Intel Core i9-10900K CPU Review & Benchmarks: Gaming, Overclocking vs. AMD Ryzen 3900X & More

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Intel Core i9-10900K CPU Review & Benchmarks: Gaming, Overclocking vs. AMD Ryzen 3900X & More

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@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

UPDATE: Intel i5-10600K review is now live: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7eGdc90y8ibYoE.html Back-order a GN mouse mat here: store.gamersnexus.net Watch our CPU testing methodology: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qc1pisqortHMpok.html Written article: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3587-intel-core-i9-10900k-cpu-review-benchmarks Article version of test methods: www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3577-cpu-test-methodology-unveil-for-2020-compile-gaming-more

@hardergamer 4 жыл бұрын

When you bench CPU's you always use the RTX 2080TI Which I understand why. But it would be very helpful if you added a midrange card as well, even better a mid-lower end card as well. This will let us all get a much better understanding than just the top card does. If you do not think it will please put a poll up to find out. Thanks to you all at Gamers Nexus!

@metalmaniac788 4 жыл бұрын

@@hardergamer How? The understanding comes from knowing its full power. Look at a gpu chart, with mid to low range gpu's you could probably expect to get every last fps from those cards.

@shawnpitman876 4 жыл бұрын

@@hardergamer Asking for them to show a lower end GPU is just asking for a GPU benchmark. Go watch a GPU benchmark, or learn to understand what the use of a CPU benchmark is.

@koreymcintire3382 4 жыл бұрын

Please never stop the thermal paste trolling... @26:17 I laughed.

@George_K. 4 жыл бұрын

Steve, I suggest it's better to just call them ten ninety okay and ten sixty okay. As far as I know people in the USA spell 0 (zero) as an "oh", so 0K should be fine as oh-K. I'm just guessing here, English is my second language.

@Hardwareunboxed 4 жыл бұрын

We also ran into many BIOS issues. Surprising for a launch that has seemingly been in the works for months

@joniler4287 4 жыл бұрын

So much for intel products just works. Oooo.... its harbour on box.

@skittlebritches9887 4 жыл бұрын

@@joniler4287 you mean Hammer On Box?

@AwesomeBlackDude 4 жыл бұрын

Both manufacturers is goofing up their bios launch... AMD (new tech) and Intel (trump tech) coming w/... let me pull another BS rabbit outta your hat,.. trick. 🐰🤐

@asmongoldsmouth9839 4 жыл бұрын

I would imagine all these failures at launch are from a stumbling race by Intel to attempt to try to poach amd's consumer base with clock frequency gains 😑 I think it's too little too late. When AMD launches there Zen 3 we are promised *AT LEAST* 100MHz gains to each series of CPU vs last generation of that same series ie: 3700X vs 4700X. We are also looing at a 17-20% IPC gain as well. So even though the clock frequencies may not be a massive jump between Generations the manner in which complications are handled and how quickly they're handled is completely different and a massive Improvement in performance. So we will see massive games in benchmarks of games and workloads for editing and production software regardless the minut jump in clock frequencies 👍 Fingers crossed they deliver what is promised.

@terlaluanjay 4 жыл бұрын

Or hardware on box

@derickbishop5565 4 жыл бұрын

He sounded like a meteorologist when he talks about the temperatures of the cpu lol

@shukterhousejive 4 жыл бұрын

Steve should bust out the green screen and review thermals like a weatherman one of these days

@thereddog223 4 жыл бұрын

@@shukterhousejive well Intel does get hot af

@TyrGraveby 4 жыл бұрын

@@shukterhousejive please make this happen

@kramnull8962 4 жыл бұрын

@@shukterhousejive He'd have to be using a 5700xt...

@jafyfaen 3 жыл бұрын

Cus he is

@lilietto1 4 жыл бұрын

Man, I love linus, I've been following him for I don't know, around 10 years ? But his reviews don't hold a candle to yours. I mean, I watch almost every other tech youtuber, but for fun. Gamers Nexus is where I come to have actual facts. And this has been repeatedly proved times and times again.

