Inside an Electric Car Repair Shop

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In this episode, Alex from QCCharge explains the services they offer for repair options that Tesla does not, such as repairing battery packs instead of replacing them. In addition, he walks us through some of the custom tools they use for repairing them and shows the inner workings of a Tesla electric motor. Furthermore, he explains how they rebuild Tesla motors and improvement with drain equipment to prevent premature failure.
How much does it cost to replace a Tesla battery vs repairing them? Can you rebuild electric car motors? Get the answers in this video!
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@darrelstickler
@darrelstickler 11 ай бұрын
This was excellent. Someone that calmly knows their stuff, and speaks carefully and diplomatically with no exaggeration.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue 6 ай бұрын
wait wait wait hold on a sec you thought Tesla made cars that can be fixed oh you silly french people and your castles🤣🤣🤣
@Fleshybitz
@Fleshybitz 5 ай бұрын
This was like talking to a real person that knew how to actually fix a battery pack instead of the you need to replace the whole thing story that most people think will happen. I now have 3 EV, would never go back to ICE.
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
@SaraMorgan-ym6ue 5 ай бұрын
@@Fleshybitz have you put a nuclear reactor in the back to recharge your battery pack yet?
@Fleshybitz
@Fleshybitz 5 ай бұрын
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue I ordered one on Amazon. 😁
@videobrownsville
@videobrownsville 5 ай бұрын
A real engineer
@dave9351
@dave9351 4 ай бұрын
Retired mechanic/Fleet Manager and I give you major props for this in-depth look at the "guts" of a Tesla S and some of the inherent flaws AND your enhancements to avoid those problems. Excellent video sir. Elon, are you watching Liked, Subscribed
@CODY1989...........
@CODY1989........... 4 ай бұрын
Elon cares about one thing $$$
@bradallen1832
@bradallen1832 11 ай бұрын
Super awesome. That shop did a great job getting up to speed and making business on that. I figured it was only a matter of time a no-nonsense electric repair shop became available.
@5400bowen
@5400bowen 3 ай бұрын
Your only error was “a” no-nonsense shop. The phrase is no non-sense shops..gotta put that s on the end of shop! HIH-HEEEEE!
@cratecruncher4974
@cratecruncher4974 6 ай бұрын
It surprises me independent shops can work on any of this. The OEMs work very hard to keep them out of their service business. For example, the newest iteration of Tesla battery packs are filled with expanded pink foam to prevent repair or replacement of individual cells.
@45graham45
@45graham45 5 ай бұрын
Yeah. When companies like Tesla spout the environmental credentials of their cars & then make them impossible 6o repair, they are such hipocrites.
@shanerorko8076
@shanerorko8076 5 ай бұрын
This is what will kill the EV industry. There needs to be a standardised battery system, like A packs for small cars B packs for medium ect ect. The packs also need to have standardised bricks inside so repair centres can fix them, just how lead acid batteries get replaced and recycled. Corporate greed is killing the EV lols. Also they catch fire too.
@vollkerball1
@vollkerball1 5 ай бұрын
what?!
@Chastity_Belt
@Chastity_Belt 5 ай бұрын
That foam is for fire protection as far as I know.
@tellyboy17
@tellyboy17 5 ай бұрын
@@Chastity_Belt Maybe the fact that it makes the pack unservicable is just an added bonus.
@rickhubner
@rickhubner 11 ай бұрын
Alex was impressive. I'm not much of a KZfaq commenter, but Alex was knowledgable and succinct. A big Thank You !
@motorbiscuit
@motorbiscuit 11 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! Thanks for stopping by!
@ljprep6250
@ljprep6250 11 ай бұрын
I spent 36 years (half my life) in Vista, CA, so it's great to see new businesses thriving there. Great show there, Alex. You appear to be quite well informed and happy to be working on EVs. Continued luck to you!
@rpsmith
@rpsmith 11 ай бұрын
Only government "thrives" in California!
@markriley24
@markriley24 10 ай бұрын
I’m wondering if these guys have patents on their modifications. Seems like a good idea anyway.
@kerrymarris4260
@kerrymarris4260 5 ай бұрын
Right on, pat. that stuff it's all yours. You have more knowledge about evs than everything else I've heard combined. WOW. I've been lived in Vista and Ocean side...my brother worked at a nuclear plant all this life, and this guy would impress him electronic discussion.
@grindz145
@grindz145 6 ай бұрын
Shops like this are so important! Awesome job❤
@johnfitbyfaithnet
@johnfitbyfaithnet 3 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@skyepilotte11
@skyepilotte11 5 ай бұрын
Alex is extremely well versed in these EVs...opens your eyes about repairs on these. Well done.
@cohall46
@cohall46 11 ай бұрын
Alex is very impressive with his knowledge of and presentation of the EV components. Very, very informative and interesting. Thanks for sharing.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 11 ай бұрын
it goes to show that ev battery's can last a long time if you maintain them by replacing the bad cell instead of the whole pack simple
@mattnewman12345
@mattnewman12345 11 ай бұрын
He says over 200k miles? He’s acknowledging the car lasted less than infinity or maybe infinity? No he’s gaslighting idiots
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 7 ай бұрын
​​@@raven4k998 Isn't your profile picture that of a Hispanic soap opera actress (from the Charlie Flow TV series)?
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 7 ай бұрын
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 you have never seen a show called dark matter she was one of the main character's in that show the bad ass captain you can't kill they spaced her she got back in the ship and killed them all and she has a nice ass to boot
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 7 ай бұрын
@@raven4k998 Thanks. I'll look up the show on Google.
@Alientraveler003
@Alientraveler003 11 ай бұрын
For 5000 a single repair I’m going to learn the electric motor and battery tech been on it for a few but now I’ll just learn all of it thank you for your time in making this
@motorbiscuit
@motorbiscuit 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@5400bowen
@5400bowen 4 ай бұрын
After 200,000 miles of service free, repair free driving. They are rarely in the shop. No oil changes, no cooling system repairs, no transmission fluid…..
