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Integration By Differentiating Under The Integral Sign (HBD Feynman)

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Andrew Dotson

Andrew Dotson

Күн бұрын

In celebration of Richard Feynmans birthday, this video goes over a method of integration not invented by him, but still one of his favorites!

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@astropartydan
@astropartydan 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for giving Feynman props. In “Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman”, Feynman talks about how he was always the integral guy at MIT, Princeton, and while working for Manhattan Project at Los Alamos. It came from his unique tool box of math tricks he learned from “Advanced Calculus” by Woods, which his HS physics teacher forced him to read since he was too talkative in class (because he was bored).
@suvajitdey1101
@suvajitdey1101 4 жыл бұрын
I today read about it and rush to KZfaq to search for this this method...
@bilalhussein9730
@bilalhussein9730 4 жыл бұрын
@@suvajitdey1101 Read Smirnov's Course of Higher Mathematics Volume 2. It explains generally about integrals dependent on a parameter. Justifying the method rigorously requires the dominated convergence theorem but for applications no one bothers checking convergence.
@suvajitdey1101
@suvajitdey1101 4 жыл бұрын
@@bilalhussein9730 thank you friend.
@ulfatahmad1354
@ulfatahmad1354 2 жыл бұрын
AA
@JewJon08
@JewJon08 6 жыл бұрын
I screamed out with joy when the natural logs canceled... it's a habit.
@yourlordandsaviouryeesusbe2998
@yourlordandsaviouryeesusbe2998 5 жыл бұрын
@Intelligence Injection lmfao 😂😂😂😂
@hiagoalves198
@hiagoalves198 5 жыл бұрын
me too. I felt like those girls reacting to kpop hahaha
@knightvertrag
@knightvertrag 5 жыл бұрын
Surprised you don't have throat cancer.
@TheGoldenutz
@TheGoldenutz 4 жыл бұрын
All engineering students feel your excitement 😂
@cansomer6433
@cansomer6433 4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@Emirates1598
@Emirates1598 4 жыл бұрын
Lab partner: We need to calculate this integral asap! Me: Nah bro, just use the Simpson method.
@GammaFZ
@GammaFZ 3 жыл бұрын
or taylor approximate and then use the power rule
@kalebbruwer
@kalebbruwer 5 жыл бұрын
I finished his book "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman" less than an hour ago, he mentions this in the book, so finding this in my recommendations was a pleasant surprise.
@imonmahbub9515
@imonmahbub9515 2 жыл бұрын
This video just made my integral life wayyyyyy much easier. Also really thanks to Sir Feynman!
@chadwaldron3568
@chadwaldron3568 2 жыл бұрын
Took Calc 50 years ago but I could still follow this. One of my profs said Calc will stay with you all of your life. I'm amazed.
@AndrewDotsonvideos
@AndrewDotsonvideos 2 жыл бұрын
Like riding a bike? That’s awesome !
@pabloAT98
@pabloAT98 5 жыл бұрын
I have been a subscriber of you for a few months now. I was reading "surely you're joking Mr Feynman" and got to the chapter where he talks about this thing I hadn't been taught, so I decided to google it and found a video of you explaining it! Haha cheers from a physics student in Chile!
@NazriB
@NazriB 2 жыл бұрын
Lies again? Google Drive
@MisterPeanutButter1
@MisterPeanutButter1 4 жыл бұрын
This is so awesome! Feynman describes using this technique in 'Surely You're Joking'. I was very curious to what that technique was, even asked some teachers, but I never did find out. I very happy to finally know the approach!
@noway2831
@noway2831 4 жыл бұрын
I love that I can finally understand one of your videos. Whenever you talk about nabla this and nabla that I have no clue what you're saying, but when you talk about pure maths everything clicks.
@KeithJones-yq6of
@KeithJones-yq6of Жыл бұрын
Great video, Mr Maths. Feynman was a genius physicist and probably one of the best teachers of science at every level EVER! He will live on forever
@lesnyk255
@lesnyk255 4 жыл бұрын
I was never taught this method, and was completely unaware of its existence until I watched blackpenredpen integrate sinc(x) over the non-negative domain. It was a revelation! I love this method, it is sooooo cool!
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 4 жыл бұрын
Andrew you are my savior. I have spent hours trying to figure this out from professors notes for the final and you explained this amazingly
@pipertripp
@pipertripp 6 жыл бұрын
That's badass. A very cool technique to be sure. I'll have to find to practice examples to try it out on. Thx for sharing it.
