Link to get your tickets: inspiringphilosophy.org/bigdebate/

For everyone who is mad at IP for not challenging Ehrman let’s take a second to recognize that Ehrman is a scholar who has devoted his life to this work and IP has not devoted his life to this particular form of scholarship. What can we honestly expect IP to argue or ask that Ehrman wouldn’t have had an answer for? If our faith in Christ is justified then listening to opposing views shouldn’t shake us. Great video!

Personally, what most people don't realize is that the book of Revelation is like most of the Bible. It talks of the past, present AND future. It's intertwined within the conversation.

To understand Revelation, you must have a good understanding of the rest of the Bible.

I like Bart Erhman but he stated that no one interpreted the Book of Revelation as speaking of future events until the French Revolution, where does he get this idea from? He’s an expert on Antiquity but doesn’t he know that the earliest commentaries on Revelation such as Hippolytus of Rome and his teacher Irenaeus of Lyons both believed that events of Revelation was suppose too happen after the fall of the Roman Empire. Later in the 5th century the Idealist interpretation was made popular by Augustine but there were still many who believed it too be speaking of future events, such as Andrew of Caesarea’s commentary on Revelation.

It's so amazing to see the mutual respect between these two people, despite their huge disagreements. I'm sure IP interviewed the most infamous critic of Christianity on purpose here - To show how we can learn even from an atheist professor, and build bridges even with critics :)

The argument that Revelation was written in 'bad' Greek completely ignores the genre of Jewish Greek, i.e. that Greek which is (deliberately/necessarily) pervaded with Hebraistic usage of the language, due to tendencies to favor the Semitic rather than Hellensitic influences of the culture, or simple inability to make use of native Greek, depending instead on readable Greek intended for Jewish/Semitic audiences, or at least written by a Semite. I can't believe 'Greek scholars' are still saying stuff like this.

Early in the video, Dr. Ehrman said the prophetic interpetation began in the 1800s, but then later he said the Protestant Reformation viewed the beast to be the Pope. But the Protestant Reformation happened a couple hundred years before the time stated for the beginning of the belief the book was prophetic. Did I miss something?

I am not a Christian, but I appreciate your content, IP! 👍I came across your content a few years ago when I was considering Christianity again.

Not gonna lie, I don't really respect his ability to interpret scripture seeing as he's a guy who says Mark has a low christology among other things. Getting the right reading from manuscripts is one thing, but getting the meaning from them is another.

Rev. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="79">1:19</a>: Write therefore the things: -Which you have seen -Which are -Which shall take place after these (or about to take place). I think it’s both the things that were clear for the reader at the time and things that would happen in the future.

While I do believe the book of Revelation is about future events, I really enjoy this channel and support IP financially. Thanks Michael

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="893">14:53</a> Thank you for asking that question Michael, as a former JW it's very nice to see a scholar address this

I am a born again, spirit filled Christian. I have no other God except Jesus. I have no hope except for Him. It breaks my heart that Bart identifies himself as an agnostic. Bart is a scholar. His early contributions to academia are significant. Hopefully his bad philosophy will encourage us to be better stewards of God's word instead of passively accepting whatever we hear. Its ok to listen to Bart and be upset by his doctrine. Now is the time to accept the challenge and dig deep into scripture. Now is the time to make God's word more precious than your daily bread. Pray for Bart, right now he is Saul, pray that Jesus would touch his heart and create a Paul.

“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.” ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="134">2:14</a>-16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Already but not yet. It's hard to understand but it's the correct way to look at revelation in my opinion.

This will be interesting for sure. I think atheist Bible scholarship is a good way to try and get a proper understanding of the text without reading modern theology back into the original documents. No one's perfect but both sides coming together certainly are less biased than one side doing all the work

Bart is a weasel when it comes to presenting evidence in its full context. Mike Winger has done an amazing job breaking many of Barts deceptions.