@aleksandarmitic6072 4 жыл бұрын

I hate how about the question about intels new gen was how hot it runs and he doesn't even show what he used to cool it.

@metroid1122 4 жыл бұрын

Its been this way for me forever. I use Linus videos as a quick picture of the thing then go to GamersNexus for the actual review

@adeo 4 жыл бұрын

@@aleksandarmitic6072 YES! That's the key!

@sirmonkey1985 4 жыл бұрын

to be fair even linus has said that multiple times that there are other sites/youtubers that do a better job with the launch day reviews. what they prefer to do is give a general base line because they know their viewers tend to fall in the casual PC user space and would otherwise not understand or lose interest in the more in-depth stuff and leave that to other reviewers. people always want to make it some sort of competition between reviewers but the reality is there isn't one. each has their own viewer base that they cater toward for how they give information.

@RenderSheep 4 жыл бұрын

lol.... same here.

@paulshardware 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent review as always Steve! Now we have the launch day test: is the 10900K actually available for sale anywhere?!

@Rhimos 4 жыл бұрын

A Friend and I got ours from newegg at 3:02 AM EST today

@hi_tech_reptiles 4 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on what market youre in. Australia isn't looking good from what HWUnboxed said? Idk i dont live there lol.

@helljester8097 4 жыл бұрын

Switzerland here, it was supposed to be available on launch day but in the end only the 10900 vanilla can be ordered and delivery is in a week...even the 3900x and 3950x had better availability on launch days for me...

@detmer87 4 жыл бұрын

Of course not. It's a paper launch because they needed to be before AMD's Ryzen 4000 series...

@pino_de_vogel 4 жыл бұрын

Pre-order in the netherlands. Almost feels like a amd launch.

@Kireddo 4 жыл бұрын

"Maybe we'll call it 10-ninehundo just to really annoy people" best sentence so far this week

@mh13mini 4 жыл бұрын

that's what it would be called in Canada lol

@javiderp3800 4 жыл бұрын

Well I dunno about you guys but I'm going to be calling it the 10-9-hundo from now on

@erejnion 4 жыл бұрын

Ten nine double-o

@sudochmodx3752 4 жыл бұрын

ysac?

@NewLondonMarshall 4 жыл бұрын

Hundred and nine hundred K, seems pretty simple to me!

@seankkg 4 жыл бұрын

The smell of a morning embargo.

@ghomerhust 4 жыл бұрын

feed flood, can yah feel it?!

@neoqueto 4 жыл бұрын

Or rather of a burning embargo in the morning.

@icemanchambers1207 4 жыл бұрын

Or a burning CPU

@arimo3163 4 жыл бұрын

Info overload and I love it !!

@DrearierSpider1 4 жыл бұрын

Knowing how much time goes into the review cycles, I seriously applaud you guys for doing multiple in depth videos on the AMD 400 series fiasco. Keep up the great work, it's very much appreciated by all of us.

@joniler4287 4 жыл бұрын

After Linus's recent video "why i still love intel", here comes intel's reply for his video. Lots of steaming hot love back.

@TheXlen 4 жыл бұрын

Right? I was thinking about how this is a huge kick back :D

@joniler4287 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheXlen but i guess it is jusy down time for intel right now. If i am AMD, i will put in tons of R&D and continously improve upon my cpu for the Return of the empire 1 or 2 years later.

@zigmantassabaliauskas4615 4 жыл бұрын

im very surprised that his chips that he did the review recently were very cool

@Mekaniac 4 жыл бұрын

God, that video title was silly, “love intel”. So what was Linus’ opinion? I’d watch but that click baity title just rubs me the wrong way.

@phaseloli6668 4 жыл бұрын

@@Mekaniac He likes the engineers there working on the CPUs and their attention to detail and how much more difficult switching to AMD for their video server was.

