wait wait wait hold on a sec you thought Tesla made cars that can be fixed oh you silly french people and your castles🤣🤣🤣

This was like talking to a real person that knew how to actually fix a battery pack instead of the you need to replace the whole thing story that most people think will happen. I now have 3 EV, would never go back to ICE.

@@Fleshybitz have you put a nuclear reactor in the back to recharge your battery pack yet?

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue I ordered one on Amazon. 😁

A real engineer

Elon cares about one thing $$$

Your only error was “a” no-nonsense shop. The phrase is no non-sense shops..gotta put that s on the end of shop! HIH-HEEEEE!

Agreed!

You're very welcome! Thanks for stopping by!

Yeah. When companies like Tesla spout the environmental credentials of their cars & then make them impossible 6o repair, they are such hipocrites.

This is what will kill the EV industry. There needs to be a standardised battery system, like A packs for small cars B packs for medium ect ect. The packs also need to have standardised bricks inside so repair centres can fix them, just how lead acid batteries get replaced and recycled. Corporate greed is killing the EV lols. Also they catch fire too.

what?!

That foam is for fire protection as far as I know.

@@Chastity_Belt Maybe the fact that it makes the pack unservicable is just an added bonus.

So why is the comments option blocked

More full anyone owning an EV

@@debbiekonkin5768 Where is this happening? And how do we know for a fact that it's the EVs causing it? To my knowledge, blackouts can happen for a multitude or reasons, same as brown outs.

@@debbiekonkin5768 Well, like I said, where is this happening, and are we sure it's the EVs causing it. But seeing as you could not give me information for either, I'm going to assume it's a lie or just standard EV hate. By the way, an EV that uses a standard 110v outlet at 12A only consumes about 1,300 watts of power. This is enough to recover a bit over 10 kWh's overnight, which is a well over 50 miles, per day, which is also more than what most people drive every day.

​@@debbiekonkin5768 “1300 watts at 120 volts x 14-16 hours NON stop might get you 10kwh, it will take a week to fully charge at 120 volts, NON stop.” This is assuming that all EVs have the same battery capacity and charging speed, as well as the battery being completely empty every time you charge, which is not the case at all. Assuming a person only charges their EV to 80% for daily use as recommended by most manufacturers, and considering the average person only drives around 37 miles per day. A level 1 charger (110v outlet at 1.4kW) will cover their needs and then some with overnight charging. This person would only have to resort to public chargers or a faster charger if they were going on a road trip. “UK, California Charge rage, California, brown out warnings, do not use your AC and do not plug in your EVs.” This implies that EV charging is causing power shortages and grid instability, which isn't supported by any of your claims, and is limited to one state in an entire country. EV owners can charge their vehicles during off-peak hours when electricity demand is low and prices are cheap, or they can use smart charging technologies that adjust the charging rate based on grid conditions and user preferences. Some EVs can also provide backup power to the grid or to the home in case of emergencies, such as the Ford F-150 Lightning or the Tesla Powerwall. The real reason this happens is much more complex and is due to a number of reasons. Some of them being extreme and widespread heat waves, which increase demand for air conditioning and reduce the supply of hydroelectric power due to drought conditions. Inadequate planning and forecasting for the peak demand periods and the transition from solar to natural gas generation in the evening hours, when the sun set and people return home. Market failures and inefficiencies that allowed some power plants to export electricity to other states when it was needed in California, or prevented them from importing electricity from neighboring regions due to transmission constraints or price differences. “It now cost more in the UK for a road trip using an EV vs a gas or diesel car.” This claim is based on a flawed comparison that ignores the differences in fuel costs, maintenance costs, and tax incentives between EVs and gas or diesel cars. The UK Department of Transportation says the average cost of driving an EV in the UK was 3.3 pence per mile, compared to 9.9 pence per mile for a petrol car and 8.9 pence per mile for a diesel car. EV owners can also benefit from various tax incentives, such as lower vehicle excise duty. “In the UK, you now have to pay an annual fee/permit if you want a charger installed at your home.” The annual fee/permit that you are claiming refers to a new regulation that requires local authorities to issue permits for the installation of on-street EV charging points, not for home charging points. This regulation is intended to ensure that on-street EV charging points are safe, accessible, and complaint with the national standards. It does not affect EV owners who want to install charging points at their homes, as they do not need to apply for permits or pay fees for that. Furthermore, EV owners who want to install home charging points can receive grants from the government that cover up to 75% of the installation cost, up to a maximum of £350. “Everyone who doesn’t use an EV now has to pay higher electricity costs.” This claim is false, as there is no evidence that EV charging is increasing electricity prices for non-EV users. For example, a study by the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy found that if 40% of light-duty vehicles in the US were electrified by 2035, the average electricity price would decrease by 0.5% for all customers, saving $17 billion per year. Another study by the International Council on Clean Transportation found that if 40% of new car sales in Europe were electric by 2030, the average electricity price would decrease by 1.3% for all customers, saving €13 billion per year.