I think the comment sections "interesting" is a good word. He's a scholar for sure but a highly refuted one. Will at minimum be interesting to hear though

This was interesting. However, I don’t see a conflict between viewing Revelation as both symbolic and about the future. It is not a literal verse by verse of the future, yet it does appear to show things yet to come, by taking soteriology to its fullest. And it is somewhat of a misnomer to say that the Brits first significantly read Revelation as prophecy. There were large groups since the Church Fathers who took it as something more than just a lesson, while it is mainly a lesson, even throughout the Middle Ages. Regardless, this discussion is very important, and I am always glad when someone talks about Revelation and they get the Mark of the Beast right. Ps. Dr. Licona spoke about Mark, and Dr. Ehrman spoke about the Mark of the Beast.😁

IP is such an unbelievable channel ‼️ May Jesus Christ bless you brother 💕

IP, appreciate hearing from an educated man on The Book of Revelation.

So much for all the fathers who interpreted Revelation as speaking of the end times antichrist.

This is actually why I listen to this channel. It’s so important to hear the other side. Erhman is not an enemy, rather someone who is asking the hard questions that every Christian should be able to answer.

Rev.<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="79">1:19</a> - Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. 1. Write the things which you have seen = chapter 1 2. The things which are = Wait for a moment 3. The things which will take place after this = see chapter <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="241">4:1</a> (“Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”) That means that "The things which are" must be chapters 2 and 3. These chapters are talking about 7 churches. Reading this chapters, there is no specific message per church. It's a general message for all churches of all times. This time frame off churches will be over one day. Starting with chapter four, the church cannot be found in the story further. This is when "Lord’s Day'' (<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="70">1:10</a>), which also is announced in the old testament.

Proverbs 9: 10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 12: 5The thoughts of the righteous are right: but the counsels of the wicked are deceit. 1 John 2: 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (KJV)

The interesting thing is we live in a time when even many non Christians can realistically anticipate a time when those who don't have a machine readable mark in their forehead or on their hand will be denied the right to buy. We saw a crude approximation of this during the pandemic. The necessary technology will be in place when governments adopt digital currencies and do away with cash.

Ehrman would’ve made an amazing apologist. Despite devoting his work to NT criticism, he is one of my most beloved and admirable skeptics I’ve watched, next to Jeff Lowder and Jordan Peterson

Great video IP. Thanks for practicing the principle of charity and letting Bart Ehrman speak without trying to refute.

Great discussion. A lot of well known pastors today have abysmal sermon series on Revelation, (Greg Locke, Greg Laurie) but guys like Matt Chandler and Voddie Baucham dispel a lot of the lies that modern evangelicals believe about the book. I would definitely check them out

Good interview, Dr. Erhman is a big deal! Keep up the great work 👍

The early church and all the saints and elders and disciples of the apostles believed the “prophetic” interpretation of the book of revelation. So yeah

I appreciate the input of all scholars on this topic - great interview IP! I am actually open to revelation describing past events but also describing future events. The biggest question mark in my head with Rome being the beast system is that it didn't fulfill all the criteria of being the beast system. Also, repeatedly in the OT specific place names are given when referring to the 'end times', which are all middle east centric (most of which are in modern day Turkey). Keep such great content coming out IP!

Thank you for interviewing Dr. Bart Ehrman and being fair to him, he's a great biblical scholar. Too many Christians hold his atheism against him and don't consider the merits of his scholarship, even though it's not that different from the general consensus of mainline Protestant scholarship in general.

Really good stuff man. Thanks for having this conversation.

I take everything Ehrman says with a grain of salt.

Interesting that a Christian and an atheist can have a honest dialogue dispite not sharing the same view. But it's very hard to have a honest dialogue if it is with a Muslim.

This is fantastic. Thank you!

Birds of the same feather flock together

I am a Christian and while I obviously don't agree, I love to hear a qualified person like Bart Ehrman speak on these things. He's probably my favorite anti-christian scholar.

And now we hopefully see IP's response to the claims made in video form. I think people don't understand that this is an interview, not a debate.

Right, sooooo. Does anyone else see Bart as IP from the future?

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="395">6:35</a> what a silly question ⁉️ A atheist without The Spirit can't guide the church, you should be ashamed of yourself. Revelation <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1205">20:5</a> But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. After the 1000 year reign if that's NOT FUTURE then ip is an atheist to me

Ehrman fails big time. Obviously the Book of Revelations starts describing their present, but it also talks about the future. Revelations 20 even talks about 1000 years. The Fathers of the Church and the early Christians believed in the prophetic nature of the final part of Revelations. When was a fourth of the Earth killed in 70 aC? NEVER! (Rev. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="368">6:8</a>) Soooo, no, Ehrman fails again.

