Definitely more my speed.

The rest of that sentence was "and cargo was underutilized" context sir.

you forgot the part where they talked about the cargo hulling mission.... you know the second half of the video

I've seen this complain a bunch of times but we already have pure non-combat gameplay loops, specifically hauling and mining, with exploration as a future loop (and touring farther on). The point of events isn't to just replace the more generic gameplay loops, it's to combine gameplay loops in a way that encourages cooperation. Many of them have been mostly or almost entirely combat-focused...Xenothreat, Jumptown, etc. All of them have some basic resource aspects but it's not a primary focus. None of the current dynamic events would benefit much from someone showing up in a Caterpillar, for example. The blockade missions focus *more* on cargo and logistics. Bringing in a big cargo ship with a strong escort is going to save you a lot of time and avoid potentially losing cargo. But it would be weird for an event involving blockades and pirates to have no combat.

Seems a common theme.

@@hunteriv4869 And why not buy needed supplies from somewhere and zip in quickly?

Also why does Nick Wardle sound like a Jarvis style ai! I want my in game Alexa to be voiced by him! 😂

Combat will always be possible, but I think they should have a whole separate team that designs missions under the premise "what are the most fun and interesting missions we can design, if there were NO SUCH THING AS COMBAT in this entire game?"

I'm sure it's within their ability to iterate on blockade runner and add more over time.

I love how they say these are weeks away. Soon they'll accounce this is going to be the Citcon patch lol

I’m with you on #2 except that running solo, you’d still need to deal with the blockade ships (which is fine). It should be about breaking thru the blockade to deliver necessities

I dont understand how a statement like that was approved for the video.

Our game is too combat focused what can we do ? Make a combat event !

Lmao

cant wait for it.. fill my ship 45min with cargo while it explodes randomly

Exactly. Where is tonyZ? Where are actual economy missions/mechanism? We get instead another buggy, boring michael bay episode with a different flavor.

However, you can play squash in the hold of the carrack

if it makes you feel any better now , the boxes from these missions do not attatch to any cargo grid so you can just slam em into your hangar fine lol

@@Cmdr_V really?! That's wonderful news. It's not 456 SCU of space, but it's a lil bit Thanks for the heads up!

@@AlphaCitizen yeah even for hauling missions you can make it work by loading/unloading your carrack with a Argo tractor , it's so far from practical but it will actually get you some practice with it

@@Cmdr_V well, that's something at least! I thought she would be in dry dock all patch. Might take her out for some missions now. Thanks for reply, fellow Carrack lover! o7

ya, they never kill you.

The point is to test it and get people to want to test it... people still seem to miss this game is still testing things.

We have heard the players' concerns and complaints about elevators, and our dev teams are hard at work creating more and bigger elevators. Elevators for ships. Elevators for cargo. You get an Elevator! You get an Elevator! Elevators all the way down!

@@asiftalpur3758 because they would be doing double work, if they focused on stability to the point of making it near perfect, they would have to do that every single time they drop a patch. Making development take longer. Every patch destabilizes games and is full of bugs. Even blizzard 15 years after they released the content, re-released Classic, every patch, even though they already released it before, had bugs and stability problems and they had to scramble to fix them. And that was just the re-release of a completed game.

Evo here - the cargo elevators are currently one of the least buggy things in the builds.

We all know who wins that battle.

@andyandreson3989 I'd love to refute that but me and my buddy ran into the same elevator a little too fast on New Babbage... and now I'm observing MicroTech from it's core.

@@dasbooterror learn to look before you leap lol

This was filmed two weeks ago.

@@Billy-bc8pk Probably later. It seems to react to reaction to SCL two weeks ago, so it's probably less - I really hope we are not still weeks away from cargo missions, especially as they already are at Evocati stage.

As owner of both an Apollo and a Vulcan i wholeheartedly agree that SAR missions would be cool. As long as there will be other settings than just space battles and pirate attacks

@@cv368 Indeed. Thus the (sometimes). Only a very small percentage of rescue operations should have that thrown into the mix.

fantastic idea

Great idea, hope this makes its way to CIG. I'm sure they are tossing around a lot of ideas for later, when more of the mechanics are fleshed out. Someone else mentioned a Hurston worker uprising... after we get restraints and non-lethal weapons there could be an event where you sign up to help the workers, or help Hurston. Helping Hurston, you're subduing, restraining, and detaining people. Helping the workers, you're bringing medical aid and supplies, helping to secure territory, hacking systems to claim them for the workers, etc.

