What's you electric bill in the winter months? What size house are you heating? With electric I expect it's pretty high

@@DavidA-411 Hi David, I just looked at my annual electric bill for the past two years and between August 2017 and 2018 total was $2609.29 ( $217.44 monthly average or $7.15/day) and between August 2018 and 2019 total was $1932.26 ($161.02 monthly average or $5.22/day) so did it go down because I'm now using a tankless or is this because of weather conditions, I don't know but I'll see this coming year what my electric bill will be. My house is 1200 square feet and the amounts above are all in Canadian dollars.

@@Monsterrello Ouch.

@@charliem.7492 It's "ouch" but keep in mind it's also $0 for oil and $0 for gas. It really just depends on the relative costs of different types of fuel where you live.

Can do combination furnace heat exchange on some of these bigger units

Keep in mind most to all tankless water heaters will require you to have a water softener for their warranty.

Mike Edwards : Another benefit of a tank-less water heater is that you also save water because you don’t need to wait for the hot water to come out from the faucet.

@@ajarivas72 Absolutely incorrect. A tankless water heater provides "endless" hot water, but it does not provide instant hot water. The delay in getting hot water at the tap is caused by the volume of water in the pipe between the tap and the water heater. The type of water heater does nothing to change this. The only way to get near-instant hot water at the tap is to install a recirculating loop and pump, which keeps the line charged with hot water.

@@jeffeverde1 Thanks for your reply and insight. Another way to get instant hot water at the tap or shower is to pre-heat the water in the pipe with an induction coil (steel pipes) or electric resistance

You can save money by buying 3 gallons of distilled white vinegar to circulate and de-scale the inside tubing of the water heater instead of the chemical de-scaler.

Absolutely, I have a filter system in my house and its amazing the debit sediments, in the filter I've seen from the city that supplies my house water..

You better know the codes for your city and state.

Yeah but you cant drink the water!

lastpirateslife. This comment is way too underrated

john turner Agreed!! 😉 Here, here, lastpirateslife!🍻

No tank you. You're well come.

Darn I just posted this same comment, you beat me to it.

Why didn’t you just tie into the old flue gas vent line?

Not to mention csst has nowhere near the flow capacity as black iron.

Not to mention a cheap sniffer is not an accurate leak check. They should have run a manometer test on the system. Another thing I noticed is that they installed the shut off valve after the sediment trap which is against code. Third paloma heaters are junk. Fourth why spend all that time on running water lines perfectly and then run csst strapped to the joists and wall. Hard pipe would have been a much cleaner installation.

@@richardhintersehr9014 you're my kind of technician. I can assure you there is a lot of contractors out there who don't even know how to perform a manometer test on fuel runs ( scary huh ?).

15 years of natural and propane gas installation and service have taught me how things can and should be done. I would've much rather seen him use a Rinnai or Noritz heater and an actual gas technician instead of a plumber to do the gas work. Just because a master plumbing license gives you the right to do has work doesn't mean you have the ability...

Done wrong: they wonder why they had a gas explosion 🤔

Like a bigger gas pipe or a bigger main line?

George B most of the time where i live. A tank style water heater is either in the garage or house. Neither of those get cold enough for a new foam filled water heater to make it a good idea to install a blanket on a water heater

What caught my eye was the distance to the window. Code here says 4 feet.

@@Gitarzan66 Using TV magic anything is possible - the cost of install will be $$$ higher & maintenance $. Lower cost of operation will pay you back over the years...

Code in new York is 10 feet and 2 feet above ridgeline

Also dedicated electric hardwire no plug in and dedicated circuit breaker. Must have firerock enclosure

Also not seeing any isolation valves to help with yearly maintenance of the water heater.

Anyone can do it with a little common sense, a few tools, and youtube.

@@lonnieutley7343 That is why we have KZfaq for guidance. Peace too. VF

It looks like you are the one who got stack in 20th centry... In 21st centry we use heat pumps!!! Very efficient and clean source of energy

@@@Nietyp The outdoor fan unit of an air source heat pump usually takes up as much space as a washing machine. ... On the other hand, some modern boilers (or 'combi' boilers) take away the need for a hot water cylinder altogether, heating water straight from the water mains. Air source heat pumps run on electricity. the average value for greenhouse gasses emitted per kWh of electricity is 0.54702 kgCO2eq/kWh, whereas for gas this is 0.20435 kgCO2eq/kWh. If we assume that the alternative to a heat pump would be a new gas boiler at 90% efficiency (e.g. www.boilers.org) then in order for an air source heat pump to have a lower level of greenhouse gas emissions, it would need to have a COP of over 2.41 Whole life cost for heat pump over 15 years £17,940.40 Whole life cost for oil boiler over 15 years £14,784.00

No! We are more advanced we don't even need Water heater global warming is here already.

