/50 while the. ok no Im too tired for this, the top is a square function while the bottom is like some power less than 2 so the top increases at a faster rate than the bottom and thus the farm only get more efficient just plug x^2/sum to x of n into desmos and see it only goes up

@flerpaderp4397 5 ай бұрын

nerd

@tadpole9264 5 ай бұрын

hold on it just occured to me that at high numbers the summation could be thought of as having a derivative of n which would make it behave similar to 1/2 n^2 so it would actually have a theoretical limit on efficiency and I would need the actual numbers for that. what Im thinking now is its proportional to [(cash per round normally)/100]/500 or cash per round normally /50000 which like if you were working with an ultraboosted farm would be around 0.5 which is more than I think bcentrals normal like 0.25 but idk if it goes above 0.5 and then goes back down or if it just endlessly tends upwards.

@dashingclasher 5 ай бұрын

6:04 the acceptance phase

@plasmaflippy9376 5 ай бұрын

Thank you ISAB for ascending our pleasure

@EverRusting 5 ай бұрын

Avatar of Wrath could benefit a ton from range and pierce also

@catface_q2123 5 ай бұрын

Supermines (with ascended buffs) and the heroes

@dogedog2447 5 ай бұрын

THANKS FOR LISTING THE MOD 👌👌🔥🔥🔥

@bdlc9952 5 ай бұрын

if i made the mod i would add an option for OP multiplicative or less op additive

@kyleastra5207 5 ай бұрын

Imagine if ascended upgrades gave buffs to damage over time effects.

@greenmarble638 5 ай бұрын

By splitting your money into the farm and the damage tower you could possibly outlast the scaling forever

@KyouheiKaizo 5 ай бұрын

Thank you ISAB for playing btd6. Also bring back the multiplicative upgrades or at least put it as an alternative option!!!!!

@weirdooftheyear 5 ай бұрын

Well done on being one of the few "Thank you ISAB" commenters who are _not_ 12 and think sex is peak comedy.

@KyouheiKaizo 5 ай бұрын

@@weirdooftheyear Bring back the multiplicative upgrades as an alternative option!

@leotrollstoy2351 5 ай бұрын

God if the money generation stuff was exponential you’d find out what the number cap is real fast

@legendaryumbreon740 5 ай бұрын

11:36 you need smart spikes for that

@Markm8 5 ай бұрын

Dude range and perce went so hard on the ray of doom Lol

@bounce1082 5 ай бұрын

Thank you isab for isabing the you thank

@seanweb9051 5 ай бұрын

Thank you isab for improving the monkey gene pool

@user-fo2yx7bb2o 5 ай бұрын

I think that The cost should be like maybe 30% the T5 cost. That would allow Towers like VTSG not being absolutely OP

@youtubeSuckssNow 5 ай бұрын

You should be able to do some fun boss 1 shots with this eh?

@monkey6114 3 ай бұрын

Sorry for being late but in medium digiculty a 36 upgrade for strength and speed would be slightly less effiecient than thhe og

@franciscolaramunoz2849 5 ай бұрын

Try for how long can last the towers that gives you money (like Sniper and so on)

@ParagonQuille Ай бұрын

"pumping and dumping is not something I do unless its a certain type of hero" "ah okay that makes sense." "...." "....." "HEY WAIT A MINUTE-"

@meta4240 5 ай бұрын

Maybe try combining this with ultimate crosspathing?

@NEVERBACKDOWN422 5 ай бұрын

I’d like to see Druid of the jungle for sure

@sneezywheezyboy1652 5 ай бұрын

6:03 this one was crazy

@CielMC 5 ай бұрын

Thank you ISAB for pumping and dumping Sauda

@destroyer7687 5 ай бұрын

Imagine this mod with the ultimate cross path mod

@sfdfegsgshajrveaahhwqgshdj1174 5 ай бұрын

Speed should decrease ability cooldown

@davidpavel5017 5 ай бұрын

Massive update standing for it works with one more tower kay

@evanpeth1031 5 ай бұрын

The ABSOLUTE coolest brotherman

@jonweidner1251 5 ай бұрын

Would the range from the mod increase the range of a 050 druids higher damage spikes on the map?

@ArchiHaze 5 ай бұрын

You know we need to see how Super Mines performs. It's hella expensive and has a noticeably slow attack speed. I assume a 100x | 100x | 100x ascension makes it on par with a 5-5-5 Super Mines using Spike Storm. But, just like with Santa Clause, we need to see it to believe it.

@HashimAl-Atassi2013 5 ай бұрын

100x100x100 would be way better than 5-5-5. that is 1331x the dps of a regular 5-2-0, which is a lot more than a 5-5-5

@ArchiHaze 5 ай бұрын

@@HashimAl-Atassi2013 I wonder if we can get a field test for comparison? 🤔

@aspect6760 5 ай бұрын

Thank you, ISAB, for infinitely upgrading to end my infinite edging streak

@AnyRadiance 5 ай бұрын

????

@betosauriuzgg2795 4 ай бұрын

Should be interesting to see 100x100x100 paragon tower

@ataready8810 5 ай бұрын

do ascended upgrades single tower challenge with a tower with a moneymaking crosspath - the cash increase could be huge, some towers might go infinite now

@bigmiles 5 ай бұрын

You should upgrade the bloon master alchemist so much that it can pop a bad with its base potion.

@PineappleForScale 5 ай бұрын

Max buff permaspike's pierce so hard that a single spike can solo all 300 rounds.

@badateverything2931 5 ай бұрын

i love this idea, except for the fact its additive so even tho possible hed have to click that shit so many times

@AEtherPi 5 ай бұрын

Primary Expertise! Balista go brrrrr please

@levithompson3573 5 ай бұрын

A perma spike with a bunch of pierce to just make a permanent death wall

@strealxer2314 5 ай бұрын

can you try the avatar of wrath next?

@Skyrimmaster586 5 ай бұрын

7:53 ISAB said "O-pee-niss"

@reincarnation-kc3qs 5 ай бұрын

imagine ultimate crosspathing 5-5-5 and ascended upgrades combined

@juliangta1154 5 ай бұрын

breaking the 64 bit money integer not the display 32 bit thats easy did it in about an hour but the 64 bit actual money(idk if its actually 64 bit i hope it is)

@RealityMasterRogue 5 ай бұрын

i would like to see ninja, druid, and ace with this mod

@jeromepoe946 5 ай бұрын

Curious about commanche commander… does the little heli’s get buffed or just the normal commander 🤔 Edit- another thought how far can a vengeful temple solo with this? What’s the limit with that. Not just a normal vengeful temple either a maxed out vengeful temple minus buffs just using sacrifices and infinite upgrades.