integral of sin(x)/x from 0 to inf by Feynman's Technique

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blackpenredpen

blackpenredpen

7 жыл бұрын

The integral of sin(x)/x from 0 to inf by using Feynman's technique (aka differentiation under the integral sign). This integral is also called the Dirichlet integral. Check out another example of Feynman's technique of integration: • Feynman's Technique of...
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@_DD_15
@_DD_15 7 жыл бұрын
This is so famous, i still remember 8 years ago, when my uni professor told me, there is psychiatric hospital for those who still try to find a primitive of sin(x) / x... lol
@mohamedabdullahi5708
@mohamedabdullahi5708 4 жыл бұрын
Kkkkk
@sharmisthaghosh9017
@sharmisthaghosh9017 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@camkiranratna
@camkiranratna 4 жыл бұрын
For some reason , “lol” looks like mod(0)
@deltaspace0
@deltaspace0 4 жыл бұрын
@@camkiranratna do you mean absolute value?
@dclrk8331
@dclrk8331 4 жыл бұрын
@@deltaspace0 Absolute value is also called mod in some places.
@112BALAGE112
@112BALAGE112 7 жыл бұрын
You don't often see a man doing partial derivatives while wearing a partial derivative t-shirt.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
hahahahaha! honestly, that wasn't planned.
@ruiyingwu893
@ruiyingwu893 7 жыл бұрын
blackpenredpen I just realised after reading this...
@yamenarhim9336
@yamenarhim9336 6 жыл бұрын
me 2 lollll
@edwardtang3585
@edwardtang3585 6 жыл бұрын
It seemed to me like some sort of band sign like Nike at first
@AlgyCuber
@AlgyCuber 5 жыл бұрын
what’s the difference between partial derivative and normal derivative?
@rudycummings4671
@rudycummings4671 2 жыл бұрын
I recall doing this integral many years ago. Back then we used contour integration. We chose the contour to be a semi-circle of radius R centered at the origin . The origin was indented and cotoured with a semi-circle of radius r. The semi-circle was located in the upper-half of the Cartesian plane. Complex integration in one of the most potent methods for dealing with such problems.
@gertwallen
@gertwallen Жыл бұрын
I agree, I solved this too in my first course of Applied Mathematics in college where we used complex analysis techniques kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fMxkf7Wdy9LNkmQ.html
@greatwhitesufi
@greatwhitesufi Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's true, that's how I learnt it/saw it first
@lasmatesdelamor4287
@lasmatesdelamor4287 Жыл бұрын
Integrales cerradas en variable compleja?
@louisrobitaille5810
@louisrobitaille5810 Жыл бұрын
You can do integrals on complex bounds (lower/upper) 😮? Or is it Real bounds but integrated on Complex functions?
@comp.lex4
@comp.lex4 Жыл бұрын
@@louisrobitaille5810 complex functions and complex bounds. Turns out that the path you take *mostly* doesn't matter!
@AmanteNoViolao
@AmanteNoViolao 7 жыл бұрын
When you sleep in class 14:01
@bonbonpony
@bonbonpony 7 жыл бұрын
More like when you blink in class :)
@peppybocan
@peppybocan 7 жыл бұрын
but the answer was spoiled in that part :D
@Tomaplen
@Tomaplen 7 жыл бұрын
when you struggle not to sleep
@AhnafAbdullah
@AhnafAbdullah 7 жыл бұрын
Idk why was the video cut? lol
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Ahnaf Abdullah I wanted to add that explanation why b has to be nonnegative
@cycklist
@cycklist 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching you integrate! Relaxing and fascinating at the same time. Isn't it!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
PompeyDB it is!
@jirehchoo2151
@jirehchoo2151 5 жыл бұрын
it is, is not? It's!
@rehmmyteon5016
@rehmmyteon5016 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching you disintegrate! Relaxing and fascinating at the same time. Isn't it!
@tens0r884
@tens0r884 4 жыл бұрын
@@rehmmyteon5016 lmao
@terapode
@terapode 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best math videos I´v ever seen. Changing the function from x to b was a masterpiece.