@gamma_dablam
@gamma_dablam 4 жыл бұрын
sin(x)/x
@johnishikawa2200
@johnishikawa2200 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Even though I am rusty with calculus, I can still appreciate the elegance of this method, and maybe this is just what I need to motivate me to jump back into this material with both feet!
@restitutororbis964
@restitutororbis964 6 жыл бұрын
Isnt this practically just the Leibniz Integral rule?
@AndrewDotsonvideos
@AndrewDotsonvideos 6 жыл бұрын
Yup!
@tauhid9983
@tauhid9983 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rahul-cb4jb Nah u don't get to say that!
@roshanrajshah5817
@roshanrajshah5817 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rahul-cb4jb Fraud is very harsh word.
@randomdude9135
@randomdude9135 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rahul-cb4jb Physicists always like to take the credit of Mathematicians. Poor Leibniz isn't given as much credit for inventing calculus as Newton is. Eventhough both did indptly.
@allaincumming6313
@allaincumming6313 4 жыл бұрын
Leibniz rule isn't normally taught. Feynman popularized it because he studied it from a book of an MIT professor, and he became locally famous among physics students for solving integrals that can't be solved by the normal taught methods.
@ottod.g.6660
@ottod.g.6660 Жыл бұрын
I remember looking at this years ago - thinking it made no sense at all. I looked at it again today after being introduced to "Differentiation Under The Integral Sign" in my PDE class and gosh....it feels so good to understand how the heck this works.
@AndrewDotsonvideos
@AndrewDotsonvideos Жыл бұрын
Such a good feeling. I used to watch videos way above what I could understand just because it was exciting to see what was around the corner. But then once you do understand it, for some reason it gets so easy to forget what was so hard about it for you in the first place. Do you remember what was unclear your first time around? Asking so I can put myself in those shoes better next time.
@ottod.g.6660
@ottod.g.6660 Жыл бұрын
@@AndrewDotsonvideos I keep doing that continuously - even if you don't understand something clearly, at the very least you build up some familiarity. Well, I think what really confused me back then was how you re-defined the integral and how you jumped to differentiate it with a partial derivative. [Keep in mind that back then I only got exposed to Calculus I and was going on to Calculus II, so I had no idea what a partial derivative was]. I think you skipped one step (which is pretty obvious now but wasn't as obvious then to me - is more of a notation issue, I guess, since you do mention that you're differentiating g(x)) and that was how differentiating w.r.t. "x" can initially be written as d/dt Integral{0 to 1} (t^x-1)/ln(t) dt = Integral{0 to 1} partial(d)/partial(d)x (t^x-1)/ln(t) dt That was the only confusion I had really, the rest of it was just needed practice with integrals. Also, I really really appreciate your response and consideration - your videos have inspired me a lot on my path to staying in Physics. :)
@listentome5583
@listentome5583 4 жыл бұрын
Bro your handwriting is beautiful. Especially your “d”s
@yousiftop7605
@yousiftop7605 2 жыл бұрын
a year ago, i watched this vid and understood nothing (cuz was dumb). still dumb but with some more knowledge and the video was so helpful. thank you andrew.
@wumichael487
@wumichael487 4 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy when you just take a step back, and everything becomes so easy and clear.
@AmigoRigo
@AmigoRigo 5 жыл бұрын
Because you're so serious in your jokes, being serious here makes me think you're joking
@davidrittenhouse1774
@davidrittenhouse1774 4 жыл бұрын
Surely you're joking, Mr. Dotson!
@sandipanchatterjee5965
@sandipanchatterjee5965 4 жыл бұрын
😜Good one
@danielburgess7101
@danielburgess7101 3 жыл бұрын
There was something really satisfying about your marker pens. Keep that up and you’ll have a fan for life.
@humzahkhan6299
@humzahkhan6299 3 жыл бұрын
My teacher was one of Feynman’s first students. It’s cool to see this video recommended like this. I have an exam tmrw wish me luck guys.
@rajendramisir3530
@rajendramisir3530 5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Dotson, I like this integral you chose to demonstrate Dr. Richard Feyman"s technique. I admire the way you explained here in a clear, timely and patient manner. Thanks Andrew and Dr. Feyman.
@vangrails
@vangrails 5 жыл бұрын
And Leibniz, because Leibniz invented this.
@WizardCell
@WizardCell 4 жыл бұрын
You made my day! The method looks amazing. We learned it in class, but never understand it right as I did here! Thank you!
@pokechao196
@pokechao196 5 жыл бұрын
I was never taught this, so it's nice to finally learn this technique. I think there are some integrals I need to retry now...
