Also do not forget if you want to play this game solo you can use Stuka Joe's CDG Solo System which is on the GMT p 500 scheme right now
@Brerrabbit19653 жыл бұрын
The GOAT!! The more someone plays the entire game, the more they appreciate it. The Russian front and Turkey are huge in the second half.
@HeavyH20063 жыл бұрын
I’m very proud of the fact you’ve taken this classic game off the shelf of shame! Big congrats! Great achievement! I’ve played this multiple times w/ Stuka Joe’s CDG solo mechanics. Concur, experientially it felt like the expanding WW1 slog. You have to be mindful of the decisions you make and if you can support the long term campaigns initiatives. It’s only complex in the terms of exceptions to rules when aligning to original WW1 timeline. Totally it’s a testament to Ted Racier’s design and it’s longevity. A great game to play.
@DazzaManOfWar3 жыл бұрын
Got this game on pre-order! Ted Racier = No brainer! You guys just ramped up my excitement! Looking forward to the Solo card play release from GMT by Stuka Joe, that has rules for this game to allow solo play. Great vid guys as always!
@TheWaveofbabies3 жыл бұрын
You might want to take a break from CDG wargames but _For the People_ is a kick ass american civil war game that doesn't have enough content on youtube about it. Might want to take a look at it. I know I'd love to see your take on it.
@tommessig20603 жыл бұрын
Thanks for getting it to the table. I've been curious about your thoughts on this one for a while. I love this game! This and Empire of the Sun I plan to get to the table once a year.
@Justegarde3 жыл бұрын
You guys should give Pursuit of Glory a shot as well. It adds some chrome, but is equally fantastic, and very interesting with the focus on the Mid East.
@NormanHarman3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting almost two years for P500 “made the cut” to ship.
@geometricsprocketАй бұрын
Great introduction to a great game. Love your energy guys.
@tonynewman36313 жыл бұрын
Fantastic game. Right up there with Empire of the Sun for masterpiece CDGs.
@holdenmesserschmitt1603 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This is a signature mark in the GMT pantheon.
@MentatOfDune3 жыл бұрын
It's definitely complex for a new wargamer. I remember playing this with a friend about 10 years ago and Tide of Iron was our most complex game at the time. We played it for 2 hours and got 1 full turn done. After that turn we just started laughing at how confused we were. Put it away for ages but have gone back to it since and loved it. Still scared of jumping into Empire of the Sun though.
@jeffreymonsell659 Жыл бұрын
EOTS is daunting, but if you can get through PoG, it's doable. Mark Herman writes very clear rules, so there shouldn't be any issues in the game unsolvable from the rule book.
@roycenlisa6 ай бұрын
I'm just now getting my gumption up to get this on the table. Thanks for the vote of confidence!
@Sadar21Osasuna3 жыл бұрын
Great to see this game played! For the Entente, Italy is fantastic when it comes into play! You will feel like you are to pierce the A-H and breach the central powers!! And then…. Italy becomes the catch 22, paper soldiers with fake guns unable to to anything… any if you dont hold against A-H, the hope that Italy was becomes a nightmare! Fantastic game, looking forward to seeing the full review. PS: yes, the Germans 16 attacks are punchy…
@xPEACExTSM3 жыл бұрын
I should have picked this up years ago. Ted S. Racier is an amazing designer. I want to say underrated but probably not. I think it is more that I am growing more as a war gamer, which is opening my eyes more and more to these incredible designers. Watching TPA, some other great you tubers as well, hasn’t hurt that growth either.
@MichaelKotsarinis3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation! I really love the whole concept of "The Guns of August" (which btw is my favourite book on the subject).
@kaiax333 жыл бұрын
Awesome! So happy! Long overdue.
@bergstro3 жыл бұрын
Paths of Glory and Empire of the Sun are foundational games in a serious war game collection. Balls to the wall is the only way to play them.
@carrickrichards24573 жыл бұрын
Great game and on my shelf a long time. A classic! Helpful review. Thank you
@ilqrd.66083 жыл бұрын
We need a reprint of this asap!
@jogalvez7463 жыл бұрын
Check gmt, I think another edition was just released or is on the way!
@chrisridley48403 жыл бұрын
now avaliable on GMT p500 scheme i cant post the link as it gets deleted as spam but just go to the website and put in the games name
@alanshackelford64503 жыл бұрын
Reprint is scheduled to be going to printer. GMT suggests 4-6 months for shipping. The way things are going, I'd bet 8-12 months.