@gertwallen
@gertwallen Жыл бұрын
Yes, Feynman was a brilliant mind
@sonicpawnsyou
@sonicpawnsyou 7 жыл бұрын
I see you have finally decided to clothe like a true mathematician, seeing your t-shirt involves partial derivatives. 👌
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
MeowGrump lolllll this is a good one!!!
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 7 жыл бұрын
asics = "Anime sane in corpore sano," "Sound mind/spirit in a sound body."
@koharaisevo3666
@koharaisevo3666 6 жыл бұрын
Anima not anime (but that's somehow relevant :))))
@omarathon5922
@omarathon5922 6 жыл бұрын
👌 looks like the partial derivative sign XD
@herbert164
@herbert164 6 жыл бұрын
So, it is soul eater then?
@andraspongracz5996
@andraspongracz5996 4 жыл бұрын
The part where the constant C is determined by checking the limit of the function at infinity is very elegant. Beautiful proof. Of course, there are a lot of technical details that mathematicians would think about (is it correct to derivate inside the integral, exchange limit and integral, etc.). But this video is a great summary of the overall strategy. Very nice work!
@hyungmanpark4346
@hyungmanpark4346 Жыл бұрын
.l
@proofofalifetime488
@proofofalifetime488 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, I just learned this technique over the summer. I was amazed. I used it to solve a problem from American Mathematical Monthly. It was fun, not only sending in a solution, but learning this amazing technique used by Feynman!
@lisalisa9706
@lisalisa9706 7 жыл бұрын
you told us not to trust wolfram and now you confirm your answer in wolfram. what am i supposed to do with my life now?
@brandong5687
@brandong5687 7 жыл бұрын
Dokuta Viktor trust no one
@arthurreitz9540
@arthurreitz9540 7 жыл бұрын
Dokuta Viktor Ask wolfram.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Dokuta Viktor only if it gives the same answer as what we got.
@axemenace6637
@axemenace6637 6 жыл бұрын
blackpenredpen what if what you got is by looking at Wolfram????
@user-nq6si4iq6c
@user-nq6si4iq6c 6 жыл бұрын
then don't get things from Wolfram but just check your answer with it.
@rishavmukherjee4251
@rishavmukherjee4251 3 жыл бұрын
"And once again, pi pops out of nowhere!"
@JoseDiaz-gp1bn
@JoseDiaz-gp1bn 7 жыл бұрын
You always manage to make me click to watch you do integrals I've already done long ago!, but this integral of sinc(x) was really gorgeous. It's kinda the method for obtaining the the moments of x with the gaußian. I hope to see more of this kind.
@whiz8569
@whiz8569 5 жыл бұрын
18:12 I like the idea that, after going through all that, we figure out that the integral from 0 to infinity of sin(x)/x dx is equal to... Some unknown value.
@antonquirgst2812
@antonquirgst2812 2 жыл бұрын
its not that unexpected though if you look at the function... its just looks very convergent.. (this can ofc be very deceiving)
@createyourownfuture5410
@createyourownfuture5410 2 жыл бұрын
@@antonquirgst2812 But there's the fact that as x grows larger, it tends to 0 because sin's at most 1 or -1.
@antonquirgst2812
@antonquirgst2812 2 жыл бұрын
@@createyourownfuture5410 yup - totally agree - x grows linear while sin(x) is periodic!
@createyourownfuture5410
@createyourownfuture5410 2 жыл бұрын
@@antonquirgst2812 Aaaand it approaches 0 from both sides
@josephcamavinga9721
@josephcamavinga9721 2 жыл бұрын
@@createyourownfuture5410 It actually approaches 1 from 0
@WildSeven19
@WildSeven19 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me what I enjoyed about maths! It really is good fun to play around with calculus like this.
@Aramil4
@Aramil4 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I was thinking literally just the other day that I hope you'd make a Feynman technique video and, as through magic, here it is! Would really love to see more videos about alternative / advanced techniques.
@mathnezmike
@mathnezmike 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. At the begining the integral with the exponential function looks more complicated, but that function allows to have a closed form and the Leibniz theorem is fundamental. Great work!