it goes to show that ev battery's can last a long time if you maintain them by replacing the bad cell instead of the whole pack simple

He says over 200k miles? He’s acknowledging the car lasted less than infinity or maybe infinity? No he’s gaslighting idiots

​​@@raven4k998 Isn't your profile picture that of a Hispanic soap opera actress (from the Charlie Flow TV series)?

@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 you have never seen a show called dark matter she was one of the main character's in that show the bad ass captain you can't kill they spaced her she got back in the ship and killed them all and she has a nice ass to boot

@@raven4k998 Thanks. I'll look up the show on Google.

Only government "thrives" in California!

I’m wondering if these guys have patents on their modifications. Seems like a good idea anyway.

Right on, pat. that stuff it's all yours. You have more knowledge about evs than everything else I've heard combined. WOW. I've been lived in Vista and Ocean side...my brother worked at a nuclear plant all this life, and this guy would impress him electronic discussion.

All of us mechanics have had to create our own tools. Part of the trade.

They added taxes to electric in 2025. Soon charging at home will have the same cost as buying gas. Government needs its pound of flesh.

Comparatively, you will spend similar amounts for drivetrain failures in an ICE vehicle. Engine swaps range from $4,000 - $12,000 depending on vehicle and damage. Labor and parts add up on all the other systems that will fail too. Battery costs are dropping which is something ICE can't claim. Eventually, the long term, cumulative purchase of your gas will amount to buying a battery pack. EV failure rate is up to 35% lower per 1,000 vehicles according to the latest ADAC report.

@@mbabcock111it should also be mentioned, if you replace the engine or transmission in your car it’s the same as before. On the other hand, that pack replacement is nearly tripling the range of the vehicle! He didn’t mention it, but the car will have increased acceleration and the battery will run cooler increasing it’s life. I guess in a sense replacing a pack is like upgrading your engine to get much better fuel mileage while adding a small turbo and using better hardware.

@@Uriah625 good points. Likely a module fails but not an entire pack. That seems to be the process currently.

Haha, and you're still burning coal! Haha!

Thanks for watching!

After 200,000 miles of service free, repair free driving. They are rarely in the shop. No oil changes, no cooling system repairs, no transmission fluid…..

​@5400bowen How often do you think coolant system repairs are happening? I had a 2001 Chevy Tahoe that I bought brand new and put over 340,000 miles on in 17 years of ownership. I had a coolant leak from a hole in a hose that cost me less than $10 to repair. I had to replace the radiator once and it cost me $150. I also did two coolant flushes that were under $30. I did my own oil changes (the easiest darn thing to do on a car besides replace the engine air filter) for $40 a pop and the oil lasted 7500 miles, so about 50 oil changes. Over the entire 340,000 miles, the only major drive train related repairs was replacing a blown head gasket at 290,000 miles in my friend's home garage for $200, a transmission rebuild at 320,000 miles for $1300 at a transmission shop, 2 fuel filter replacements for $20 a piece, 2 alternator replacements at $80 a piece, and around 40 air filter replacements at $20 a piece. That sounds like a lot, but when you add the total cost, over 340,0000, (10+150+2000+200+1300+40+160+800=4660) it cost me less than $5000 to maintain a 5.3L V8 engine. It cost that much just to repair one drive motor on a Tesla Model S at less than 200,000 and it cost $10,000 to replace a Tesla Model S battery at the same interval. You're not saving any money at all on repairs for an EV. You're going to spend almost 3 times as much.

