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Inside a Puremate "ioniser" (it's an ozone generator)
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Күн бұрынThe circuitry in this unit is strange. It almost appears to be for diagnostic purposes, or maybe to add an air of sophistication. The PCB at the front could literally be removed and replaced by a single LED.
Although this unit is described as an ioniser, it's more of an ozone generator. There's definitely air ionisation involved, but it's immediately followed by an opposite polarity plate to create a distinct plasma discharge and strong breeze.
The discharge on the end of the sharp stainless steel spikes is very visible in a dimly lit room.
The unit produces enough ozone to be an irritant in a small space, but in a large house it could be viable for replenishing the active elements of the natural air that quickly dissipate in an indoor environment. (Normal outdoor air typically contains around 0.01 parts per million of ozone.)
There's a removable aroma-bead capsule in the base, and the unit is supplied with nauseating vanilla scented beads. It seems strange to do that with an ozone generator. It might be to mask the smell of ozone in its direct vicinity.
I'm pretty sure these units go back a long way, which might explain the slightly retro circuitry. They go under various brands with fairly full-on marketing. It's reassuring that they do specifically mention the ozone or "active oxygen" in their technical data, and even state an ozone output of 5mg an hour.
The style and construction is actually very good. They feel solid with a nice texture on the plastic surface. Internally, the stainless spike-plate, aluminium panel and potted high voltage module seem well designed.
I'm pro-ozone if used to refresh indoor air at very low levels. This unit is probably best suited to quite large areas. I'm not sure it would be wise to use it in a small bedroom.
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@nascar20970 3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised you didn't show it running with the cover off. I wanted to see the blue glow at the pointed tips.
@Seegalgalguntijak 3 жыл бұрын
I think the "low voltage" LED might be an indicator that there is a version of this that is intended to be battery powered. So while it will still run when the battery gets down to a certain voltage, it also indicates that the battery shall be replaced or recharged. Possibly 3 Li-Ion batteries in series, putting out about 12.6V when full, but when they're below 9.6V, they still kind of work, as in they're not overly discharged, but empty enough for the device to tell the user it will need to be recharged asap.
@plainedgedsaw1694 3 жыл бұрын
Or because it has general purpose power socket so it may get plugged into wrong adapter or 12v socket which is likely to be battery powered.
@blg53 3 жыл бұрын
@@plainedgedsaw1694 Could it be that when the voltage gets too low the HV generator will stop "ringing" which may cause it's transistor to overheat (just ohmic resistance instead of high-frequency inductance) and either it or the transformer gets destroyed? Just a guess mind, but would explain why they may warn the user about low voltage.
@plainedgedsaw1694 3 жыл бұрын
@@blg53 that's also possible but still, finding something not foolproof these days is quite hard.
@AlanJenney 3 жыл бұрын
My Heaven Fresh 100 came with an additional automotive cable. The Low-V LED was claimed to show if your car battery was drained too much!
@snuggles1406 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if the low voltage is for if it is used in a mobile home, car or any 12v battery powered supply!
@meh6722 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't a true clive week without him tearing down an ionizer
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
I am slightly obsessed with them at the moment.
@alexmarshall4331 3 жыл бұрын
@@meh6722 Me too....Ion Man 👉💎👈
@Namirred 3 жыл бұрын
I have one similar that came with a mains adapter plus a car adapter. I think the low-voltage LED is for when it’s plugged into the car to warn that it’s not getting enough power i.e. low battery, but I think you would know that anyway. It was marketed for home and car use.
@SteveBrace 3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@Lizlodude 3 жыл бұрын
This is what I was thinking as well, although if your car battery is dropping below 9.6v you may have other things to worry about than your ozone generator not running heh.
@fumthings 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lizlodude also appeals to preppers living in their bug out caravan or persons living in their car
@royking1 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking with it having a 12v dc input instead of a mains input.
@royking1 3 жыл бұрын
@@fumthings or the zombie apocalypse! (Odour to mask the smell of the living🤣)
@jakp8777 3 жыл бұрын
best part of this ionizer is its case. Very unique plastic.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
They also do a wood finish version which looks remarkably stylish.
@Aco747lyte 8 ай бұрын
Hi Clive, about four months ago I bought one for our lounge and found it very effective against airborne allergens since we had a new carpet fitted, but also we suffer from pollen. It's been very good, though it's switched off when we go to sleep, really only for safety reasons. I didn't want to keep buying expensive HEPA filters, except I give the device an occasional clean once the ionizer is switched off. My partner "Hedge" who is retired from Special Forces says it's a very good purchase though we are aware the Puremate is really an ozone generator, we've not experienced any strange niffs (except evil dog farts). Your teardown analysis was very good listening and I thank you so much for all your time and effort. Very best wishes to you ~Wendi 🌻
@antoanto5301 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Clive, I have one of these for years, I do occasionally get a sore throat and hoarse voice now and then, I will turn it off and see how I feel!