@NazriB
@NazriB 2 жыл бұрын
Lies again? So fat
@S1nwar
@S1nwar 7 жыл бұрын
the world needs more of this....
@ShotgunLlama
@ShotgunLlama 7 жыл бұрын
He's becoming self aware
@Aramil4
@Aramil4 7 жыл бұрын
How so? What did you notice?
@Reluxthelegend
@Reluxthelegend 7 жыл бұрын
isn't it?
@Zonnymaka
@Zonnymaka 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was an heavy load! I never saw anything like that before...it'll take me a few days to digest the technique. Well done!
@michaeljohnston3038
@michaeljohnston3038 3 жыл бұрын
That's what she said
@mohammadaminsarabi6207
@mohammadaminsarabi6207 5 жыл бұрын
Feynman was a mathematician, physician and philosopher... super geniuce
@juanpiedrahita-garcia5138
@juanpiedrahita-garcia5138 5 жыл бұрын
Physicist*
@adityaekbote8498
@adityaekbote8498 2 жыл бұрын
@@juanpiedrahita-garcia5138 lol
@seanclough7810
@seanclough7810 7 жыл бұрын
him: "And now let's draw the continuation arrow with also looks like the integration symbol. That's so cool." Me: "Ha." I happen to remember just enough calculus to follow along. Interesting. Thank you.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Sean Clough yay! I am happy to hear!
@siguardvolsung
@siguardvolsung 6 жыл бұрын
"This is so much fun, isn't it?" Sure.
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@justinscheidler5938
@justinscheidler5938 4 жыл бұрын
How the heck do 2 people that didn't know eachother ' invent' calculus at the same time.Simply fascinating. This was awesome to watch, I now have a better understanding of how partial derivatives work. I now must go back and study calc shui I can come back and fully digest this.
@arvindganesh542
@arvindganesh542 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I've seen many of yours. You're doing a great job speaking about unusual techniques and methods in Calculus.
@mohanadou
@mohanadou 4 жыл бұрын
The best ever demonstration i've seen. I always thought this integral to be done by an algorithm based on the sum of trapezium areas which gives approximatively the same result as pi/2. Really amazing demo. The next question would be what is the primary function of integral of sin(x)/x dx ?
@franciscoabusleme9085
@franciscoabusleme9085 7 жыл бұрын
I knew this, but it is still awesome. More stuff like this pls!
@Weisser_Adler
@Weisser_Adler 3 жыл бұрын
I started to get interested in mathematics after seeing this integral before! Thank you for giving me the solution :)
@TheHenrykH
@TheHenrykH 7 жыл бұрын
You rock man! These are a great set of videos for young aspiring mathematicians!
@nk4634
@nk4634 5 жыл бұрын
Using laplace transform and fubini's theorem this integral reduces to a simple trig substitution problem.
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 7 жыл бұрын
Can you recommend a good proof of Liebniz Rule to follow? It seems like one of those simple/obvious things that would actually have an interesting/ instructive proof.
@Barpoint212
@Barpoint212 5 жыл бұрын
I love your enthusiasm and your clear explanations. Thanks!
@ehproducts1305
@ehproducts1305 4 жыл бұрын
Excelente apresentacao ! Sempre usei esta tecnica sem saber q se chamava de tecnica de feynman ! Vivendo e aprendendo !
@icenarsin5283
@icenarsin5283 Жыл бұрын
Best math teacher ever !!!
@dyer308
@dyer308 7 жыл бұрын
Yay i was waiting for this!
@vaibhavkumar5419
@vaibhavkumar5419 4 жыл бұрын
i am 17 years old and i am from india .............i am able to understand it clearly ......thank you sir , love you and your love for mathematics 😊
@ozzyfromspace
@ozzyfromspace 4 жыл бұрын
You’re awesome bro, thank you for such a clear video. And leaving a link to where you first saw the method is very classy, I respect that. Greetings from the US, my friend 🙌🏽🎊
@bonbonpony
@bonbonpony 7 жыл бұрын
Now it's time for the Gamma function and some other Euler integrals ;>
@charliearcaro208
@charliearcaro208 4 жыл бұрын
Great video using Feynman's technique but would never tackle this integral in this way. Once you've applied the Laplace transform it's much easier to use Euler's formula and substitute sin(x) with Im (e^ix). Haven't read all of the comments but I'm sure this has already been mentioned
@Sugarman96
@Sugarman96 2 жыл бұрын
I'm familiar with using the Fourier transform to find the integral, but I don't quite see how you'd use the Laplace transform.
