Influencers Say the Springfield Echelon is Good

Influencers Say the Springfield Echelon is Good - Is it?

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The Springfield Echelon was all the rage when it came out a few months ago. We've all been littered with videos of popular people telling us it's great. Which, of course, can lead to a healthy skepticism. With that said, we bought this Springfield Echelon and will say whatever we want about it. Enjoy.
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@raclark52 4 ай бұрын

Bought mine about three months ago. Added a Holosun 407 when I did. Added a Talon Grip and bought two more mags. I now have about 100o through it. Zero issues. Great gun and glad I purchased it. Love the channel and the way you present your videos.

@Chris09978 5 ай бұрын

One thing to note guys, this pistol is not from springfield they did not make this they just imported this, and the manufacutre that made this pistol is HS produckt they are a military and LEO firearms manufacutre and have been supplying firearms for decades all over the world they are based and all of thier products are made in Croatia. The Croatian military uses a bullpub rifle known as the the VHS 2 and the VHS-D2

@cliffordbosworth5378 5 ай бұрын

This is a good point and 100% true! But, and I'm not hating at all, but what does it matter? The gun wouldn't be on the market for the price if they didn't import it... it doesn't hurt the function or reliability of the gun 😂

@driftitlikeyouownit 5 ай бұрын

The second thing to note is that dosen't matter as we have people buying cheap turkey pistols and they function fine. Springfield is doing great standing by thier products especially the prodigy and echelon. They will grow and the echelon works amazing for what it is.

@Chris09978 5 ай бұрын

@@cliffordbosworth5378 springfield is known for making 1911s and ars especially the M1A. However when it came to polymer pistols many people thought that it was unreliable or a piece of shit cause it was out of springfields territory in that sense. HS produckt was the one who made the polymer pistols and including the XDM and the hellcat

@danw1089 5 ай бұрын

My only problem is the current iteration of Springfield markets under the guise of being the same legendary company that won wars . It’s deceptive, that being said I own a hellcat pro and it’s a great firearm . In my opinion Springfield should be more transparent on what they are

@doctorgears9358 5 ай бұрын

iirc HS Produkt also makes everything for their guns in house. They don't import a part from a different country or anything like that. It lets them iterate very quickly on their designs and not be beholden to someone else.

@the1911FrenchAddict 5 ай бұрын

Omg, the transition with the belt was just amazing 😂. Nice review as always. Congratulations to the cameraman, it s just high end qualities videos. À lot of work for him to edit such videos. Good job

@mandragoraes3947 5 ай бұрын

Since you guys did a pdp video I really expected this one to come out too and I'm very surprised you guys like it this much and were this positive. Thank you guys for being honest.

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for reaching for so long and for the kind words. Jake and I will always do our best to be 100% honest and truthful

@DavidKiwacka 5 ай бұрын

The Echelon is a great pistol. Borrowed one from TGC and put around 1500 rounds thru it with zero issues. After sending it back ( I begged Jon to let me keep it) I had to buy one. At this point is really is my favorite striker fired pistol. Dare I say it, I like it more than my H&K VP9. Anyone that "needs" a striker fired pistol should take a look and consider it. You can't find a more feature loaded "service" pistol on the market that really requires no modding. Also I didn't really expect to like it, let alone fall in love with it.

@truesf345 4 ай бұрын

Just finally came across one , couldn’t not buy it after holding it , I pleasantly surprised how much I really like it .

@easbreid9879 4 ай бұрын

The PDP is a contender w this, you can get a PDP pro with all the bells and whistles for $799 all day. Personally i want both. Ive always been a fan of Glocks and the M&P 2.0

@BishopBlast 5 ай бұрын

great content. always like straight and good info. thank you

@WilderFPV 5 ай бұрын

I've got an Echelon. Probably only around 1000 rounds through it, but I absolutely love it. I had it ported and it shoots even better. Not a single malfunction so far.

@jjacks8203 5 ай бұрын

Who ported? Looking to do mine.

@lucasschmitz4588 21 күн бұрын

@@jjacks8203my only question is why port it over getting the threaded barrel and adding a comp, porting reduces performance the threaded barrel is 5.28in so 3/4 of a inch longer then the factory barrel so increased performance then add the comp and recoil still gets reduced I mean I get length but it's a duty gun nothing about it is small

@TheAmerican1963 5 ай бұрын

My Echelon 1500+ rounds. All ammo types. Zero malfunctions ..... In fact, my Prodigy 4.25, bought last December has 1000+ rounds. Zero malfunctions ....... I daily carry the Echelon with little if any trouble. Mounted 508T and an Olight Baldr Pro R with Black Rhino Concealment Tac holster. I ditched my Hellcat RDP as it is like shooting a ball of barbed wire. Nice idea, but.... no. Full frame for me. And remember, guys. If someone doesn't like 1911's, we can not be friends. 🙂

@yohanwolfhause8268 5 ай бұрын

Been eyeballing the Prodigy....

