Inside Forward & Wingback FM24 Role Combination Guide

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The inside forward and wingback create one of the best role combinations in football manager 24. There are numerous reasons for this, and we get into that in the video. We talk about why they work together, a formation breakdown using the inside forward and wingback, and then also talk about some issues you may face with your tactic (plus how to fix your tactical issues!)
At the end of the video, we go over the team instruction "overlap left / right" and some of the misconceptions with this instructions. Do you need to add the instruction or is it better to leave it to the players?
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If you want more information about the two roles, here are the player role guides
Inside Forward FM 24 Role Guide
• Inside Forward FM24 Ro...
Wingback FM24 Role Guide
• Wingback FM24 Role Guide
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CHAPTERS
0:00-1:55 OVERVIEW
1:55-3:44 ROLE & DUTY
3:44-4:53 TACTIC BREAKDOWN
4:53-8:30 FIXING ISSUES
8:30-10:22 TACTICAL INSTRUCTIONS

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@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

If you're curious about the Inside Forward and Wingback, I've got inidividual guides for those roles included in the description!

@antekilsson 15 күн бұрын

First, I want to say that this channel is absolutely fantastic! Suitable for all players of FM, beginners and more experienced. The graphics and layout enhance the experience. I have used several of the tips that have been through the various episodes, started using roles that I had not used before. now the channel is taking another step, role combinations I have been looking forward to since the start. thanks for an absolutely fantastic channel for us FM lovers

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

thank you so much for the reply! It means a lot of that you and others have been enjoying the videos. My goal for each video is to (hopefully) provide everyone with at least a tidbit that they didn't know before, even if you may have been familiar with the role.

@drew3ism 15 күн бұрын

Oooo, we’ve moved on to combinations. Honestly have to say you’re the only one putting content like this out on here! Keep up the good work

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

Feels like we've come so far now that we're moving onto role combinations haha

@Elynzis 15 күн бұрын

As a veteran FM player, I still learn a lot from your video! keep it up🎉

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

that's excellent! Glad you're enjoying the videos

@bideee 15 күн бұрын

Need more of these combinations‼️ And it’s never a DLP video without mentioning space 😂

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

I don't think I talked about creating much space in the last video, so had to make sure I got that one in early in this one hahaha

@user-ui4sf1rw6s 14 күн бұрын

I am joining others in praising this channel. Stylish design, understandable english pronunciation and useful tips. Great job!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

Thank you! 😃 Happy you and others have been enjoying the content

@yimnatawandanyika 12 күн бұрын

CARRILERO !! Genius 👌👌

@Sprite8822 14 күн бұрын

I love that combo and utilise it in my Man Utd team. The wing backs are integral to the way we attack as the opposition defenders have to pick if they follow the IF inside or mark the WB which often means we can find pockets of space.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

such a great combo. Especially with Man U; they've got a good collection of IF and WB

@hamzasin3657 12 күн бұрын

Please continue this video concept and make a series of it is so helpful thanks.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 12 күн бұрын

glad you enjoyed it! I definitely plan on doing more of these in the future and thank you for the support

@johnvs7169 9 күн бұрын

You can also try changing the Inside Forward to an Inverted Winger, which interacts better with an attacking wingback. This will make your left flank the creative one and your right flank the scoring one. Instead of using the overlap Team Instruction, you can use the Hold Up Ball Player Instruction, provided your winger has good balance. Btw, nice stuff.👍

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 9 күн бұрын

Love this tip, thank you for adding the tactic idea. I like these because my ideas aren't the only way to do things, and stuff like this helps add to the discussion and show that there are so many combinations and ways to make your tactic work! Thanks again

@hungotuan4431 15 күн бұрын

Role combinations, let’s go!

@piersonjamesa 13 күн бұрын

I really enjoy these videos, a great reference library. I would also love to see the reverse version that is more in vogue in the last couple of years , the W(A/S) and the IWB(D/S/A). I feel that is the harder one to build your tactical chemistry around but can be worth it if you find (fast while good postioning/tackling) defenders that just lack skill in crossing, a notoriously hard trait to improve. Whereas the newgen wingers with poor defending and great crossing and speed are generally the highest rated players in the game as you progress in a save.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 13 күн бұрын

If I'm honest, in previous FM's I would really shy away from the winger role; I would always use an inside forward (I think I just had a bias against the winger lol.) But I've really fallen in love with the winger role and like you said his interaction with some of these new roles like the IWB can be fantastic. I love pairing the winger with a physical striker like a target forward because their crossing / heading combo can be deadly

@ashn18 14 күн бұрын

Another quality video! I've not concentrated this much since School! Ha! Great work again, thank you!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

thank you!