@charliearcaro208
@charliearcaro208 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sugarman96 - the Laplace transform is what the above video uses when creating his function I (b)
@mrocto329
@mrocto329 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Sugarman96 I'(b) is the same negative laplace transform of sin(x) which you can use to easily find I'(b) instead of doing whatever he did.
@beastlye212
@beastlye212 10 ай бұрын
His enthusiasm is contagious wish he was my calc professor back in the day I would have loved that class
@jamesbentonticer4706
@jamesbentonticer4706 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on this great channel. Beautiful.
@jemcel0397
@jemcel0397 7 жыл бұрын
Believe in Math; Believe in the Pens; Believe in Black and Red Pens.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
yay!!!!
@MrAssassins117
@MrAssassins117 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, i did It and i got 10 in my integral calculus exam :') two months ago !
@pranav2119
@pranav2119 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAssassins117 now 3 years ago lol
@_.Infinity._
@_.Infinity._ 3 жыл бұрын
@@pranav2119 now 3 yrs and 14 hrs ago.
@kakan147
@kakan147 6 жыл бұрын
Love Feynman and this trick was cool and useful. You now have another subscriber :)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful!!!!!!!!
@CTT36544
@CTT36544 4 жыл бұрын
This problem can be simply solved using complex integral (getting the answer directly without a piece of paper). However, I’ve to admit that the method introduced here is VERY SMART. Thank you!
@iwarshavsky
@iwarshavsky 6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! Keep on rockin'! I was hoping you could make a video about approximating results for equations like sinx+x=0. Never really understood how to!
@sharmisthaghosh9017
@sharmisthaghosh9017 4 жыл бұрын
Please do some putnam integrals They are really tricky and also few tough integrals like these. I love watching your integration videos.
@sandeepjha-iitkgp
@sandeepjha-iitkgp 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Least I can do is thank you for a great explanation!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@aakashkhamaru9403
@aakashkhamaru9403 2 жыл бұрын
I still remember my first year in college. It was filled with so many wonderful moments. This was not one of them.
@lakeside_serenity167
@lakeside_serenity167 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks SIr.. U explain things in a great manner that even i could understand, thanks for solving the qsn stepwise
@benjaminbrady2385
@benjaminbrady2385 7 жыл бұрын
These are so addicting to watch and I don't know why
@bruno-tt
@bruno-tt 7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful proof, thank you.
@restitutororbis964
@restitutororbis964 6 жыл бұрын
bruno edwards Yup, leibniz rule is very powerful.
@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video, for many reasons. When I watching it, I just enjoyed. Thank you so much for this.
@enesog
@enesog 5 жыл бұрын
Important function, also good for Interpretation of some Integrals with Delta Distribution. So it has a practical use as well. Great Video, thanks and Keep on with this interesting and usefull stuff, …. makes lifes a lot easier at work.
@stephenmontes349
@stephenmontes349 7 жыл бұрын
make video on the squeze theorem, I bet you can make it interesting and to show all techniques
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Paul Montes dr. Peyam is actually going to do that soon
@martinepstein9826
@martinepstein9826 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. The e^(-bx) looks random until you realize that lots of these problems use the same parameterization. The answer is actually 42 though. Proof: summing the positive and negative regions under the curve we get a conditionally convergent series. Add positive terms until you exceed 42, then add negative terms until you go below 42, then add more positive terms until you exceed 42 again, etc. The sum will converge to 42 so this is the value of the integral. QED.