@EngineMedic7 5 ай бұрын

@yohanwolfhause8268 im ordering one soon too (prodigy) just debating with or with dragonfly

@TheAmerican1963 5 ай бұрын

@@EngineMedic7 The optic SA offers is not very good. Buy an optics plate and try the Cyelee Wolf X Pro ....... that optic, so far, is pretty darn good !!!! 👍👍👍

@EngineMedic7 5 ай бұрын

@TheAmerican1963 ive never run an optic so on a handgun is zero. ive run a red dot on my AR but that's a different animal. So was trying to see if i should save a couple hundred off the start

@TheAmerican1963 5 ай бұрын

@@EngineMedic7 I understand. No optic is cheaper. around $1240.00 .... you will really enjoy the pistol, optic or not. Good luck amigo !!!!! 🙂

@HarryWorthan 5 ай бұрын

Good review, I absolutely love my Echelon. I was kinda "meh" when I first handled the gun at the lgs, but decided to pick one up and see for myself. Now, I've owned many, many handguns over the years and I can honestly say that the Echelon is one of, if not the best polymer, striker fired pistols I've owned. I have a few thousand rounds thru mine and it has not disappointed me yet. As a matter of fact, I liked it so much, I bought another one for my nightstand gun! I would highly recommend trying one out.

@coconutkiller9632 5 ай бұрын

1000 ish 0 malfunctions. Drives nails reliably. Love mine so far.

@emadreviews 3 ай бұрын

Anything is a Glock killer if you don’t like Glocks

@briancooke5532 2 ай бұрын

I'm not a Glock fanboy, but it is stupid when people say Glock killer. Glocks still have their place in this market and they are still fantastic pistols that are accurate and extremely reliable. Just get both, that is my opinion!

@rangerjay7971 Ай бұрын

Not a glock fanboy, as for a "glock killer" still don't care

@dmhnc07 Ай бұрын

@@briancooke5532 it's just to get clicks dude. It got yours..and mine, lol

@lucasschmitz4588 21 күн бұрын

@briancooke5532 as someone with both a echelon and glock 17 while the echelon may be overall more setup or ready to be setup than my glock at the end of the day if shit hits the fan I'm grabbing the glock why cause replacement parts and mags are Hella abundant

@MystisNykoto 5 ай бұрын

I got the Echelon the week that it dropped, I've put over 3000 rounds through it, and it is 100% worth the price I paid for it, definitely a grab and go "Oh shit" gun

@Joncenalol235 5 ай бұрын

That's a real review! Thanks.

@candidob8683 4 ай бұрын

Is the grip angle like a 1911 or more like a glock?

@briancooke5532 Ай бұрын

@@candidob8683 More like a 1911 and you can clearly see from this video it is nothing like a Glock or if you go to their website. Glock is the only manufacturer that has the extreme angled grip.

@user-iy3fh3ql1c 6 күн бұрын

Glock@@candidob8683

@quayshawndameron1349 5 ай бұрын

Man i have 6 of yall videos to catch up on todays a good day. But also sad because i have the bell notification on and havent received not one dang notification. The havent even had you guys on my feed.

@MrSwitch1934 5 ай бұрын

Once again gents, great review. The birthday bump that you refer to is a feature that was built into the Pro Series CORE (Combat Optics Ready Equipment) pistols from Smith & Wesson. This was when the red dot on pistol craze was just taking off. I like it because it takes one movement out of the battery of arms and reloads are fast af. S&W removed that feature in the proceeding models and I haven’t seen it in any other until the Echelon.

@brothertank9556 5 ай бұрын

Really enjoying your videos. I was really hoping not too. But yall entertain everytime,dang yAll I'm trying to sleep.

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

Thanks. I think?

@1911syndicate 5 ай бұрын

Hahaha

@darkdre7 4 ай бұрын

Great review can’t wait to see yall review on the Walther PDP Steel frame 4.5 inch

@juliobenoit8591 5 ай бұрын

My echelon has been solid, no malfunctions yet and over 1k rounds. Definitely prefer it to my stock Glock and even stock M&P.