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
These units are OK. But not used continuously in a small room.
@chrisa2735-h3z 3 жыл бұрын
I love the 90s looking speckled finish it makes it look a lot more professional
@WineScrounger 3 жыл бұрын
Professional ozone-stinker
@phillipbartlett1819 3 жыл бұрын
Learn something new every time I watch you. Thanks again for a wonderful video
@ConstantlyDamaged 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a good thing to have in the air return for a central heating/aircon system to give a nice puff of ozone to the whole house AND help keep stuff from growing in the heating/cooling system.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
They do sell carbon fibre emitter based positive/negative ionisers that effectively do that.
@AureliusR 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigclivedotcom You just said ionizer, which is it? Is it an ionizer or an ozone generator, or are they the same thing? Don't ion generators also produce ozone?
@bigclivedotcom 2 жыл бұрын
@@AureliusR It's both. This unit is primarily an ozone generator that uses ionisation to create the corona discharge. A traditional carbon fibre or needle ioniser produces levels of ozone lower than natural ambient levels.
@gt3911 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of these - simply because all your ioniser videos made me feel like I was missing out! FYI they're sold with a 12v adapter to place on your car parcel shelf hooked upto a cigarette lighter socket. Its sold for "small Areas Such as Cars, Powder Room and Office Space" on the box. But now I know it's just ozone and I'm not sure if I want it on! Although I only run it on a timer for 4hours in the AM
@Nono-hk3is 3 жыл бұрын
I suggest that given the age ofthe design, perhaps it originally relied on an AC DC converter that didn't have feedback? (Just a transformer and a bridge rectifier.) So it might be subject to verying voltage as mains voltage swings up and down.
@TheRailroad99 3 жыл бұрын
also when the supply is unregulated, a short of the spikes might turn that LED on
@matthewbeddow3278 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Clive, interesting construction.
@g7eit 4 ай бұрын
I bought the exact same thing but it’s the 1000 not 100. It’s amazing, it takes all the nasty smells away but it does stink of ozone. Thanks for doing this video, you’re an absolute genius Clive.
@deelkar 3 жыл бұрын
to get rid of the Vanilla smell put it in the dishwasher on the hottest setting (if any) that the plastic will allow.
@jimsvideos7201 3 жыл бұрын
Unplug it first though.
@TechGorilla1987 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimsvideos7201 That doesn't make for a good video.
@rossl4975 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of these. The low voltage LED is because of the fact you can switch between hi and low as you showed with the switch connected to the two diodes. There is a low voltage mode so you can reduce the power consumption and ion/ozone output. So they added an indicator LED to remind you.
@benbaselet2026 3 жыл бұрын
Those extra LEDs are what happens when the product is designed by the marketing department and nobody goes through a cost-cutting phase.
@zh84 3 жыл бұрын
The same, I think, applies to the aroma. "People associate clean air with nice smells - let's add a function to perfume the air as it comes out."
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 3 жыл бұрын
@@zh84 But that's not necessarily stupid, people do associate "quality" and "functionality" with things they can sense.
@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 3 жыл бұрын
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart adding features isn't stupid... letting marketing departments design products may be bad practice, but also not necessarily stupid. Both at once, while not having a check and balance on them... i would say is stupid. Not the actions per se, but the sheer amount of ways that can go wrong is definitely not smart to leave alone.
@spaceted3977 4 ай бұрын
The LEDs are to tell you if it's on High or Low !!! I have this Ionizer and it's Excellent !!!
@rolfs2165 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding the rings around the holes in the aluminium plate, I think that area has experienced more intense and deeper oxydisation from all the free oxygen radicals produced there.
@Faracus 3 жыл бұрын
The color may also be due to the original owners use of the vanilla crystals
@tubejoust 3 жыл бұрын
that aluminum plate appears to be water jet cut. you can see the start stop spot at the bottom of the large circles.
@dadygee 3 жыл бұрын
I have the the big brother for that one.. And they sell it as an ozone creator/bad smell remover. Now and again you need to clean out the dust due to static charge.