@MoinKhan-kc8gz
@MoinKhan-kc8gz 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks my man I've been trying to solve that question for a long time byparts and some other methods didn't get it thank you I'm a big fan 😍
@Agent-nj6wn
@Agent-nj6wn Жыл бұрын
I can't believe I just spent 20 minutes watching a video about integration and loving every second of it. A few years ago, I used to despise Maths
@beaming_sparkling_trash261
@beaming_sparkling_trash261 Жыл бұрын
For the ones that want to dive into the details, I think we have to justify that the differential equation is defined for b in (R+*) in order for e^(-bx) to actually tend towards 0, then use the continuity of parameter integrals so that I(b) -> I(0) when b->0. Finally, the dominated convergence theorem gives us that I(b) -> 0 when b->inf. We conclude with the fact that arctan + pi/2 -> pi/2 when b->0, and uniqueness of the limit : both limits I(0) and pi/2 are equal ♡
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
Why would anyone think to add e^x thiugh this COMES OUT OF NOWHERE..what I thought to do was replace sinex with e^ix from Eulers formula..isn't thst smarter and more intuitive? I think he needs to justify where e^x cones from if anything it should be ln x he is adding nkt e^× since 1/× is the derivative of ln x not e^×..
@yuchenwang679
@yuchenwang679 5 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a bit rusty, but don't you need to prove uniform convergence before bringing the differentiation sign inside the integral?
@MsMaciekk
@MsMaciekk 5 жыл бұрын
I think you're right. I was thinking the same
@andreisecuiu6491
@andreisecuiu6491 5 жыл бұрын
Does it help? I am not an expert in the field (yet): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule
@vdlanlalapalem3328
@vdlanlalapalem3328 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir ,I have understood finally after watching your video...
@janmejaysinghrathore7197
@janmejaysinghrathore7197 5 жыл бұрын
Beautifully explained! On to contour integrals now!
@PackSciences
@PackSciences 7 жыл бұрын
At 14:18 : You say that since e^-bx matters, the integral converges for all values of b >= 0. Well it's true for b > 0. The reasoning cannot work for b = 0 because it's slightly more complicated than that (but it converges too). Counter example : Integral from 0 to infinity of e^-bx/x dx doesn't converge for b = 0.
@footskills4953
@footskills4953 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, this is Zachary Lee. You are absolutely right to be concerned about the convergence at b=0. What you want to do is let b approach 0 from the right. If you want a rigorous explanation, check out Appendix A, on page 21 of this document: www.math.uconn.edu/~kconrad/blurbs/analysis/diffunderint.pdf
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Footskills here's the man!!!
@Cannongabang
@Cannongabang 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was a brief explanation haahahhahaha
@footskills4953
@footskills4953 7 жыл бұрын
And here I am again!!! Btw, great explanation!
@Tyns19
@Tyns19 7 жыл бұрын
PackSciences your counter example should be rearranged as (e^(-b x)-1)/x Btw e^(-b x)/x diverges for all values of "b"
@ClumpypooCP
@ClumpypooCP 7 жыл бұрын
Lmao the "isn't it" in the thumbnail
@arikaizen2064
@arikaizen2064 4 жыл бұрын
i actually love your videos so much!
@noelwass4738
@noelwass4738 Жыл бұрын
Very elegant and nicely presented.
@ersin486
@ersin486 4 жыл бұрын
20:35 Dont you get, if you integrate 0, another constant? Because the derivative of an Constant is 0 too
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 4 жыл бұрын
elp 486 It’s a definite integral of 0 from a to b, so there’s no area. : )
@bigjosh2517
@bigjosh2517 7 жыл бұрын
This integral's easy. Just pretend that all angles are small, replace sin(x) = x, the x's cancel so you're left with the integral of 1 :D
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 7 жыл бұрын
Hard to justify with those zero to infy limits. ;-)
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 7 жыл бұрын
so, pi/2 \approx inf?