@user-xx9do5dr1b2 жыл бұрын
In Russia we are more lucky with print, I've just received localized version of the game:)
@Dekraa3 жыл бұрын
I also had this now in my shelf for a couple of years and just last week opened Pandoras box. And this is a gem. I don't need anything else covering ww1. Yeah, maybe Attrition of souls , just because it seems to be very light and fast, just for fun, but still very good. But out of print ? Looking forward to hearing that playthrough/impression from you two as well (you are the best). Anyway, love Paths Of Glory, I find it fascinating and amazing 👌
@johnsy43063 жыл бұрын
Hey Guys: 1. Surprised you did not talk about supply in this game which is key. You really need to be careful with your supply lines since if you're cut off, your units die permanently (can't be replaced) 2. I see you have a copy of the Player's Guide which I guess is back in print? It wasn't for a long, long time. 3. Are you guys using the WBC Historical Option (i.e. mandatory Guns of August opening) If you play the WBC Historical Option, a lot of the weirdness in the Eastern Front (Dance of Death) goes away. 4. I played this several times but the longest game I played went to 1916 at the WBC where we met. It's really a slog and mentally exhausting. I went at it for about 4 or 5 hours and was absolutely mentally and physically spent. Played the CP and lost. 5. There are of course the follow ons to PATHS which is PURSUIT OF GLORY (currently out of print but on p500 reprint) which deals exclusively with the Middle Eastern front and ILLUSIONS OF GLORY (get the latest rules and card errata) which is just the Eastern Front. 6. Consider playing in the PBEM tournament for PoG sponsored by WBC. You just have to pay 10 bux for an associate membership to be able to play. 7. Finally, speaking of CDGs, you guys ever play or plan to play Mark Herman's FOR THE PEOPLE? Another really good game.
@MrThoVogt3 жыл бұрын
I own the 2001 print of the game plus the players guide and I recently acquired a 2018 print deluxe edition. It seems to me some changes in the initial setup of the starting forces made the players guide more or less irrelevant. Most of the gamey options in there were based on „flaws“ in the older edition. Even the additional cards are already part of the newer version.
@johnsy43063 жыл бұрын
@@MrThoVogt Yes, the changes in the initial setup made some parts of the discussion of the opening (the Eastern part) irrelevant but a lot of the rest talks about how to play the Limited War and Total War cards as well as a discussion on Supply...things that didn't change with the new edition
@MrThoVogt3 жыл бұрын
@@johnsy4306 Maybe it is time then for a new Players Guide. :)
@MrDagon0073 жыл бұрын
This was my first wargame (Gmt’s Saratoga was my 2nd one), I preordered the very first edition after I stumbled on an article about it, and i did not the rules that complex, though playing is a brainburner. Except that i always forget the fiddly middle east rules. There is one element that you could have given some attention in the video, you will probably do that after playing a longer game: the unforgiving supply rules. Esp. In the more mobile east front this can cause easily disaster.
@karlfromthewargame_bootcam77333 жыл бұрын
Great game, one of my favorites. Great tension,not totally historical since its a sandbox game but well worth the effort.
@NullSpaceKid3 жыл бұрын
Show looks better now that you're both in uniform
@cardboardconflicts3 жыл бұрын
So I’m a big Lamps fan and the two are compared a lot curious to hear a stack up between the two. Obviously different style games but as WW1 games curious on following: if you could only own one of the two which would you grab, 2. Is there space on the shelf for both (do they scratch different itches)
@ThePlayersAid3 жыл бұрын
Tough to say at this stage with our one short play of PoG. Paths of Glory is more my style, but Lamps is less complex so I would get to play it with more (little less hardcore) people. But if it's just Grant and myself, then probably PoG.There is room for both if you have a big shelf, and Lamps is easier/simpler to solo if you're into that.
@Shonai_Dweller3 жыл бұрын
I don't play a huge ton of games, and certainly hadn't played much that was heavy when I picked up Paths of Glory, but, yeah, agree that it really wasn't that difficult to learn. Long, certainly, but not that difficult at all to learn the rules.
@PMMagro3 жыл бұрын
A beautiful game. I have managed to lose the game turn 1 in France, it is doable! But it is quite a game with all the fronts and events :)
@kevinbertram48283 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@davidheath41713 жыл бұрын
The mandatory offensives are are also cool
@chrissteadman46143 жыл бұрын
How do you think it would be if played solo? I'm looking for a WW1 Grand Strategy game. I've played DG's 'World War 1 Deluxe' and really enjoyed it, but I'm now looking for something that is more sophisticated. Any suggestions would very much appreciated.
@chrisridley48403 жыл бұрын
if you want to play this game solo you can use Stuka Joe's CDG Solo System which is on the GMT p 500 scheme right now
@chrissteadman46143 жыл бұрын
@@chrisridley4840 Thanks Chris, I will check that out.
@derek83mn3 жыл бұрын
@@chrissteadman4614 @Chris Ridley You can also just try to play both sides best you can too... read the cards and play the best card - even though you know everything on either side.. When you're learning, you can only concentrate on one side at a time anyway :-D Stuka Joe's system is good too though !