@dadygee 3 жыл бұрын
@Schwalbe262 This; ioniser , air purifier www.kjell.com/se/produkter/hem-fritid/kropp-halsa/luftrenare/rubicson-jonisator-for-rum-upp-till-25-m-p40441
@AnWe79 3 жыл бұрын
I've got the same one. Not explicitly called an ozone generator, but I guess that might scare some people off. They do market it specifically for removing odors though, and warn a bit about ozone, so not terribly misleading except for calling it an ionizer. The dust collector plates come out, so it's fairly easy to clean. I wonder a bit about the
@ifell3 3 жыл бұрын
I contacted heaven fresh directly years ago and they reassured me no ozone was present, even though I could smell it!!
@samuelfellows6923 3 жыл бұрын
🤥 - 😠
@esecallum 3 жыл бұрын
WHY IS EVERYONE GETTING THEIR KNICKERS IN A TWIST ABOUT OZONE? OZONE IS NETHER BAD NOR GOOD. ITS THE LEVEL THAT IS KEY. JUST LIKE PARACETAMOL.
@esecallum 3 жыл бұрын
I bought 4 and they were overheating and started giving out smoke. DANGEROUS. RETURNED .
@esecallum 3 жыл бұрын
@A true meme master its DOSE dependent. why cant you understand that? is it difficult. why?
@Lenny-kt2th 3 жыл бұрын
@@esecallum I am not, but with all capital letters, you certainly seem to be.
@AdrenoChrome89 3 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same one, had it a few years. The reason for all the voltage regulation, low voltage indication etc is that it was marketed as being portable, comes with a cigarette-lighter plug. I think it's aimed at caravans with liesure batteries.
@donnahill214 7 ай бұрын
Does it actually make a difference brought because got asthma
@AdrenoChrome89 6 ай бұрын
@@donnahill214 It definitely pulls the dirt out of the air. You will notice that you have to clean surfaces near it more often and clean the tips once a month or so (make sure it's switched off, I find cotton buds with rubbing alcohol cleans them well). I can't say how it will improve your situation but I can vouch that it works.
@MadScienceWorkshoppe 3 жыл бұрын
I had one that looked just like that maybe a decade ago (maybe more)
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they seem to go back a long way.
@PINKBOY1006 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my grandmother had like 3 of these things scattered around the house. They were from the 90’s iirc. She might still have them kicking around in the basement bedroom.
@Ionizerions 2 жыл бұрын
I have been testing many dry room negative ionizers for the past 6 months. I will be testing this model soon. With the grounding, it gets interesting. In Japan, they don’t use ground often, so how is it they make the best Ionizers then? So I mixed and matched adaptors in Ionizers (don’t do this) and got interesting results. Ion emission/density changes. And the quality of those ions too. Not all negative ions are of the same “species”. Anyway I will measure ozone emission, ion density, Voc reduction, no2 or byproduct creation. I haven’t posted much videos in my channel yet due to reading extensively. But if anyone has any questions on ionizers, let me know. Also, thank you so much for your ionizer videos. I certainly learned a lot.
@Ionizerions 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve also tested bipolar ionizers, and hvac ionizers. Ionizers can have the exact same ion density but yield completely different results in the air and for health. Now I understand most are ion inhalation as a quackery science understandably. I wasn’t a big believer until ionizers completely got rid of my allergies (unlike hepa filters)
@Ionizerions 2 жыл бұрын
Now if you really want a headache.. when I earth myself (attach wrist strap to metal frame) while inside a car/using an ionizer plugged in.. why does my ionizer work better? What does my bodies charge have to do with ions emitted? Charged particles and the bodies voltage and what we do and don’t inhale, such an in depth science
@bigclivedotcom 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed you had a video suggesting that an ioniser increases VOCs. From my own tests I think the VOC sensors are susceptible to electrostatic build up in the vicinity of ionisers and that may result in rogue readings.
@bigclivedotcom 2 жыл бұрын
If you are holding a simple ion meter then grounding yourself will result in a significant reading increase.
@Ionizerions 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigclivedotcom I’ve been studying Voc sensors like a mad man for the past 6 months, I don’t trust any of them. But the correlations are reliable. the vocs uptick is temporary in that video. The intermediate voc produced are also amendable to ionization. And the byproducts from those intermediates, also amendable to ionization. The issue is gas isn’t concentrated in an closed environment in a room. It’s difficult to ionize vocs in open space. One study showed roughly 50% of Voc removal is in the hvac, and 10% can be added by a portable purifier (such as an ionizer). I should update the text in that video down since it’s misleading/or I have come to new conclusions.
@Dth091 3 жыл бұрын
They call it an ioniser even though it makes ozone because calling it a "radicaliser" sounds a little problematic
@theLuigiFan0007Productions 3 жыл бұрын
STEP RIGHT UP AND GET YOUR ANTI-ANTIOXIDANTS TODAY!