Great work as usual!

Interesting. Any books you recommend on Revelation? Besides this new one, of course.

I would love to see you interview Ehrman for longer on another topic. Also, is there any book you recommend reading for understanding Revelations?

It's a shame this man, seemingly a very good man, has fallen away from his faith

Christ was crucified so 2000 years later an atheist can tell us what the Bible means. How we grieve his sacred heart. But does anybody really care? Who really cares about truth?

Thank Elohim for his Holy Spirit who had revealed secret and mysterious things to us, because of His mercy and grace. I can't imagine how depressed I would have been, listening to these two guys as described in Romans <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="82">1:22</a>, without any clear understanding from the book of Revelation. Poor Bart Erham says 'the beast is the Romans'!!! Thank Elohim for his word that says ' Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. Christ revealed what nation the beast is, in Revelation <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="132">2:12</a> & 13 - And to the angel of the church in PERGAMOS write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where SATAN'S SEAT IS: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where SATAN DWELLETH. Revelation <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="782">13:2</a> - And the beast ( Antichrist) which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the DRAGON ( SATAN) gave him his POWER, and HIS SEAT, and GREAT AUTHORITY. According to these 2 scripture verses, Satan's seat is in 'Pergamos', and the location of Pergamos today is in Turkey NOT the old Roman empire!

It's one thing to be a preterist. It's another thing to be a preterist while believing that Revelation was written in the 90's, THREE DECADES after the events it's supposedly describing! There's a reason every Christian preterist believes it was written around the year 64, because otherwise it's NOT a prophetic book, but just a weird cryptic history book! You can be a Christian and believe Revelation mostly describes events in our past, but you can't believe it describes events in John's past! Ehrman's book (like almost all of his books) is meant to undermine the truth of Christianity. As for 666 referring to Nero, Christian preterists argue that John is identifying Nero in code because he was alive and persecuting Christians when John is writing his letter, but if it wasn't really written until about 30 years later what would be the point in being so cryptic? Why wouldn't he just openly name him? Ehrman acts as if all scholars agree that 666 = Nero, and that the only reason anyone disagrees is because they're ignorant fundamentalist hillbillies. There are significant problems with this interpretation: why would the Greek Christians who would have received this letter would be engaging in gematria, which is specifically adding up the values of letters in the Hebrew alphabet? It would be much more natural to assume that they would be practicing isopsephism, which is adding up the values of Greek letters, since that's the language Revelation was written in and what the original recipients read. But scholars reject that because Nero Caesar in Greek doesn't add up to 666, but notice how that's a circular argument! Even if we grant this unlikely scenario that the original audience practiced gematria, when we transliterate Nero Caesar into Hebrew it still doesn't add up to 666! It only adds up to 616 in Hebrew, so preterists (once again making a circular argument) propose that it should be spelled Neron Caesar, (which even preterist, Kenneth Gentry, admits is not a common spelling), but even then it adds up to 676! LOL! Then they want to take the letter "yodh" out of his name (since it has a value of 10), and there is literally one fragment of a manuscript from the Dead Sea Scrolls that contains the preterist Goldilock's spelling (although that could just be from being damaged!), and that is the evidence behind Ehrman's belief that 666 refers to Nero! But who cares what the actual evidence is? The scholars have spoken, you ignorant, backwards fundies! Funny how Ehrman asserts that the futurist reading of Revelation didn't come about until 19th century fundamentalism, even though the first generation of Christians after the death of the apostles, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, etc. believed in a future tribulation involving a future antichrist and a future abomination of desolation taking place in a future rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, just like today's premillennialists! Sure, Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the Apostle John, but I guess Polycarp forgot to tell him that the events of Revelation already happened! Oopsie! BTW, who were the first people to interpret 666 as referring to Nero? Some German scholars in the 1830's! Ha ha!

