Inside A Recreational Sportsbook | Circles Off Presented by Pinnacle Ep

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Rob Pizzola and Johnny from betstamp are joined by legendary Twitter troll, The Shipper, also known as @ShipTheJustice. The guys discuss recreational sportsbook models, identifying sharps, limiting players, twitter beefs, and transitioning to a professional bettor!
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SHOW INDEX...
00:00 Intro
05:11 Ship The Justice
08:37 Inside a Recreational Sportsbook
16:46 Semi-Sharp & Education
28:48 Limiting Players & Identifying Sharps
36:18 CLV
41:10 Trading Software
48:04 Responsible Gaming
53:46 Gambling Twitter Beefs
1:09:18 Shipper’s Betting
1:17:34 Plus EV / Negative EV
1:27:25 Advice to Younger Self
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Пікірлер: 47

@Trepur349 9 ай бұрын

Best episode yet

@Noah10767 9 ай бұрын

Great episode boys, one of the best ones to date. Amongst rec or "semi-professional" bettors I think there is a mix of both camps described by Rob and Johnny around 20:00 to 23:00, and I agree the younger generations skews closer to the big bomb banger/hype/tail picks. On a side note, your boy Simon Hunter said he'll often haggle with different books to get prices and lines not available to the public - how accurate is this?

@BrandonZatopek-om3uk 9 ай бұрын

There have been a lot of really good episodes, but I thoroughly enjoyed this one. The back and forth is incredible.

@WingfanSports 4 ай бұрын

I top down because I am self aware enough to know I can't cap better than the books with a fullt time job and 2 kids. There may be a time I can originate but people underestimate how much skill you can bring to top down. I have seen a very good ROI so far I think because I use my own tool and don't buy an odds screen. My data is unique and I am constantly enhancing my process and tracking my data. Everyone has their own path and mine right now is to try and be the best top down player out there.

@insight7013 9 ай бұрын

Great episodes boyz, the entertainment and educational value both +EV

@Sean-zo6hu 9 ай бұрын

neck and neck with the AD episode for #1

@daddypoker23 9 ай бұрын

This was probably your best episode

@DJS8 9 ай бұрын

Outstanding episode!!

@TheeDegenBoosts 9 ай бұрын

such a good episode

@russellpattison3776 9 ай бұрын

Great pod, credit to the Shipper for being so upfront and giving a great insight to the inner workings of a big corporate bookmaker

@pascal30 Ай бұрын

its great that MODO is finally back in the SHL recently after many years at the second tier level :) top team

@ecolt0 9 ай бұрын

Trenhaile, Berryhorse, Shipper.

@stuartdoyle4041 9 ай бұрын

The conversation at 1.07 is kinda interesting. Have worked at books and have seen this approach where they use sharp players to move lines off that are betting very small. If a sharp guy spots this they absolutely should be sending in a new account and using their $8-10 bets to move line in their favour for the full limit account to get better EV off!

@747Approach 8 ай бұрын

Exactly. Makes no sense at all. Bet the "wrong side for 50" and have another account coming in after. These guys are obviously brilliant. Something doesn't add up

@jimdarden4686 7 ай бұрын

one of the best sports betting pods ever keep them coming

@ecolt0 9 ай бұрын

Incredible episode

@oldterry9476 9 ай бұрын

unfortunately i don't have to worry about being banned. you should set up a sportsbetting school modeled on the poker schools

@markreynolds6220 9 ай бұрын

ok....? and how would this help

@747Approach 8 ай бұрын

New viewer. Great content. Rob, you're a winning bettor, Pinnacle will take all your action, why the need to scour for soft books and deal with all the limiting/banning/time waste?

@CirclesOffHQ 8 ай бұрын

Rob is a big proponent of being price sensitive and looking for the best possible price. Pinnacle is a great book with low margins but they will not have the best price in market 100% of the time.

@alexl1340 9 ай бұрын

Great Episode!

@notkevinfinnerty4959 3 ай бұрын

@ 15:21 shipper said the optimal way to run a rec book is to limit people/call cust. Service em', because they get the data for free, watching a circa line move for instance, but the director from Circa sports book was on with G stack george and said they would move lines just to watch the board light up and mess with the rec books. So it's not the optimal way.

@CirclesOffHQ 3 ай бұрын

Great catch

@oviefan100 9 ай бұрын

Books in Ontario are required by the AGCO to spend a certain % of their marketing $$s on responsible gaming. They're forced to make that PR push.

@michaelp5511 8 ай бұрын

Great podcast. Love seeing Pizzola on Mayos show.

@CirclesOffHQ 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for listening

@supercoolbenwag 5 ай бұрын

Is he still working for these books? Because it seemed like he was doing some incredible mental gymnastics around the topic of responsible gaming and limiting winners.

@Mvpjugg 3 ай бұрын

This was a good one 🔥

@LEMONADE4501 9 ай бұрын

What ever happened to the studio with the black foam?

@CirclesOffHQ 8 ай бұрын

It is a thing of the past. Gotta evolve!

@cbranchen174 9 ай бұрын

I wish you guys talked more about limiting. Really only hit the tip of the iceberg. Also why did he say he doesn’t know how much he can talk about this? Did he sign an NDA or something??

@cbranchen174 9 ай бұрын

Should have made the 80% of the show on the limiting aspect…please bring on more rec book people on as much as you can

@markreynolds6220 9 ай бұрын

but wht more is ther to say....like shippy said if yor accounts up at the end of 6mnths ....yor out no matter how u try the spoof thm

@oldterry9476 9 ай бұрын

information is only valuable if you have more than someone else

@Raiseren 9 ай бұрын

Most surprising part of this episode is that rob is in his mid thirties

@CirclesOffHQ 7 ай бұрын

LOL!!!

@AG-ok9hk 9 ай бұрын

EXCELLENT episode/guest! in the future, looking for either diggs and/or favre444, and also a ufc centered episode.

@ecolt0 9 ай бұрын

need a UFC episode badly

@markreynolds6220 9 ай бұрын

end of the day if thers no rec bks with ev lines to pik off then thers no easy money....who is beating the sharp books or exchanges ?

@anpeck464 Ай бұрын

48:20

@LemonyBrisket 2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure about the older generations but I dont think these tiktok tablet kids donating to NPC tiktok Streams are gunna have the intellectual capability to originate so the future will be top down for a bit .........Until there's too much top down and the books start using biometrics( facial Recogniton) software which will stop all syndicates and partnerships due to the actual person with name on account having to physically be in the room to log in. (A company in the uk has already tried to promote biometrics to prevent arbitrage.) My prediction tiktok kids turn 18 and there's an influx in top down and then biometrics comes in and originating is the only option. Ooooohhhh!! top down soooo good!! Ride it like a top down boy!! Ride it like a top down boy!!