AMD: "When your enemy is making a mistake don't interrupt them."

Ai not mentioned🎊🎉🍾

Thanks for the shout out and great rundown!

Intel: The Boeing of CPUs

In their desperation to somehow keep up with AMD, Intel has cranked their chips so much they now burn themselves out. Bravo!

Processor ❌ Bunch of electrons jumping around on a rock✅

I have an i9-14900k and can confirm, this has been a living hell. Web pages randomly crashing, blue screens, and discord dying. This is horrible.

Next 15th Gen Intel: "Fire Lake"

"...a bunch of electrons dance on a rock" is so funny, yet accurate it hurts. Building a processor sounds like the hardest job ever. The resulting product is magic to me.

When there's an error when im playing a video game I usually blame Microsoft, now I can blame intel too.

Intel was dead to me the day they integrated the Intel “management engine” on their chips totally outside of the users control. Even Andrew Tanenbaum, who wrote the OS it was built from, has decried it as thinly veiled spyware.

Here's the truth, a little bit of inside info: There is no bad microcode, the mobos are not broken, there are no flaws. The issue is with the CPU's architecture. You see, since the 12th gen intel started including the Efficiency-cores. Now those cores are running on the same bus as the Performance cores. With the last 2 gens (13th and 14th), to keep up with AMD, intel just drastically increased the clocks. This clock increase is severely heating the bus between these chips. It was not designed to run at these frequencies and temperatures, hence the obscene amount of crashes. Intel knows this because the guys from the QA department brought this up to management and management said "Fuck it, let's just milk these last 2-3 years since we are on the verge of releasing the new re-designed series." This is why they avoid doing anything because they know they can't fix and it's why they've been shifting the blame for so long. They are pushing for time. I know the whole story behind it, I simply chose to stay quiet for a long time because of reasons. I advise downclocking to 4.4-4.8ghz and the cpu will operate flawlessly, unless yours is broken after such a long time of running at the high clocks.

Man I need to start doing that error reporting style... prefix every fatal exception with "User error:"

This has been the best free marketing AMD could've never asked for

Been playing WoW for 20 years, never had any significant issues. Until i got an insane gaming pc last year with one of those chips. Nearly had to give up playing, crashing every 5 minutes and spent dozens of hours troubleshooting. I defintely believe everything that is being said in this video.

How did two generations of processors launch without Intel noticing the issue during QA? I imagined their QAs were very thorough and exhaustive, that is an epic failure.

AMD does nothing. Its competition keeps shooting itself in the foot. The best marketing strategy

Phew, I'm so happy I did not put the sticker on mine.

This exact thing happened to my brand new 14th Gen i7 laptop I bought for work. The motherboard lasted 2 months. Luckily I bought it from Lenovo and I think they did applied some firmware that declocked the CPU. The tech guy who came to my house to fix it said that they were purposefully overclocking these chips and didn't care that they were going to go bad but didn't think they would start to go bad this quickly. Hopefully, they'll do a recall on these and I can get my money back if this continues.

Wow, I didn't realize quite the bullet I was dodging when I got a cheap 12700k a year back rather than something new. I even got a free NVME drive with the open box motherboard (hiding under the heatsink). Crazy luck in retrospect.

Just rename them to "Sewage Lake"

I personally purchased a 14900k and immediately ran into issues with the video memory issue you mentioned, spent weeks going down insane rabbit holes and replacing everything. Only to find out that the default bios settings essentially cooked my cpu, fast forward to me ordering a 14900kf, undervolting, and using all the recommended power settings provided on intels website... only for the 14900kf to slowly fail over time as well... Intel has pretty much lost me as a customer for a very long time, I've had no issues with either of my AMD systems.

Amd was known for their chips burning about a decade ago and fixed the issue and left intel in the dust. the only people that still use intel should be large businesses that refuse to change and still use massively outdated intel chips. Amd outpreforms at every metric and has for a long time, including cost

People forgot that previous architecture had a problem with hyper threading and Intel solution was.. turn it off, both for old chips, and current ones that don't have it anymore. Don't know if it is incompetence, or planned obsolescence, but is close to becoming a pattern.

"Overflowing stack of problems" 😂😂😂

I am glad my broke ass doesnt have lastest 13th and 14th gen Intel

Had a superstition to not buy 13600k because "13" is ill luck. Curse my rationality

Well at least it's not a 110% failure rate. So that's good..

"On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero" Truly one of the quotes of all time

This is a crazy vid. Thanks for reporting on this. I started having these issues almost year ago on my 13th gen. Drove me nuts. Thought it was nvdia the whole time but then managed to narrow it down to my CPU. Disabled all my E cores and now finally no more crashing on anything... But thats like a majority of my cpu...

Got a 13th gen chip this past year. Been in contact with Intel for months with these exact problems, specifically issues at X referenced memory. Intel has been "clueless" about this issue when discussing with me and won't cover the warranty replacement or refund. Have had more help on random intel forum posts and reddit from other people who have these issues. Finally, I have been able to get a SOMEWHAT stable fix when underclocking the voltage, but still super disappointing.