@rodiermadiande249 15 күн бұрын

Top notch, that’s the type of of content making sense. We all trying our best to emulate the best team expression knowing how to orchestrate movement is key 😎

@akkermanrik 11 күн бұрын

I am not going to mention again how great your content is. But just wanted to say something else, I really like your hat :)

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 11 күн бұрын

Thanks! haha. Collecting baseball hats is a hobby of mine. Doesn't really mix with videos on football manager player roles but I like it lol

@FuzeBash 15 күн бұрын

bro, your format is so chill and so direct, i love it.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

I appreciate that thank you

@VeggieOrtiz 6 күн бұрын

my favourite role combination along with a Target/Advanced Forward up top. the opposing left back is always at a loss once I release them down the right flank

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 6 күн бұрын

Those two are great as well. If you have a good one, the Target Forward is pure destruction out there

@Sirlightskin97 14 күн бұрын

When we thought he was done he turned it up a notch!

@hunterowens3921 14 күн бұрын

Excited to see witch combos come next!

@VurtAddicted 15 күн бұрын

Role combinations! Fantastic!!!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

I've been excited to make these!! I wanted to wait till I had a little back catalog of roles, that way I could just talk about how they work together (rather than spending time explaining the roles).

@edubrooke2753 15 күн бұрын

Another great video my man 👏🏾. Been playing for about a decade, but there’s always some kind of gem in these! Finished my own ASM save with the French cup (beating PSG in the semi) and the most frustrating 2nd place in the league ever…. We won everything but 3 stinkers away from home, where we got dominated all off a sudden against LOSC, OM and Nice. Finishing 5 points(!) behind PSG who only dropped points against us (L&D) and a draw against Rennes. Love my 433 with this combination on the right and a (I)WB and (inverted) winger on the left. Refreshed the team a bit after selling Hernandez (50mil to NUFC) and Vanderson (35 mil to PSV). Replacing them with Udinese speedster Festy Ebosele and overpowered Liverpool benchwarmer Tsimikas. Honestly love my team and how the wings work with Ngonge, Lamar, Almada and Balogun rotating on both positions. Unfortunately Mbappe resigned through 2028 for about 1.5 mil a week, who averages about an 8 match rating. So actually quite scared for my chances of glory in this first chapter of the glory hunt 😅

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

Love love love Monaco and doing saves with them! We beat PSG 3-2 in Paris and then lost like 0-1 at home to Lens are something the next week haha, so I feel your pain.

@Abbelboxe 15 күн бұрын

Yet another excellent video. Even sprinkled in a hint about the carrilero and cleared a misconception I had with the role.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

Thanks! Love the carrilero; figured this was a nice way to give an introduction to the role

@user-xc8cd3es9b 6 күн бұрын

thank you!!

@stevepowell2499 12 күн бұрын

What a great video! Just found your channel, looking forward to going through all your previous videos. Thanks for the great content!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 12 күн бұрын

thank you so much for the support! Glad you were able to find the channel, hope you enjoy the other videos

@stevepowell2499 12 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Already checked out a few of the others! What skin do you us on FM24?

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 11 күн бұрын

On FMScout, it's the "Renside Dark FM24" skin. I don't know if they frown upon linking it haha, but it's easy to find on the FMScout website

@nomorevodka7354 14 күн бұрын

crusaderstar? or Cloud9? which one are you haha, you got this mate 👍

@gwendooleeng9303 15 күн бұрын

Combinations... YES!!!

@edenra8734 13 күн бұрын

This is getting better and better, keep up the good work, can’t wait for another combination video! Cheers from France!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 13 күн бұрын

Thank you! I always appreciate the support!!

@stefankatsarov5806 15 күн бұрын

Hey, you actially made this video. Thanks it was great one.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@lenni5615 14 күн бұрын

great great video. I loved every second

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

thank you, glad you enjoyed it!