@marleyvaroy-larson315 4 жыл бұрын

I'm excited for the day where intel is over their 14nm hurdle. They can squeeze a lot of performance out of an old node and assuming that AMD keeps up the competition i think in a few years we will have some crazy cpus

@ghomerhust 4 жыл бұрын

this is exactly what im looking forward to. im an admitted amd fanboi, still holding on to my heavily overclocked FX chip, but it's this sudden burst from AMD that is pushing both the hardware and software to new extremes. once intel figures out its desktop 10nm or 7nm, the ball will be slapped back at AMD with some force, and it may be up to Ryzen 4 to smack it back. its a great time to be a techy.

@teaser6089 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah and they will now function as siberian heater as well

@ushdhyxywb 4 жыл бұрын

@@ghomerhust do remember that since now AMD can get a much higher budget for R&D, both the companies might now go head to head. (after Intel gets their 10nm of course)

@Zannooda 4 жыл бұрын

@@ushdhyxywb, Intel abandoned their 10nm program, since there's no point to invest any resources into it when the competitor is beyond 7nm. Next gen of Intel desktop processors will be on 7nm chips (or maybe even 5, but this is unlikely).

@InsuredFrames 4 жыл бұрын

@@Zannooda Intel 7nm = TSMC 5NM (where AMD will be at with Zen 4)

@SonicCaliburS4 4 жыл бұрын

"Oh hey my sub box lit up..maybe a new Hardware Unbox-" **Everyone and their 10900K** "People please I cant handle it all at once"

@DzinkyDzink 4 жыл бұрын

Which Steve though? And why not both?

@sirius4k 4 жыл бұрын

"my sub box" sounds like a BDSM slang.

@MegaGasek 4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with a dirty mind.

@V4zz33 4 жыл бұрын

It's called binge watching;)))

@sirius4k 4 жыл бұрын

@@V4zz33 Whatever you say dude, I'm not judging. (wink wink)

@DrearierSpider1 4 жыл бұрын

Considering the heat of the chip and the cooling requirements, Comet Lake is actually a very fitting name.

@backupplan6058 4 жыл бұрын

First part temperature, second part cooling method. Looking forward to Nova Glacier.

@FatterTony 4 жыл бұрын

Why? A comet is a ball of mostly ice so cold af. Also, most lakes are cold af lol. Good one...

@ZazzilasArden 4 жыл бұрын

@@FatterTony Probably because comets become very, very hot when passing through atmosphere 4head. Kinda like how comet lake is cold until it actually starts doing work.

@virtualtools_3021 4 жыл бұрын

They need Boiling Lake so i can pair it with Volcanic Islands AMD Graphics!

@zshadows 4 жыл бұрын

@@ZazzilasArden Those are meteors. Comets are the icy bodies with long tails in space. As such, Meteor Lake is not looking promising...

@rudresh10000 4 жыл бұрын

GN: Intel Core i9-10900K CPU Review & Benchmarks JayzTwoCents: The Intel i9 10900K is here... But is it enough? LTT: yOuRe sTiLl gOnNa bUy iNteL Huh, they changed the titles. also GN is the gold standard for Reviews for me.

@muhammadkhairulafiq2917 4 жыл бұрын

*Gold standard of review. Many of them use the same benchmarking tool

@redrumze 4 жыл бұрын

LTT’s analysis is right though. Some features that Intel has simply just work. AMD is good but Intel does some things great. Did you even watch that video? He is an entirely different league of user than you or I.

@Real28 4 жыл бұрын

I love all three. They each provide a unique side. But I definitely come here for data.

@shadow7037932 4 жыл бұрын

@@redrumze The only Intel feature that's really useful is Quick Sync if you do encoding. But you can use use NVEC and whatever AMD alternative there is for this if you don't mind a slight quality difference vs Quick Sync.

@alistairblaire6001 4 жыл бұрын

@@redrumze But reviewers are reporting BIOS issues with Intel

@bigbill1467 4 жыл бұрын

"Last year's 10900X, meanwhile, remains... trash, as it always was." BWahhaha

@nbrown5907 4 жыл бұрын

No you propellerheads are funny ;-) Pray Intel and AMD stay competetive or shit will get real expensive.