I like the InspiringPhilosophy channel and respect Bart Ehrman but with regard to this topic he is wrong on the critical point of dating the Revelation and its authorship. The Greek style does not match in John and Revelation because the Gospel of John was originally penned in Hebrew by John and then translated into very literal and formal Greek. Revelation was penned in Greek by John long after he wrote his gospel hence the poor grammar and structure of the Greek. Revelation was written about AD 66. I strongly urge you to familiarize yourself with the work of Professor Bruce Gore on this topic. He has posted his university lectures on the Book of Revelation on KZfaq (60+ videos of over one -two hours in duration). His scholarship on this topic is exhaustive and simply without peer. I also highly recommend his other work also available on his channel. Please do your viewers a great service and interview Professor Gore on this critical topic. If you are a Christian then you absolutely must watch the Bruce Gore series on Revelation. It will blow your mind and bring you to a much deeper understanding of both the Old Testament and New Testament and the nature of the unfolding of the Kingdom of God in time and space.

Dude this guy hugely missleads people

WHY?

Partial preterist/post mill here. Love the content very much, so much wisdom here from both sides

Quick question from a layman: how can the book not be about the future but yet God will destroy the planet. Cause last I checked the planet wasn’t destroyed in the past 2000 years. Likewise, doesn’t that also call into question what Peter had written, about the coming day of the Lord. Just asking as someone without a doctorate It distinctly seems in this discussion that neither of you have considered that the book of revelations was both concurrent and predictive. Two things can be true at once.

Revelation <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1206">20:6</a> makes me believe that it is future.

Fascinating to me is that this professor is looking for similarities between the Gospel of John, and the Revelation of Jesus, authored by John. When we know that Biblical authors tended to dictate to those who wrote for them; Paul is an excellent example. I would surmise that by the time you get to the writer of Revelation, you have the possibility of a very old author dictating to a different scribe from that of the Gospel. As for this professor, I'd be careful about people who don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus, Paul calls this the crux of our Faith on which it literally rises or falls and defines whether our Faith is true. At least he admits he's an agnostic, so I take what he has to say with the same weight as the admitted used car salesman who says he has a great deal for me; i will listen but with greater criticality.

Why would Christians turn to an unbeliever for an explanation on the book of Revelation? It wasn't written to unbelievers, but to the church.

but PROPHESYING SERVES NOT for them that BELIEVE NOT, BUT for them WHICH BELIEVE. 1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="241">4:1</a> Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="242">4:2</a> Hereby know you the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="243">4:3</a> And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 Corinthians <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="862">14:22</a> Why tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serves not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Forgive me if I don't consider Ehrman the least bit credible or authoratative..

Bart might be wrong and IP is just gitty about it...what a nice gesture. I take the eclectic approach on reading revelation where it combines the preterist and futurists view. It sure does gives an account of the 1st century occurances Haha..?/ But it is to be recited throughout the ages

Why would you have Bart Ehrman talk on Revelation? Why not have Dawkins do a talk on Genesis? The whole point of Revelation is to do with future events, a future one world dictatorship, preceding the ending of the world, everything is wrapped up in the supernatural, considering visions and prophecies, its nothing to do with having X amount head knowledge, that is beside the point, and useless in interpreting, and having an agnostic who has absurd claims on the Resurrection and the life of Christ, give a biased, eisegesis of the text on their very human, dry, worldly interpretation of a book based on supernatural occurances! You cannot use a paper scissors, man centered approach, all scripture is either inspired by the Spirit of God, (not a typical book written by a historical biographer) or it is a mere invention by a man. Consider it for what it is, and what the author intended! It most certainly is about future events, the opening chapters are about Domitian's persecution on the "Lordy day" when all believers were forced to bow down and worship the image of the caesar, and how a man called Antipas was martyred, then its a revelation of Jesus talking to John about the 7 Churches of Asia Minor, but after that it moves to heavenly events, talks about Satan's attack on the Church (possibly on Jesus when he was about to be born) but then switches to future events after that, as it talks about the systematic destruction of the earth, disaster by disaster and the judgment of the inhabitants of mankind. God wraps everything up and returns to Earth!