@k4everut
@k4everut 3 ай бұрын
​@5400bowen How often do you think coolant system repairs are happening? I had a 2001 Chevy Tahoe that I bought brand new and put over 340,000 miles on in 17 years of ownership. I had a coolant leak from a hole in a hose that cost me less than $10 to repair. I had to replace the radiator once and it cost me $150. I also did two coolant flushes that were under $30. I did my own oil changes (the easiest darn thing to do on a car besides replace the engine air filter) for $40 a pop and the oil lasted 7500 miles, so about 50 oil changes. Over the entire 340,000 miles, the only major drive train related repairs was replacing a blown head gasket at 290,000 miles in my friend's home garage for $200, a transmission rebuild at 320,000 miles for $1300 at a transmission shop, 2 fuel filter replacements for $20 a piece, 2 alternator replacements at $80 a piece, and around 40 air filter replacements at $20 a piece. That sounds like a lot, but when you add the total cost, over 340,0000, (10+150+2000+200+1300+40+160+800=4660) it cost me less than $5000 to maintain a 5.3L V8 engine. It cost that much just to repair one drive motor on a Tesla Model S at less than 200,000 and it cost $10,000 to replace a Tesla Model S battery at the same interval. You're not saving any money at all on repairs for an EV. You're going to spend almost 3 times as much.
@5400bowen
@5400bowen 3 ай бұрын
@@k4everut who ever talked about cost and convenience? In 340,000 miles that’s at least 11 coolant changes. Times 80,000,000 cars. Times all the cars since 1910-1920. You do know how to do arithmetic? My point is the poisonous chemicals and pollution on top of the cost, not your personal DIY cost and convenience. How much did it cost for all the oils changes and coolant changes? How much toxic fluids where used. 80 million is just the US. Learn reading comprehension and arithmetic. Now….no oil changes and no coolant changes, virtually no trani fluid…electric. Most people don’t do there own repairs. And you aren’t considering diesel trucks. My 2006 Ford F250 diesel uses 15 quarts of oil every 3-5 thousand miles. As a matter of fact, me being an ex auto machinist, you aren’t considering most of the drawbacks of internal combustion engines. And there are hundreds. Ever think about what it takes to move and process all that gas, diesel, motor oil, trani fluid, and the poison it takes to make and transport coolant? Where does it all go? To Jupiter? And what if you had not had to do that work, are you saying the average person would not enjoy not having ANY maintenance for about 200,000 miles as on electric cars? You really would sit down with people and tell them that is meaningless? Tell that to my daughter in law, and listen while she laughs hysterically in your face.
@5400bowen
@5400bowen 3 ай бұрын
@@k4everut oh…and 200,000 miles on a motor. You are delirious. I just watched a video about a 1901 original electric car. An unknown brand…1901…the original motor was still working…let me repeat for the thickheaded, THE ORIGINAL 1901ELECTRIC MOTOR WAS STILL WORKONG. 200,000 miles you say, Mr automotive expert? And you did not get a “transmission rebuild” for $1,300, they fixed it, they did NOT rebuild it, $1,300 would not cover the parts alone for a rebuild on that trani. I worked in and automotive machine shop. You left out all the real facts.
@japfourme381
@japfourme381 10 ай бұрын
Excellent portrayal of the pros and cons of owning an electric vehicle Alex, thank you!!
@denverferrell5217
@denverferrell5217 10 ай бұрын
So why is the comments option blocked
@davidmccall2897
@davidmccall2897 5 ай бұрын
More full anyone owning an EV
@ProXcaliber
@ProXcaliber 4 ай бұрын
@@debbiekonkin5768 Where is this happening? And how do we know for a fact that it's the EVs causing it? To my knowledge, blackouts can happen for a multitude or reasons, same as brown outs.
@ProXcaliber
@ProXcaliber 4 ай бұрын
@@debbiekonkin5768 Well, like I said, where is this happening, and are we sure it's the EVs causing it. But seeing as you could not give me information for either, I'm going to assume it's a lie or just standard EV hate. By the way, an EV that uses a standard 110v outlet at 12A only consumes about 1,300 watts of power. This is enough to recover a bit over 10 kWh's overnight, which is a well over 50 miles, per day, which is also more than what most people drive every day.
@ProXcaliber
@ProXcaliber 4 ай бұрын
​@@debbiekonkin5768 “1300 watts at 120 volts x 14-16 hours NON stop might get you 10kwh, it will take a week to fully charge at 120 volts, NON stop.” This is assuming that all EVs have the same battery capacity and charging speed, as well as the battery being completely empty every time you charge, which is not the case at all. Assuming a person only charges their EV to 80% for daily use as recommended by most manufacturers, and considering the average person only drives around 37 miles per day. A level 1 charger (110v outlet at 1.4kW) will cover their needs and then some with overnight charging. This person would only have to resort to public chargers or a faster charger if they were going on a road trip. “UK, California Charge rage, California, brown out warnings, do not use your AC and do not plug in your EVs.” This implies that EV charging is causing power shortages and grid instability, which isn't supported by any of your claims, and is limited to one state in an entire country. EV owners can charge their vehicles during off-peak hours when electricity demand is low and prices are cheap, or they can use smart charging technologies that adjust the charging rate based on grid conditions and user preferences. Some EVs can also provide backup power to the grid or to the home in case of emergencies, such as the Ford F-150 Lightning or the Tesla Powerwall. The real reason this happens is much more complex and is due to a number of reasons. Some of them being extreme and widespread heat waves, which increase demand for air conditioning and reduce the supply of hydroelectric power due to drought conditions. Inadequate planning and forecasting for the peak demand periods and the transition from solar to natural gas generation in the evening hours, when the sun set and people return home. Market failures and inefficiencies that allowed some power plants to export electricity to other states when it was needed in California, or prevented them from importing electricity from neighboring regions due to transmission constraints or price differences. “It now cost more in the UK for a road trip using an EV vs a gas or diesel car.” This claim is based on a flawed comparison that ignores the differences in fuel costs, maintenance costs, and tax incentives between EVs and gas or diesel cars. The UK Department of Transportation says the average cost of driving an EV in the UK was 3.3 pence per mile, compared to 9.9 pence per mile for a petrol car and 8.9 pence per mile for a diesel car. EV owners can also benefit from various tax incentives, such as lower vehicle excise duty. “In the UK, you now have to pay an annual fee/permit if you want a charger installed at your home.” The annual fee/permit that you are claiming refers to a new regulation that requires local authorities to issue permits for the installation of on-street EV charging points, not for home charging points. This regulation is intended to ensure that on-street EV charging points are safe, accessible, and complaint with the national standards. It does not affect EV owners who want to install charging points at their homes, as they do not need to apply for permits or pay fees for that. Furthermore, EV owners who want to install home charging points can receive grants from the government that cover up to 75% of the installation cost, up to a maximum of £350. “Everyone who doesn’t use an EV now has to pay higher electricity costs.” This claim is false, as there is no evidence that EV charging is increasing electricity prices for non-EV users. For example, a study by the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy found that if 40% of light-duty vehicles in the US were electrified by 2035, the average electricity price would decrease by 0.5% for all customers, saving $17 billion per year. Another study by the International Council on Clean Transportation found that if 40% of new car sales in Europe were electric by 2030, the average electricity price would decrease by 1.3% for all customers, saving €13 billion per year.