@@k4everut who ever talked about cost and convenience? In 340,000 miles that’s at least 11 coolant changes. Times 80,000,000 cars. Times all the cars since 1910-1920. You do know how to do arithmetic? My point is the poisonous chemicals and pollution on top of the cost, not your personal DIY cost and convenience. How much did it cost for all the oils changes and coolant changes? How much toxic fluids where used. 80 million is just the US. Learn reading comprehension and arithmetic. Now….no oil changes and no coolant changes, virtually no trani fluid…electric. Most people don’t do there own repairs. And you aren’t considering diesel trucks. My 2006 Ford F250 diesel uses 15 quarts of oil every 3-5 thousand miles. As a matter of fact, me being an ex auto machinist, you aren’t considering most of the drawbacks of internal combustion engines. And there are hundreds. Ever think about what it takes to move and process all that gas, diesel, motor oil, trani fluid, and the poison it takes to make and transport coolant? Where does it all go? To Jupiter? And what if you had not had to do that work, are you saying the average person would not enjoy not having ANY maintenance for about 200,000 miles as on electric cars? You really would sit down with people and tell them that is meaningless? Tell that to my daughter in law, and listen while she laughs hysterically in your face.

@@k4everut oh…and 200,000 miles on a motor. You are delirious. I just watched a video about a 1901 original electric car. An unknown brand…1901…the original motor was still working…let me repeat for the thickheaded, THE ORIGINAL 1901ELECTRIC MOTOR WAS STILL WORKONG. 200,000 miles you say, Mr automotive expert? And you did not get a “transmission rebuild” for $1,300, they fixed it, they did NOT rebuild it, $1,300 would not cover the parts alone for a rebuild on that trani. I worked in and automotive machine shop. You left out all the real facts.

Gone are the engineers, here come the motoreers.

I’m guessing you have an electrical engineering background

You make it sound like every EV suffers from all these problems. LOL Any of the EV-cost-of-ownership videos on YT should ease your mind a whole lot, including the guy who drove his Tesla for a million miles.

@@ljprep6250 ?

@@ljprep6250 And his Teslas "battery pack replaced at least twice, which isn't bad considering 1 million miles. In addition, he's on his eighth electric motor " , so Tesla is not better than regular car in case of reliability or longevity. Other can do better e.g. Toyota hybrids can go over 300K-400K miles without battery or engine change (google 400K Rav4 XSE).

​@@igortokarev2350indeed, city cabs get 500k on average with a Camry. EVs should be reliable, but the quality and QC at Tesla is awful, and they keep changing designs to make the cars less servicable. Don't buy any car with a GigaPress frame, they cannot service the battery and minor collisions are write offs, which explains why Tesla insurance is so high. EVs will be great when better designs get to market from real car companies.

​@@igortokarev2350they are much better in terms of reliability because they are at a fair earlier stage in development than internal combustion engines but allready reaching similar or better reliability

This guy went 200,000 miles with no repairs…no maintenance and no breathing gasoline fumes when refilling. Balance that out.

1,200 miles is 20 hours. It takes 30 minutes to recharge a Lightning truck to drive 240 miles towing a big load. So 3 stops at 1/2 hour each in twenty hours. Just enough for meal and bathroom breaks. And the charging was WAY cheaper than the gas would have been.

Here in France resale valueof a car is extremely affected by having proof of work done on the car from a professional shop like receipts. I was thinking about learning to do this work by myself but I realized i wasn't worth it from an economical perspective. I could do it as an hobby on an old beater just for fun, but I don't care too much about it.

There was a video on here that I watched yesterday about the scandalous $61,000 that Hyundai are charging for EV batteries in Canada. These crap milk floats aren't worth repairing; why bother? So many uploads on KZfaq are now confirming that these abominations are throwaway consumer items.