@@@z14film31 Instead of being a keyboard warrior troll you need to do some research. A Combi boiler and a tankless system are virtually identical. Tankless units (also called “on demand” units or an instant hot water heater) heat water only when you turn on the faucet. A combination or 'combi' boiler is both a high efficiency water heater and a central heating boiler in a single compact unit. Combi boilers heat water directly from the mains when you turn on a tap, so you won't need a hot water storage cylinder or a cold water storage tank in the roof space. Welcome to the 20th century

mines 2 years newer but no filtration system was needed. there is a drain tube for the water coming off the propane to go into floor drain - but after 1 year of use, only several ounces was produced from use.

The maintenance is definitely never talked about with theses things.

@@b-rainwash410I have a BOSCH-JUNKERS Tankless water heater I haven't touch it in its first 10 years and it was working like a charm! Now it's it is 16 and still doing well with some inexpensive parts being replaced!

jburr36 YES, a great idea, but if you are wondering ,why the ‘post ‘unit, that is usually a filter, I would use a ‘Y’ STRAINER that can be cleaned, the reason for that is little pieces of minerals, without, when the homer starts seeing them,,THEN ITS TIME TO. DESCALE THE UNIT, Cheers From NJ🇺🇸

Retired Snowbird quite probably, you did NOT PROPERLY SIZE YOUR UNIT, you should NOT HAVE TO USE POINT OF USE HEATERS.CheersFrom NJ🇺🇸

@@flybyairplane3528 I guess I did not explain my set up properly. There is 20 feet of 3/4 copper to my kitchen so too avoid a long wait for hot water in the kitchen I installed a 2.5 gal tank under the kitchen sink .The 20 gal tank after the tankless supplies us hot water during the day. It is on a timer and only works at night when our electricity rates are lower. It is over 30 cents per kilowatt for electricity here during the day. We have whats called (Time of Use) electricity rates here in Ontario. The small tank saves us several hundreds of dollars a year. Cheers

Retired Snowbird SEE I would have zero idea, whereby our are located, but your electric should be CHEAPER THAN MINE IN NJ, anyhow I now see your reasoning, Check this out, in CHATUGAY , QUIBECK, my wife’s aunt nought a little house there, she had oil heat, can you guess what the ELECTRIC COMPANY DID ? They removed her oil unit, then INSTALLED A NEW ELECTRIC FURNACE, as it WAS CHEAPER than oil, HYDRO QUEBEC!, She has now passed many years now. Cheers From NJUSA🇨🇦🇺🇸

It doesn't really takes too long to have hot water in your shower, sink and others. It is just matter of seconds (10-15).

@Harry Corley I'll put it like this when I installed my Rinnai tankless water heater it took forever to get hot water to my farthest shower which is a good 45 foot away and when you're going green with a tankless water heater that defeats the purpose because I'm letting 45 seconds of water go down the drain at 2.5 gallons a minute for my shower head once I installed my recirc pump and made a hot water loop with a second hot water line I can now start the pump let the pump run for 30 seconds and then go to my fixture and have hot water and under 10 seconds I'm no longer waste in water down the drain it's moving through the pipes heating up until I need it letting 10 seconds of water go down the drain is a lot better than 45 seconds when I'm waiting for hot water that's why I say for me a recirculating pump was ideal for my setup