@pheffr 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Clive! I know why they have a low voltage LED! If you run that thing off of your car battery, say to remove smells and whatnot, you would want an indicator to show that the car battery is low so you don't run it flat. I would bet that it was originally designed to be run in your car while you're not in it.
@peterg1448 3 жыл бұрын
that frosted look on the aluminium looks a bit like the effect you get when tig welding aluminium from the cleaning cycle
@ExStaticBass 3 жыл бұрын
The low voltage thing is likely meant for mobile use. I would imagine that it would have some sort of car adapter. I can also imagine having some sort of battery pack which would work well enough. The low power LED most likely has to do with that mode of operation.
@SaNjA2659 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: if you somehow manage to put the Low/High switch in its middle position so that neither of the Zeners are connected, it'll apply full voltage to the HV booster and make it all much more spectacular!
@userPrehistoricman 3 жыл бұрын
nice trick
@Peter_S_ 3 жыл бұрын
Brian Eno did the same with synthesizers. The "in-between" settings are where much magic resides.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
I tried. I think it's a make before break switch.
@erikdenhouter 3 жыл бұрын
That is a valid point you give there. The 10,5V zener should just be connected to the base, and 8V should be switched parallel to it. As it is now, a dirty switch could trash the high voltage unit.
@eastcoastscumbag3307 3 жыл бұрын
The v stands for vanilla, it lights up when the scent gets below all encompassing.
@Purple431 3 жыл бұрын
Weird circuitry but nicely made :D
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
It's obviously designed to also run off of a battery pack. That's why it has a low V LED.
@fumthings 3 жыл бұрын
also appeals to preppers living in their bug out caravan or persons living in their car
@snakezdewiggle6084 3 жыл бұрын
Very strange logic. I think your conclusion is flawed.
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
@@snakezdewiggle6084 I'm not sure what you think is strange about it. What other reason would there be to have a low V LED? It is set to come on close to the 12V lead acid minimum voltage (9V+0.7+0.7=10.4V).
@snakezdewiggle6084 3 жыл бұрын
@@stargazer7644 do you really need an explanation ?
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
@@snakezdewiggle6084 Well if you're going to claim someone's logic and conclusion is flawed, you probably better be able to back it up.
@williamsquires3070 3 жыл бұрын
Can we combine this with a 4-port Ethernet router? The case looks like it would be quite stylish for a router. Ohhh, and let’s put in one of those ultrasonic pest repellers - we don’t want rats chewing on our Ethernet cables!
@mabs503 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of these in my boat. It was sold as an ozon generator, and is working well for what it is. It has very low energy consumption and I'll leave it on for a week or so in the spring to reduce the usual boat smell, when I'm not there.
@dfgdfg_ 3 жыл бұрын
that's what it's for? Suppressing smells?
@hullinstruments 3 жыл бұрын
I found a professional ozone generator at my buddies industrial recycling yard last year. I couldn’t figure out what it was it first but turns out it’s for crime scene cleanup. It was about a $1500 unit, it’s still in storage somewhere. The damn sensor board on it cost more than most ozone generators I’ve ever seen. The little ozone sensors and circuit board sells for about 500 bucks. I almost popped it out and sold that part on eBay but decide to stick the whole thing in storage. It’s all stainless and nice and portable. It could either run on rechargeable lithium battery packs, or it could be plugged into either 110V or 12V car. Probably got a lot of use in crime scene cleanup. But it looked really clean and in really good shape. I think it was only about five years old.
@nigeljohnson9820 3 жыл бұрын
The ozone cloud really messes up any touch switch technology. If you have touch switch mains light dimmers, the charge cloud can make the lights dim switch on to full brightness and flash at random, simulating the poltergeist experience. One interesting effect is that the charged cloud persists for a considerable time, and can be wafted past the light switch by a light breeze. As has been my mentioned many times on this channel, coincident with reviews of ionizers, operation of such devices in a domestic environment will, overtime, coat the room walls in a layer of grim and dust, with the notable exception of the room corners, which are protected by the reverse effect of point discharge. It might be worth connecting up one of these ionisers to a paint spray can, and experiment with electrostatic painting. Might be handy in providing a quality paint finish on die-cast metal hobby boxes. The marks on the aluminium sheet may well by aluminium oxide, the result of the ozone gas decomposing. The circuit seems unnecessarily complicated, it seem like very poor design to turn off the under voltage LED by shorting it out.