@limingtogunawan4756 4 жыл бұрын

@@nbrown5907 Exactly, but it's a good roast tho lol.

@Dave-dh7rt 4 жыл бұрын

@OneAboveAll dude, its a 5% difference between the 3900X and 10900X. Lets be real

@bigbill1467 4 жыл бұрын

@OneAboveAll you know we are talking about the 10900X not 10900k in that comment right? Which gets eked out by the 3950x, 3900x, and 3700x(sometimes) in gaming benchmarks which are incredibly cheaper than it, granted this is a workstation CPU, though if you go that route.. it get's absolutely dunked on by AMD counter parts in thread optimized workloads.

@bigbill1467 4 жыл бұрын

@Charlie Brown Bro, we talking the 10900X not 10900k, AMDs upper consumer chips eek it out in most gaming benchmarks.

@silkmonkey 4 жыл бұрын

This was exactly like I expected. Production still loses, 1080p gaming/CPU bottleneck wins, thermals mean you don’t have to pay for heat in the upcoming winter so hey you got that going for you. Jokes aside, more great work, thanks Steve and GN crew!

@josuegutierrez3457 4 жыл бұрын

I recently built a 3900x with a 2080 ti and paired it with 4k monitor. I ain't going back to 1080p ever again. I honestly think Intel will be in deep shit once 4k is mainstream and monitor prices come down. 1080p will become obsolete (In a sense) and I think Ryzen will shine more, since gaming at 4k is mostly GPU bound.

@willb1132 4 жыл бұрын

If you game at 1080p your bottlenecking your life.

@CheapBastard1988 4 жыл бұрын

@@josuegutierrez3457 Went the same route with first gen RYZEN and a 1080Ti. Was a big mistake! 4K is achievable in the beginning but a short time later with newer games the framerates are too low on ultra and 1440p on ultra often looks better than 4K high. If it wasn't for the BIOS updates I would have been pretty fucked with RYZEN on 1440p and in retrospect a 7700K would still have been better. Expect to upgrade that 2080Ti very soon if you want to keep playing on 4K Ultra with decent framerates (60fps+). Lesson I learned from this is if you go high end get the stuff that performs best at that moment in time for the purpose in mind. So if I had to buy a PC for gaming today it would be a combination of a 10900K and a 2080Ti. However both those parts will probably be bumped off the throne within 10 months (max) so I wouldn't buy either. But a better performing CPU could mean you can upgrade the GPU in the future without problems bottlenecking. So if it had to be today I would pick the 10900K.

@jonathanlebon9705 4 жыл бұрын

I love how the 3300x from AMD is rendering 85% of the frames for 20% of the price (CPU alone..not counting extra motherboard and CPU cooler costs, which would make it more like, for under 15% of the cost you can reach 85% of the frames). Insane value right there for anyone wanting a chip for only gaming. Of course if you wanna have those extra 15% frames, you'll have to pay an extra £400-500 for it, CPU/Motherboard costs alone....

@dewaynethomas3122 4 жыл бұрын

@Franku Doge Does it overclock that well though? I've read you can get the 3600 up to the same speeds with overclocks. I'm an undervolter though. Jsut gonna wait for the zen3 series at this point. Seeing Intel's pricing, nothing is coming down like I thought it would. I shouldn't be surprised though.

@jonathanlebon9705 4 жыл бұрын

@Nismo what a load of crock! I've never experienced this instability you speak of. It's a CPU man..meant to tick billions of times over and over reliably..and it always has for me. Intel, on the other hand, I've experienced many overheating issues.

@elijahperez9330 4 жыл бұрын

28:26 "10-9-hundo" 🔥

@KeithZim 4 жыл бұрын

"Cooking with Steve" " Today we are testing the new Corsair Crockpot CPU cooler/slow cooker. "

@DrearierSpider1 4 жыл бұрын

Let's hope it doesn't have an uneven mounting surface this time.

