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Installing a PC NVMe Into a Late 2014 Mac mini - Al Mac mini Mini Series EP.1
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Күн бұрынToday I install and demonstrate a PC NVMe drive in my Late 2014 mini.
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@MichaelJ023 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I did this 3 years ago on my Mac mini that only had a stock hdd, no Fusion Drive. This is still one of the only sources that shows that you can indeed have two drives on the 2014 Mac mini. Most places still state it is not possible. Mine is still running great. It brought to life my painfully slow Mac mini.
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I need to bring the series back lol
@manuel-xax 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I now consider 2014 Minis a lot more, espcially the 8Gb+ ram models... So far I had my eyes (for friends, or my parents) only on the same model I own: the 2012 with 2 SATA option and upgradable RAM !
@walterb.9290 4 жыл бұрын
Btw, MacTracker info states that the PCIe slot is a max. x2 , so that's why only 750 MB transfer speeds. In my mac Pro 4,1->5,1 I put a PCIe x4 card in it for the NVME, so transfer speeds are around 1,5 GB/sec.
@kilohertz9456 4 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention that my boot time from when I git the line on the screen indicating OS loading to the log in screen is only 12 seconds. From pushing the on switch to login screen is about 23 seconds. I have the original 512 Gbyte Mac SSD. Blackmagic Speed Test reports 700 write speed 720 read speed. I think there is a point where faster drives don't necessarily mean faster computer speed. Can you really tell the difference if it takes 1.5 seconds of outlook to load vs 1.2 seconds?
@peterbystrom6799 4 жыл бұрын
There is only two PCIe lanes for the M2 drive. The four USB ports taking the other two lanes, the chipset only support four PCIe lanes.
@batukeskinbora7257 2 жыл бұрын
I watched lots of videos to find rams, only you explained where it is,thank you.
@poorfesor 3 жыл бұрын
Why do you guys never include links to the products you use in these instructional videos?
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
links change all the time is the main reason... quick Amazon search will find it
@kilohertz9456 4 жыл бұрын
The Mac Mini only has two pcie lines. Your drive has 4 lines. If you were using it in a mac book pro it would be much faster. Also, I had the same heat problems with my 3.0 Ghz I7 Mac mini 2014. I purchased Mac Fan Control Pro. It lets you pick the sensor to control with. I'm using the CPU PECI sensor. I set a range of 110 F to 190 F this ramps the fan from 1800 rpm to 4800 rpm. Running the two core test I get a max temp of about 160 F with the fan at just under 3599 rpm. I use Intel power gadget to monitor power and temps. It reports about 71 C. Both Cores are running 3.35 Ghz. Package power is just under 19 watts and core power is just undeer 15 watts.
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
That’s what I figured for all of that thank you for verifying my suspicions
@thepopeofkeke 2 жыл бұрын
no hwinfo?
@JordanWeyh 4 жыл бұрын
More Mac Minis YA!!
@jjjacer 4 жыл бұрын
i found a lot of torx security scews have very weak pins for security, usually all thats needed is a slotted driver that fits between the pin and the lobes, then pry or twist and the center pin breaks off with almost no force, making it a normal torx head. YMMV but at least torx heads dont strip like cross/phillips heads which when that happens on small screw it becomes even more of a pain
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
I was going to mention that because I’ve done that in the past but I’ve also broken a number of flat head screwdriver’s doing stuff like that lol
@WarriorsPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Greg, I really enjoyed watching this. I plan to get a Mac Mini as a media PC one day. And either the 2012 or 2014 models would do well for that. But you keep giving me the idea of using it as a streaming machine. When the day comes that I need to do so one of these little machines will serve a dual purpose. (:
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
2014 can do 4K natively 2012 has to be hacked if that helps
@WarriorsPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Hrutkay Mods That helps a lot. It’s probably due to the Intel graphics. Haswell was the beginning of 4K for Intel graphics. Thank you Greg.
@ictrepairs6963 2 жыл бұрын
it just sucks, as you mentioned the average speed on that bus should go to 2500 not 700... very different specs compared to iMac of the same age and with identical ssd nvme upgrade...
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
agreed it does suck
@mr.remeithi6841 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the awesome and helpful video. I have Late 2014 Mac Mini sitting a side which I'm thinking about turn it to a mac server which means I'm thinking upgrading the PCIe to 250GB NVMe , and add a 4TB SATA 3 SSD for my personal data.