@johndododoe1411 3 жыл бұрын
The tiny capacitor is obviously to suppress coupled noise from the HV module. Diagnostic LEDs help identify the failed board. The LED resistor for the "regulator OK" LED is on the regulator board either to save PCB space on the front panel board or a leftover from planning to use different resistors for high and low voltage setting, but the values ended up being within tolerance of each other. The regulator circuit is a textbook "emitter follower" circuit. Entire device seems designed for hand building in an amateur setting, then commercialized as is.
@spaceted3977 4 ай бұрын
I have that Ionizer !!! it has 2 levels, High or Low !!! That 's the Switch on the Right. It has been Very Good and I've had it for Years !!!
@Barbarra63297 3 жыл бұрын
I have two of the 'tower' type ionizers approx 2 and half feet tall, these were made to clear out smoke and whatever else they can clear out lol. Both of mine have ozone guards which do work to stop the smell of ozone permeating the air. They are also cleanable by lifting up and out the workings and washing the metal plates with soap and warm water. Each unit is a 4 Watt unit so little energy is used to power them but they do put out quite a breeze while of course being silent, no moving parts. This one you are dissecting is a strange little unit and if it pulls air in it's going to get filty sooner or later and it doesn't look like something you'd want to clean with those spikes lol.
@kaashee 2 жыл бұрын
I clean mine with earbuds
@sofa-lofa4241 3 жыл бұрын
I bought one similar from Tchibo about 15 years ago, The outer shell moulding was the same but inside mine there were about 10 needles and a steel plate with 3 tiers, approx. 6" x 1" each, which plugged into a socket, On my unit you could open a hatch and remove the steel plates for cleaning, they attracted a lot of dust and it looked black like soot, They had a significantly larger surface area than Clive's unit though, around 4 times the area in total, it did not have a container for scent though (thank god!) It worked well and put out quite a breeze, I used it with a timer plug so I could do 1 hour on, 2 off, It also ran on 12V, so it was handy in the greenhouse as well, running from a 12V 12Ah battery and 12V timer, it helped with stopping mould at critical times
@davestorm6718 3 жыл бұрын
I bought this exact unit (with a different name) back in 2004! Wow! They still make these?
@poellot 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a way you can test all the output of ozone from all the still working units you have? Maybe put them in that box with the meter like you did on the hvac overtime stream then time them?
@jtjames79 3 жыл бұрын
If it smells like magic blue smoke, it's working.
@joeclarke9782 3 жыл бұрын
I second the motion.
@jaxjackson4100 3 жыл бұрын
Low voltage warning could be there for use in your car. Or campersince they get musty when stored.
@fumthings 3 жыл бұрын
also appeals to preppers living in their bug out caravan or persons living in their car
@joshuarobinson2990 3 жыл бұрын
Ozone Whoosher 3000 sounds like something that comes in a plain brown box from a questionable naughty website.
@johnjones4825 3 жыл бұрын
Or what Derek of VGG would call something that makes sparks...(aside from his usual "sparkalator" or "lightning whirler")
@stridermt2k 3 жыл бұрын
Clive if you set about exploring a glass a water I'm pretty you would find some new insight into it, so stop apologizing! I dinna care!
@marcse7en 3 жыл бұрын
He'd REVERSE ENGINEER a glass of water and end up with two HYDROGEN and an OXYGEN! 👍😂
@spehropefhany 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcse7en Ideally, combine a few of those with a couple carbons and get some ethanol and leftover O2
@LeviathanRX 3 жыл бұрын
@@spehropefhany Then run it thru a distiller all while making a soy face for clout
@tncorgi92 2 жыл бұрын
You have to be careful with dihydrogen monoxide though.
@brandondegraaf 3 жыл бұрын
Ozone Whoosher 3000. The perfect gift for that friend who just doesn't get it.
@SedatedByLife 3 жыл бұрын
HA! I had one just like that years ago that was larger. It was branded "Road Master". Had 120v/12v adapters. I liked it lol
@fatmanbravo6 3 жыл бұрын
I bought one of these for my mum to help with her allergies... Now i know why she said it didnt work. I felt stupid but now i just feel cheated... You seem to like your ionisers Clive, could you (or someone else) reccomend a genuine one?
@kapegede 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's for a camper van or something like this with a cigarette adaptor. So you get warned, when your car battery gets low.
@matthewbeasley7765 3 жыл бұрын
There is a defect in the design of the voltage selection. If the switch is open circuit on transition, the output will go to 12V minus the light saturation voltage of the transistor. They should have left the 10.45V zener connected to the transistor base. When the circuit is on low, the 10.45V zener would do nothing. As soon as contact is broken, it would switch to high, instead of an unregulated state in between the two zeners.
@rolfs2165 3 жыл бұрын
They're probably expecting you to only use the switch when the unit's turned off, so that wouldn't be a problem.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
It seems to be a make before break switch.