@SonGoku-97 4 жыл бұрын

*burns everything immediately*

@Breloom286 4 жыл бұрын

300 watts of pure flavour

@sirmonkey1985 4 жыл бұрын

going to be the GTX 480 meme's all over again, can already see it. lol

@SpinDlsc 4 жыл бұрын

Crocktot hotpot

@WingMcCallister 4 жыл бұрын

Another video highlighting the benefits of a standardized methodology. Thanks GN.

@naderaboulhosn9729 4 жыл бұрын

It pulls more power than a 64 core threadripper...

@braydennturner 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Intel is dead until they release their new architecture. 14nm is dead.

@perfectman3077 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@alex_tm3197 4 жыл бұрын

@@braydennturner 14 nm is their fabrication node , maybe you should say lake architecture.

@naderaboulhosn9729 4 жыл бұрын

Ya but in their case, they need the nose shrink to push a new architecture... They have literally reached the limits of what the silicon at that level can do

@naderaboulhosn9729 4 жыл бұрын

Nose shrink...

@tendiepepe 4 жыл бұрын

I'm still waiting for intel to release lava lake, oh wait...

@cyberspino6277 4 жыл бұрын

If u don't water cool these they become a lava lake

@cyberspino6277 4 жыл бұрын

@Ishaq Hussain well then looks like it's liquid helium time

@anantawijaya4336 4 жыл бұрын

or maybe volcan lake :))))

@egl12fen 4 жыл бұрын

@25:14 "In this regard, Intel is running below AMD's power consumption, and so has an efficiency advantage". Stock to stock, the 3900x runs the Blender benchmark 18.6% faster for 14.3% higher power consumption. Doesn't this mean the 3900x is the more power efficient cpu in this particular test?

@elon6131 4 жыл бұрын

that is kind of insane considering intel is still on 14nm. and that is only in blender specifically, pretty sure for most other benchmarks it wasn't the case.

@Tc4ify 4 жыл бұрын

@@elon6131 Exactly, 9900k and especially 8700k are actually more power efficient in gaming than even 3rd gen Ryzens and way more than 1st/2nd gen

@dimwillow7113 4 жыл бұрын

because his numbers are totally off.. no idea what his doing.. kit guru got 297 watt during blender while 3900x got 225.. and 3900x is faster so yeah..

@dawienel1142 4 жыл бұрын

@@elon6131 Nope I think Steve got this one wrong, maybe just bad wording there so I will let it pass, also looking at the next chart shows how power consumption shoots up, because of intel's crazy turbo's so your assumption is most likely wrong for most tests, especially lightly threaded ones. (I take this part of the review with a grain of salt and would like Steve to do more testing on this, also I normally watch many reviews and take an average from 10+ reviews since sample size actually matters here)

@dawienel1142 4 жыл бұрын

@@Tc4ify Calm down fanboy there are much more at play here, especially in terms of binning, The best 7nm chips go to Epyc and mobile so desktop gets the worst of the worst and pitting the 3900x vs the 10900k is literally intel's best binning vs AMD's worst, it has been confirmed that one of the CCD's in the 3900x is absolutely terrible silicon and that's why the 3950x is using less power, but getting higher clocks with much more performance, also as has been pointed out, Steve actually made a mistake here even by his own numbers. (Steve probably meant lower power consumption, but still less efficient)

@mrdot1126 4 жыл бұрын

you can get the 3900x for $410 so not even the same price point

@honzaklos 4 жыл бұрын

Let alone the fact that you need to consider the lrice of an adequate cooling solution. Intel went full Pentium 4 on these. :D

@fred290e 4 жыл бұрын

I just picked up mine for $389 at MicroCenter!

@honzaklos 4 жыл бұрын

And the price of a bigass cooling solution needs to be added to the Intel CPU as well...

@MrWasian 4 жыл бұрын

@@fred290e does Microcenter let you build PCs in their stores? I have one not too far from me, but I've always ordered stuff to my home and built it there.