@@wengaiden one may say "unexpectedly profitable"

no point in stealing those commodities they are only worth 30% of the value

Well what do you really want from a cargo event? Everyone gets in their cargo ships and fly from A to B?

​@zachx1933 I don't really see a need for cargo mission right now, since we still only have one star system to haul this cargo to and from.

@@zachx1933 Well, that´s probably the same lack of vision that lead CIG to this event...

@@zachx1933 Yeah dude these space truckers are the most boring people on the planet. Their idea of a good time is roleplaying a warehouse worker.

@@zachx1933 That is exactly what they want. Look at Elite, people doing "strategic" cargo hauling while hiding in a solo instance. Great "gameplay".

Cargo loading is very drawn out now. I have managed to load 4 cans onto a C2 before the server crashed again. I was unable to test getting cargo from an outpost because various bugs prevented me from getting there.

@@carstenschops7797 So, no improvements since 3.17

@@carstenschops7797 yeah just watching them load this all manually is just frustrating. It would be nice if there was some balance between realism and the fact that this is a game and maybe we all don't want to spend 30 minutes moving boxes with a laser beam, just to crash...

@@carstenschops7797 A good majority of bugs is just the server being overloaded with content. This is why server meshing is needed so badly, and why we don't have hundreds of missions yet.

cap

Lol, yea... Basacly...

I think, from what I've seen, that that will come with specialised mobiglases

Can you not see it in knick knacks or is that gone with the 3.23/3.24 changes?

@@kitsterlingstratton2859 Pretty sure it shows in Nik Nax/Assets. That app is admittedly pretty clunky and awful to use, but works "well enough" in a pinch.

I want to see how many people want to do this over combat. I bet the number is staggering.

@@CallMeTeach2 I mean, it's a two-way process - you create a universe design where different things exist, people who start doing those things will emerge. The numbers should not be decisive given how CIG constantly says they want a "living, breathing" universe design of a social simulation. You can't have that if you only facilitate combat content.

word

Any kind of anti-hurston faction would be a hit. Huge potential for setting up missions and pvp or pve gameplay there.

Yes, PLEASE!

I hope so tbh

​@@NexusGamingRadical Normally it's an event with a part /mission for the illegal side

For xenothreat there is no PvP side meant to be so not PvP should be there but for blockade normally there is a illegal mission .

@@twilink5810 Blockade was ninetails not xenothreat.

Pvpers need heavier punishment when at these PVE teamwork events

All going away eventually

@@CallMeTeach2 Heard that before....

not anymore since we will need tractor beams to move the boxes.

you can already use tractor beams inside your hagar...

@@epidemicstudios It's in the 3.24 patch.

They changed the law system, you are now allowed to tractor away the garbage ships(in 3.24).

@@Schadowofmorning That is some welcome news! Can you shoot them if your ship doesn't have a tractor beam?

@@Schadowofmorning need to buyback my SRV now!!!

​@@wavion2yes

@@kungfuhiker8793 Dont. "Master" modes thinks the tractor is a weapon, so you cannot use it to tow something in quantum. Stupidest limitation ive ever seen. Get a Vulture instead.

But it’s not

I sang this

they have more important things to be doing than making marketing videos

@@Vidz0022 This development update video is to inform the backers so that they aren't kept in the dark about the progress of the game, which is what backers complained about for years.

@@Vidz0022 Yeah they could be using their time off and free time for their own ends but instead they do this for us. Content like this is extracurricular for them.

​@@Vidz0022 dude I agree man they should be fixing this mess they call a game

Stop giving crappy devs praise for crappy work man it's been many years and the game is a wreck

this is not it.

I'm also so happy to not use my carrack cargo space !!

Carrack needs love 😢

The carrack sucks as a ship anyway

I hope they do the rework soon

You can have loading/unloading done for you in the 3.24 patch. They've reported this several times, and it's been known for ages that this would be the necessary temporary solution until older ships that were ready for physical cargo get their updates. Your Carrack still has loads of uses.

Get off your knees

@@USArmy31 Cope

@@USArmy31 his c2 is full of ppl on their knees

​@@USArmy31 Cope

yes, bernie sanders

@@mndeg I’m not sure what u mean

You have received more answers to your question than CIG gave to the evocati asking the same question.