@HenryParkes-kp1yc
@HenryParkes-kp1yc 9 ай бұрын
A really great video that answered a lot of my questions about the technology - Alex knows his stuff!
@waiting4aliens
@waiting4aliens 11 ай бұрын
These repair cost numbers sort of scare me off. I don't know if the fuel savings is sufficient to vest a repair fund. And finding an honest EV shop is more difficult than finding knowledgeable ICE service stations.Very well presented video, thank you. Patent the fixtures before Elon does.
@svenjorgensenn8418
@svenjorgensenn8418 11 ай бұрын
They added taxes to electric in 2025. Soon charging at home will have the same cost as buying gas. Government needs its pound of flesh.
@mbabcock111
@mbabcock111 11 ай бұрын
Comparatively, you will spend similar amounts for drivetrain failures in an ICE vehicle. Engine swaps range from $4,000 - $12,000 depending on vehicle and damage. Labor and parts add up on all the other systems that will fail too. Battery costs are dropping which is something ICE can't claim. Eventually, the long term, cumulative purchase of your gas will amount to buying a battery pack. EV failure rate is up to 35% lower per 1,000 vehicles according to the latest ADAC report.
@Uriah625
@Uriah625 9 ай бұрын
@@mbabcock111it should also be mentioned, if you replace the engine or transmission in your car it’s the same as before. On the other hand, that pack replacement is nearly tripling the range of the vehicle! He didn’t mention it, but the car will have increased acceleration and the battery will run cooler increasing it’s life. I guess in a sense replacing a pack is like upgrading your engine to get much better fuel mileage while adding a small turbo and using better hardware.
@mbabcock111
@mbabcock111 9 ай бұрын
@@Uriah625 good points. Likely a module fails but not an entire pack. That seems to be the process currently.
@mat1500
@mat1500 6 ай бұрын
Haha, and you're still burning coal! Haha!
@nev7711
@nev7711 11 ай бұрын
I think Mr Musk needs to get Alex onboard. When he said that, they place drains in the motor after a seal is replaced to facilitate any ingress of coolant into the motor at a later date, just shows he knows his stuff. If only others could have the same enthusiasm to their trade as this man.
@tedtenny
@tedtenny 11 ай бұрын
Kudos to the young man in a pioneering industry. Hopefully he patents these special tools.
@lynxstarautomotive208
@lynxstarautomotive208 11 ай бұрын
All of us mechanics have had to create our own tools. Part of the trade.
@garystewart8349
@garystewart8349 4 ай бұрын
Once a battery module is worn out, the others are soon to follow. A new module mixed in with the whole bed, can cause issues as well. Its safer to replace the entire battery modual bed.
@IvanG817
@IvanG817 2 ай бұрын
I’m guessing you have an electrical engineering background
@thepetrollist
@thepetrollist 6 ай бұрын
This is the first in depth EV tech talk that has ever kept my attention. Watched the entire thing! I want an EV even less now than before I watched… but the video was great.
@BillAnt
@BillAnt 5 ай бұрын
Every new technology takes time to mature. Currently EV's are for well off people owning a home for charging overnight (not for those who live in apartments and condos) and can actually afford higher costs EV's compared to regular cars. Just like you can pick up a $200 smartphone that works compared to over $500 10 years ago, same will happen with EV's.
@evanthompson8925
@evanthompson8925 5 ай бұрын
@@BillAnt "I want an EV even less now than before I watched." Totally agree
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 16 күн бұрын
@@BillAnt Back in 2010 when I bought a HTC Touch Pro 2, they were $850 for a proper real smartphone that can run internet services apps and HSDPA 3G connection.
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 16 күн бұрын
@@evanthompson8925 Couldn't agree less, this is the worst case scenario for EVs. It's highly unlikely and will only get better with more modern EVs. Very comforting.
@jimparr01Utube
@jimparr01Utube 11 ай бұрын
Oh GREAT! Glad to see folks like this shop looking at practical and value-added ways to serve the EV industry. Reckon we are gonna need a lot more of them very shortly.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 11 ай бұрын
Worry not, the industry will grow as demand for it increases. Just as repair garages did 120+ years ago, when the motor car first appeared......