Worry not, the industry will grow as demand for it increases. Just as repair garages did 120+ years ago, when the motor car first appeared......

Yeah worry not indeed, but what about the horrendous insurance premiums and equally horrific depreciation! If you’re wealthy enough you may be able to absorb the costs of running an EV but if you’re a blue collar worker with limited funds to spend on transport you’ll be out of luck and resigned to push bike’s for your transport requirements. The push for EV’s has nothing to do with climate control, it’s about control full stop where only the wealthy elites will have access to personal transport, the rest of us will have to suck it up if these clowns get their way. So yeah, no need to worry!!!……

@@Bluenose7 Well Sir, I think you may be way too pessimistic about so many things you mention. Tesla already has its own vehicle insurance company to specifically insure Tesla cars. It drastically alters premiums according to vehicle/driver behavior that they monitor all the time. The buy price of a quality EV is still rather high, but dropping precipitously in just one year due to tech and manufacturing advancements. There are many EV's already that sell at lower cost than comparable ICE cars due to Government rebate incentives initially but such support to encourage EV adoption by the public will not be required for much longer. The annual depreciation on a quality EV is VERY LOW. Wealthy elites? Oh what nonsense. Moving to Global mobile electrification is highly beneficial. Because over a million people will then NOT die each year from diseases caused by ingestion of particulate emissions. Climate change will likely not be halted by removing ICE power plants over time, but it will certainly arrest many of the weather extremes and also have a major impact on general health and wellbeing of most people globally. The rapid upsurge in local power generation (typically wind & solar + storage for 24/7 energy access) will almost certainly become an economical way to bring nearly free energy to remote and struggling communities - particularly in African nations.

@@jimparr01Utube lol

​@@Bluenose7 100 %correct, forced on us all, designed to fail to get us out of private auto ownership to subscription based ownership, which is a car loan that never. Ends

Every new technology takes time to mature. Currently EV's are for well off people owning a home for charging overnight (not for those who live in apartments and condos) and can actually afford higher costs EV's compared to regular cars. Just like you can pick up a $200 smartphone that works compared to over $500 10 years ago, same will happen with EV's.

@@BillAnt "I want an EV even less now than before I watched." Totally agree

@@BillAnt Back in 2010 when I bought a HTC Touch Pro 2, they were $850 for a proper real smartphone that can run internet services apps and HSDPA 3G connection.

@@evanthompson8925 Couldn't agree less, this is the worst case scenario for EVs. It's highly unlikely and will only get better with more modern EVs. Very comforting.

The coolant drain mod allows you to monitor for lost/dripping coolant. You can also monitor your drive unit coolant level in the reservoir. The cooling system likely doesn't see a measurable loss of coolant pressure unless the seal is almost totally gone... the problematic shaft seal is on the lower pressure/return side of the rotor shaft cooling loop.

Model 3 & Model Y just does not use coolant inside the Drive Unit. Instead it uses Automatic Transmission Fluid specifically Pentosin ATF9 cooled and lubricated. That is how that problem was avoided.

@@Neojhun Indeed, as do the dual motor (non-performance) S/X which started production in late 2014. Generally speaking, the 2nd gen and up oil cooled motors are WAY more reliable than the 1st gen water/glycol cooled "Large Drive Unit". Tesla definitely learned from their mistakes on that one, it's just a shame they have never fixed the LDU issues, especially considering they continued to use them in RWD and Performance variants of the S/X all the way through to 2021. - Alex @ QC Charge

​@@Alex_Bessinger Even from the video, I could see you're not only very knowledgeable, but good at explanations and open (honest/candid). Plus your willingness to interact in the comments section is great. I wish you the absolute best in your business because people like you are rare. I would gladly work for you if I lived in the US even though I'm on the ICE maintenance business. Cheers.