Use your tractor beam to hit them with a box until they leave you alone or leave this mortal coil

When I played xeno I was the only person there and instantly got killed repeatedly

bad servers xD

Everyone brought the point of thieves and ship intruders up, The response from CIG was deafing silence.

@@carstenschops7797 You don't even need to really steal it in the classic sense. Going by what the Evos found out in the current patch you can simply walk up to the terminal for the freight elevator that someone else called up with cargo and send it back down, which will transfer the stuff that's on the elevator to your own inventory.

@@Enakaji I'm sure they will fix that soon.

falling asleep

They don't... taking cargo that's for a mission you have not accepted... is stealing, which is what those people will get. A crimestat. Personally, I'm all for it. True freedom with consequences. We just need hi-sec and low-sec systems established in the game for this to be smoother for players. Want safety at the cost of low profits? stay in hi-sec areas. Want high profits? Go to low-sec places, but best to bring escort.

@@DavidLimaGoncalves "True freedom with consequences." - How about just give us the freedom to defend ourselves? The current system sure doesn't seem very "free", at all. lol Free to watch your stuff get blown up by NPC's and douchebags, is more like it.

@@realtimbotube The current system is a placeholder. Armistice zones were always planned to be temporary measures until proper consequence and the law system could take over.

@@DavidLimaGoncalvesat least try to understand the problem. Talking big about freedom while crippling the trader. Why an armistice zone? Why not allowing the trader to blow up POS trying to steal their goods? Instead its no risk and maximum profit for anybody who is fast enough to press a button.

​@@DavidLimaGoncalvesthey need to make things for avoiding this type of stealing especially for missions like plyers can't interact on the console if a player is already on the pad.

You use the Drake Mule when you have a mission box and want it to get stuck and unrecoverable so you fail the mission.

LTI Token.

It was filler work to onboard new designers and artists, as are most small craft that are used as "break periods" between larger, more complex deliverables (big ships). This has always been the case, and will always be the case: they have explained how this works in literally almost every single discussion about the ship teams. Literally every single time the ship teams have talked publicly about large vs small deliverables, they have explained this universal fact of game development.

@@RosscoAW That's hardly a reason for not putting a gravity beam on the mule.

It's the smallest vehicle that has an enclosed cockpit. Fits in the vulture, Cutty Red, walkway of a C2 between the cargo grids, and it looks awesome with the green Halloween skin.

Using a Hull C in one system doesn't make any sense to begin with. It should've waited to come out until we had more systems for it to travel to. It's useless right now and it'll stay that way until it has longer travel times through other systems.

They said just in the last week that they have a team actively working on a rework of docking right now, and that it's a high priority. Not surprising, as it'll also be needed so they can release the Legionnaire soon-ish. I don't recall if the placeholder Hull C cargo loading mechanic was also getting any love RN.

@@CallMeTeach2 Why doesn't it make sense? What if there are several Iron mines on moons around a planet and another planet uses that iron, in massive quantities, to build oh...I don't know C2/M2/A2s (Crusader) or Weapons (Hurston). Wouldn't the most efficient way to move the iron from one planet to another or all other planets in a single route be in a Hull?

and thank God we didn't get that kind of trash

@@msbolan you must be a new backer….

@@USArmy31 Clearly, LMAO!

@@11sHangar give him about 5 months he will change his tune. The honeymoon period will end very very soon

"Bravely bold Sir Robin, rode forth from Camelot....."

@@USArmy31 Facts!

They've got nothing to show. Next patch is going to be hangars that were already implemented in the game years ago.

​@@realtimbotube Remember when they talked about modular hangars since 2013? Wow, so much progress. Honestly don't know what these guys get paid for. Evocati is showing that the whole cargo elevator and inventory system is a buggy disaster, as usual with CIG. Don't worry we'll make issue council reports that will get 1000's of votes and they'll stay broken for 12 months+.

They do have a weight limit. The ptv or stv is their limit in terms of weight then you move up to the 2 handed version to lift tanks and even some smaller ships

The tractor beam is totally normal though, but imagining a tractor beam that can make a large weight more manageable is where you draw the line I guess.

@@jful yea in lore it's supposed to be from manipulating gravity fields using the powerful battery's in the gun but the battery's currently aren't used but I think they said in 3.24 that the consumption will be turned on so at least it's not a forever beam currently

There's no universe without his tech...