@TheGunfighter45acp 5 ай бұрын

Nice review! I rented one shortly after they hit the shelves & put 100rds through it. I'm not a fan of polymer, but I preferred it over just about everything else duty sized & polymer, except HK. We've come along way in this category, though, and that is certainly a good thing. 👍👍

@manrex5238 5 ай бұрын

One of the best gun reviews channels I’ve came across

@artiefedrich5643 3 ай бұрын

I just happened upon your video. I am interested in the Echelon. 1. I love your style and honesty of your video. I signed up. 2. After watching your video, I have decided to purchase one. Thanks! I’ll be looking forward to other videos.

@Chrisblau 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the sub and thank you for trusting us with your dollar. I still stand by this gun and have been very happy with how it has performed

@joseanderson4012 5 ай бұрын

I bought mine several months ago…approximately 300 rounds and no malfunctions…I have medium to large hands…feels great/shoots great…I put a Holosun 507C on it/love the VIS…the gun has lived up to the hype.

@nfareview 2 ай бұрын

They sent me one in the first wave for reviews. Deep down I didn't like it at first and thought the slide was "over done". That was the out-of-the-box first feelings when I received it weeks before the public saw it. Then I shot it, then I really started to understand it. The more I shot it and longer I looked at it, the more I understood it and really came to appreciate it. It runs and sounds great suppressed too. I now have my own FFL/SOT and recommend it all the time to my customers. For the money it's a damn good gun. I threw the small frame housing on it and got even better control and grip purchase. Just an all around great gun!

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

Very cool. It’s def a lot of value for the money in my eyes

@ryotatakuma6117 5 ай бұрын

I emailed Flux Defense, they said they are interested in making one for the Echelon, however they need to wait until theres a lot more Echelons in the wild/longer length of time since it got released.

@fattigla 5 ай бұрын

Great video guys, I'm not big on full time ambi mag releases becase my grip impedes the button, but it seems like an ok option. I wouldn't sell a pistol to buy it, but may be a good first time buyer option.

@davidgaines8607 5 ай бұрын

Probably a great option for someone who's looking to buy something and be done. I have been in both camps. Sometimes i want to build and tinker , piece together what i want , and that end product will be better for me than even these newer guns that are getting better out of the box.

@JorgeMartinez-iq2tc 5 күн бұрын

The video editor needs a raise. This videos are awesome.

@martinsimandl2814 5 ай бұрын

I went with the Echelon over the PDP and this pistol is top notch. Super happy with it, shoots great and no malfunctions. Great video

@warrenroberts1912 5 ай бұрын

why did you choose this over the pdp

@martinsimandl2814 5 ай бұрын

@@warrenroberts1912 Ergos and I it shot more natural for me, plus everything it comes out of the box.

@chriswilson1968 5 ай бұрын

Should have just got a CZ P-10c. Cheaper and amazing out the box.

@2aOutlaw 5 ай бұрын

Same! Picked the echelon over the pdp and a cz p10c and have ZERO regrets lol

@-RONNIE 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video guys

@Tommyramma 5 ай бұрын

Great video as always! I rented the echelon and was surprisingly happy with it. Also you are in trouble, Tisas just came out with a 2011 🤣

@Chief-XJ 3 ай бұрын

- Cost of a Glock 17: depends on whether or not you get Blue Label or not (a non- LE/ Military etc. person can get Blue Label pricing also btw) Blue Label: $390's-$400 Non Blue Label: $600'ish - Talon tape: $19-$25 or... - Roll of hockey tape: $10 - Undercut: your dremel and about 30 minutes time - Slide cut for RMR footprint: $120-$145 (Wager Machine Works) - Sight swap, depending on which you want: $65 for Dawsons (both front and rear) - Extended Glock slide stop: $20 tax & shipping included - If you want a magwell: $65-$100 depending on which one - +2 mag extensions: $13 each Total: $950.50 (at highest cost points, with improved features) $1,520.50 (w/ X300 & 407C) Total: $698.00 (at lowest cost points, with improved features) - Total: $613.00 (setup equivalent to Echelon, w/out improved features) $1,183.00 (w/ X300 & 407C) ===================== SA echelon: $510 Holosun 407C: $250 Surefire X300U-A: $320 X300U-B: $260 Total: $1080 So reality is... the cost to get a Glock "up to an Echelon's level"... is really not enough of a difference to make a difference, ($100). Just thought about throwing that out there as well for anyone to know.