Bart Ehrman reminds me of the atheist community college professor trying to debunk the faith of young naive evangelicals. He even has the scoffing laugh. Lol

This will be interesting

I love how he says we definitely know Revelations wasn't written by the Apostle John, even though the vast majority of scholars still hold the view it was, and it was known to be written by him as far back as the second century AD. There are a lot of reasons why grammar changes could exist other than a different author - perhaps he was reciting it to someone else to transcribe as he got very old, or perhaps the original was not in Greek, etc. Academics that make blanket statements like "we know" or "for certain" when their opinion is a minority one, come across as pretentious

Get your theology from the Saints and Church Fathers, not Bart Ehrman.

I'm an evangelical Christian and I don't see any problem with the responses to Mike's questions here.

What if the apostle John had someone write the gospel for him and he himself wrote revelation after thinking himself learned enough that’s why the gospel would be better than the other book in terms of writing

The Shroud of Turin is enough to convince me that Jesus rose.

In ancient times, a mark on the right hand or forehead was a symbol of slavery. It was usually the name of the slave's master. We can see this in the Elephantine Papyri from the Persian period: "(I) On the 20th of Siwan,[1] that is the 7th day of Phamenoth,[2] the year 38 of King Artaxerxes[3]--at that time, (2) Meshullam son of Zakkur, a Jew of the fortress Elephantine, of the detachment of Arpakhu said to the woman Tapmut (as she is called), (3) his slave,[4] who has on her right hand the marking "Of Meshullam," as follows:" - (Manumission of a Female Slave and her Daughter, 427 BCE)

Wasn't the 'materialistic' (symbolic) vision of heaven a promise of what followed "denial of self?" Rather than being in opposition of it? Is he being honest?

If you want a real insight about what Ehrman actually things of revelation, here’s an excerpt from his blog a year ago before writing this book: “For the past year or so I’ve been thinking harder and harder about the book, reading it carefully in Greek, taking notes on what I read, reading what scholars have long said about it, and seeing what other observers have written, including non-biblical scholars who were/are nonetheless incredibly insightful readers of texts, including some household names (in a later post I may be discussing D. H. Lawrence!). I have come to realize that I do not revere, respect, or even like this book any more. I think it is a horrible depiction of God, portraying him as a ruthless tyrant who absolutely detests anyone who does not worship him with all their heart and soul, who wants not just to crush all opposition but to torture everyone who does not believe in Jesus.” Seems a tad disingenuous to me.

It is about the future.

A key to understanding Revelation is found in the reason for why it was written. Audience relevance. It was for first century believers.

I'm curious as to how the seven seals in the first part of Revelation could be interpreted as anything other than a future end-of-days. It boggles the mind, so I look forward to reading this book.

Bart Erhman, who wrote Misquoting Jesus, believes the gospels were written by others, and thought Mark wrote that Jesus walked the earth with no idea what he was doing is going to tell us what's in Revelation?

The fact that Erhman thinks Revelation was only read as a prediction of the future since the 19th century really makes me wonder why he’s taken so seriously. Even a casual reading leaves one with the impression that it’s about the future.

Nero died in 68AD. Revelation was written in 95AD. How hard did he actually study?

I might have about 10,000 hours of study into the Bible. I don't think an atheist will have much influence on my understanding.

Inspiring philosophy, after watching this video, and seeing You, and Bart Ehrman talk. You have me now in a hole of *doubt* . You have me now Completely questioning the book of revelations. Led me to basically Definitely discount it. -And you have me now wondering about claims of others' that Jesus's prophecy of him coming back never happened...and thus...well, didn't happen. Followers of Christ were so disillusioned when the romans wrecked jerusalem in 70 A.D. and well nothing actually happened regarding Jesus returning as he himself had said he would. ....oh well......

Paul rightly said that if Christ was not raised from the dead, Christians are the most to be pitied. Since we live in a society which tends to embrace naturalism and deny all miraculous events, I am not sure I see the value of promoting someone, learned or otherewise, who just promotes the status quo view. Paul also said that if I have all knowledge and have not love, I gain nothng, and am as sounding brass. That's what this dude, with his near incessant giggling, seems to me to be. Usually IP makes good use of his platform, promoting this guy and his next book, doesn't seem like good use to me.