@kikones34
@kikones34 7 жыл бұрын
How can you pretend all angles are small? The angle goes to infinity o_O
@mike4ty4
@mike4ty4 7 жыл бұрын
@kikones34 : Yeah, that's the joke (note the ":D" grin at the end.). But it _does_ work for the _variable_-bound integral int_{0...x} sin(t)/t dt which, by the way, defines the standard mathematical function Si(x), the "sine integral" function, because you can then consider when all angles in the integration are small. If you take sin(t) ~ t then you say for _small_ x that int_{0...x} sin(t)/t dt ~ int_{0...x} t/t dt = int_{0...x} dt = x so Si(x) ~ x when x is small. And a Taylor expansion will show you that that makes sense, too: Si(x) = x - x^3/(3.3!) + x^5/(5.5!) - x^7/(7.7!) + x^9/(9.9!) - x^11/(11.11!) + ... so the first (lowest-order) term is x, thus at small x, Si(x) = x + O(x^3), meaning the rest vanishes like x^3.
@kikones34
@kikones34 7 жыл бұрын
@mike4ty4 Oh, sorry, I totally didn't get you were joking. I've been on a KZfaq trip of flat earther videos before watching this, so I was in a mindset in which I assumed nonsensical statements are actually serious and not jokes xD.. D:
@sasakiemc2601
@sasakiemc2601 5 жыл бұрын
Keep going my friend... the method that you're using to explain things is great
@vssudarshan89
@vssudarshan89 5 жыл бұрын
How would you do a double integral of the same with limits going from 0 to 1?
@Lofila999
@Lofila999 10 ай бұрын
💀I’m in 11th starting trying to learn this as my physics part needs it.
@alkankondo89
@alkankondo89 7 жыл бұрын
The content on your page is always so informative, and your excitement for the math you show is contagious. By the way, have you considered making a Patreon page? I would gladly support! Also, how sneaky of you to wear the "Basic" shirt that has the lowercase-delta on it, foreshadowing the partial derivatives you use in the video.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
LOL! Thanks! In fact, that wasn't planned. lolllll
@jadegrace1312
@jadegrace1312 6 жыл бұрын
Thats not a lowercase Delta
@rv1111
@rv1111 6 жыл бұрын
Here comes the paid publishing
@j121212100
@j121212100 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! Love that technique! When you truly understand things calculus can do anything!
@wduandy
@wduandy 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, every video manage to be amazing then the last one :O
@jackchai5808
@jackchai5808 7 жыл бұрын
Please do more video about the Feynman Techniques Thanks a lot
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Jack Chai ok
@tharunmahesh7279
@tharunmahesh7279 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, great video! Loved your explanation. I still have one doubt, however . when we solve for I'(b) and we get an e^-bx in the numerator, the fact that lim(x--->infinity)e^-bx =0 holds only for positive b values, not for b=0. But the issue is, to solve the original integral, we are inputting the value of b as 0, even after taking the above limit. but certainly, the value is matching, so how do we resolve the above anomaly?
@riccardopuca9310
@riccardopuca9310 2 жыл бұрын
I also had this question. Anyone can help?
@asirpagabriella5327
@asirpagabriella5327 2 жыл бұрын
@@riccardopuca9310 Maybe you have to set b>0, but when going back to the original, you let b approaches 0+?
@stephenchurch1784
@stephenchurch1784 Жыл бұрын
The last step where he solves I(b) for b = 0 is a clever trick to avoid putting 0 into e^-bx. If you've taken diffeq, you can confirm for yourself by solving the original integral with a laplace transform. It'll also answer where the e^-bx came from in the first place
@kalimachios
@kalimachios Жыл бұрын
had the same problem - i guess one can make b > 0, and then take the lim as b -> 0 from above on the I'(b) or I(b).. and would still be fine .. but how is presented, has that small issue
@UnOrdelyConduct
@UnOrdelyConduct 7 жыл бұрын
good old sinc function. Learned about it last year in signals and systems. Always nice to have refreshers like these that explain everything so well. Good job!
@franzluggin398
@franzluggin398 7 жыл бұрын
The integral over sinc(x) also has a name (since it's not an elementary function), the Si(x) ("integral sine", no the abbreviation doesn't make sense).
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
What does the c stand for in why it is called a sinc function?