@RayJ4Liberty76 4 ай бұрын

I bought mine a month after it came out. I shot over 2000 rounds through it. It has a Holosun 508t, streamlight TLR-1 and have had zero malfunctions, no stove pipes, no failure to feed, nothing. It has been my EDC. I plan to get a threaded barrel for it, magwell and some tartan-tactical base plates or Springer Precision magwell and base plates. Maybe a new trigger but so far this trigger has only gotten better. I’ve owned a lot of Glocks and this one is trully a Glock killer. Thanks for the video guys!

@82lowe36id 5 ай бұрын

Poly striker guns just don't get me excited anymore these days. I saw this drop and thought wow, how original. After seeing reviews on exactly what this pistol has out of the box, it would sit very high on my list if I was in the market. great review guys.

@BILLYRENK 2 ай бұрын

love your channel!

@toddback 2 ай бұрын

I love my 45's but I just bought the Echelon & shot it yesterday & man I love this pistol! Smooth action, nice trigger & the VIS optics system is a game changer. I bought a Holosun 507 & dropped right on no problem and with the sight sitting lower ( not on a plate ), it co-witnesses with the iron sights. I lined up the dot with the irons & was hitting my target with the 1st rounds fired. The Echelon may be replacing my XDm 45 as my EDC!

@bdkbdk8005 3 ай бұрын

Birthday bump,, my HK VP9 does the same thing when you insert a new mag. I actually prefer it and VP9 would be my favorite gun if I didn't ride the slide release every time I shoot it. Just picked up the Echelon but haven't been able to shoot it yet. Great content as always with you guys!

@harryksmith7463 19 күн бұрын

Thanks for posting, i have subscribed to your channel twice, and it's very weird that Im not unsubscribing

@1911syndicate 19 күн бұрын

Hmmmm bizarre

@HB-kp6rl 5 ай бұрын

It looks good and about time they brought it something good. Looks like that malfunction was from the slide closing before the mag was seated all the way. Kinda like how the slide was going home while jake was reloading

@same.0g760 5 ай бұрын

Bought it first day haven’t put it down yet. Minimal felt recoil for a polymer pistol out the box imo. Literally made this my side arm for training days. Round count…uhhh I lost count 😂 good video guys!

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

Hey that’s awesome man glad you’re enjoying it

@same.0g760 5 ай бұрын

@@Chrisblau Thank brother! Happy Tuesday and much blessings to you.

@BehindTheGoldenCurtain 5 ай бұрын

Springfield takes a lot of shit from the gun community, but you can't deny that they have brought some really good guns to the market in the last few years.

@randylahey2242 5 ай бұрын

you mean imported guns from former commie bloc countries?

@griftinggamer 5 ай бұрын

Their imbel Brazil "us made" (assembled) 1911s have always been okay, but I just can't support the fraud

@griftinggamer 5 ай бұрын

They deserve every criticism and then some.

@BehindTheGoldenCurtain 4 ай бұрын

@@griftinggamer I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying that they have put out some quality firearms in recent years.

@griftinggamer 4 ай бұрын

@BehindTheGoldenCurtain Still waiting on the prodigy to actually work.

@MoistSmok 5 ай бұрын

From an edc echelon carrier the textures isn’t to aggressive at all still great shooter too I love it honestly it’s my favorite I own so far

@MoistSmok 5 ай бұрын

I’m looking forward to an Fde version but worse case there’s rattle cans for the frame haha

@Clark_R 5 ай бұрын

I'm a new pistol owner, and I bought this and their Emissary (which would be cool for you guys too review) and while I'm not a frequent range guy, between myself and 2 others, its had around only 3-400 rounds including hand loaded stuff, with zero malfunctions.

@1911syndicate 5 ай бұрын

Excellent man!

@jashwanholmes5355 5 ай бұрын

I know its a been a year but i think "out of the box" you should compare the Echelon with the m&p 2.0 with their new trigger because these things being priced ~equally with grip texture, optic cuts, triggers, and sight options and ambi controls they are both best bang for you buck.

@randyreviewsit 5 ай бұрын

Nah you can get a vp9 for 499 now, or a shadow systems foundation

@TheRancor53 5 ай бұрын

@@randyreviewsitShadow systems has a mixed record, and the VP9 optics ready is usually closer to 700-750 on the low end

@randyreviewsit 5 ай бұрын

@@TheRancor53 I have approaching 10k rounds through my shadows with no issues, I have gotten most of my elites for under 700 and the foundation series can be had for less.

