I told the owner the same thing. 10 years from now these platforms will be very different thanks to their innovations

@@HarleyWood23 I completely agree, the engineering has significantly improved. There are more aerospace engineers going into the field of weapon design. I feel Tom Silva (RIP) from Patriot Ordnance Factory started it. It’s super exciting to see the development of ARs being done today.

Thats like Pepsi and Coke doing a collaborations

theyre working on one actually!

CHF machines are unfortunately too big of an investment for their current needs. I asked tom a while back and he said they're multiple millions of dollars and they can't justify the cost and don't want to outsource for CHF barrels like other companies do.

This guy gets it.

You mean they did the same thing as the HM monobloc, except knowing FM, made it like shit?

here's my only gripe...what if they mess up one part? You replace the whole thing instead of one part. so you can only have their gas port size and their muzzle device selection. HM defense did something similar and tbh im not impressed in the performance.

pretty much. like 5 minutes with a drill and tap and you've accomplished the same thing with much less parts and tools. pretty classic case of engineers and their good idea fairy BS.

As a bored engineer. Will attest.

How many rounds have you fired through yout AR-15?

@@gardnert1 idk exactly. north of 5k for sure, maybe 6.5-7k since I built it in '13. standard staking has never been an issue. never walked or needed addressed. the FN barrel is more of a concern at the moment that the gas block is.

Very rube goldberg indeed

Are you changing your gas block out routinely? Original design was tapered pins, completely solid. Set screws and dimples have been working fine for decades now as well. This would work, but why pay the extra cost for it and the proprietary barrel as well...

@@jagx234 You are correct, but the pins require a jig and drilling through the barrel. This just seems like a more elegant solution. I personally want even low profile gas block to be pinned and not just dimpled. This just seems simpler. I’m not going to change my rifles, but this might be good for future builds.

They'd have to outsource thr production of the barrel. If im not mistaken there's only like 4-6 cold hammer forges in the world and like 3 are in the US. Pretty sure Daniel defense and geissele own one and maybe FN but I believe that's it. It also could be a cost thing. They may not like the price point they'd have to sell the rifle at, if it's equipped with a CHF barrel. But I feel u, love me some CHF chrome lined barrels. I have 3 Geissele and an FN

@@joshuabruce9920 you're correct. 90% of CHF/CL barrels on the market are outsourced. PSA, centurion arms, etc. dont make their own and i know tom prefers everything in house. only thing they dont make is springs and im pretty sure those are sprinco

​@@joshuabruce9920I know DD has a hammer forge for barrels, I have one of their excellent barrels. The start up cost for cold hammer forging is expensive, but I think once you have the equipment the cost to use it is not bad at all. I found a company in North Carolina called Sand Manufacturing that does CHF barrels. They do blanks and finished barrels. Bear Creek Arsenal has recently invested in 2 hammer forging machines and these are huge machines from what I saw on the video. It looks like this is becoming more prevalent in America, so that's a good thing. It looks like a large production machine costs between 1 million and 2 million dollars.

@@joshuabruce9920 Don't forget that Bear Creek Arsenal bought a hammer forge not too long ago. There are more hammer forging outfits than most realize. Less common forges are like the one at the Watervliet Arsenal where we would do 105, 155, and larger barrels on.

Agreed. Unfortunately half of the SHOT show has turned into this exact same thing, a whole lot of solutions to problems that don't exist.

I agree....seems shotshow is the equivalent to sema....bunch of unfinished and stupid car builds lol

@@bwcritch that’s how everything is now-a-days. We have to reinvent the wheel over and over and over for no reason

accuracy. Press fitting of gas blocks and other forms of fitting squeeze the internal diameter of he barrel which can cause a reduction of velocity or accuracy or increase in pressure when the bullet squeezes through. The dimensions of the bullet can change when passing through this area of a barrel where the gas block sits using traditional methods.

You cannot use any barrel with any gas block. Just goes to show how little people actually know about the parts that are out there, and how innovation like this is how we move forward. If the entire industry had your attitude we would still be using muskets.

No it wouldn't. The snap ring is just there to hold on and compress the spring. It does that no matter which side faces which way. Explain how "sharp edge towards the muzzle, rounded edge towards the spring" is "critical" or actually makes ANY difference in that.

@@scubasleeve3497 with snap rings, you always want the sharp edge towards the thrust surface. Or they can pop out from vibration or jaring. If you feel a snap ring, there's a sharp edge, and a round edge, because they're stamped. With how violent a gun blast is, it could potentially pop the ring off. Hence, sharp edge towards the thrust surface. Any mechanic knows this principle with snap rings. Have fun chasing after your spring when it pops off. 🤙🏼

The bottom portion of the gas block has minor taper. As the gas block seats on its final position for gas port coverage, there will be a full seal. The seal becomes more secure as the barrel heats up. 416R expands slightly larger greater and faster than 17-4 or 15-5 PH SS

Thank you. The bottom portion of the gas block has minor taper. As the gas block seats on its final position for gas port coverage, there will be full seal. The seal becomes more secure as the barrel heats up. 416R expands slightly larger greater and faster than 17-4 or 15-5 PH SS

It comes with set screws or at least the threaded holes. It would be crazy not to dimple the barrel and install set screws in addition to this great mounting system. Dimpling a barrel and installing set screws is very easy and quick. You don't have to go deep at all. Even the guy demonstrating it from the company said he uses the set screws as a redundancy.