@Omiicron 4 жыл бұрын

@@honzaklos Also let alone the fact that as Steve mentions, only really applies for gaming if you're an FPS snob using a 2080TI eliminating the GPU bottleneck, which is a very small percentage of people.

@TheGoncas2 4 жыл бұрын

I've gotta say I'm fairly impressed with what Intel has managed to pull off with this old 14nm node. No one from 2015 would have ever guessed that their same 14nm node would eventually be able to reach 5.2GHz.

@RCXDerp 4 жыл бұрын

Insane but my 9700k does it on nearly stock voltage. Hopefully the new architecture clocks fast too.

@alrecks619 4 жыл бұрын

10:25 ...meanwhile, 10900X, remains *TRASH* oof!

@ghomerhust 4 жыл бұрын

tech jesus with the SMITE!

@channelasianewterminatexii7594 4 жыл бұрын

@OneAboveAll the different is small lol just for gaming hahahaah U so dumb.

@Multimeter1 4 жыл бұрын

The x299 is a great value. Boards are cheap! Just over clock the cpu and ram really high with tight timings. The better value now. Friend of mine got the 10 core for 350$ brand new at micro center. I would not say it’s trash, but if you over clock the cores, mesh and get fast ram, it shines and even the EVGA x299 dark went on sale for 200$ at once point. It is just shy of 10% in single threaded games. Don’t understand why people bash x299. Seems like devs can’t program multi threaded render works loads like 3Dmark did.

@Multimeter1 4 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/epeSh9Vqm8Csopc.html seems like devs are still single threaded or 2 core limited in DX12 of Vulkan. Seems like bad programming to me and gamers can’t understand this.

@carharttmedios8493 4 жыл бұрын

@@channelasianewterminatexii7594 you are dumb the intel is 14nm vs 7nm but still intel can beat amd in gaming! how about 7nm vs 7nm hahaha..

@nxnja_ 4 жыл бұрын

seeing my 8700k still towards the top of a lot of these charts makes me happy

@GabbyTech 4 жыл бұрын

great review who is excited for 4000 series ?

@anonymous134y 4 жыл бұрын

tbh i want to look into Ryzen gen 4 for nextgen since i'm getting a whole new computer with a nvidia 3xxx GPU but i'm afraid of the software. AMD has the worst software out of any PC part company from drivers to bios. So I'll have to watch out for those issue months after release to see if it's even worth it. My 6700k OCed has never caused me a problem. AMD has bad software rep and they need to fix it. It's cool that they are getting some good hardware for a cheaper price but if i'm going to be crippled due to buying that hardware then i'm going to look the other way. For me it's like buying cheap chinese ripoff tech (phones/phone cameras/android TV/ TVs/ drones), the specs are great but the software makes it not worth it. As a PC gamer, I already waste time with: game mods, getting the best possible settings, and badly utilized games. I don't want to start messing with computer software too. I have never had a CPU/GPU software issue while owning intel/nvidia for the past 10+ years and I have the drivers setup as auto-download/install giving me the latest drivers the day of release. My girlfriend uses my computer on the main TV. This needs to be running 100% of the time. I'll hear about it if it crashes for whatever reason.

@anonymous134y 4 жыл бұрын

@TheGoat yea it sucks. Most reviewers don't tell you the software issues just the benchmarks from their short term testing. I want to keep my PC for multiple years.

@us7876 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing how these guys are able to cover both Intel new products and AMD chipset controversy with such a deep insight in this short period of time. #RESPECT💯

@geikster5371 4 жыл бұрын

you never see testing being done ...

@petenobodiesb5306 4 жыл бұрын

It's a full time job and they're doing a great job at it

@spamlucal 4 жыл бұрын

I think that the cooling solution should be discussed a bit more. The 3900X comes with a very capable cooler to handle it, where it looks like the 10900K needs a CLC to perform as expected, and it doesn't come with it, therefore it should be added to its price.

@honzaklos 4 жыл бұрын

This. Comparing only the CPU prices is not exactly fair. Not even mentioning how much you can save on the motherboard, especially if you plan to upgrade the CPU later on...