Question: Is this information included in their manual?. Has this issue ever been resolved in a newer Tesla model

Just *this* motor design has these problems. It's important to keep in mind this was Tesla's first try at building a motor from scratch, and suffice it to say they learned from their mistakes on later iterations, which is a very different design and doesn't suffer from any of these failure modes... My own personal daily driver is a 2015 Model S which uses 2nd gen motors. The front one lasted ~375k mi, and the rear is still original at 447k mi and counting. -Alex @ QC Charge

And you're not going to hear this information anywhere. They're build for failure.

⁠@@Alex_BessingerYou do understand the EV market is not just Tesla? Plenty of EV’s use bearings, and fluids, and other items that will require service. The latest trend right now is hybrids with 48v systems instead of the traditional 12v systems. 48v allows many mechanical components on ICE engines to be replaced with electric variants instead. Things like cam phasers, brake calipers, eccentric shafts/auxiliary shafts. To name a few. Step outside the cult once in a while.

Maybe you should explore some Norwegian EV channels, and you would discover it sooner.

@@Roban554 Maybe you should be more kind to someone that knows plenty about EVs. Perhaps you should try a channel about courtesy.

Yet this video was on repairing the battery.

@@External2737 Replacing bad cells is not repairing the container that holds those cells damaged in an accident. We are not talking about hybrids but all electric vehicles. The batteries on those is about one third the cost of the car.

Hell, any backyard mechanic that has done a moderate amount of mechanical work has probably designed and built their own tools. Nothing new to see here

you kept on buying a new one? why not keep the original one and have no more payment like gasoline car?

You learned that they are very expensive to fix when they do break, parts are a pain to source, and that many times you are just paying four figures to put used or rebuilt parts in your car. 🤷‍♂️

You described every manufacturer. It's actually more "Does it cost more in time to repair, or slot in a new unit?" . That's where the second tier "repairers" come to the fore. . Same situation, different day. . The difference now is that where every vehicle had their "Top ten faults", an EV has let's say "30 known but not so common" problems, where an ICE vehicle might have 200 similar issues. . As mentioned here. Seals (going to happen) Fluid (going to happen) Electronics (going to happen, often as a result of 👆) Component (cell) failure (falls into the "rare" category) Mechanical failure (Mounts, bushes, etc.... There's a lot of torque) But as far as drive goes, that's about it. ICE? How long have you got? . Re "Tesla build techniques / materials/ parts" . They suffered the same issues as others (Model S drive shafts for example, bought in component quality) it's one reason they build more in house now.

90% of car frame is the battery

⁠@@rogerstarkey5390I specialize on German brands,and the MB B Class is basically a Tesla powertrain. The drive motor on those is a common failure, and I’ve seen it happen in as little as 90k miles 🤷‍♂️. Sadly, they don’t want to sell you any parts to fix it. They want to sell you the whole motor. Which is north of 5k

Simple solution, lease an EV, don’t buy an EV.

"Say 1 module cost 5K and the total is 8 modules" WTF $40K for a battery is just absurd lies. Most likely only 1x $5K repair will ever be needed because the entire car is not going survive more than 400,000 miles. ICE cars are also not expected to survive more than 400,000 miles. The same limitation applies to BEVs. Stop with the misinformation rhetorical question. It's very clearly you are pushing false assumptions.

@@michaelgreen9484 That is not relevant, he's just pushing misinformation.

If the government is going to force the consumer to purchase these, how is the average American family going to afford the operating/repair costs? There are going to be a lot of them parked in driveways not running. Government needs to subsidize the battery replacements.

Looking back over 30 years and the cars ive owned which were all well over 10 years old when i bought them and the only major drive train problem i had was the clutch on my first car, which i damaged by doing a burnout, cost me £70 back in the 90's to get it replaced, ice has never given me any real problems at all

EV E for evil

QC CHARGE will be expanding to new locations in 2024.

@@QCCHARGE Here in the UK we have HEVRA - Hybrid & Electric Vehicle Repair Alliance - offering training courses for mechanics and technicians who wish to gain the necessary skills and qualifications to work on EV's....... We already have a sprinkling of independent EV specialists/repairers who can offer servicing, repairs and battery pack refurbishments here in the UK......

@@Brian-om2hh we have that here too. But regardless, EV’s are simple enough that a blind, deaf, r*tard can work on them. The issue is manufacturers who don’t play fair and lock us out of getting parts, software, and repair info.