@@actionjksn That's what's great about this. You CAN add the set screws but there's no need to. End user decides. I see no need for them and I don't think that's "crazy". Doing the dimpling right requires an additional jig. This system removes the need for all that.

This is how platforms evolve. Someone pushes the envelope and the industry will either accept or reject or improve upon it.

Everything we do is backwards compatible including our barrel and gas block. This gas block option does not change the cost of the system. We EDM our gas block to start with.

We were asked to pin the gas blocks by the contract. This option satisfied that requirement.

It certainly CAN be a thing, mostly with people building their own guns from the ground up, which is a LOT of people. This system is unarguably easier to install and UNINSTALL than a traditional block for the regular Joe building an AR, and takes improper indexing of gas block to gas port completely out of the equation. It takes swapping out the entire gas/system from a tedious process basically to be avoided at all costs, to a ridiculously simple matter which gives the end user a ton of options for easily switching those components out for something different/better. This is not some "solution looking for a problem". This is one of those true innovations that makes an otherwise fiddly or laborious process into something more like "sticking two Legos together" and I hope this becomes the standard for the entire gun industry at some point.

easy

I'm sure that's coming in the future. An when it does, if you have this system on your gun, installing that new adjustable gas block will take a couple of minutes and be MUCH easier than the old way.

Depending on how much you shoot, and especially if you shoot suppressed, you’ll need to clean the gas port occasionally.

Thank you. The bottom portion of the gas block has minor taper. As the gas block seats on its final position for gas port coverage, there will be full seal. The seal becomes more secure as the barrel heats up. 416R expands slightly larger greater and faster than 17-4 or 15-5 PH SS

Huh?

It's probably less complicated than drilling a barrel for taper pins. You already have to turn/machine the barrel so it adds one more step to do some flats and another to cut a groove for the snap ring. Those add steps but it is very basic machining and does not add a lot of time either. Plus. I don't care how much more complicated it is to machine (as long as it doesn't add a lot of $$$). The important thing is how much this simplifies MY process of installing a gas block on the barrel, which this absolutely does. Not only is the process simpler and quicker, it appears more robust (the gas block CANNOT be torqued out of timing with the gas port) and is MUCH easier to remove and re-do if you have to for some reason.

@@scubasleeve3497 no its not cause now you need to machine flats on the barrel which need to be very precise along with broaching or milling the bore of the gas black to the same profile rather than just a simple turning operation you now have precision milling involved... i am a machinist by profession and the only cool thing about this set up is not having to index the gas block which really was never an issue to begin with.

Except this setup is not cheaper. The extra machine time, tooling, springs and snap rings make this system waaaayyyy more expensive than a simple pinned gas block. Also, now you have to have special tools for assembly/disassembly. Interesting engineering, but not very practical.

No change in cost at all. It’s a free option and also backwards compatible.

How could the gas block possibly spin with the matching flats that are machined into the sides of the barrel and gas block? That would be like spinning a square peg in a square hole.

​@@BlackoutDefense I have spent enough years in machine shops to call complete BS on that. There is no way doing the additional operations of machining the flats doesn't add to costs.

@@AdministrativeReload I have control over my cost and efficiency. Our customers will not see a change in price for this option. Not everyone penny counts a 30 second added operation like a jobshop where you may have worked. This called added value.

you have to remember, blackout defense is an all encompassing in house brand. So everything they make is originally intended for their rifles. I didn't see people complaining that their dual taper lock handguard is proprietary to their rifles. People only talked about how good the design is. This is no different and the vast majority that use this block will use it on their rifles, which I highly recommended even before this.

Politely, these are ignorant statements. 1. it doesn't matter that the gas block itself is similar to others, it's how it's INSTALLED that differentiates it. 2. nobody is saying that you "need a whole new barrel". This is for building a gun from the ground up (for which you do need some barrel), or buying a gun which comes with this system. Obviously there is not as compelling a reason to install one of these in place of a barrel on an existing gun. 3. why would you be carrying another tool? This is "set it and forget it". Do you carry a hex wrench around for your gas block set screws? Do you carry a hammer and punch for gas blocks attached with taper pins? The answer is no (unless you're a weirdo) once a gas block is installed (if done right) you never have to think about it again. This is no different. Of course if you DID want to change the whole gas block/gas system at the range you actually CAN with this system and be right back in business in like a minute. You cannot do that with taper pinned or set screwed blocks. Clamp on would be about as fast to remove but would still require more care/time to align to the gas port when you go to install. This product makes the installation of a gas block on a new barrel absolutely fool proof. That peace of mind is worth "something". How much is up to each person. As some have said, some mfgs. are coming out with barrels with gas block machined in one piece. I actually prefer this system. At some point Blackout, or someone else will introduce adjustable blocks or just different blocks that go on the barrel the same way. This system enables you to EASILY, QUICKLY, AND REPEATABLY, with no effort or wear on any parts or need for screw locking compound, to replace or switch out gas blocks. Installing and uninstalling a gas block the traditional way is a much more laborious/tedious process which requires care and indexing. This is dead easy by comparison and essentially impossible to screw up. This may not be something YOU want but it gives people lots of options. That's why I'll be looking to "go this route" for my next build.