@tom9030 15 күн бұрын

Such good videos! SI should hire you and in the new FM when you hover over a role you appear with a small video telling all of this... Amazing! Keep going and i might found out why my Bruno Fernandes its not being a proper Bruno..

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

thanks! And I'd be up for SI hiring me hahaha

@tombkingsethbattlechannel9419 14 күн бұрын

Hurray a combinations guide, love ur content mate :) one thing i noticed with the WB(A) and IF(SU) combo is to set the team instructions to overlap and slower tempo. Basicly telling the IF to wait for the WB and give the WB the time to run into position. often times when u are on quick passing the game is "too fast" for the WB to get into position. With a carriliero (love these guys) ore a mezzala u can really siege the penalty box, especially with lower tempo. Basicly creating a slow, mechanical, tikitaka style that grinds the opponent down over time.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

Excellent tips, thank you for sharing! I always try to navigate the maze of saying when someone should or shouldn't do something, or talking in absolutes (like "never play this role!") kind of thing. Because like your tactic, there are so many ways to set your team up. I don't really use the overlap instruction, but when you have a clear idea like yours you can see how benefical those instructions can be.

@tombkingsethbattlechannel9419 14 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Glad if i could add something helpful^^ Could u do a Video on the Shadowstriker next? cause thats maybe the only role i dont get a grip on. no matter in wich tactic i use them they always seems to suck.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

I think the Shadow Striker may come up (somehwat) soon!

@piersonjamesa 13 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker second this request

@gokhanj.yenigun7933 14 күн бұрын

Good one

@Hirojack 15 күн бұрын

great video, editing and delivery. Keep it up, a new subscriber here!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

thank you for the support (seriously it means a lot!) and glad you enjoyed the video!

@fmcatenaccio423 15 күн бұрын

Great video once again, my only criticism is that I'm having to wait 3 days to watch your videos ;)

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

haha the best things in life come to those who wait XD

@juniorlimma8100 15 күн бұрын

Great video, loved your comments on this. I tend to use my wingbacks inverted and allow the midfielders more freedom building up, but we can never learn enough

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

that's one of the great things about this game. There are so many ways to approach your tactic and team building that there's almost never a singular answer to this

@wezarxmen6ar761 15 күн бұрын

Your videos are great and informative, i am looking forward to your next video. Would like to see something like the difference between wingback and full back, or inside forward and inverted winger. Keep it up bro

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

Thank you for the kind words and those video are on my idea's list for sure!

@myleskennedymaxfan 15 күн бұрын

I have learned so much thinks to your videos! Keep the good work, you made me fell again into FM, ngl lol

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

that's so awesome to hear that the videos have helped! Thank you

@adityaudayanagolfvlogs1317 9 күн бұрын

Great video, I've noticed that attacking width plays a huge difference on the WB and IF role. I've been playing a fairly narrow width and that change alone automatically instructs my WBs to cut inside on the final third and make crosses from the byline. This has also shifted both IFs to accomodate the center of the box on attack allowing more crossing options from the WB, which explains high number of goals coming from both IFs and a significant drop in goals from the AF. I've tried to tweak the AF to a DP but haven't really found the balance, perhaps i'd have to adopt a more extreme alternative, a F9. The overlap left/right is almost pointless on WB(a) mode, since it's already a movement they're doing, although it might help WBs with lower work rate to adopt to these changes.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 9 күн бұрын

Great additions to the tactic discussion thanks! Interesting that your IF has scored more but your AF has less. I guess thats a net equal haha. What duty do you use the IF on, attack or support? And thanks again; In these videos, I don't like to use team instructions that adjust the shape (if I can help it) , since I like to show what the role does a little more "naturally". So I appreciate comments like these that can maybe help others on what more specific team instructions do.

@adityaudayanagolfvlogs1317 9 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker my IF is on Attack. Saka on the right, Khivcha on the left, Osimhen down the middle. Yes, I've seen great results when swapping your WBs on both side, so that the LWB are right footed, RWB are left footed, combine with narrow width you get goals from your WBs. I feel like the WB(A) duty is super offensive (depends on player). I got decent G/A from the likes of Kayode, Tierney, Diomande and Grimaldo sort of players as WBs.