@TheRancor53 5 ай бұрын

@@randyreviewsityou’re one of the few I know, malfunctioning cr920 was horrible and pattern of unreliability just search for vids. VP9 is solid but again, all in an M&P tacpac deal is 500 and the new trigger is fine. 650 max with an Apex.

@randyreviewsit 5 ай бұрын

@@TheRancor53I got two tac pacs in right now I am testing the m&p 2.0 compact and the shield plus. The m&p is way too aggressive to carry against your skin. The shield plus actually feels alright. Still have to see how it shoots though.

@Jjb130-gi5bw 5 ай бұрын

Over 3000 rounds through mine zero malfunctions. Primarily blazer brass, used 125 and 115 gr. Some PMC also. i’d say about 90% of time I also get birthday bump.

@Atomic_Gorilla84 5 ай бұрын

Been great!… ate up everything I’ve thrown at it ….. solid 💯

@GabylannPR 5 ай бұрын

Echelon became the best 9mm out of the box hands down! Great job springfield 💯 Cool video great editing 👌😎

@1911syndicate 5 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

@qwertyuiq228 3 ай бұрын

I don't usually interested in full size pistol but I would consider Echelon when it release in CA soon. Great reviews

@PapaGanoush07 5 ай бұрын

I picked one up and like it. But because I'm used to the P320 and PDP grip angles, I can't acclimate easily to the nose-up presentation. Also an EPS optic with a CHPWS plate (fills the front and rear gaps) puts the dot a little closer to the front sight post than I would prefer. Looking forward to training with it more though!

@easbreid9879 4 ай бұрын

I will eventually pick one of these up, ive handled one and dry fired it at my local gun shop. I was not impressed w the trigger, hopefully it gets better once broken in.

@_ChrisTodd_ 5 ай бұрын

Love mine so far I probably have about 500- 600 ish rounds through it. Only had an issue with a mag extension because I put the metal plate on incorrectly so my rounds fell out. Obviously a simple fix.

@2amichaelj 5 ай бұрын

Springfield Armory motto: "Why make your firearms when you can just import them?"

@ThePoorBoy 5 ай бұрын

Right... and Rob Leatham and the American SA team had nothing to do with the design. 🙄

@raylandraybels9462 5 ай бұрын

Who cares? The hs2000 was dead until sa picked them up and it led us to the echelon.

@hks956 5 ай бұрын

Springfield Armory the FIRST name in American Firearms.... made in Croatia. I wish HS Produkt could get away from the tacky SA and just distribute their stuff on their own.

@ThePoorBoy 5 ай бұрын

@@hks956 I'm not sure you understand how distribution works, and that America is a country largely built on international trade. Next time you look at your Glock, you'll notice that the frame says "Made in Austria," and then underneath it "Glock USA, Smyrna, GA." HS could go to the trouble of setting up "HS USA," but SA stepped up and made it happen for US distribution. But the SA team also had a hand in the DESIGN of the Echelon, so ... 🤷

@user-xj3ve7wt8k 5 ай бұрын

lol :D

@KENAHIGHLANDER 2 ай бұрын

I bought the Echelon just to try it out. Got a great deal on a case of ammo from Bud’s Gun Shop and had no failures. I was so impressed with the pistol I sold my Glock 17 and purchased a second Echelon as a backup.

@Solidcore87 5 ай бұрын

@12:25 how do you get that camera effect when you shoot??

@ModernCobra 5 ай бұрын

Great vid. Just one thing you left off in your Glock upgrades would be to get a way better trigger (+140) which more than doubles the total value in the Eschelon. ;-)

@jammerlr7780 5 ай бұрын

Took the Echelon plunge myself and couldn’t be happier. Currently have a bit over 700 rounds in mine. No problems of any kind. Absolutely fantastic peice.

@jonathanregan4344 4 ай бұрын

I’m planning on buying my first gun tomorrow or at least here very soon. And I’m leaning toward getting this, looks like a good solid, reliable hand gun and good first gun that I don’t have spend a bunch money on.

@wisco_guy 5 ай бұрын

Seems like a nice pistol and perhaps it’s modularity is it’s main selling point, similar to the P320, but better.

@AnnoyoTribe 24 күн бұрын

Well, I'm officially considering it since it's now in OD Green. My question is, is there a good selection of holsters available?

@GrumpMaster 5 ай бұрын

FLUX DEFENSE - If you see this, please make a Raider for this. Seriously, I’ll buy 2 of them yesterday. As far as the Echelon on its own, I got one a bit after its release and I would do it again. I have 1200rds through it with zero issues. No regrets. If you’re someone on the fence, at it’s price, it’s a solid polymer handgun.