@Darktanuz 2 жыл бұрын
hey did you do this? im deciding about install a SSD SATA III or an adapter+ SSD NVMe (just to keep budget low) but idk which one to use. One thing is that i heard that some ppl have issues with the adapter.. and i believe the difference is somenthing like SATA III = 510/500 Read/Write vs NVMe = 750/700 Read/Write so idk what to do xd!
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
for a server usage I'd just run an SSD for boot and HDD for storage
@bennaambo2716 3 жыл бұрын
the die without thermalpaste is not the iGPU, its the PCH and that doesnt even produce much heat so no need for Paste or Pad
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
yeah I learned that shortly after
@wellcraft19 Жыл бұрын
Question; that Mini obviously had had the Fusion Drive at some point in time as it the PCIe connector to Apple's proprietary SSD stick was installed. Why not just using an adapter from that one to your Sabrent M.2 NVME drive? And just as Apple's PCIe ribbon cable is held in place by the small metal clip and two screw, one needs to do something similar with the NVME adaptor, as to not only rely on the adhesive tape. One way is to place an appropriate material between the connector and the bottom cover. Just to ensure the adapter truly firmly stays in place.
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
adapter is stuck it isn't going anywhere seriously with the support screw it is solid
@Triggas 4 жыл бұрын
When you’re too lazy to clean your desk
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
I have so many projects I never have time to clean... when I finally have my studio totally set up (i’m still moving into it) it will look more presentable 👍
@timjjt9834 Жыл бұрын
would you happen to know if you can put in any size ssd? as in larger than 2tb
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
should be able to do any size yeah
@viva7642 4 жыл бұрын
So, this is what i get for $375 on mac mini 2014. Fair enuh. =D Nice vid.
@eezeepee 4 жыл бұрын
I'm wanting to do this so I don't have to use the Apple proprietary PCIe SSDs. Where did you get the drive adapter? Update: I think I found a version of it on Amazon (Nice long title of course): PCI-E x4 x2 M.2 NGFF M-Key NVME AHCI SSD Converter Card Adapter Raiser for 2014 MacBook Mini A1347 MEGEN2 MEGEM2 MEGEQ2 NVME SSD Quick question: Is it possible that while installing this, I could take out the old SATA hard drive and run strictly on the PCIe SSD? I'm using my Mac Mini as a Chromium OS desktop now. It's running very well and much better than it did with Mac OS X. I don't see why not if I can select to boot the PCIe SSD correct?
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
Yep you don’t need the HDD
@eezeepee 4 жыл бұрын
@@HrutkayMods Yes just to confirm, I finally got around to uninstalling the old HDD and do the PCIe NVMe SSD you demonstrated, and I'm running Chromium OS only on it. Amazingly fast to boot from 40 seconds to only 15 seconds.
@eezeepee 4 жыл бұрын
Oh question: What screw did you use to secure the adapter? Did you just have a spare? I didn't have one in my Mac Mini and neither the adapter or SSD I got had any to spare.
@terrytaylor342 4 жыл бұрын
The bare die is the pch no thermal grease needed
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
Still makes me wanna put something on it though lol
@craigcooper1967 4 жыл бұрын
M.2 SATA? NVME speeds don't look like that?
@craigcooper1967 4 жыл бұрын
I have a slow PCIE X2 NVME and it is 1.5GB read, 1GB write?!
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s the speeds I was expecting but apparently the Mini has a very slow bus for it
@taurus20077 4 жыл бұрын
I get the same write/read speed on my same machine as yours except mine comes with 251 flash storage!
@WaqasNasir 3 жыл бұрын
Where is the upgrade video for Macmini late 2012? I could not find the other parts of the series
@walterb.9290 4 жыл бұрын
Could you elaborate on what needs to be 'flashed' ? Do you mean a firmware update that is included with High Sierra ? Also, it isn't really nessecary to use dosdude1's mojave install patcher, because the mac mini 2014 natively supports it. Or do you just use that because you are lazy and let that little app create the install drive ? I do as well !
@averystech8218 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! What Camera do you use?
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
XS Max, never converted to my DSLR yet
@sphchurch 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, I have two of the 2014 Mac mini - Macmini7,1. They currently have a 512gb NVM-PCIe in them no HD or SSD. Can I upgrade the 512gb to a 1tb version. If so how?