@Harry Corley I meant 2.5 gallons a minute not not second

@Harry Corley Your reply did agree with me no doubt there, but after reading your second reply I would have to disagree with your opinion on tankless beeing green is a myth because how much gas they burn. My tankless is 96% efficiency when the gas is burning.That means it burns very very little gas. And thats only when we call for hot water unlike a tank that turns on and off all throughout the day to keep the water temperature at the desired heat that the thermostat is set at. on /off all day and night burning gas then you drain the tank when you take showers or laundry or what ever you need hot water for. Then your tank has to fill back up and use more gas to heat the water back up to the desired temperature setting, always using gas or electric. We do lots of laundry and dishes and showers are going 2-3 times a day at my house family of 3 now. My circ pump only comes on when I call for hot water no timmer or nun of that settings stuff. If I lose power doesn't affect my my pump. My pump is called the Water Quick Pro and the way it works is just go to any faucet in the house turn the hot water on for 2 seconds then turn off the faucet the pump will turn on my tankless unit and the pump will start pumping water through my hot water lines for a good 2 to 3 minutes after that time your hot water line is now purged with hot water and ready to use. Its unlike any pump on the market very cool technology. Check them out at www.fasterhotwater.com We use to have a 40 gallon Electric tank waterheater when i finally switch to my gas tankless my electric bill went down significantly and my gas bill did not change a single bit and my tankless is 199,000 BTU it required a 1" gas line to feed this bad boy because of 30' distance it is away from my gas meter 3/4 gas line was not big enough to carry the gas load. Also Columbia Gas had to come and swap out the old gas meter for a 400,000 BTU gas meter that was required because my furnace is 90,000 BTU and 289,000 BTU exceeded what the old gas meter could put out (only 200,000 btu gas meter) but yet again my gas bill never changed.. Still $70 a month. So for me a tankless is going green. My electric bill went down, gas bill never changed, and we have endless hot water. Water bill even went down a little water bills are monthly where we live as well and high for everone around here. We can debate all day but once I went tankless I never looked back and never will again

@Harry Corley Be careful that your return doesn't limit your PSI coming out of the faucet, though. My plumber made that mistake on a tankless he installed for us in 2006.

Your water quality will affect any water heater. If there is concern for hard water or iron, best to run it through softener. Consult the manual of the heater prior to installation. Or talk to manufacturer.

That's just the rim joist it's sitting on the foundation you can cut it out with no compromise to structural integrity

Most folks won’t drain their heaters. Must have plenty of cash to replace it.

i have heard of a cleanout but never a cleanout valves.

@@dangda-ww7de : cleanout valve, service valve. Lets you flush your system .

@@imaslowlerner yes, service valve, i never heard of a cleanout valve.

@@dangda-ww7de : the majority of the time you would use the valve to rid the system of that sediment build up, that's how it got the name cleanout valve.

He's right.

Yea a lot editin

I was thinking the same thing that the tank did not look like it needed replacing. What I would have done is take out the dip tube, anode rod, and drain valve. Duct tape a piece of pipe to the shop vac hose, stick it in through the open ports, and vacuum up the debris. Use a bore/endoscope if you got one for visual confirmation. Install new dip tube, anode, and a proper brass ball valve for a drain and Bob's your uncle... He did a really nice job of installing the tankless unit though. I just think he really wanted one and the debris in the tank was a great excuse. Not that that's a bad thing...I might have taken the same opportunity given the option.

Usually called a "dirt leg".

Cause natural gas and propane is dirty gas

Yep, and clean it everyday.

It depends on allot of factors, old heater efficiency, cost of new install, split of new efficiency vs old- But as a contractor I've found if you are only planning on owning your hour 15 years or less just go with the cheapest builder grade water heater, furnace, or ac- with modern efficiency requirements the difference between that and top of the line is allot smaller than it used to be.

z did they have a water softener?Most suppliers won’t warranty without one.. So if you don’t have one extra expense or void warranty. I won’t install one without it at least without a warning.

Ron thanks for spending the time on this install/video, we had the tankless HWH in our previous home, it had been recommended as part of our 2010 energy audit...... we converted our home from electric to gas during this period as well. We had our 2 teenagers living at the time and never had enough hot water for bathing, the dishwasher, and washing clothes at the same time. This option was presented to us and we financed it as part of the NJ’s Energy Efficiency Program, the fin was for 10 years, 0% fin the tankless part of the project came to $ 2,400 for the unit then the labor. Without the the State backed program we may not have had the tankless HWH installed, but we immediately experienced many of the conveniences you mentioned. We just moved from our home to a townhome 3/2020 , during our 3 week renovation asked about the tankless for this application, reviewed the pricing, and found it was better to install a newly design high efficiency HWH..... since it is only the two of us now we have more then enough HW and a new HEHWH.