You are right!!! We will have a hard time ,,,, finding someone to fix this engine,,, an. The cost is crazy !! Wow I think I will drive my gas car till the wheels fall off !!!! lol. 😮😮😮😮😮😮

"failures on motor’s" is extremely rare or a very simple fix like cleaning out the motor internals.

Same here, I've given up cars, ice too expensive to run these days and electric cars don't interest me in the same way ice does, looking at boats now instead of cars!

When he was talking about bearings and bearing races it made me think it was like bicycle maintenance.

The noise drove me nuts, my finger was poised over the quit button several times, No need for it, it's extremely distracting.

Thank you. Tony @ QC CHARGE

Liability would be my guess

@@westcoast3595 I doubt it has much to do about liability and a lot to do with "right to repair" and manufacturer control

@@en2oh you are allowed that. Its not like people don’t sue.

@@westcoast3595If they were worried about liability, they wouldn’t work on your car and insist you trade for a new one.

too dangerous... can easily kill you

Just search Replace Nissan Leaf 🍃 battery - and there's companies that specialize in this very thing; potential to put you over 100 miles if the new pack fits! (2013 Leaf owner - typically getting 70 miles)

Upgraded to Used Tesla S 2013 for $12k on FB marketplace

It's worth remembering that most things get cheaper as technology develops. The Model T was $850 in 1909 but was under $300 by 1924. The original Model S in 2012 was around $75,000 in today's money, but tech evolution has allowed the creation of far cheaper models that get more range on a charge than the original Model S. Obviously, we can't predict the future. But, with technology for EVs already evolving so fast, it'll be hard to believe if another decade doesn't bring much more affordable repairs and replacements to the table.

@@motorbiscuit

Climate change is real and is driven by the use of fossil fuels. EV's are part of the solution, along with solar and wind power sources. So, sorry but ICE cars have a limited future. We have an EV; it is incredibly cheap to run (Mostly charged from our rooftop solar), goes 500km on a charge, never had any "range anxiety" once we realized how good it is. No servicing costs, ultra reliable. And it is by FAR the peppiest car I've ever owned. Like other EV owners, would never want an ICE again. Cheers! Chris, NZ.

WTF? reliability and durability has never been the problem and is the key point where it is better than ICE? The servicing and parts replacement problem is not based on cost. It's main cause is lack of Supply Chain and Organizational Resources to deploy these necessity. Granted all these 1st gen mass produced BEVs are being neglected and not enough resources is being spent on Servicing and Parts availability. This is very much another chicken and egg problem not wanting to spend resources on a limited market.

​@@Neojhun Very astute observation. Right now, you can walk into any dealer service department or auto parts store and buy most parts you could ever want for an ICE vehicle, and usually there are cheaper aftermarket part alternatives available as well. Right now though, the same can't be said for EVs, so supply chain is a very real issue. That's why we've had to create our own supply chain with custom parts, tools and lots of research. For many parts and repairs we are forced to lean heavily on used parts. With time and higher volume, parts vendors will conform to meet the needs of the market, but for the time being, we work with what we've got. Right now we are actually currently working with a partner for aftermarket batteries for the Nissan LEAF, and there may be a potential to expand to other vehicles as well. - Alex @ QC Charge

Much appreciated!

So did the owner of the tesla for 200,000 + miles. 0$ for oil change every 5000 miles.

@@shaileshs8242 You weigh the insurance costs , E v is still way to expensive.. Cheaper to own a gas vehicle Anyway you look at it

Wow so you're going to worry about ICE maintenance? It sounds like you hate money.

Me neither! I wanted to comment but that option is blocked, I would not give 2 cents for an EV!

@@Pinkielover Here in the U.K. a Tesla model Y costs about £600 or $750 per year which is the same for an ICE car.

The manufacturers should have the ability to monitor and provide status down to individually replaceable components, so the overall health can be seen without wholesale disassembly. Cell capacity, temperature monitoring and alerts if thresholds are exceeded could be accessible by the interested parties.