@Bluenose7
@Bluenose7 11 ай бұрын
Yeah worry not indeed, but what about the horrendous insurance premiums and equally horrific depreciation! If you’re wealthy enough you may be able to absorb the costs of running an EV but if you’re a blue collar worker with limited funds to spend on transport you’ll be out of luck and resigned to push bike’s for your transport requirements. The push for EV’s has nothing to do with climate control, it’s about control full stop where only the wealthy elites will have access to personal transport, the rest of us will have to suck it up if these clowns get their way. So yeah, no need to worry!!!……
@jimparr01Utube
@jimparr01Utube 11 ай бұрын
@@Bluenose7 Well Sir, I think you may be way too pessimistic about so many things you mention. Tesla already has its own vehicle insurance company to specifically insure Tesla cars. It drastically alters premiums according to vehicle/driver behavior that they monitor all the time. The buy price of a quality EV is still rather high, but dropping precipitously in just one year due to tech and manufacturing advancements. There are many EV's already that sell at lower cost than comparable ICE cars due to Government rebate incentives initially but such support to encourage EV adoption by the public will not be required for much longer. The annual depreciation on a quality EV is VERY LOW. Wealthy elites? Oh what nonsense. Moving to Global mobile electrification is highly beneficial. Because over a million people will then NOT die each year from diseases caused by ingestion of particulate emissions. Climate change will likely not be halted by removing ICE power plants over time, but it will certainly arrest many of the weather extremes and also have a major impact on general health and wellbeing of most people globally. The rapid upsurge in local power generation (typically wind & solar + storage for 24/7 energy access) will almost certainly become an economical way to bring nearly free energy to remote and struggling communities - particularly in African nations.
@markrainford1219
@markrainford1219 11 ай бұрын
@@jimparr01Utube lol
@fifthward1983
@fifthward1983 10 ай бұрын
​@@Bluenose7 100 %correct, forced on us all, designed to fail to get us out of private auto ownership to subscription based ownership, which is a car loan that never. Ends
@paulcochrane6268
@paulcochrane6268 6 ай бұрын
Outstanding, I saw this channel for the first time and have nothing but high praise for this type of repair work to bring costs down to something more manageable! This begins to break down the barriers that cause the EV market to repel prospective customers because of their concerns about long term reliability. BRAVO keep up the good work.
@bodgitscarper5353
@bodgitscarper5353 4 ай бұрын
Question: Is this information included in their manual?. Has this issue ever been resolved in a newer Tesla model
@ericn3221
@ericn3221 2 ай бұрын
Alex is worth his weight in gold. He's the type of tech I would want working on my car. It's also nice to listen to someone that calls a motor a motor and an engine an engine.
@jakobauger6805
@jakobauger6805 Ай бұрын
Gone are the engineers, here come the motoreers.
@AA-69
@AA-69 11 ай бұрын
Alex is my type of mechanic...Freely swooping information and advice . Top man 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@chrisnewbold9876
@chrisnewbold9876 11 ай бұрын
Very refreshing to listen to someone who is really knowledgeable. Great innovation making your own special tools too.
@dh66
@dh66 11 ай бұрын
Hell, any backyard mechanic that has done a moderate amount of mechanical work has probably designed and built their own tools. Nothing new to see here
@ZooTrekkerChronicles
@ZooTrekkerChronicles 5 ай бұрын
You all are doing a great job, and I hope you expand by opening shops throughout the United States!
@robandchristheateam5053
@robandchristheateam5053 4 ай бұрын
An EV ambassador for his engineering skills. Excellent consumer information. Calm unassuming modest presentation.
@ross798
@ross798 11 ай бұрын
Very informative and if I had an electric vehicle with problems, I would think this shop would be able to fix it. However, this video also helped to convince me I don't want an electric vehicle. 5,000 dollars here, 12,000 dollars there, these are not costs most of us can adsorb and even more scary, it's very possible they happen while still making payments on the vehicle purchase. I own a Hyundai, with over 130,000 miles on it. The EV equivalent, well, there really is no equivalent, but maybe the Rivian at more than twice the price. The closest version I can get from Hyundai is smaller and 20,000 more. But at 130,000 miles, I have done most of my own work on the vehicle and the most expensive thing I had done is bought new tires, I just put on the second set. I have done the brakes once, changed oil, gear oil, filters and spark plugs (plus coils, but they had not failed, I just thought I would do it while changing the spark plugs). The vehicle has so far, zero dollars in unexpected repairs. ZERO. Nothing is broken on it. I drove it 1,200 miles for a wedding, which I don't know if it's even possible in a vehicle that might only have a 240 mile range and I did it in one day, adding 8 or more hours to that trip would have been pretty discouraging.
@5400bowen
@5400bowen 4 ай бұрын
This guy went 200,000 miles with no repairs…no maintenance and no breathing gasoline fumes when refilling. Balance that out.
@5400bowen
@5400bowen 4 ай бұрын
1,200 miles is 20 hours. It takes 30 minutes to recharge a Lightning truck to drive 240 miles towing a big load. So 3 stops at 1/2 hour each in twenty hours. Just enough for meal and bathroom breaks. And the charging was WAY cheaper than the gas would have been.
@lilietto1
@lilietto1 3 ай бұрын
Here in France resale valueof a car is extremely affected by having proof of work done on the car from a professional shop like receipts. I was thinking about learning to do this work by myself but I realized i wasn't worth it from an economical perspective. I could do it as an hobby on an old beater just for fun, but I don't care too much about it.
@JP-cy1lw
@JP-cy1lw 2 ай бұрын
There was a video on here that I watched yesterday about the scandalous $61,000 that Hyundai are charging for EV batteries in Canada. These crap milk floats aren't worth repairing; why bother? So many uploads on KZfaq are now confirming that these abominations are throwaway consumer items.
@rexmyers991
@rexmyers991 11 ай бұрын
This video is a real eye opener into the realities of owning an electric vehicle. PHEW!
@ljprep6250
@ljprep6250 11 ай бұрын
You make it sound like every EV suffers from all these problems. LOL Any of the EV-cost-of-ownership videos on YT should ease your mind a whole lot, including the guy who drove his Tesla for a million miles.
@robj2704
@robj2704 11 ай бұрын
@@ljprep6250 ?