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

Agreed on both comments dude glad you’ve enjoyed yours and if flux makes one whhhhew that would be dope

@hgkar 5 ай бұрын

Amen. I second that on both comments. I have the P320 flux but would ditch it for an Echelon flux (plus buy two more echelons - 1 with the threaded barrel). It is an awesome gun.

@lawabidingsavage 5 ай бұрын

I’ve put exactly 400 rounds through mine (all white box Winchester) and have had zero malfunctions. I really like this firearm. It feels like a custom Glock 17…but better. I have a TLR-1 HL and a Holosun 407C and am really considering making it my nightstand gun over my G19 MOS with the same outfit.

@TacticalConsiderations 5 ай бұрын

Solid video guys.

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

Thanks brother. Need to get together here in the QC

@Chonkasaurus 5 ай бұрын

That answer to running a polymer pistol hits close to home😅 "Bankruptcy and I have no choice!"

@jamesfischer4813 5 ай бұрын

Lol. I am a 1911 guy. I bought the Echelon before it was the cool gun to own. I usually sell plastic guns within a few months. I can't seam to want to let this one go. It has everything needed without the bullshit.

@thatjackal74 5 ай бұрын

I sold mine not because it was bad on the contrary it was amazing I just wanted a staccato and didn’t feel like being as patient

@d.mat.zero6525 5 ай бұрын

i got the Echelon, but i got it mid Dec. n it was sold out everywhere near me so i had to order it online, so in my state there are extra fees for EVERYTHING. so it ended up being like 700 bc i had taxes, shipping, paperwork fee (to process), fee for the papers (for the actual papers), the receiving fee, n a fee for using my check card... i just moved here so i didnt know they did all that but i got it super quick, it came in the next day. anyway i have put 750 rounds of monarch 115 grain fmj (the Academy special lol) n about 300 rounds of various defensive rounds, n i has run smooth. other ppl have fired it at the range they liked it. it's a firearm made to be easy to use. it's good beginners n for ppl who are not ready to dump 2500+ on a 2011... YET

@rlm2010az 4 ай бұрын

Great video

@calumridenour4947 5 ай бұрын

CZp10c is like 375-450. So enough left over for optic work if needed and potentially enough for a holster or magazine. Just an option for those looking! Admittedly though really like the echelon especially the slide cuts and everything ready out of the box.

@awokeone7997 5 ай бұрын

Do you own a P10c/f or have you shot one, if so, how does it compare to the Echelon?

@jamr3116 5 ай бұрын

I own both. Got my P10C Optics ready for $360. It's a beast of a gun. I feel my Echelon is slightly better and probably my favorite polymer gun currently. But if I just had a P10C I'd definitely still be a happy man.

@awokeone7997 5 ай бұрын

@jamr3116 what makes the Echelon better for you? I run the P10SC which is the P10F slide on the P10C frame and that is by far my favorite striker fire.

@randyreviewsit 5 ай бұрын

I bought an echelon for testing and did a review on it, while I think it’s a decent gun. My shadow systems, hk’s, and my px4’s are all better. One of the reasons I started watching your channel way back in the day, is I think you guys do a fair assessment of things. You guys did a solid review in this video.

@3.eyes.open. 5 ай бұрын

I disagree and I think the echelon is a better gun

@stemb0362 5 ай бұрын

How would you compare this to the PDP which I love

@pcb8639 5 ай бұрын

I only looked at one. I thought is was big for a carry pistol, more of a duty pistol, and that was with the stock grip and I have big hands. I guess I'll have to take another look. Good review.

@user-qo3kq6mn7v 5 ай бұрын

Jake, what blade were you sporting during the g string scene?

@1911syndicate 5 ай бұрын

Man I can’t even remember the maker. It was a gift and I always forget the maker

@NopeAsaurusRex 5 ай бұрын

My first time watching this channel. I don't like people usually. For some reason, I liked these dudes. Subscribed.

@1911syndicate 5 ай бұрын

lol thank you. Only our parents like us. And even then, only sometimes

@NopeAsaurusRex 5 ай бұрын

Well, sounds like I'd probably like your parents, but only sometimes.

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

Haha dude that’s the nicest thing anyone has ever said to Jake and I. Thank you for the Sub brother 👊🏼👊🏼

@christiandulaney1638 5 ай бұрын

Its all good Matt, Jake and Chris dont typically like people either. Youre in good company

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

@@christiandulaney1638 correction JAKE doesn’t like people. I get along with like 99.999999% of people I meet

@Ryan-es9xg 5 ай бұрын

Just a note, I have a CZ P10F that does the “birthday bump” as you call it. It also FTFs on flat nose rounds, often enough I’ve stopped carrying it.