@Mave-rick 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but you'll need a similar adapter as shown in the video. You have two options, the VERY expensive OWC adapter, or the inexpensive Sintech adapter sold at Amazon. Both produce the same results, it's just a matter or how clean and stock you want your final installation to be. eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIYMM14SA/ www.amazon.com/Sintech-NGFF-NVMe-Upgrade-A1347/dp/B07Q5FBNVG
@MJMDrawings 3 жыл бұрын
So if i upgrade my HDD to an SSD, do I alson need to chamge the Nvme Ssd?
@slingboi 3 жыл бұрын
No u don’t
@GUTARGA 4 жыл бұрын
Do I Need to install mac os on new ssd m2 Nvme samsung evo 970 before put inside the mac mini With USB enclosure ?
@ictrepairs6963 2 жыл бұрын
no, you do not. remember you need a passive adapter to convert the nvme slot to the one present on the Mac mini motherboard.
@NonsensicalSpudz 4 жыл бұрын
its weird the memory being solder, because on the refresh model, yes harder to get into but the ram is socketed
@HrutkayMods 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, it was stupid. The Apple did that I understand why they did it to save money, but it was still stupid.
@heresbutler 4 жыл бұрын
can i run macos off this and have the 1tb pre installed hardrive as internal storage to drag and drop files on?????
@vinaykumar858 3 жыл бұрын
Where i will get this adapter?
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
Amazon
@khanscombe619 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched all the series at this time in Mar 2022. What is the best I can do for my late 2012 Mac Mini Server i7-3720QM On OS X Catalina OS=X 10.15.7. It had that Apple Fusion. I wanna use the better of an NVMe on 1 of them.
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
this is still the only one... I need to bring the series back... Lots of options, I'll be working on the 2012 probably next when I bring back the series
@jrose7381 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have to take out and remove the old hdd prior to adding the nvme ssd? If I have the base model 2014 Mac mini could I just add the adapter and new ssd stick and leave the old hdd in there?
@HrutkayMods 2 жыл бұрын
I believe you can leave the hard drive yeah
@wilsonyong6271 3 жыл бұрын
Hi any idea why the NVME upgrade you did is only marginally faster than SATA SSD? I am thinking of upgrading my Mini which has a 1TB Fusion drive TIA
@HrutkayMods 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a 1x slot
@wilsonyong6271 3 жыл бұрын
@@HrutkayMods thank you. A. In that case, is there any reason why i should use NVMe? B. I was thinking to replace my fusion drive to a SATA SSD B1. Install NVMe as well B2. This will give me two drives. C. Does this make sense? D. Is there anyway i can increase the speed to greater than 1x ? Many thanks,
@lucasmoore6614 Жыл бұрын
After a the security update in 10/22 these now throw a kernel panic shutting the computer down when sleeping. Its a PITA. I did this MOD and benefitted from over a year of the best kept secret "Late 2014 16 GB i7 Mac Mini with a 1 TB SSD fused to the stock 1 TB HDD w/ the superior Iris Pro over the HD 4000 GPU" I hear the kernel panics have spread to the MacBook upgrades using these adapters allowing regular M key SSD's to connect to Apple proprietary blades:( Any idea how to fix this? Apple is going to have to fix it and why would they? Do you have a workaround? Thank you so much!!
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
I believe they fixed this awhile ago not sure though
@natanyofsho 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve installed an SSD into my 2012 Mac mini and upgraded the RAM for performance. The SSD crashed so I then had to go back to my stock Hard Drive. I then decided to fusion drive the SSD with the stock Hard Drive so I get about 3/4 the performance of the SSD and all the storage with the stock HD. Is it possible to upgrade the Mac mini CPU and graphics card? Also I’m terrible at soldering.
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
Unless you can solder that’s a no on the CPU upgrade since the 2009 mini came out... GPU you can use an eGPU, I’ll be doing a video on that soon
@natanyofsho 4 жыл бұрын
Hrutkay Mods can’t wait!
@Elijah-wo8bm 2 жыл бұрын
I keep on searching why does my 2014 Mac Mini disk speedtest slow even Im using Nvme SSD on it, Glad that i Watched this and we have the same speed. I bought Kingston 512gb NVME SSD and before putting it on my mac, I tried it first on my laptop because I have dual NVME ssd on my laptop, and I'm getting the Disk speed of 2100MBps of Read Speed and 1900MBps of Write speed. Which is in my Mind an overkill btw for the 2014 mac mini. Then after putting the NVME SSD Im shocked because Im only getting a disk speed of 700MBps Read and Write. I tried to reorder another NVME Adapter and Im still getting the same speed of 700MBps. So maybe Mac is not an advances after all in terms of upgradability. They limit it.