@igortokarev2350
@igortokarev2350 11 ай бұрын
@@ljprep6250 And his Teslas "battery pack replaced at least twice, which isn't bad considering 1 million miles. In addition, he's on his eighth electric motor " , so Tesla is not better than regular car in case of reliability or longevity. Other can do better e.g. Toyota hybrids can go over 300K-400K miles without battery or engine change (google 400K Rav4 XSE).
@truantray
@truantray 11 ай бұрын
​@@igortokarev2350indeed, city cabs get 500k on average with a Camry. EVs should be reliable, but the quality and QC at Tesla is awful, and they keep changing designs to make the cars less servicable. Don't buy any car with a GigaPress frame, they cannot service the battery and minor collisions are write offs, which explains why Tesla insurance is so high. EVs will be great when better designs get to market from real car companies.
@tonywoodford9164
@tonywoodford9164 11 ай бұрын
​@@igortokarev2350they are much better in terms of reliability because they are at a fair earlier stage in development than internal combustion engines but allready reaching similar or better reliability
@WallaceRoseVincent
@WallaceRoseVincent 11 ай бұрын
Boy, saying QCCharge is a pioneer is a serious understatement.
@useemehere2
@useemehere2 6 ай бұрын
Wow this is one of the best information video I ever watched regarding Tesla battery replacement 😊
@ninemilliondollars
@ninemilliondollars 11 ай бұрын
Nice to learn the motors use coolant, bearings wear out, stators rust, and more. Haven't seen this info anywhere else. Just nice to know what you're in for if you buy an EV. Thanks.
@Alex_Bessinger
@Alex_Bessinger 10 ай бұрын
Just *this* motor design has these problems. It's important to keep in mind this was Tesla's first try at building a motor from scratch, and suffice it to say they learned from their mistakes on later iterations, which is a very different design and doesn't suffer from any of these failure modes... My own personal daily driver is a 2015 Model S which uses 2nd gen motors. The front one lasted ~375k mi, and the rear is still original at 447k mi and counting. -Alex @ QC Charge
@douglastaylor8039
@douglastaylor8039 10 ай бұрын
And you're not going to hear this information anywhere. They're build for failure.
@lynxstarautomotive208
@lynxstarautomotive208 5 ай бұрын
⁠@@Alex_BessingerYou do understand the EV market is not just Tesla? Plenty of EV’s use bearings, and fluids, and other items that will require service. The latest trend right now is hybrids with 48v systems instead of the traditional 12v systems. 48v allows many mechanical components on ICE engines to be replaced with electric variants instead. Things like cam phasers, brake calipers, eccentric shafts/auxiliary shafts. To name a few. Step outside the cult once in a while.
@Roban554
@Roban554 5 ай бұрын
Maybe you should explore some Norwegian EV channels, and you would discover it sooner.
@ninemilliondollars
@ninemilliondollars 5 ай бұрын
@@Roban554 Maybe you should be more kind to someone that knows plenty about EVs. Perhaps you should try a channel about courtesy.
@micmike
@micmike 11 ай бұрын
Well, that was an eye opener. Thanks for producing and sharing your knowledge of electric car maintenance and failure issues..
@timrohla3166
@timrohla3166 6 ай бұрын
Great job Alex, I loved your presentation and explaining the ins and outs of what your shop does. Kudos!
@davec.4726
@davec.4726 3 ай бұрын
That was a most brilliant lecture by a very good lecturer, just like being in a classroom ! thank you very much for teaching me quite a lot about the "secrets" of the electric cars. Glad tidings from across the pond in Cornwall UK👋👍👊
@danieldirico2410
@danieldirico2410 5 ай бұрын
Enjoyed this walkthrough. I’ve seen a lot of ICE repair videos but not any EV ones yet. So interesting to see how few parts there are but also the unique challenges and things to watch out for. Great work.
@johnsmith-wd5sq
@johnsmith-wd5sq 11 ай бұрын
This was awesome! I learned more today about EV and whatnot than i ever knew! I would love to see how they diagnose and do a complete repair a car!
@lynxstarautomotive208
@lynxstarautomotive208 11 ай бұрын
You learned that they are very expensive to fix when they do break, parts are a pain to source, and that many times you are just paying four figures to put used or rebuilt parts in your car. 🤷‍♂️
@MarkRossi
@MarkRossi 11 ай бұрын
nice video, great to watch, this man def knows his job!
@wyoed1
@wyoed1 10 ай бұрын
This is an amazing video. Thanks to the author and Alex for his professional knowledge and sharing this tour.
@Trilobite45
@Trilobite45 11 ай бұрын
Inspecting & diagnosing issues with Tesla battery packs is an opportunity to see how their build techniques & materials/parts are holding up in real world use. Too bad Tesla is part of the “It’s broke, just buy a new one. See our sales dept.” mentality.
@rogerstarkey5390
@rogerstarkey5390 11 ай бұрын
You described every manufacturer. It's actually more "Does it cost more in time to repair, or slot in a new unit?" . That's where the second tier "repairers" come to the fore. . Same situation, different day. . The difference now is that where every vehicle had their "Top ten faults", an EV has let's say "30 known but not so common" problems, where an ICE vehicle might have 200 similar issues. . As mentioned here. Seals (going to happen) Fluid (going to happen) Electronics (going to happen, often as a result of 👆) Component (cell) failure (falls into the "rare" category) Mechanical failure (Mounts, bushes, etc.... There's a lot of torque) But as far as drive goes, that's about it. ICE? How long have you got? . Re "Tesla build techniques / materials/ parts" . They suffered the same issues as others (Model S drive shafts for example, bought in component quality) it's one reason they build more in house now.
@nickmalone3143
@nickmalone3143 11 ай бұрын
90% of car frame is the battery
@lynxstarautomotive208
@lynxstarautomotive208 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@rogerstarkey5390I specialize on German brands,and the MB B Class is basically a Tesla powertrain. The drive motor on those is a common failure, and I’ve seen it happen in as little as 90k miles 🤷‍♂️. Sadly, they don’t want to sell you any parts to fix it. They want to sell you the whole motor. Which is north of 5k
@eformance
@eformance 11 ай бұрын
It would seem to me that if you added a pump and pressure transducer to the coolant loop, you could create a slight pressure and monitor for significant changes, a realtime warning system that your coolant loop is not holding pressure.