@UnOrdelyConduct
@UnOrdelyConduct 2 жыл бұрын
@@carultch it’s just a notation that is used to define sin(x)/x. I forget if there are any special properties to it, but it was used a lot in the signals class I took years ago during my undergrad. I believe I watched this the semester after I took it. Taking a look a bit, pretty much the application we had was that the Fourier transform of a rectangular function is the sinc function. I don’t remember much past that as I haven’t used it for years since then
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
@@UnOrdelyConduct I found the answer. It is called "sine cardinal". Not sure what cardinal would mean in this context, or if it has anything to do with cardinal numbers, but that's why it is called sinc of all possible names.
@user-mf3mp2ko2d
@user-mf3mp2ko2d 5 жыл бұрын
It's the first time I see this way of integration and I'm amazed!
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
Does theta stand for anything particular in Greek, relating to angles? Or is it just an arbitrary letter that has historically been used for representing angles similar to how x and y represent Cartesian coordinate variables? Probably, the reason x/y/z are used for representing Cartesian coordinate variables, is that it is the trio of neighboring letters in the alphabet, that is LEAST likely to stand for anything in particular, and therefore they are letters used as wildcards.
@samiali2434
@samiali2434 5 жыл бұрын
I came in just because i saw the name Feynman
@abdullahbinjahed6900
@abdullahbinjahed6900 5 жыл бұрын
me too
@supriya1423
@supriya1423 4 жыл бұрын
You got it ,me too
@EpicUnderscoreJdog
@EpicUnderscoreJdog 7 жыл бұрын
just noticed that his shirt is the partial derivative of asics
@migtrewornan8085
@migtrewornan8085 6 жыл бұрын
I tried this integral by taking the expansion of sin(x) and dividing each term by x then integrating the result - I managed to reach a closed form but couldn't get any further. Is it possible to do the integral this way and if so how do you evaluate the resulting series?
@anirbankaran3521
@anirbankaran3521 5 жыл бұрын
You can use Dirac Delta function as the integration of cosine from zero to infinity and that will help to reach the result in very few steps.
@8796205190
@8796205190 5 жыл бұрын
Hi professor, You are doing great...
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@deanna113
@deanna113 7 жыл бұрын
Great videos, planning to recommend to my students but not a fan of notation x=inf or of plugging in x=inf. Students will do this without the understanding you have and will lead to some issues in calculating limits such as inf/inf =1. Please remember you're a role model :)
@rudboy9599
@rudboy9599 7 жыл бұрын
Deanna Baxter I always just plugged in infinity. Didn't lead to any misunderstandings. It's more cumbersome to take the limit, though it's technically correct. You first introduce indeterminate forms in order to avoid issues.
@Abdega
@Abdega 7 жыл бұрын
Rudboy I agree, sadly sometimes students won't be lucky enough to get a grader who will be forgiving. I one time did that and the grader goes "While your final answer is correct, you can't just set something as infinity" There was another part of the problem where I got the answer correct, and they go "your answer in this part is correct *AND* your math is right, but you weren't supposed to get it that way" I ended up getting only half credit for that problem This was an assignment where we had to do ten problems but only *two* of them would be selected at random and graded so one quarter of my grade on that went out the window Needless to say, I was salty
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Deanna Baxter if the students are interested in this integral in the first place, they should be ok and understanding this shorthand notation. Btw, a MIT professor also does that in his calc lectures for improper integral.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gc6nhK52xNrQlGQ.html
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!! :)
@michaelmello42
@michaelmello42 10 ай бұрын
Inspired! Love this channel.
@modenaboy
@modenaboy 3 жыл бұрын
Can you like a video twice? Just watched this again, and still awesome. Thanks for this!
@harrystuart7455
@harrystuart7455 6 жыл бұрын
Isn't I'(b) undefined for b=0? It confuses me how you can make deductions about I(b) at b=0 from its differential when its differential is undefined at that point. Forgive me if this may sound dumb, the furthest I've been taught in school so far is integrating polynomials, but is there a way to justify this in a more rigorous sense or is it actually fine and I'm nit-picking over something irrelevant?
@martinepstein9826
@martinepstein9826 6 жыл бұрын
He is using the limit as x -> 0 of sin(x)/x which equals 1.