@Vaxtin 4 жыл бұрын

Some time in the distant future: "...Today we'll be looking at Intel's brand new Seventeen seven hundred seventy-seven K."

@yujenlin1197 4 жыл бұрын

"Anniversary founders edition”

@AbsoluteUnit1337 3 жыл бұрын

On the 14nm++++++++++++++++ node

@rndompersn3426 4 жыл бұрын

A perf per watt slide would be great. Good work as usual.

@moddedimlose 4 жыл бұрын

It would be a cool statistic, but I think you would have to be in an extremely unique scenario to have this be a factor when selecting a CPU, especially for gaming purposes.

@coopercummings8370 4 жыл бұрын

@@moddedimlose Performance/watt is extremely important in datacenters, but that isn't going to be relevant for the consumer cpu line

@moddedimlose 4 жыл бұрын

@@coopercummings8370 Yes, that is correct. That is literally something I deal with on a daily basis. However, as you mention, that is entirely irrelevant for our discussion.

@heygek2769 4 жыл бұрын

Comet Lake is proof Intel was inflating prices, withholding cores and hyperthreading on most skus.

@elon6131 4 жыл бұрын

it's not, it really isn't. look at that power draw. they had to sand the die ffs. this is skylake pushed to it's most extreme limits.

@Solisium-Channel 4 жыл бұрын

Elon61 yeah but something like this would be in upper thousand dollar range if AMD hadn’t showed up. Intel got beat down back to earth concerning go their ridiculous mark ups.

@kazioo2 4 жыл бұрын

@@elon6131 Both of you are correct. Intel had inflated prices in the past AND did an actual new investment to improve the CPUs. Not a simple black or white case.

@ericmatthews8497 4 жыл бұрын

Value Pricing .. Please learn some basic business .. I hate reading stupid sh*t like this.

@elon6131 4 жыл бұрын

@@kazioo2 ah yeah i was referring more to the cores part, not the pricing inflation, which was (and still is) obvious.

@dawienel1142 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, but @25:14 I believe you made a mistake, the 10900k may have used less power, but I do believe that the 3900x is still more efficient at least for this test since Stock to stock, the 3900x runs the Blender benchmark 18.6% faster for 14.3% higher power consumption, there isn't a massive difference since even though it's 14nm vs 7nm, it's intel's best possible binning vs AMD's worst binning. Besides that this was a very great video, I would like to see more testing on the efficiency aspect though, it's got me intrigued now.

@longnamedude3947 4 жыл бұрын

Intel is really trying to bring the names of these products to life. They wanted to simulate the temperature of a comet as at blasts along through space. And so the Intel i9-10900K was born, with realistic thermal output.

@valentinvas6454 4 жыл бұрын

Next up: Rocket Lake still on 14nm but hey at least new architecture finally.

@elon6131 4 жыл бұрын

@@valentinvas6454 new µarch should bring quite a lot of improvements. intel's 14nm is really good.

@gerv55 4 жыл бұрын

@@elon6131 they've had enough practice at it.....

@Yomom12388 4 жыл бұрын

Comets are huge rocks covered in thick layers of ice. So your comment is kind of pretty stupid.

@VorpalGun 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a performance per energy and performance per cost comparison for individual workloads. If the CPU draws max power all the time during the test you could compute this from the information you have given, but that is not necessarily true. Certain workloads (such as avx heavy ones) might have different behavior. Conversely I would expect the compiler test to have lower energy usage due to a larger number of cache misses making the CPU idle part of the time waiting for data. This would be relevant information to determine which cpu would give the most bang for the buck.

@ArthurShopenhauer 4 жыл бұрын

@TechyBen 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. If not pulling max power this might work out cheaper on powerload than AMD. If pulling full power all the time then it's worse. As AMD occasionally drew more power than this chip if I read the graphs correctly.