@tannerbean3801
@tannerbean3801 11 ай бұрын
The coolant drain mod allows you to monitor for lost/dripping coolant. You can also monitor your drive unit coolant level in the reservoir. The cooling system likely doesn't see a measurable loss of coolant pressure unless the seal is almost totally gone... the problematic shaft seal is on the lower pressure/return side of the rotor shaft cooling loop.
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 11 ай бұрын
Model 3 & Model Y just does not use coolant inside the Drive Unit. Instead it uses Automatic Transmission Fluid specifically Pentosin ATF9 cooled and lubricated. That is how that problem was avoided.
@Alex_Bessinger
@Alex_Bessinger 11 ай бұрын
@@Neojhun Indeed, as do the dual motor (non-performance) S/X which started production in late 2014. Generally speaking, the 2nd gen and up oil cooled motors are WAY more reliable than the 1st gen water/glycol cooled "Large Drive Unit". Tesla definitely learned from their mistakes on that one, it's just a shame they have never fixed the LDU issues, especially considering they continued to use them in RWD and Performance variants of the S/X all the way through to 2021. - Alex @ QC Charge
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 7 ай бұрын
​@@Alex_Bessinger Even from the video, I could see you're not only very knowledgeable, but good at explanations and open (honest/candid). Plus your willingness to interact in the comments section is great. I wish you the absolute best in your business because people like you are rare. I would gladly work for you if I lived in the US even though I'm on the ICE maintenance business. Cheers.
@derekanderson5830
@derekanderson5830 5 ай бұрын
Kudos to Alex from QC for a quality, objective presentation.
@walterwhite1
@walterwhite1 5 ай бұрын
Wow, I just learned a lot. Thank you very much brother.
@nkelly.9
@nkelly.9 11 ай бұрын
Great stuff. Very informative. Thank you for posting this content.
@jeffco908
@jeffco908 11 ай бұрын
I can tell you why a dealer would not repair a battery, especially a high mileage one. When 6 months go by and there is another bad cell in a different section(module) they are gonna expect it to be repaired for free under warranty. Its a good idea but if you have 4 failures over 2 years you could have had a complete new unit for the cost of 4 repaired sections and 12 original sections that are just waiting to fail. Have you run into issues like that and if so how do you address it?
@jmoleas
@jmoleas 5 ай бұрын
Outstanding ! the Tech was extremely knowledgeable
@howardtaylor6920
@howardtaylor6920 11 ай бұрын
Thank you, really good to have the detail explained so clearly.
@thomashierzberger6945
@thomashierzberger6945 Жыл бұрын
Nice! Love to see more and more indipendent repairs shops for EVs coming up!
@QCCHARGE
@QCCHARGE 11 ай бұрын
QC CHARGE will be expanding to new locations in 2024.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 11 ай бұрын
@@QCCHARGE Here in the UK we have HEVRA - Hybrid & Electric Vehicle Repair Alliance - offering training courses for mechanics and technicians who wish to gain the necessary skills and qualifications to work on EV's....... We already have a sprinkling of independent EV specialists/repairers who can offer servicing, repairs and battery pack refurbishments here in the UK......
@lynxstarautomotive208
@lynxstarautomotive208 11 ай бұрын
@@Brian-om2hh we have that here too. But regardless, EV’s are simple enough that a blind, deaf, r*tard can work on them. The issue is manufacturers who don’t play fair and lock us out of getting parts, software, and repair info.
@jorgensondergaard809
@jorgensondergaard809 11 ай бұрын
Very knowledgeable mechanic, great presentation.
@davow8
@davow8 5 ай бұрын
Thanks. Highly informative without any sales pitch.
@joejohnson2478
@joejohnson2478 11 ай бұрын
Car insurance for these vehicles is very high because any damage to the battery pack results in usually a total loss because those packs can't be repaired and only replaced. Since the pack is one third the cost of the vehicle, not including the other repairs to the body and parts. The insurance company will give you the value of the vehicle minus depreciation.
@External2737
@External2737 10 күн бұрын
Yet this video was on repairing the battery.
@joejohnson2478
@joejohnson2478 10 күн бұрын
@@External2737 Replacing bad cells is not repairing the container that holds those cells damaged in an accident. We are not talking about hybrids but all electric vehicles. The batteries on those is about one third the cost of the car.
@joevwgti.
@joevwgti. 11 ай бұрын
I hope they'll do a video of that leaf battery swap/upgrade. That's awesome!
@craigbuckley6040
@craigbuckley6040 11 ай бұрын
Excellent lecture…..the technician is brilliant👍
@MrGaborseres
@MrGaborseres 5 ай бұрын
The young man made this presentation is glowing from intelligence, knowledge and experience 👍🙂 Thanks for educating us 😊 👍 👍👍👍
@streamingrevenue3053
@streamingrevenue3053 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic - so informative - thanks !
@bryce7566
@bryce7566 Жыл бұрын
great video and super informative!
@keithcress1335
@keithcress1335 11 ай бұрын
Very informative Alex! Well stated, clear. Appreciated!
@jefferrrson1x
@jefferrrson1x 3 ай бұрын
Dude what a fantastic video. Kudos to you man. The knowledge you have is dope. Hope you can educate the rest of the future youth engineers down the road. Your skills are priceless for the electric future. Props man.
@tommydplayskeys
@tommydplayskeys Ай бұрын
Shops like this are so valuable. Was fortunate to find a place in the UK who repaired my on-board charger for a sixth of the price the dealer quoted to replace it.
@marynunn1708
@marynunn1708 5 ай бұрын
Excellent insight. Well presented. Bravo!
@nathanielehinger5423
@nathanielehinger5423 Жыл бұрын
Excellent info, great video.
@benpayne4663
@benpayne4663 11 ай бұрын
thank you Alex for this clear and concise explanation. best to you.