@aniruddhadatta8098
@aniruddhadatta8098 5 жыл бұрын
Same here
@Alan_Clark
@Alan_Clark 6 жыл бұрын
I have seen several videos of this technique on KZfaq, but this is the clearest! Thanks.
@ComarLantern
@ComarLantern 4 жыл бұрын
I just found out this video 2 years later after it was uploaded and i am hopefully going to go to university next year to study physics. I have been watching your content for a while but i never went into the math videos because i am only graduating highschool and i only know how to integrate and how to take derivative of a function. I havent taken calculus but in Turkey our education system in highschool is a little bit harder. We take beginners level QM (basically starting from bohr and ending with coumpton event and debroglie wavelenght but no complex math we just learn the formulas and the philosophy behind them.), we take organic chemistry which was almost university level but now they simplified it a lot idk why it used to be like that glad that i didnt have to go through that lol. And we end math class with chamber analytics after we learn integral. Well as much as i know it was calculus level before but it was simplified couple of years ago. So i only knew integration techniques and ya know how to find an area under a function and some simple problems with integration/derivation. I dont know how to get an integral of natural log so i was curious about the video because those parts were cut out from our education system few years ago as i said. Soooo you didnt really need to know these but i just wanted to tell because i wanted you to know that i wasnt really at this level yet (even though its basic and i know some of it from my own research apart from school) and i really really enjoyed the video. You explained it really well and this was uploaded on feynmans bday unironically. I ejaculated after the ln(t)s disabled each other (jk jk). Thanks andrew, i love your videos! Greetings from Turkey!
@Strange_Quarks
@Strange_Quarks 4 жыл бұрын
i love how i've watched this 3 times but still don't fully understand it yet
@TheAnbyrley
@TheAnbyrley 4 жыл бұрын
That was a great explanation of the method. Good work!
@malenno9641
@malenno9641 5 жыл бұрын
Math tricks like these are so cool. Thanks for the video
@ChristAliveForevermore
@ChristAliveForevermore 2 жыл бұрын
Richard Feynman made this tidbit of advanced calculus quite famous. I printed out the PDF of Advanced Calculus which he used back then and lo and behold it was in there!
@nexus3112
@nexus3112 Жыл бұрын
Watching him make sure the equation for integrating a to the power x was right multiple times in his head to make the vdo in one take was hilarious 😂
@Dexfire20
@Dexfire20 4 жыл бұрын
Our university SQU recommends your video for independent learning 👍🏻
@jakedones2099
@jakedones2099 4 жыл бұрын
I love it. It is so nice. You differentiate with one variable and integrate with the same variable. I don't care who made it. It's genius
@theprince11
@theprince11 6 жыл бұрын
Sup! That was a really good explanation. Can you please provide some more examples of where we can apply this kinda technique?
@AlchemistOfNirnroot
@AlchemistOfNirnroot 5 жыл бұрын
Wtf just happened... Feel like the education system has been holding back *history channel alien music starts*
@piyushpatil4679
@piyushpatil4679 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favourite technique.
@meralsenses1376
@meralsenses1376 3 жыл бұрын
It was fun. I really enjoy watching it and I am going to watch it again. Thanks🙏😊
@capitalist_cosmonaut451
@capitalist_cosmonaut451 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks this is a great video on how to do Feynman integration really appreciate it.
@edd.
@edd. Жыл бұрын
I love that technique!!! Great presentation!!
@SK-qc2hb
@SK-qc2hb 3 жыл бұрын
T is the thing we will use to exploit the integral. WITH RESPECT TO T.
@duncanw9901
@duncanw9901 6 жыл бұрын
Great! Can you talk about this being a special case of the Leibniz rule for integration?
@zokalyx
@zokalyx 6 жыл бұрын
yes I would really like that.
@albertrichard3659
@albertrichard3659 Жыл бұрын
Poor Leibniz keeps on getting his stuff stolen by physicists. First Newton and calculus and now Feynman and DUTIS.
@cottawalla
@cottawalla 3 жыл бұрын
One of the better explanations. Thanks.
@akankshasingh5749
@akankshasingh5749 6 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome video and I love this method.Thank you.
@billfeatherstone3018
@billfeatherstone3018 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again very calm explanation is easy to absorb 😎😍
@paulwirkus4182
@paulwirkus4182 5 жыл бұрын
i honestly love your beard.
@rmsvideos1335
@rmsvideos1335 6 жыл бұрын
Does it work for indefinite integrals?
@goose5996
@goose5996 5 жыл бұрын
yeah for the last steps instead of subbing in the bounds to find g'(x), you need leave the integral as it is ((t^(x+1))/(x+1)), then integrate that with respect to x. whatever that comes out to be would be your indefinitely integral.