@badboyz08 10 күн бұрын

just found your channel what an awesome video

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 10 күн бұрын

Thanks and welcome!

@hstreamgame1084 15 күн бұрын

👍 great ❤❤❤

@lukaszprotas 15 күн бұрын

Great video. There is shortage of quality content about role combinations. You sir fill that gap 😉 Also, I was already warming my thumbs to reply to suggestions that it is always good to mix su and att roles, but I am glad that I waited till the end of the video 😉 anyway, great job. Waiting for more!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

haha it's a small but key thing to have the support / attack mixture!

@lukaszprotas 15 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Dear Sir, try IF (a) [or better W(a) with cut inside] with IWB (a) passing AP(s). If and iwb overload is a beautiful thing to see.😉 But ofc for IF and WB a/s rule is True.

@viethungo6255 15 күн бұрын

Excellent video, i would love the next vid to be about the raumdeuter, a role that many players don't really give a chance and how we can best ultilize it in a system Love from Vietnam

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

thank you for the compliment and thank you for watching! I'll see if I can get to work on the raumdeuter for a future video, thank you for the suggestion

@echo645 15 күн бұрын

Great idea to start expanding into role combinations, love the topic, id love to know what combinations would you do with a star playmaker

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

glad you enjoyed the video! For a star playmaker, I would probably choose roles that compliment his play. So if he's a central midfielder playmaker, choose roles like the box to box midfielder, ball winning midfielder, anchor man, and/or the central midfielder (role) that gives him runners to pass to but aren't ball dominant.

@echo645 15 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker thankyou brother, i look forward to more of your content

@LewisU16 15 күн бұрын

Excellent video, very well made. Out of interest, you mentioned using a Carrilero to provide support to the WB, would adding the PI 'Stay Wider' to a DM provide a similar effect?

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

Absolutely! But there will always be a difference in a role dedicated to going out wide versus a role that is told to stay wide. So the carrilero's primary job is to be that wide support for the attacking players, while a DM has his own job he's doing but you've told him to stay wider while doing it. Hopefully that made sense haha And thank you for the compliments!

@LewisU16 15 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thank you for the reply! Makes perfect sense thank you, i've been playing FM a while but havent really been the best tactician but these videos have helped my understanding a lot so thank you very much!

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

Absolutely! If you're curious, something that really helped me start to understand tactics and player roles is by watching a full match (so no key highlights or extensive highlights). And then when you start the match, pick one of your players and follow him around. What does he do when you have the ball? What does he do without the ball? I think it's the best way to learn what the role actually does. I find that when I watch extensive/key highlights, there will be large portions of the match where nothing happens and I'm staring at the stats screen. But something is happening with your tactic during those periods and that's often the best place to find issues. Hope that helps!

@allezxander1232 15 күн бұрын

Will you make a video on the wide target forward at some point?

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

The goal is to (try) and get to all the player roles; it won't be in the near future, but I hope to get to the wide TF at some point

@RachelTurner81 14 күн бұрын

Cool video! I've been using a FB on At and an IF on Su with a lot of success, how does that compare to the WB role? The FB does still get to the byline sometimes

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

For the Wingback, i think of it like a 75/25 breakdown. So 75% of the time they're going to get to the byline. And the fullback I think of in a 60/40 breakdown, so only 60% the FB(A) will want to get to the byline because they're not as aggressive as the wingback. They want to get forward, but they're more aware of their defensive duties. By the way, those numbers are very very much unofficial haha. Just how I think about the two roles, but you're right they are similar in a lot of ways. Hopefully that makes sense!

@ianresc3615 15 күн бұрын

I would be very much interested in your take on how the WB interacts with other roles on the wings like the wide Trequartista, the IW or the Raumdeuter or a combination that is probably the worst of all: the WB + Winger.

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

You know, I don't know if I've ever used the WB and the winger together. Not saying they can't work together, but I've also assumed they wouldn't be efficient since they're similar. Maybe I'll try it at some point (especially with FM24's positional play) to see if they work haha

@ianresc3615 15 күн бұрын

@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I had to use both in my recent Bilbao save. They kind of occupy the same space and sit in the same positions. Good for overloads, but very odd.