I think it's pretty clear at this point. He's either there and completely out of the picture (which I can't believe) or gone.

He's there. SpaceTomato's community confirmed it when they said he was seen and talked to in person in TX.

On the CiG page he's listed as being in charge of PU. At least a few weeks ago when I last looked.

I think they stopped letting Tony Z talk on camera, because he was too open. Talked too much about things they wanted to do but may or may not deliver. He'll probably get a panel at CitizenCon though.

I wish that too, but I won't be holding my breath.

Keep dreaming

I mean, you got one here, but it's more focused on combat.

bernie sanders will stop them

Luckily, this will not happen at outposts without an armistice where you could defend your cargo. These outposts do not sell items any more.

@@carstenschops7797 So you are.saying that when we are given a mission to fetch some iron, as in the example in the video, we won't be going to a mining outpost?

I was unable to verify this so far, but the armistice at bigger outposts is still present. My guess is: yes, you are screwed. Also, boarding ships is really easy now since they have to be open for extended periods of time..

apparently if you call up cargo in an elevator another player can just run up to the terminal send it back down and then it is theirs. i call that peak game design.

Presumably, that is theft, and the law engine knows it's theft. If you are getting commodity delivery missions from Contracts that track "pre-purchased" cargo crates that are explicitly flagged as stolen if they are stolen, then I think it's pretty safe to say that exact same tech will be used for player theft. Somebody has boxes called up from an elevator, and you tractor beam them out of their elevator, and you aren't in their party? Law violation. Presumably, they will permit you to defend goods from being stolen: which is to say, if somebody tractors or grabs one of your flagged cargo in an area that has law enforcement (which nearly all landing pads, and every single hangar, does) you can then shoot them in the head, legally. I think shooting a thief in the head is a pretty good protection against theft. Conversely, if the area is more threatening then just a single other player, you'll probably just *not use the hangar and avoid the risk of theft and/or death.* Literally all of that sounds exactly like the intended gameplay loops, to me. I don't know where you could be getting the idea from that *every single time you use the cargo elevators you are going to have an absolute 0% chance of player theft occurring,* when it's pretty obvious that they don't intend the system to be theft proof, given that would be a reduction of viable gameplay loops, and we know full well they intend for piracy and outlawry to be a fully legitimate gameplay style. TL:DR: He's getting robbed, and he can defend himself. If he fails to defend his cargo, it's going to get stolen. That's how theft works.

Nothing.

Nothing but they did say it won’t be worth much to take and sell so not much point to do so but to mess with someone

Your conscience.

Cool story bro 👍

I mean it's only the dynamic event that is PvP directive. The hauling missions generally aren't combat focused.

Cig feels more PvP is a better game. Most the devs love PvP they want more PvP than PVE.

Yes...

Half the video is about being space trucking and not just the dynamic event.

Transportation could’ve included so many loop related, interesting mechanics. Different goods you can transport (not only boxes), sensitivity of cargo, finally some news on tony z’s economy mechanics, ingame tools for the economy/trading etc. Instead we get ferrying differently colored boxes from a to b (something we did already before but with our own money as merchants) and another pewpew event.

Space trucking missions are literally on the PTU right now and will release to the PU with the 3.24 patch.

Bet you're looking forward to having a celebratory drink with her for the 1.0 release!

@@gratchhalloway4463 congrats!

Either you have to be full of p00p, or you have some very interesting life priorities.

@@jful Looks that way!

Yeah it's insane how bad the cargo team is at balancing literally anything in this game

Starcitizen disrespecting player time? heavens no. Say it isn't so!

​@@dasbooterrorplay idle clicker games instead

o7 DigThat!

It tells me to translate your comment to English. Hahaha but it is.

Was thinking the same.

You f*ing know it. But the RAFT still won't have it's tractor beam.

@@Ace-Brigadeand the Cats tractor beams still will be useless. But hey! Get a C2! 😂

The RAFT, Caterpillar, and indeed *most* ships are only available for purchase for limited time periods throughout the year. This has always been the case. Either watch special event announcements on the main page of CIG's site, and whatever ships may be available during that event, or come back during IAE in November when EVERYTHING is available.

@@suboptimal4539 lol, I mean I already have one of those too. Doesn't make me any less frustrated that they didn't fix the one ship they literally sold for this next upcoming patch.

Combat. They have to include combat in everything.