@tedsheridan8725
@tedsheridan8725 5 жыл бұрын
@@goose5996 Not exactly an easy integral to take. The problem in video only works out nicely because the limits are 0 and 1. For other values the exponent stays and g'(x) is no longer an elementary integral.
@Soulheavenx
@Soulheavenx 5 жыл бұрын
It would be easier because you won’t have the upper and lower integral and you’ll have a constant in the end
@simohayha6031
@simohayha6031 4 жыл бұрын
@@goose5996 mostly only works if you have actual values in your integral sign. I saw one today integral from 0 to infinity of cos(5x)e^(-x^2) and it only worked using knowledge that 0 to inf of gaussian is sqrt pi/2. The actual primitive function involves error functions etc. This technique basically is a way to go around of non elementary functions to evaluate it to a number
@joryjones6808
@joryjones6808 4 жыл бұрын
Ted Sheridan I think the problem might be with is example because Integral( 1/ln(x)) aka Li(x) is a non elementary function.
@spencergee6948
@spencergee6948 2 жыл бұрын
Talking at the camera (mike) and then at the board is like the scene from 'Singing in the Rain'!
@weird407
@weird407 6 жыл бұрын
I have never seen this, but I remember applying something like this when I got stuck. Nice to know how it is formally done!
@sungod9797
@sungod9797 Жыл бұрын
Our advanced calculus professor gave us almost the exact same integral for one of our quizzes lol. It was integral from 0 to 1 of (x^2-1)/lnx, which is basically g(2) for g as defined in your video lol. So the final answer ended up being ln(2+1) = ln3 as the final answer.
@111thisguy
@111thisguy 8 ай бұрын
my calc 2 professor knew this would be too powerful to teach this
@EngMorvan
@EngMorvan 2 жыл бұрын
I love this method. 💙
@fernandogarciacortez4911
@fernandogarciacortez4911 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! After finishing calc I wanted to know some other methods, and since I always study physics, Feynman's was always mentioned in some of my books.
@dr.rahulgupta7573
@dr.rahulgupta7573 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation of the topics in a beautiful manner. Thanks.DrRahul Rohtak Haryana India
@claudefazio
@claudefazio 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@markdatton1348
@markdatton1348 4 жыл бұрын
Bro I'm in calc 2 and we just finished trig sub and did by parts, and I kind of knew vaguely about this but not really, and now I'm about to watch all the lectures cause that was neat
@Emirates1598
@Emirates1598 4 жыл бұрын
Calc 2 also in here! 😆 Well, if your semester isn't already over (-__-)
@sss-ol3dl
@sss-ol3dl 6 жыл бұрын
I tried it myself but used [(t^3 - 1) t^x]/ln(t) as the integrand. You get the same answer but have to consider g(x) as x approaches infinity to get the integrating constant. :)
@datitaniumduck9620
@datitaniumduck9620 Жыл бұрын
Im probably late, but thanks for the vid bro, this helped me learn about Feynman's technique to integrate. It is out of portions for me currently, but it is interesting nonetheless.
@TranquilSeaOfMath
@TranquilSeaOfMath 8 ай бұрын
You did a nice job explaining this.
@AndrewDotsonvideos
@AndrewDotsonvideos 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@paulboard8221
@paulboard8221 6 жыл бұрын
You should do a review of the looks at the met gala it'll be fun
@nathanryan12
@nathanryan12 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating technique
@subnow4862
@subnow4862 4 жыл бұрын
Woah! Nice vid. Thanks for showing this method of integration.
@remixex369
@remixex369 4 жыл бұрын
Something confused me, 7:21 why is g(x=0) the integral of 0 to 1 of 0dt?? Wouldnt it be the integral of -1/ln(t) from 0 to 1? Since you are replacing X not t, also that poses another problem, you are integrating the function for t=0 on a ln(t) which would be undefined, and also t^0 would also be undefined... Is it that trivial? Please tell me :(
@MrPetrolhead007
@MrPetrolhead007 4 жыл бұрын
when you put g(x=0) the integrand becomes (t^0 - 1)/ln(t) but t^0 = 1 so the numerator becomes 1 - 1 = 0 so the integral is 0 so g(0)=0
@jam9339
@jam9339 11 ай бұрын
IM LOVIN THIS❤❤
@unknown360ful
@unknown360ful 6 жыл бұрын
I knew this method too! Thanks for showing it to us! REALLY COOL! HBD FEYNMAN!