@paulhowe5602 2 ай бұрын

I love mine, I stopped counting at 1000 rounds (zero malfunctions). I am curious what the Icarus grips are going to look like. I am looking forward to other grip modules and slides being made available.

@monocogenit1 4 ай бұрын

I like mine. so far so good. Will be cool to see alloy frames made for these.

@OhioGentlemenArms 5 ай бұрын

I’ve got about 100 rounds ran through mine. The slide release is very tight. Other than that I really like it. Hoping it holds up as well as the Hellcat.

@teewhy2602 5 ай бұрын

With Glock's lack of innovation, it doesn't take much to dethrone a Glock.

@MikeRehfuss 5 ай бұрын

That joke has been making the rounds for years, but Glock has yet to be dethroned.

@WyattDerpTheNotSoEarp 5 ай бұрын

Who dethroned Glock? It definitely isn't the Echelon. There's plenty of polymer striker fired guns that are nicer than Glock but they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 5 ай бұрын

Glock innovates a lot! They took a 17 and shortened the slide and dust cover! Then they took the 45 and lengthed the slide to match the 17 again! Look, so much innovation!😂

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 5 ай бұрын

@Kosem72 "no need to innovate" isnt even a defence, its just a false statement. Firearms didn't peak in the 1910s, they didn't peak in the 1930s, and they didnt peak in the 1980s either. _But more importantly than that_ we aren't MARSOC. Its not viable for a civilian to carry an M4 with them everywhere, so the handgun is almost always _OUR_ primary weapon. You might be able to carry a rifle in your truck or car, but carrying one into Wal-Mart costs you a lot of time and possibly getting shot by some of your county's "finest".

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 5 ай бұрын

@Kosem72 modular chassis, suppressor ready models, a proper magazine. These are all things glock could do but they don't. They retexture the same gun and change the length. Back when glock was the only game in town that was fine, but they're not, and I should have to spend hundreds of dollars making my overpriced pistol competitive with other offerings.

@gotf4rtz 5 ай бұрын

5000 rounds through my Echelon with a 509T optic and a modlite for the flashlight. Replaced the 17 round base with a +3 from Taran Tactical. ZERO MALFUNCTIONS. This gun is my go to and I would recommend it to anyone that wants something in the polymer/striker fired realm.

@texasranger24 Ай бұрын

An Echelon variant with the Pro SD treatment would be cool. Give it a factory upgraded trigger, 5" threaded barrel (in both 1/2x28 with the Hellcat dimple for the RDP compensator system and the objectively superior M13.5x1LH for suppressor connaisseurs. And not 5.1" or 5.2" as it should stay legal with most competitive rulebooks that ask for 5" flat) and maybe a factory magwell. And ship it with 4 large magazines that have bombproof floorplates. Plus an enlarged slide stop lever, but just on the left side where most right handed people want. Red dot cowitnessing height irons (so lower than full suppressor height) with a fiber optic front, a tungsten guide rod and steel chassis would also be cool, at least as upgrade parts.

@pgg0024 5 ай бұрын

I have one. Got it when they first came out. Been flawless so far. Under 1k rounds though so far. I like it better than my glocks and I have 24 of those. All said though I carry a staccato

@ericbergfield6451 5 ай бұрын

I too installed the "Large" grip module on my Echelon, & I love it so far

@glennaguon5165 Ай бұрын

That slide release looks like it has a great personality.

@noahboyce9346 Ай бұрын

Could someone break down the "birthday bump" thing. I ask because i saw a video of someone trashing the gun due to that but his was jamming while doing that. I love everything about this gun but i just need to understand the slide drop.

@1911syndicate Ай бұрын

Some guns will drop their slide when you insert a mag with some force. I’ve never had issues because of it. It’s just dependent on the gun

@johndunnan3055 21 сағат бұрын

I have been interested in a duty pistol and was hung up on walther pdp but didn’t care for the beefy slide cuts. Also price point was an issue. The Glock 19 was my next choice but only for my ability to shoot it very well, but hate the look of glock. I watched your video along with all the others about this echelon and like this enough to give it a buy. Thank you guys for the great reviews.