@danielpirone8028 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was built to be used in cars / RV - thus the 12v supply and odd voltage regulator/ low detector?
@jkobain 3 жыл бұрын
Feels like it.
@mySeaPrince_ 3 жыл бұрын
🎁🎁🎁🎁🎁🎁 First comment I found that ... in my view has got it.... I don't know why ... but for the last 30 years ... people with RVs, Lorries and some boats buy Ionisers in seemingly large quantities. I
@petergamache5368 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like it wants to be a cablemodem. Also ... the 10 volt input voltage warning makes sense if you consider this in an automotive application - where someone might leave it on long enough to drain the battery.
@starfox6335 3 жыл бұрын
In the late 90's I purchased a Pollonex branded 12vdc car air cleaner Ionizer unit and immediately took it apart to see if it truly had a purple discharge, indeed it did on 6 pins aimed through metal holes and a odd looking small fan to push it through.
@dashcamandy2242 3 жыл бұрын
My mother and grandmother both had 110VAC Pollenex ionizers they bought from Home Shopping Network around that time period. Worked pretty well, in fact; both of them were parrot owners and the ionizers certainly kept the bird dander as close to the ionizer as possible. They used them until long after the filters were discontinued. I think Mom finally donated hers to Goodwill a few months ago, still worked, the fan bearings sounded a little dry though.
@tubastuff 3 жыл бұрын
Clive, do you own an EHT probe for your meter? It might be interesting to see what the HVDC comes out to be.
@willi-fg2dh 3 жыл бұрын
the "low v" might be a warning that you have plugged it into the wrong wall-wart . . . i have several with the same jack but different voltages . . . lack of standards!
@joshfriesen9401 3 жыл бұрын
Clive: these are very sharp spikes (Stabs his finger with one of then to prove his point) Clive is also like no other KZfaqr I’ve come across.
@colinpye1430 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget ElectroBOOM!
@alanangelfire1217 3 жыл бұрын
I have two of these in the house. They work well, only downside is it's a bit difficult to clean the spikes. I didn't realize what the packet of vanilla scented balls was for, until I found the little compartment underneath!
@christianad5358 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is something not mentioned in the video. Can you please check if instead of using the multimeter on DC you use it on AC if it shows voltage in front of the ionizer (ozoner). I suspect the high voltage is as well high frequency.
@christianad5358 2 жыл бұрын
I think this unit it may be emmmting ions on AC, what means it will only show up on the AC mode on the multimeter.
@seanmcgroty2248 3 жыл бұрын
The rings are almost certainly caused by the discharge, especially since the outer two short spikes correspond to discoloration on the inner surface and the inner longer spikes correspond to discoloration on the outer surface. The shorter spikes arc to the inside surface and the longer ones to the outer edge.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
Not so much arcing as the very vigorous and ozone rich ion draught from negative to positive. There's a lot of awesome science going on in these things.
@AlecKristi 3 жыл бұрын
I have a massive "ionic filter" that has removable plates that accumulate dust... Surprisingly low ozone output, can barely smell it at all if I put my nose up to the unit. It does pull a lot of dust out of the air.
@thebrowns5337 3 жыл бұрын
Which one is it?
@AlecKristi 3 жыл бұрын
@@thebrowns5337 ionic pro electrostatic air cleaner
@strehlow 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like the LED board is close to the front plate, but not so close to the negative rail. Since the front plate is connected to the DC ground, there shouldn't be much risk of the HV interacting with the circuitry on the LED board.
@Andrewhedgehogs 2 жыл бұрын
I have a pure mate "ionizer " in my motorhome/ house it really help to get rid of smells...
@AlanJenney 3 жыл бұрын
My HF-100 has the same two outer sharp points, but the centre two had pins soldered to them rather than the larger points in the model illustrated here.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
The puremate has that version too. The pins are actually pushed into punched indents in the strip and appear to be changeable.
@d.t.4523 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure there's just the right amount of ozone in your house! I'm glad I don't have to work at that factory's Final Test bench. 👍
@kaboooom2000uk 3 жыл бұрын
I have this exact same unit. :) the front ally plate gets seriously corroded I leave mine on all the time.
@jbenekeorr 3 жыл бұрын
I have this unit and did use it in my bedroom but put it away as it was giving me a sore throat each morning. Glad I didn’t continue with it! The vanilla granules were hideous
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
It's too powerful for a bedroom. Bets used for a whole house.
@hinspect 3 жыл бұрын
I used to make negative ion generators using vintage (now) car ignition coils. A multivibrator for the incomming low voltage to power the coil, a high voltage diode and a sharp needle for the output ionizer. Crude but they worked. Thanks for the interesting video!