@pinaricyt
@pinaricyt 6 ай бұрын
Amazing video. This guy is so knowledgeable, and truly talented at explaining technical stuff in a way that makes it fun and easy to understand. I hope EVs do not take over the world but, if they do, I only wish there are more shops like this one.
@genX68
@genX68 5 ай бұрын
You are right!!! We will have a hard time ,,,, finding someone to fix this engine,,, an. The cost is crazy !! Wow I think I will drive my gas car till the wheels fall off !!!! lol. 😮😮😮😮😮😮
@alanbowles1985
@alanbowles1985 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video on the workings of EV cars, well done Alex on explaining and passing on your knowledge.. 👌
@CarlosCastro-hg7hq
@CarlosCastro-hg7hq 11 ай бұрын
Very informative, keep up the good work
@regularguy3062
@regularguy3062 11 ай бұрын
Very nice. Thank-you for sharing your information. Will follow and share for sure. Good luck and keep making updates to videos!!
@petreghenciu8444
@petreghenciu8444 5 ай бұрын
Impressed with the technician and the shop..tools I wish I open one un Chicago area...under your . Kind of franchise expertise..
@zepp3lin
@zepp3lin 11 ай бұрын
The repair work on EVs is definitely way much higher than an engine or Trans replacement on an ICE car. And if it's from the manufacturer I would definitely top up a bit to get a new ICE car at that pricing. That is if you repair one cell or module, how about the other cells or modules? can it last, I'm sure it will be a chain effect in no time. So is it cost-effective to do a repair on EVs? Say 1 module cost 5K and the total is 8 modules, don't tell me I fork out 5K each time the module fails whereby I just fork out 3 to 5K for an engine that will last me another 200K miles or more.
@michaelgreen9484
@michaelgreen9484 11 ай бұрын
Simple solution, lease an EV, don’t buy an EV.
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 11 ай бұрын
"Say 1 module cost 5K and the total is 8 modules" WTF $40K for a battery is just absurd lies. Most likely only 1x $5K repair will ever be needed because the entire car is not going survive more than 400,000 miles. ICE cars are also not expected to survive more than 400,000 miles. The same limitation applies to BEVs. Stop with the misinformation rhetorical question. It's very clearly you are pushing false assumptions.
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 11 ай бұрын
@@michaelgreen9484 That is not relevant, he's just pushing misinformation.
@ricksmith3299
@ricksmith3299 11 ай бұрын
If the government is going to force the consumer to purchase these, how is the average American family going to afford the operating/repair costs? There are going to be a lot of them parked in driveways not running. Government needs to subsidize the battery replacements.
@Markcain268
@Markcain268 11 ай бұрын
Looking back over 30 years and the cars ive owned which were all well over 10 years old when i bought them and the only major drive train problem i had was the clutch on my first car, which i damaged by doing a burnout, cost me £70 back in the 90's to get it replaced, ice has never given me any real problems at all
@1arm_658
@1arm_658 11 ай бұрын
I'm never going to have to worry about electric maintenance.
@shaileshs8242
@shaileshs8242 11 ай бұрын
So did the owner of the tesla for 200,000 + miles. 0$ for oil change every 5000 miles.
@Pinkielover
@Pinkielover 11 ай бұрын
@@shaileshs8242 You weigh the insurance costs , E v is still way to expensive.. Cheaper to own a gas vehicle Anyway you look at it
@jamisonmunn9215
@jamisonmunn9215 11 ай бұрын
Wow so you're going to worry about ICE maintenance? It sounds like you hate money.
@denverferrell5217
@denverferrell5217 10 ай бұрын
Me neither! I wanted to comment but that option is blocked, I would not give 2 cents for an EV!
@marcusoutdoors4999
@marcusoutdoors4999 6 ай бұрын
@@Pinkielover Here in the U.K. a Tesla model Y costs about £600 or $750 per year which is the same for an ICE car.
@ingimundurkjarval8581
@ingimundurkjarval8581 6 ай бұрын
Here is something I have been pondering as a farmer. Tractors and skid steers on my farm do two different types of work, haying, field work and then chores. The chores take a short time every day and electrified skid steers and tractors could easily do them between charges. What about using these used eclectic motors in second hand skid steers and tractors for that purpose? Could potentially be a huge market I would think.
@sylvainroy5764
@sylvainroy5764 5 ай бұрын
The most informative minutes in my day! Thanks!
@keithspillman
@keithspillman 11 ай бұрын
A really great and informative video!! Thank you!!
@clivelee4279
@clivelee4279 11 ай бұрын
Most informative, thank you .
@user-go5oe6td3k
@user-go5oe6td3k 2 ай бұрын
Props to Alex. He is an excellent presenter - on par with a lot of dedicated KZfaq science content creators.
@ecolawnaeratorcompanycanada
@ecolawnaeratorcompanycanada 11 ай бұрын
Great Video on the newer electric vehicle components and service procedures and typical issues Customers have!!
@lesliemclean4381
@lesliemclean4381 11 ай бұрын
Awsome video,a real education on Ev motors and battery replacement, Damnskippy!
@timkiwi
@timkiwi 11 ай бұрын
Good video but I don’t think you need the back ground music
@seapy2398
@seapy2398 11 ай бұрын
The noise drove me nuts, my finger was poised over the quit button several times, No need for it, it's extremely distracting.
@richardwarren7492
@richardwarren7492 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for all that information. It's great that you are innovative with upgrades and repair methods.
@mrjones9915
@mrjones9915 11 ай бұрын
Great video and channel that I just came across - this one deserves to grow rapidly. Well done.
@motorbiscuit
@motorbiscuit 11 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@vgiannadakis
@vgiannadakis 11 ай бұрын
This video is full of enlightening information on EVs in general and Teslas in particular! This is the first time that I heard about the real issues EVs can and do run into! Failing battery cells for which you're asked to replace the entire battery! Coolant seals that leak. Updated seals that leak worse! Insane labor costs from (intentional?) component design and assembly! It seems the media is so invested in convincing us to go electric, that they completely disregard (or conceal?) maintenance costs over the long term, or costs hidden behind design flaws. They almost treat EVs like phones that you buy, keep for 2-3 years, then throw away to buy the next one! They almost act like they want to push the industry and the entire world towards electric! Oh wait!