@piersonjamesa 13 күн бұрын

@@ianresc3615 have you tried telling your wb to cut inside with possession, or are they one footed and that may just lead to disaster? I feel like this is an inevitable conundrum when you have newgen players, so would appreciate learning how it went for you.

@ianresc3615 13 күн бұрын

@@piersonjamesa I never really tried that, because I want the width from my WBs and the players in question were quite bad in terms of attacking skills. They were more or less flat back FBs that hat to play in a back five.

@zm4261 13 күн бұрын

coookk

@zaink6652 14 күн бұрын

Amazing video mate! One question: in my save i have an IF(s) with a CWB(a) and i have both of them stay wider. naturally to cover up space left i put a cm(s) as the lcm. recently my team has been struggling with chance creation so i switched from cm to a roaming playmaker. now my team is doing better in terms of creating chances but my roaming playmaker doesnt challenge or track back much for the ball(like he does but not as much as the CM role would do). is this something i should continue to pursue and train my player in the LCM slot to improve his tackling, or do i change player roles? thanks in advance

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 14 күн бұрын

Great question, and thank you for the compliment on the video! Not sure if you tried it, but a role like the Carrilero works really well for situations like that. They're more defensively focused, but they'll still get forward and contribute on occasion. It's a great role to use when you have two more attack focused roles on his same side (like the CWB and IF are). Maybe give that role a shot and see if your defensve structure improves, without losing too much from your attack.

@piersonjamesa 13 күн бұрын

another idea is maybe to take your cm_S and give them the individual instruction to take more risks in their passing and roam from position. That might give you some of the benefits on defending without the lack of creativity. (i think tracking back is more positioning and marking rather than tackling, and if you want a player in tackling training, you will want to check which group they are considered in for training, if they are in the attacking group, you may need to spam Defend from the front training to help your attackers tackling skills, its notoriously hard to improve that stat). On a final note, if your looking at using positional play, then perhaps having one of those wide players not be hard coded to stay wide may open up space and improve your chance creation down the left wing. If your not using positional play but relationism, then DLP's suggestion on the CAR is best as you can keep your attacking players close together for 1 touch passes, while helping your defensive structure. For every platini, you need a deschamp.

@zaink6652 12 күн бұрын

@@piersonjamesa hi mate thanks so much for the advice! it did come in handy coz ive decided to stick with the roaming playmaker(for now as cm on support isnt showing as much of a difference). im using man utd in my save so i needed someone to link defense and attack but was not the primary defensive player but still contributed in defense so for now RPM is satisfying. also the way i am setting up i want my team to be in a 325 shape(basically a back 3 shape front could be anything) and rn 325 is producing some good results. i was asking for the LCM role because as of now, my front 5 in possession looks like: shaw rashford hojlund bruno antony i was asking for the LCM role as, since 5 players are ahead, we need someone to help defend but also be creative enough. DLP is too stagnant and AP is not defensive enough. one thing i did find was that having shaw on support helps with wide combinations more but produces fewer chances. anyways thanks for the advice!

@Flexium_GG 7 күн бұрын

Hey mate, if I’m using an iwb, mezz-a/s, and IW-s/a, is that okay? Also wonder if an IFB-d, AP-s, and IW-a on the right is okay. Hoping that mezz on the left provides enough width that I’m lacking from my iwb and iw

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 7 күн бұрын

I love using a winger with an inverted wingback, especially with a mezzala. That's not to say your formation wouldn't work (using an inverted winger), but there may some issues with players ending up in the same general area. of course, if it works, than it works! haha My take is that the winger really opens up the space for the mezzala, and the IWB provides that support in the midfield. How has your tactic been working with the IWB / MEZ / IW ?

@drew3ism 12 күн бұрын

I’ve just realised the….The deep lying playmaker has not broken down the deep lying playmaker!! 😱

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 12 күн бұрын

how deep does the consipracy go????

@volkanpalut1993 15 күн бұрын

what about complete wing back?

@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker 15 күн бұрын

they would definitely work with the inside forward! The complete wingback is a more adventurous WB (they have 'roam from position' as a hard coded player instruction), but the same ideas still apply. If I was making a tactic with a CWB and an IF, I would probably have some type of DM providing cover since those two are more attack focused