@AdamWebb1982 3 жыл бұрын
Dunno if it’s been said, but this unit can be used in a car with a cigarette lighter plug, hence the low volts warning light. I got sucked into buying one of these and it made me sick, head aches, sore throats and dizziness.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
These units seem to put out a little too much ozone in confined spaces. Ideal for large spaces or intermittent use (maybe a plug in timer?)
@WeBeGood06 3 жыл бұрын
looks like the aluminum is excessively corroding around the ozone generator points, turning to aluminum powder. Or, maybe the aluminum was anodized, and the coating is leaving around the points allowing the aluminum to corrode.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
Aluminium is considered a good choice for ozone use as it creates a very strongly protective oxide layer.
@hullinstruments 3 жыл бұрын
Thank God! An ozone video! We’ve really been running low on ozone generator information lately. Thank you for coming to the rescue! 😁 In all seriousness. We pretty much love anything you do Clive.....so as long as you’re having fun we don’t give a shit.
@hammerandspannerman1 Жыл бұрын
Hi Clive the marking on the Ally plate could be the result of water jet cutting 🤔
@AlanJenney 3 жыл бұрын
I like that you say it is a whole-house ozone generator, it is described as a vehicle or small room air purifier in the literature. Heaven Fresh also do a much larger unit with several needles, a friend bought one and it creates a ozone-stinky stiff draught, let alone an ionic breeze.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
They're just a bit too fierce. I tried one of these units in my bedroom for two nights and woke up with a sore throat each time. Noble idea, but just a bit overzealous for a single room.
@PushyPawn 3 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see the corona discharge with the lights off maybe. Also could you hold a tissue in front of one, next time, to demonstrate the amount of air flow is generating and what's the voltage across the spikes? The videos are great btw, keep them coming! 👍
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
It's not terribly exciting. Imagine a black picture with four purple dots.
@henrikoldcorn 3 жыл бұрын
I have a heaven fresh one at work in a production environment. It supposedly removed dust from the air, but I wasn’t too confident and unplugged it. Never noticed having a hoarse throat, though.
@voidtschuss 3 жыл бұрын
it is not removing much visible dust, it is not it's purpose.
@veraxis9961 3 жыл бұрын
I once had one of these units under the Heaven Fresh name. I wrote a review showing the internals and explaining why it was an ozone generator and why users should be careful about using it in small rooms. Someone, presumably the seller, left a long reply explaining why I was totally wrong and was not an ozone generator. For some reason they are squeamish about calling this product an ozone generator and insist that it is a ionizer instead.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
At some point in time the contrarians have spread rumours that ozone at any level is bad, while conveniently ignoring the fact it's an essential component of natural outdoor air.
@DarrellLarose 3 жыл бұрын
You need to dangle a bit of yarn, tissue vape vapours to show air movement.
@johnsenchak1428 3 жыл бұрын
PCB-3 is like a Comparator circuit where things are switched high and low
@sparkyprojects 3 жыл бұрын
The first transistor in the lv circuit is for sensing, the second is to invert the signal i believe. Either used in case you use the wrong supply, or battery pack operation is my guess. I don't suppose shorting the needles to the plate would load the circuit enough
@qubex 3 жыл бұрын
The “low voltage” indicator somehow makes me think that the manufacturer is concerned about unreliable power supply… perhaps in a vehicle? Or in parts of the world where it’s common to draw power from a on-site generator? Perhaps they also market an identical device to be powered off USB power supplies?
@paulramplin 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I own one and it came with a 12v power cable for fitting it in a vehicle. So I presume it would be looking at sub 12v for low power light.
@johnpayne3953 3 жыл бұрын
The low voltage light is for when it’s used in a car to warn you of an impending flat battery although a cutout would be better, I have 1 and checking with a multi meter in front and got a high reading.
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
I agree that's what it is for, but if your car battery is at 10.4V, it is already flat.
@johnpayne3953 3 жыл бұрын
@@stargazer7644 true it the surface reading is 10.4 it is but it’s designed by a prat otherwise it would have a cutout set much higher.
@dfgdfg_ 3 жыл бұрын
Can you notice ozone in the air? What is the benefit?
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
Only as a freshness. If you can smell it then there's too much.
@monolofiminimal 3 жыл бұрын
I had something similar to this but it was for a car. Even the circuitry and design looks similar but the unit was way smaller. It didn't have that thing on the bottom for the scented beads though. I think it must have been from around the early 2000's. It was really good but I think I overused it and consequently it stopped working - I still have it somewhere, most likely disassembled heh.