>finaly build a high end machine >13700k

dude my PC has been shitting itself for weeks. everything is BRAND NEW. this explains so much. this is ridiculous.

I have an I5 14500k. I thought it was just me who had this problem: my PC would crash randomly and blue screen. My browser would crash some tabs and say that I didn't have enough memory. I reinstalled Windows, and the issue persisted. This video explains a lot!

Meanwhile, I'm here chilling with my 3rd-generation Intel processor.

The extra cache in AMD's x3d convinced me to get an AMD CPU this time around looks like I made the right choice

It's not like every failure results in a crash. Imagine all the non-crashing data corruption these could be causing. Definitely won't be getting a PC with one of these in it.

Nice fast paced video with all the details and quick jabs. Well done.

Putting the image of boogie as "end user" is nicely done.

As the owner of a 13900K, I can confirm the stability issues are insane.

Happy to use amd

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="84">1:24</a> the "computer" in the stock footage is actually a air purifier lol

I am so very, very, glad that I went with 12th gen Intel. I bought my laptop 6 months before 13th gen came out. Having "new" CPUs coming in 6 months was a concern of mine but I went with the model I chose. Phew, that was close.

This video validated my experience with my 14900k for the last year... ive had every single one of these problems and have had to underclock using extreme tuning utility to not bluescreen constantly. Im so mad i didnt just stick to amd

LMAO anyone remember that intel snake oil chart it keeps aging like the finest of milk

SO glad I went with AMD for my new rig... The Intel option was not only more expensive but a power hog.

Intel's issue is that this seems to be a hardware problem... probably. They can't RMA these chips because they don't have a working alternative to provide. Replacing a faulty chip with another faulty chip will only create extreme customer frustration. The alternative is "Buy AMD" and Intel will never allow that. Intel is trying to buy time for the next generation where hopefully they fix the issue. What they do with the millions of faulty chips is yet to be seen.

I've never been upset about choosing AMD every single time.

I think they know very well whats wrong. But they just dont want to admit it publicly.

Loaded up on INTC puts after watching this video when it was first published. At the time of writing intel is down 30% in 1 day. Thank you fireship Edit: Typo

That's what happens when you just keep dumping more and more power into them instead of making actual architecture improvements, just to claim the highest clock speeds. Doesn't matter how high the clock speeds are if the chip burns out and doesn't work, you get no clock speed.

I never trusted raptors. Everybody who has watched any part of the Jurassic Park franchise should know, they screw you over and eat you alive.

Literally everyone with a raptor lake CPU now: any and all crashes are intel's fault!

it is sad that I am seeing this issue with my 13th gen...

Thank GOD I went with a 7800X3D instead of a i7-14700K in my recent PC replacement.

DAMN. The 7800X3D was a good call on my part.

punish corporate greed and incompetencey, they have become too comfortable walking all over us

This is getting me bad vibes. I've bought a 13600K last January to replace the parts of my PC, and by now it's still working great, but after reading and watching this, I don't know what to think about. I hope not to spend another 300-350 bucks on a new CPU.

Dancing on rock is a great description, dancing on wasted sand would be more accurate.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="221">3:41</a> Should've called it the Core report, smh

That "electron dance around on a rock" was poetic.

The problem is now well known, it comes more from motherboard manufacturers providing default UEFI settings, not following specs recommanded by intel. Check everything and set manually every setting related to the CPU at the 1st start in order to follow CPU's specs, and your CPU should be fine, if you run default settings without a check, you are basically playing russian roulette with your CPU, with default parameters that over-volt the CPU when not needed (it's normally done for overclocking), even at default frequency, it's slowly destroy the CPU in a matter of weeks, and once done, the CPU is irreversibly damaged. Remember kids, it's not the frequency that kills a CPU, it's the voltage. I wonder if the problem exists at all with a 13/14th gen intel CPU mounted on an intel motherboard, if it does, so the problem comes from intel, otherwise it's time to check what other vendors are doing, especially those on the gaming segment.

I had a problem with Vbox and VMware where enabling 3d accerleration would lead in a 99% chance of the guest system crashing. I thought this was some kind of NVidia problem but no, probably my 13th gen intel core i7 processor.

So around a year ago my coworker was building a new machine and it keep crashing and that thing uses a i9 13900K. He sacked the CPU over to me last February and I couldn’t figure out why it was crashing randomly eithe. I ended up contacting intel support to see if I can RMA the thing, but then told me to turn on Intel Fail safe mode in the BIOS, which then stopped those crashes. That was back just back in May. I mean, I got a free CPU, so I shouldn’t be complaining, but I can’t believe this shit is only being discovered now. I legitimately thought this i9 I have was just a faulty one off

I hate to tell you; this isn't a 100% crash rate. Not at least with the 14900k. There is no way I won the silicon lottery 150 times.

This is karma for decades of illegal business practices

This literally happened to me 2 months ago. Had a i9-13900KF shut down, bsod, gpu error, screens turn off all randomly degrading over time until I RMA'd the thing, had it replaced with a i9-14900KF and literally had the same issue and had to be replaced by yet another 14900KF.