@minthausa
@minthausa 11 ай бұрын
EV E for evil
@GuruEvi
@GuruEvi 11 ай бұрын
Nice video, looking to see more data on the coolant leaks. 40-50k miles isn’t that much though, to have $5-7k repairs after 2-3 years is ludicrous, let alone $20k for a battery pack, that’s more than a cheap new car. As far as the reasons Tesla doesn’t rebuild/repair the individual modules, besides the labor, mismatching individual new and old cells in large battery packs puts a lot of stress on the old ones. Think of it as a bed with springs, over time they loosen up, replacing a single spring with a much stiffer one puts a lot of stress on the fabric and neighboring springs especially as they get rapidly compressed and released. Batteries, like the springs connected with fabric will end up charging/discharging each other, causing hot spots which is bad all around.
@ronreed610
@ronreed610 10 ай бұрын
I enjoyed the "interview" and am grateful that Alex could just talk to us without interruption. I have been driving EV's for several years including a Camry Hybrid, a Nissan Leaf (8 years), a Chevy Volt, and currently a 2023 Chevy Bolt. I haven't had any of the issues everyone feared but know they can break down. I am thankful to charge up at work and home and avoid the gas stations.
@TwinJalanugraha
@TwinJalanugraha 10 ай бұрын
you kept on buying a new one? why not keep the original one and have no more payment like gasoline car?
@kiralypeter88
@kiralypeter88 6 ай бұрын
Great content! Alex knows his stuff for sure!
@factchecker9358
@factchecker9358 11 ай бұрын
I didn't think the repair part cost issues could get any worse than now, but I was mistaken.
@rob_in_stowmarket_uk
@rob_in_stowmarket_uk 11 ай бұрын
What a great explanatory video… really impressive!
@louisebrown2887
@louisebrown2887 3 ай бұрын
Great explanation Alex you know your stuff enjoyed watching
@blueracer66
@blueracer66 6 ай бұрын
Very well explained. Thank you for the video!
@dukeallen432
@dukeallen432 11 ай бұрын
Alex: Such a great presentation. Content, format, communication skills. Bravo bravo.
@poohbear4130
@poohbear4130 11 ай бұрын
Always said it’s the battery and it’s issue’s but listening to all of the failures on motor’s and coolant issues makes my decision to ride a bike even better!
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 11 ай бұрын
"failures on motor’s" is extremely rare or a very simple fix like cleaning out the motor internals.
@Markcain268
@Markcain268 11 ай бұрын
Same here, I've given up cars, ice too expensive to run these days and electric cars don't interest me in the same way ice does, looking at boats now instead of cars!
@amandajane8227
@amandajane8227 9 ай бұрын
When he was talking about bearings and bearing races it made me think it was like bicycle maintenance.
@pavementsailor
@pavementsailor 11 ай бұрын
I learned a lot here. Thank you!
@jerrygeorgopolis8015
@jerrygeorgopolis8015 5 ай бұрын
Outstanding video !! Thank you !
@Weezedog
@Weezedog 11 ай бұрын
Good luck repairing a 4680 pack, ain’t going to happen with that pink structural foam. And those packs are the future.
@ron827
@ron827 11 ай бұрын
Very well presented.
@emalaret6
@emalaret6 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information. Great job.
@nathanmillan9538
@nathanmillan9538 4 ай бұрын
Very well done Alex...Top Job, explaining some very interesting points..
@gman1141
@gman1141 11 ай бұрын
Great information! I am one of those Leaf owners looking to replace my battery pack. So far I haven't found anyone around the Atlanta area to do the change out other than the dealer. Mine is a 2015 and I would like to go to a 40KW pack. Do you have any connection/recommendations for this area?
@aussietaipan8700
@aussietaipan8700 11 ай бұрын
I wish we had EV mechanic like Alex in Australia. EV mechanics here just replace, there is no pull down and repair, just replace.
@westcoast3595
@westcoast3595 11 ай бұрын
Liability would be my guess
@en2oh
@en2oh 11 ай бұрын
@@westcoast3595 I doubt it has much to do about liability and a lot to do with "right to repair" and manufacturer control
@westcoast3595
@westcoast3595 11 ай бұрын
@@en2oh you are allowed that. Its not like people don’t sue.
@ChronoTango
@ChronoTango 11 ай бұрын
@@westcoast3595If they were worried about liability, they wouldn’t work on your car and insist you trade for a new one.
@wingsofsuspensionlifts6814
@wingsofsuspensionlifts6814 11 ай бұрын
too dangerous... can easily kill you
@z.z.onichi5365
@z.z.onichi5365 10 ай бұрын
Super great and informative video, any common issues with the 1st gen volt powertrain/motors/batteries?
@jeffcee9457
@jeffcee9457 6 ай бұрын
Alex really know his work i enjoy thanks for sharing
@Cg41418
@Cg41418 11 ай бұрын
Great video…I was going to ask if you farmed out the stator and rotor to be repaired, but you already bought a lathe.
@QCCHARGE
@QCCHARGE 11 ай бұрын
That lathe is 70 years old, and still works great! Tony @ QC CHARGE
@markdonovan1540
@markdonovan1540 11 ай бұрын
Tesla option - if you're in the USA: 10k to 15k, depending on size of battery (remanufactured) or about 20k for new replacement. Repair, if possible, by these amazing guys here: 5k to 6k. I bet the dealership doesn't mention this when selling a Tesla.
@timcargile1562
@timcargile1562 11 ай бұрын
Great, informative video well-presented. Thank You!
@TheEDNC
@TheEDNC 5 ай бұрын
Pioneers in a new field… establishing a new standard…best of luck to you guys! Question? Tesla parts availability … lead time? How much do they mark up their parts?
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