@johnshields6265 5 ай бұрын

I like that hoodie you’re wearing.What brand is it? Great video

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

Kuiu it’s a hunting brand

@LordHollow 15 күн бұрын

I am with you on "pay to upgrade". If it's not solid right out of the box, why are we even here?!

@DizzyShizzy 5 ай бұрын

Those gaps around the optic hurt me right in the soul. Will you be reviewing the “new” TRP?

@PetrosArgy 5 ай бұрын

I shot an Echelon last year at a local range competition where we had to shoot one round with our own pistol, one with a Glock 19 and the third with an Echelon. My first impression picking it up was that it felt plasticky, but I shot that damn thing better than I shot my own VP9. I might have to consider one at some point. Hands down it was a better pistol for me than the Glock.

@joshmajor8662 5 ай бұрын

FYI-Taurus has been doing the optic thing JUST LIKE THIS for several years now Lol their optic system is pretty much the Taurus TORO but upgraded. It’s wild how few know that 🤷‍♂️👍 I was shocked the Springfield too, still won’t back em but this is decent!! Lol

@bryan1976 5 ай бұрын

It's nothing like Taurus toro. Taurus is just cut for a single footprint like all other companies that have optic ready guns. What the Echelon has is a system that you can mount multiple different footprints on without using a plate. Your comparing apples to oranges.

@bernardpo2749 2 ай бұрын

I have a well dressed up hellcat pro and I've been in love with it since the first mod then the echelon was released two different guns but out the box I've almost forgot I have a hellcat pro also my only complaint is that the magazine well has a little wiggle with the mag in it now I don't know if that's because I have the large frame but I would really like to know if I'm the only person who notices the magazine wiggles when you shake the gun I was going to buy the med frame and see if it's the same with the wiggle but other then that this gun is awesome and up until watching this video didn't know this gun could do a birthday bump so thank you

@vmiget01 3 ай бұрын

as a small handed and left handed shooter, the slidfe release/lock works great for me. and i struggle ALOT with other slide releases

@jasonrodgers7762 5 ай бұрын

I have one and love it. The only thing i didnt like is the polymer guide rod. So i put in a steel one. I do that with all of mine that have that. That's just me being nit-picky, though. I think it is a fantastic firearm.

@randomactsofriding4850 5 ай бұрын

Pdp vs echelon I chose pdp but curious on what you guys think

@liamflanagan490 5 ай бұрын

Y'all should do a video on the Beretta PX4G-SD from Langdon tactical with that weird X300 mounted comp thing. Weird enough to be interesting and seems nice. I want to see some videos made on that gun.

@Chrisblau 5 ай бұрын

😉😉 you’re wish might come true

@1911syndicate 5 ай бұрын

See you in a couple weeks

@s.armitage3963 5 ай бұрын

As soon as they have an aluminum grip module like the p320 ill be looking at them

@1911syndicate 5 ай бұрын

That’d be cool. I’m sure someone must be working on that

@juanvaldez6321 5 ай бұрын

Petition icarus, mischief machine and shalotek

@px106l 5 ай бұрын

It is not as reliable as a Glock. I had the same issue with it that I have with the 320. When I got to 1400 rounds, the FCU got gunky and I began to have malfuntions. I had to pull the FCU and drown it in CLP and then was good for another 600 rounds before I experienced the same problem. I then cleaned it and sold it on Gunbroker. For me, reliablity is king so Glock, S&W, HK and Walther are in the circle of trust. The Echelon is probably fine for people that shoot a couple of time of year. It did not hold up to higher round counts just like the SIg.

@chriswilson1968 5 ай бұрын

CZ is my circle of trust. If I gotta just grab one and go it's gonna be my CZ P10c

@user-vz5ss5py5x 5 ай бұрын

bullshit lies bro don't post for likes people have shot over 5k rounds no problems

@Aaronsplace 5 ай бұрын

Man you need to learn how to clean your firearms if your fcu is “gunky” and malfunctioning at 1400 rnds. My echelon has been cleaned 2 times in a little over 5k rounds and I have zero malfunctions. This also feels like a comment from someone who doesnt own an echelon and wants to hate. The fcu doesnt gunk up at all due to the placement and mechanics of the firearm. Small layer of carbon after 1000 rnds?sure. I love my glocks but you could baby wipe this thing in 2 seconds after every 1k rnds and youd never see a malfunction

@b.c.731 5 ай бұрын

I really do like my Springfield prodigy 425. Its still factory and runs great. Im sure the echelon is great and the optic thing is great. But im already good with my 17 mos gen5 and its always been good. I do wish it had the optic setup like the echelon.