@evildrganymede3 жыл бұрын
I see you've got the PoG Players Guide there too, that's pretty rare and hard to find nowadays (not sure how much if any of that is integrated into the later editions? IIRC it had some extra cards and counters?)
@ThePlayersAid3 жыл бұрын
I got it with my older copy in a trade. I think the cards and counters are included in the newest deluxe version. I'm not 100% positive about the scenarios and other bits and pieces. But there's still a ton of history and strategy stuff that's not included.
@thrudd66103 жыл бұрын
BLOOPERS REEL!
@iacoposeverini60533 жыл бұрын
I’v always wondered why you v never tried it before 😂 I would give a try also to Illusion of glory Now is much better with new rules
@hankczinaski915 Жыл бұрын
Personally I prefer the classic map. :P
@CataclysmNow_3 жыл бұрын
Still have yet to get this in front of a live opponent. I'm terrible at soloing CDGs, so I haven't tapped into the full potential of the game.
@ThePlayersAid3 жыл бұрын
Soloing CDGs is hard, even with the Stuka Joe method, it's just not the same with regards to surprise and dynamism.
@Fess99911 ай бұрын
is there a complete review of the game, from u guys?
@ThePlayersAid11 ай бұрын
No not yet
@BradJessup Жыл бұрын
Great initial impressions. I hope to see more Paths of Glory videos. Just wanted to clarify something you said about flank attacks at about the 16 minute mark. You said that you can sacrifice Combat Factors to get +1 on flank attack attempt. This is not correct. No CFs of any units are sacrificed in a flank attack. All units in the attack still get to use their current CP in the attack. Though your "current" CF may be different depending on if the flank attempt fails or not. See Ben Harsh's flank attack explanation in kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eqykqbh639WddYE.html at about the 15:30 mark.
@wartable2 жыл бұрын
Great game but often comes down to screwing up supply and instantly losing many units and the game. Wish this could be fixed somehow.
@williamcunningham49463 жыл бұрын
Is there naval conflict in any of these WW1 games??
@ThePlayersAid3 жыл бұрын
Empire At Surise, and Kaiser's Pirates.
@williamcunningham49463 жыл бұрын
@@ThePlayersAid no I don't mean naval specific games, I mean does Paths of Glory have a naval component part, or balance of power or any of the WW1 grand strategy games
@ThePlayersAid3 жыл бұрын
@@williamcunningham4946 lamps are going out has a small naval blockade/Jutland element, and has some holding boxes for sub warfare. But mostly haven't come across much, and if they do include it's typically pretty abstract.
@williamcunningham49463 жыл бұрын
@@ThePlayersAid thanks much
@misomiso82283 жыл бұрын
How long and complex is a game of Paths of Glory comparred to Twilight Struggle?
@ThePlayersAid3 жыл бұрын
The full campaign game of all the years is probably 3-4 times as long as TS, especially when new. Complexity is a step up, in the sense that there's more things to consider (supply, reinforcement points, army composition, defenses). There's a lot of teaching videos out there too, to help.
@misomiso82283 жыл бұрын
@@ThePlayersAid Ah ok. What about taht other game you mentioned - Fields of despair? If you could one or both of these on camera that would be helpful!
@ThePlayersAid3 жыл бұрын
@@misomiso8228 we actually did a video review of Fields of Despair, it's an older video but it still checks out. It's a block wargame with a very different set of mechanics, but is also very fun.
@misomiso82283 жыл бұрын
@@ThePlayersAid Ah ok. I will go and clear it. Leave it to me...
@Katoh643 жыл бұрын
Is there any good classic CDG World War 2 game?
@Bane....hardy.3 жыл бұрын
Barbarossa to Berlin. It may be out of print.
@Brerrabbit19653 жыл бұрын
B2B is the direct sequel to PoG. It's a great game.
@Katoh643 жыл бұрын
@@Brerrabbit1965 too scripted.
@Brerrabbit19653 жыл бұрын
@@Katoh64 I have heard that before. That is fair. I just love the game system.
@BrianMarcus-nz7cs Жыл бұрын
Hey Grant I have been playing airborne commander after seeing Ur video,,,,,, I loose every time. ,,,,So Shuffle all airborne cards shuffle and deal Jerry s 4 battlefeild , then deal one allied card to your hand then drop zone till you hand got 5, and 4 in drop zone total nine cards !!!! Now if u can't engage enemy card and there's no disorder cards. Unengaged Card infulltrates Ur drop zone , u get rid of it by accepting a disorder card that gets dealt to d zone or that's unused ,all disorder drop zone cards set aside after round unless dropzone infultrated, still u have to accept the flak card cannot b rejected like this , I think u find this method tells a bigger story in the spirit of game , Grant any other ideas,,,,ta ,,, when are u and Alex going to put up a Up Front game together, would love to see the game played by scenario lovers , cheers ✍️🪶🕊️