@chopcooey
@chopcooey 5 жыл бұрын
the function is undefined, but the derivative isn't
@michelkhoury1470
@michelkhoury1470 5 жыл бұрын
I(b) is defined in 0 but I'(b) isn't defined in 0
@michelkhoury1470
@michelkhoury1470 5 жыл бұрын
For example the function f(x)=sqrt(x) is defined in 0 but its derivate is not defined in 0 because f'(x)= 1/(2*sqrt(x))
@MagnusSkiptonLLC
@MagnusSkiptonLLC 7 жыл бұрын
Who else reads his shirt as "partial asics"?
@abcdef2069
@abcdef2069 6 жыл бұрын
at 10:26, at what condition can you interchange the derivative and the integral? and why not using the residue method?
@donnypassary5798
@donnypassary5798 7 жыл бұрын
Just found your video from randomly browsing youtube, and I really like your enthusiastic way to explain those problem. I heard about this differentiation technique since I was a sophomore, but didn't get the "why" part: Why differentiation? Why new parameter? Why e^-bx? It's all make sense to me now thanks to your video. Keep up the good work!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Donny. You can also check out Zach's page in my description. He has a lot of great stuff there!
@thomasg6830
@thomasg6830 7 жыл бұрын
The cut at 14:02 is kind of confusing.
@dhvsheabdh
@dhvsheabdh 6 жыл бұрын
thomas g Just got to it, I reckon he's solved it already, then started talking about his steps and realised it'd fit better with the part where he was previously (in his timeline) talking about it.
@xxsamperrinxx3993
@xxsamperrinxx3993 5 жыл бұрын
It's so he can outline that b has to be positive, and it probably makes the most sense to put the clip here
@adi-sngh
@adi-sngh 4 жыл бұрын
When u sleep on class
@user-en5vj6vr2u
@user-en5vj6vr2u 4 жыл бұрын
it spoiled the rest of the video
@Ma2Ju
@Ma2Ju 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing the trick with the e-function. Would not have seen this and could be very useful. When I did this problem for -inf to inf I did it with Fourier transformation by writing sinx/x as the fourier transformation of the rectangle function. After changing order of integration you get a delta distribution and the other integral collapses as well. Of course you get Pi at the end.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Zach showed me (as I mentioned in the video).
@chuckstarwar7890
@chuckstarwar7890 3 жыл бұрын
We used to think that it is such a basic calculus skill for all college students, now it becomes a show and privilege. I hope it will bring more interests among the young generations.
@francorenatocampanavalderr2109
@francorenatocampanavalderr2109 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!great technique! Great explanation! A huge hug from Peru - South America
@nayutaito9421
@nayutaito9421 7 жыл бұрын
My mind was blown infinitely away
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
伊藤那由多 loll
@GusTheWolfgang
@GusTheWolfgang 7 жыл бұрын
This was great!!!!!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
AugustoDRA thank you!
@uyangapuujee4508
@uyangapuujee4508 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@blackpenredpen what’s the concept of this Feynman’s method? I studied calculus but I don’t think I’ve seen this method and I wasn’t taught this. How do I know when to use and for what integrals? Please, I’m trying to understand it. I’m studying A-level maths in the Uk, if that’s helpful. Thank you 😁 also I love your videos! So good
@MSS864
@MSS864 4 жыл бұрын
The integration techniques are so amazing!
@JamalAhmadMalik
@JamalAhmadMalik 5 жыл бұрын
Most satisfying video ever! Love you BlackpenRedpen!
@alczhou
@alczhou 7 жыл бұрын
谢谢
@user-dn4bo2lo5e
@user-dn4bo2lo5e 4 жыл бұрын
Your claim that the expression inside the integral is going to 0 when x approcheing to infinity is very problematic when you understand that we considering the case when b=0. Then, the integral wouldn't be convergent, so how can you explain that?
@fabianpascalabt6353
@fabianpascalabt6353 4 жыл бұрын
x approaches 0 from the right. With a weapon. Also discussed later in the comments
@dr.rahulgupta7573
@dr.rahulgupta7573 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation in simple manner. Vow !
@Magic73805
@Magic73805 6 жыл бұрын
Mind Blowing Explanation Sir...👍👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌
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