Has someone noted how Linus has been strangely silent about this problem and the situation that developers for windows arm are facing?

What if Intel knows what's the problem? Meaning unfixable hardware mistake. CPU's would have to be replaced, which would be super expensive for Intel. They will rather say we don't know the issue, if your chip dies, buy a new one.

"The gravy train on biscuit wheels is starting to derail " 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lol just noticed this while playing valorant on an i9-13900k. Had this video on the second display. Facepalm...

As someone who recently bought a Ryzen laptop, I feel like a dodged a goddamn bullet lol.

Apple knew and they got out from Intel’s business.

I literally just reformatted because I thought Windows bugs....nope....just have a 13900k

Just had my first BSOD yesterday while making a RAR file. Confirmed that making a RAR file tanked my 14900k, but Cinebench was fine. After updating BIOS with the new Intel mitigations it's working for now.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="6">0:06</a> Intel's Ticking Bomb Inside!

This reminds me of the time when I was shopping for a new laptop sometime last year together with my dad. The staff at the shop showed us different units, one of which had an Intel CPU and some few others with AMD. On paper, the specs for the laptop in the shop with Intel seemed better than the one with AMD, though they cost nearly the same. My dad and I discussed about what to get. He told me that the laptop issued to him at his office has Intel and it ran fine (during that time), while I insisted that I prefer the one with AMD. I said that since I also like to play games, I've read that AMD CPUs were generally better than Intel. I also told him that since my old laptop which lasted for years has AMD, I wanted to get a laptop with an AMD again. In the end, I got the one with an AMD CPU (it's a Lenovo with an AMD Ryzen). At present it still works very well, both for gaming and for working! 😊

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="42">0:42</a> overflowing stack HOW DID ANYONE NOT NOTICE THIS LMAO

Really glad right now that I decided to buy an Intel Core i9 14900K

I'm glad I'm still running an i7-7700K. I can still play all my games at the highest settings. Windows 11 doesn't officially support it but it runs fine, so I've gotten about 7 years out of this CPU so far. I'm hoping to get at least a decade before I even consider upgrading.

Update 8/4/24: It’s much worse than originally led to believe

It's not a rock, it's a mineral. And electrons are not dancing on it, quite the opposite. It is *an insulator* and gold is used as conductor.

So glad I went all amd this time, no melting power connectors, no unstable chips with glaring design flaws. Also was much cheaper while being only 10 percent behind

My understanding of the issue is that Intel's 12th gen processors were fairly good, but in order to get 13th/14th gen (they're basically the same gen, fight me) to market, they had to rush the architecture design, and they rapidly adapted 12th gen into a new architecture by adding more little cores and cache, but in rapidly adapting 12th gen into something it wasn't quite meant to be, they introduced the issues. I'm pretty sure future architectures won't have the issue, as they're ground up redesigns, but I'm also not sure enough to recommend my friends anything other than AMD until I've seen next gen intel chips lasting for more than two years.

I have one of these chips and I have crashes in games. Underclocking helped

OEMs wont complain about this because Intel has bribed them but the customer service department will have a bad month dealing with continuous complaints from customers.

I think it was also really hard to achieve a 100% rate failuire. Well done Intel!

I've been dealing with these issues since October last year, this sh*t started well before February 🙄

Intel really took the saying "it's better to burn out than fade away" to heart.

I own a 14600K, and some games like Terraria, and even Steam itself can crash the entire system. Happens on every OS, and even emulated games. Im starting to think that the CPU is to blame here... Anyone else has this issue?

Tricking rocks into thinking for us was a mistake.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="99">1:39</a> your voice sounded like a real human, noticed for the first time

The Boeing of the Chip industry

"I don't think I could do a better job making a bunch of electrons dance around on a rock." A humble man.

Never thought I'd see a warframe mention on this channel

I immediately went check which generation my chip is. 10th gen. Being broke saved me this time 🤣

Haven't bought an Intel chip since before the AMD FX Bulldozer chips (2013). Originally because AMD was a lot cheaper so I could then get a better GPU. Now my recent upgrade was because AMD was better and cheaper. None of my AMD chips have given a single problem. Yes, the Bulldozer chip still works.

I am running a 14900K and saw this taking shape since February of 2024 when I updated my bios with the latest Microcode at that time. Whatever update they made at that point ruined these 13th and 14th gen processors. Before that I was able to run my 14900k at 6.1Ghz all P-Core and 4.6 all E-core without any crashes or instability issues. Since then, I have had to run it on default settings of 5.7Ghz/P and 4.3Ghz/E and it runs stable within normal operating voltage. I believe my next processor will be AMD based, I am a bit tired of running in circles with Intel. Plus, the longevity of AMD based motherboards is truly outstanding.

the reason why i dont chose Intel is that, when i touch the laptops at the supermarket, the ones running on Intel are always super warm (when room température is 20°C)

Gone are the days when Intel exclusively released processors on various sockets with only 4 cores and at increasingly higher prices😁