@nikolaystepanets2483 Жыл бұрын
NVMe speed limited by PCIe 2.0 x2 interface
@MarvinConnell 2 жыл бұрын
Good day... Will you do me a small favour? I want to do this upgrade using the same circuit board, but I want to use a heatsink... Will you please measure the distance from the top of the NVMe you installed to the bottom plate & tell me what it is? You just need to push a blunt object through a hole above a chip, & make a mark right where said object clears the base cover... If you still have the Mac Mini that is... Thanks... =]
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
don't think a heat sink would fir plus with how slow the bus is it wouldn;t get hot anyway
@MarvinConnell 11 ай бұрын
@@HrutkayMods Actually, I did eventually get & install a Micro Centre(Island something - don't remember off the top of my head)NVME SSD WITH a Heatsink, & I removed the antenna(metal plate)& cut out a hole in the plastic cover for it to fit... WORKS AWESOME!!! XD
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
That’s actually pretty neat lol
@tvilla2601 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t care about the screws
@langhilau 4 жыл бұрын
Greg is the NVMe slot only in 2013 minis and newer?
@HrutkayMods 8 ай бұрын
14 only
@moderatorkonovalova8598 3 жыл бұрын
Hello from Russia, 8 GB can be replaced with 16 GB, can you solder it?
@HrutkayMods 2 жыл бұрын
I mean yeah Probably if you have the right equipment to solder it and the right chips
@langhilau 4 жыл бұрын
Greg would you sell one when you are done with the reviews.
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
I rarely sale and I plan on using them all in some way but I might in the future
@coppersindo2237 3 жыл бұрын
Hey. Once nvme is installed how do reinstall the os in it?
@defiant888 3 жыл бұрын
Disk utility
@djlalorocks 4 жыл бұрын
Which iFit tool kit do you have?
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
The 64bit tech tool kit I think
@moderatorkonovalova8598 3 жыл бұрын
Привет из России, 8 гб на 16 заменить путём bga пайки можно?
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
yes... dosdude1 is a pro at it
@pm-kc8di 2 жыл бұрын
Hrutkay Mods, nice video but your sound is horrible and your voice is not clear at all - possibly the culprit is your mic. It just puts off the listener.
@HrutkayMods 11 ай бұрын
I've had that feed back a lot lol... working on improving it
@Malithion2001 4 жыл бұрын
How fast is bootup? :
@HrutkayMods 4 жыл бұрын
Forgot to time it, I’ll do that in a follow up video
@R-L-D 2 ай бұрын
WoW, the ignorance.
@HrutkayMods 2 ай бұрын
Of?
@R-L-D 2 ай бұрын
@@HrutkayMods 12:45 This is NOT an "integrated graphics" chip. This is the Platform Controller Hub or PCH chip. No, Apple didn't make a mistake here. It in no way needs thermal paste or a "pad". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_Controller_Hub 25:43 Also, why would you expect a Sata 3 interface (the NVMe drive in this case) to go beyond it's maximum capabilities? Sata 3 is 6 Gbit/s, 600 MB/s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#3.0 Don't "think" or "assume". State FACTS so that your viewers are not unintentionally mislead or misinformed. Knowledge is power 💪
@HrutkayMods 2 ай бұрын
First off if you noticed, I never put thermal paste back on it because I found that out later. I had never taken one apart before, and I hadn’t really done the research other than researching how to take it apart. Second off it actually is NVMe it’s just like a one lane version. So it still has really crappy bandwidth. It’s not SATA 3 and the bandwidth is still faster than SATA 3 it’s about 100+MB/s faster than SATA 3 in my testing it’s just limited by the PCIe lanes. I left the video is directly geared towards educational reasons. It’s always assumed that I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. I just have a general idea usually I’m not spreading misinformation. anytime I release an educational video if there is a mistake in it. I either figure out a way to fix it after it’s been uploaded or I take it down and re-upload it and lose all the views because I’m a stickler for accuracy. This wasn’t intended to be an educational video. It was a look what I can do with this thing and what you can do with it also video.
@R-L-D 2 ай бұрын
@@HrutkayMods Yikes! We're done here. Good luck.
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