Okay, scholars agree 666 points to Nero who reigned 15 December AD 37 - 9 June AD 68. That dates the book. If you carefully read the address to the seven churches you will notice these Christians are Jewish congregations. Hence Revelation was very early in Christian history, prior to the destruction of the temple which is still standing when the book was written. This would be nonsensical to the Gentile dominated church in the late 1st century. Even if written as a prophecy after the fact, it would be very early, shortly after 70 A.D., for the same reason, the Gentile dominated early church wouldn't even be looking for an explanation.

Not even watching. This is a guy who thinks Jesus said he'd return before disciples died. Not so. He can't even understand what the kingdom is in Matthew 16 etc. And never sought out the matter. Bible explains itself . Any questions?

Erhman's incessant cackling comes through as a constant mockery of all things Christian. I'm not sure why, recently it has become neccessary for Christian apologist to give the enemies of Christ a platform to tear down the very foundations of Christianity. A 7 hour debate to basically discredit the resurrection of Christ, especially during the Easter season, leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. I'm not a huge fan of Licona, and so, with the high apostacy rates these days, this fiasco will surely result in more folk leaving the faith than the other way around.... My opinion and I hope I'm absolutely wrong.

I think my only problem with this video so far is it doesn’t feel like an “interview”. It feels like IP started this video with a specific view of revelation and is using an atheist scholar to affirm that view. (The view of revelation not being future).

I believe it was the apostle John who wrote the book of Revelation as there are a lot of similar terms used between both books. The reason why the Greek in Revelation is questionable is because John is writing and utilizing the language of a prophet and not as a eyewitness like the Gospel. He is breaking all the rules of Greek in order to employ the office of an Old Testament prophet. That is why the imagery of Revelation can be found throughout the Old Testament and our understanding of Revelation can be found throughout the Old Testament which was primarily (but not fully) fulfilled in the 1st Century.

Nero died in 68 AD whereas the book of Revelation was believed to be written in 96 AD. Why mention a dude subtly who's been dead for 3 decades? Am I missing something guys??

Hard pass the guy doesn’t believe Jesus rose from the grave how much can i get out of his interpretation of his second coming? Lol

I watched this earlier and really enjoyed it- I love Dr. Ehrman! Came back to see how the comments were 😅 I've only read Revelation once in the two years I've been a Christian, so I don't know much about it yet, except that it is full of Old Testament allusions. I don't know much about interpreting it as past events, or that interpreting it otherwise is a relatively recent shift in theology. This was really interesting and I would definitely like to read Dr. Ehrman's upcoming book on it. And research further in the meantime! Looking forward to his debate with Dr. Licona, too!

Revelation references numerous prophecies that are given throughout the Old Testament. If you are not familiar with the Old Testament, you will have no idea what revelation is talking about. As for the idea that Ehrman has, which is that Revelation makes God look spiteful, petty, and cruel, he seems to have not read many passages in the bible that make it clear that God hates those who disrespect him.

Taterhead is a blasphemer.

Excelent Michael thanks for the interview. Take a look at Dr. Kenneth L Gentry for an interesting view of Revelation. Keep up the good work 👌🏻

Not a bad interview. IP, my feelings towards you vacillate but I find you to be a person of integrity. You have great insights and you offer perspectives that cause us to think. Please, keep up the good work.

Dr Bart Ehrman is one of the best Bible scholars out there. Honestly I love it since he doesn’t have a denomination to support meaning his work is as authentic as possible. I have seen a couple of his debates, he is very good, we cannot take that away from him.

Is the topic really something to laugh about?

I know from personal experience that the messiah did resurrect and is alive for evermore just like the Bible says he is. I was in the spirit and I touched his robe, fell to my knees and wept. He said to me “Do what was undone”. I felt myself falling and I was back in my bed. For a second I couldn’t talk or move. Then I was fine. I did not see his face but I know it was him ! Believe, and accept him as your personal savior. Denying him is a huge mistake !

As for the date, we have ONE guy, Irenaus, who claims a date of A.D. 96. Both historically and Biblically, one witness without corroborating testimony does not establish veracity. "In the mouth of two or three witnesses, every thing shall be established." Daniel is one, Christ is two, and the internal evidence which suugests it was written prior to the Jewish War is the third witness to a date for Revelation of A.D. 66 or earlier.

As a preterist I agree revelation was not written for you it was written for the seven churches in Asia Minor (Turkey)

these people are so lost 🙌🏽✝️