@Gameboygenius 3 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the the low V LED is meant to turn on if you connect it to a non-factory power supply that's
@richardahlquist5839 Жыл бұрын
Dunno if you will see this Clive but there is a industrial air ionizer Brand IWAVE Manufacturer Part Number 4900-40 Meant to be used in up to a 6 ton air handler... eeesh
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
The iWave units were heavily pushed during the pandemic. The carbon fibre wiping system is neat. I think that might be the brand currently involved in litigation with "scientists" about their claims.
@danielmerrison4838 3 жыл бұрын
It's nearly 2am and I'm catching up on the backlog of your videos - I want you to know you're a part of my inspiration to go self employed fixing electronics. I'm curious to know how you go about your reverse engineering, and also what brand your wall tray racks are.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
Raaco wall racks. The best way to learn reverse engineering is to start doing it.
@Mike-H_UK 3 жыл бұрын
Put it back together and give it to Ralphy as a birthday present!
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
He may be getting one for the bothy.
@Mike-H_UK 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigclivedotcom In that case he may need some sort of power source. I await your carefully considered advice......
@gcewing 3 жыл бұрын
If the aroma is strong enough to overcome the ozone, it's probably using up all the ozone, thereby defeating the purpose.
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
That's not how it works.
@piconano 3 жыл бұрын
Why are the needles set that way? A lot of trial and error went into perfecting the size of the holes and distances?
@blueredbrick 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive, maybe do a poll someday about the ability to smell ozone ? Appently some ppl cannot smell it
@derfpa1 3 жыл бұрын
I have the bigger model of one if these that I bought about 10 years ago. We keep it in the laundry room to give the clothes the fresh outside dried scent.
@orac229 3 жыл бұрын
Uncle Clive can you tell us the story of what happened to the previous models Azone Bzone Czone etc and when can we expect the upgraded Pzone generator?
@wimwiddershins 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the low voltage thing is for running off... battery power??? Weird. What do the designers expect a consumer to do when that light comes on?
@benbaselet2026 3 жыл бұрын
Stop using the 6V PSU they just found from the attic and go buy a proper one instead? :-)
@tappel0 3 жыл бұрын
That would make sense otherwise, but if I was powering something like this from a battery, I would very much like it to automatically cut out power in case of gross undervoltage instead of keeping on doing its thing and lighting a red LED. The LED does seem really pointless.
@AndyFletcherX31 3 жыл бұрын
All the best products have a light which comes on when the power fails!
@AnWe79 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, they come with a car cigarette lighter adapter. I guess the LED is just to tell you it's succesfully knackered your battery though, as it comes on at such low voltage. Should maybe be relabeled as a "get the jumper cables" indicator? It'd probably take a long long time to drain a starter battery with this thing though, and if you did, the rubber in the cabin might have seen better days.
@AJRestoration 3 жыл бұрын
Clive: "so here's what's inside of it" Me: "damn that's pretty much empty" I was expecting ALOT more electronics and fancy stuffs.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
The fancy bit is under the potting. That's coming soon.
@AJRestoration 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigclivedotcom I cant wait! I love these teardowns. I am reverse engeneering electronic ignition module for small engines with what I have learned from your videos haha.
@_MasterLink_ 3 жыл бұрын
This thing looks so much like the Sega 32X. I don't know why, but it's reminding me of the 32X.
@TheFreak111 3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious though why the 2 outside pointy v's are a bit further back, but the inner ones aren't. The outer ones would make a reasonable airflow but the inside ones seem weird to me, they even protrude a bit through the hole I think.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
I think the longer ones are an attempt to project out more ions. But the plate in the vicinity defeats that.
@DiHandley 3 жыл бұрын
I was always of the understanding that ozone is a carcinogen. Is that correct Clive?
@agenericaccount3935 3 жыл бұрын
Oh lord I thought that the thumbnail accurately represented the actual labelling. I would pay for an actual Ozone Whoosher 3000 to put on the shelf.
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
It is totally an Ozone Whoosher 3000 in disguise.
@lvstofly 3 жыл бұрын
Fake vanilla sometimes comes from beaver glands, a mixture of urea and scat! Tasty!
@jsl4228 2 жыл бұрын
Big Clive, is there an ioniser currently on the market that you would recommend? I want to get some for my house, but there aren't many options on the market and I'm always wary about eBay / Ali stuff etc.
@bigclivedotcom 2 жыл бұрын
I can't recommend any specific type as the quality varies wildly.
@LariFariYoutube 3 жыл бұрын
I think, the low voltage indicator would make sence, when this think is used in a vehicle.... To alarm you, when the battery gets low...