@albertobermejo9557
@albertobermejo9557 6 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for these integrals videos they're being very helpful for my 2nd year in physics
@chandlerkenworthy3185
@chandlerkenworthy3185 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant video and explanation.
@yashuppot3214
@yashuppot3214 5 жыл бұрын
Assum e=3 and proceed
@sfundomabaso3200
@sfundomabaso3200 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@chymoney1
@chymoney1 6 жыл бұрын
Certainly not in the BC calc curriculum
@mrnarason
@mrnarason 6 жыл бұрын
well partial derivatives are calc iii and i'm pretty sure BC calc only covers integrals and series.
@chymoney1
@chymoney1 6 жыл бұрын
Victor P. concept of a taking the derivative with respect to x isn’t to daunting after a year of calc
@mrnarason
@mrnarason 6 жыл бұрын
???
@1999colebug
@1999colebug 6 жыл бұрын
I'm with you Victor, I don't know what they're talking about. I think they're saying partial derivatives (which they call taking the derivative with respect to x) aren't too daunting if you've taken a year of calc.
@chymoney1
@chymoney1 6 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly what im saying
@mertokyay6401
@mertokyay6401 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man, love ur videos! But I have a question, this integral seems to be a type 2 improper integral. Why didn’t you evaluate as an improper integral?
@cliffordwilliams9597
@cliffordwilliams9597 4 жыл бұрын
WOW! So beautiful! Thank you!!
@thaitrieu791
@thaitrieu791 2 жыл бұрын
Came here once in grade 10 and it was too early. Now I come back and get ready to beat my calc 2 teacher exam
@kseniachernishov1904
@kseniachernishov1904 5 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if you'll make a video just solving integrals for a couple of hours :)
@fillashthrownout3309
@fillashthrownout3309 2 жыл бұрын
You're they Ryan Reynolds of Mathematics. Keep it simple, that's cool👍
@chamnil8666
@chamnil8666 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation,thank you so much
@mrnogot4251
@mrnogot4251 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I love integration
@stebz586
@stebz586 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic.
@lnribeiro1
@lnribeiro1 3 жыл бұрын
Very good. And useful.
@drover7476
@drover7476 5 жыл бұрын
This was such a class video well in mate
@piboson6141
@piboson6141 4 жыл бұрын
Feynman is greatest physicist of all times.
@michaelsalinger2134
@michaelsalinger2134 5 жыл бұрын
Super cool! Easy to follow as well
@JivanPal
@JivanPal 2 жыл бұрын
Alternative way of doing the final step (after g' is found) that doesn't require you to find the constant of integration: g(3) = g(0) + \int_{0}^{3} { g'(x) dx }.
@rwalkos
@rwalkos 6 жыл бұрын
That was actually really cool and haven't come across this yet.
@Goldslate73
@Goldslate73 3 жыл бұрын
This is happiness
@jackdusch8896
@jackdusch8896 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna try this Electrostatics
@APAstronaut333
@APAstronaut333 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that was so amazing
@nosferatu5500
@nosferatu5500 6 жыл бұрын
Richard Feynman is my favourite physicist
@fogger9998
@fogger9998 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man That helps a lot
@haryr_
@haryr_ Ай бұрын
Could you have dealt with the logarithmic function in the denominator instead, and could have gotten to the same answer via Feynman’s method
@Bri-mv8wv
@Bri-mv8wv 4 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to learn how to do this!
@ramazandurmaz3012
@ramazandurmaz3012 4 жыл бұрын
Very clear!
@yeetholmes619
@yeetholmes619 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@nacharrobinson9501
@nacharrobinson9501 4 жыл бұрын
You just gained a subscriber
@AlbinoJedi
@AlbinoJedi 5 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting. Never seen that before.
@yoavwilliamson3378
@yoavwilliamson3378 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting method! Very cool thx bro
@achalanand2213
@achalanand2213 3 жыл бұрын
Actually Feynman did not invent this technique , this technique was mentioned in an unpopular book of Integrals in Feynman's time, he was lucky to find it.
@limitededition1485
@limitededition1485 3 ай бұрын
Didn't get why we put 0 to get c
@Bronoulli
@Bronoulli 4 жыл бұрын
Dude. Please do more videos like this
@marvelousthetheoreticalphy6540
@marvelousthetheoreticalphy6540 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@ps3265
@ps3265 5 жыл бұрын
I know the original integration went from 0 to 1 interval... Is this interval baked into the g'(x) and/or g(x) functions? I know the initial condition was used when he plugged in x=0, but I'm not sure when the end of the interval, i.e. 1, was used. Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
@ApiolJoe
@ApiolJoe 5 жыл бұрын
Same here.
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