@RetroTinkerer 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if it was at Anandtech or Tomshardware "a while ago" they compared the total energy required to complete a workload, for example to convert a movie or to render an animation as a real world power measurement, if a platform had a high maximum power but complete the job fast enough it will consume less power than a competing low power and much slower platform.

@honzaklos 4 жыл бұрын

@@TechyBen Well, if you tried to find the sweet spot for performance/watt by underclocking/undervolting both AMD and Intel CPUs, TSMC's 7nm node would win - look at Zen2 in laptops...

@Puffalupagus360 4 жыл бұрын

I'm really liking this back and forth competition between AMD and Intel as it seems to be pushing the industry forward at a very quick pace.

@tehpanda64 4 жыл бұрын

I enjoy how embarrassingly difficult it was to find gaming scenarios that benefitted from the clock speed. Like who with a 2080ti is playing at medium or "just" high settings? And where is the fortnite bench?!

@bigbill1467 4 жыл бұрын

I know plenty of people who play shooters that run at the most potato settings for performance with a 2080ti at 1080p to try to push 240hz and keep those min frames as high as possible.

@geforce5591 4 жыл бұрын

@@bigbill1467 You know them doesn't mean they aren't the 0.1% of gamers.

@dycedargselderbrother5353 4 жыл бұрын

That's basically who this product is for, the 0.1%.

@nonameyet2205 4 жыл бұрын

@@bigbill1467 And i know plenty who don't

@ericmatthews8497 4 жыл бұрын

But that also means that if you are running a recent Intel chip .. and gaming is your jam .. You can ignore Zen too.

@PhatPhinx 4 жыл бұрын

Man that 3300x sure is looking valuable as hell I can't wait for high end r3

@dewaynethomas3122 4 жыл бұрын

The new APU's will apparently have 8 cores 16 thread too. 4k series gonna be amazing if that carries over.

@dewaynethomas3122 4 жыл бұрын

@Rohan Rathour blow them out the water.. right? :D

@bubuasqw123 4 жыл бұрын

738.09€ with PCIe 3.0 and a maximum of 16 PCIe Lanes...

@redrock425 4 жыл бұрын

£529 I see in the UK. Definitely not cheap...

@WyattOShea 4 жыл бұрын

$999 here in Aus...OOF

@mariodrv 4 жыл бұрын

😆

@sarahjones1870 4 жыл бұрын

@@WyattOShea Which is £535....

@p4p4juju 4 жыл бұрын

@@redrock425 and £420 in a month or so on ebay.

@MangaMaster13 4 жыл бұрын

So we're on 14 nm++++++ now?

@svan71 4 жыл бұрын

++++++

@SonGoku-97 4 жыл бұрын

is so sad the meme is almost not funny anymore. almost

@slavepusher 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe Intel wanted to do a Netburst tribute? Many things about this chip reminds me of my P4 (Willamette)...

@honzaklos 4 жыл бұрын

@thatonedaveguy As long as you have a really strong cooling solution. In performance per watt, AMD wins hands down (and older Intel CPUs probably beat these as well, unless you downclock/undervolt). Imagine that if AMD spent 5 years mastering and overclocking Zen2...

@phazonclash 4 жыл бұрын

Zen 2 CPUs are still faster than these Intel CPUs at the same frequency. And it was the case too during the Pentium 4 vs Athlon era: The Athlon was faster at the same clock speed (Athlon 2800+ running at 2.1GHz vs Pentium 4 2.8GHz for example)

@petertanpt84 4 жыл бұрын

Except that this time Intel is actually better at gaming than AMD, P4 Willamette was just total trash outside of niche SSE2 enhanced apps IIRC

@theorist5497 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a 10-9-Hundo, though, to be honest, I probably would have bought a 3950x or 3900x if I could have found a damn x570 motherboard that I wanted in stock anywhere on earth. I have no time to wait, as my daily driver build went kaput on me about a week and a half ago - so Im in dire need of a new build asap. With that said, I'm sure I'll be quite happy with the 10900k.

@donicsm7684 4 жыл бұрын

Also, WTH, you're coming up on 1mil subs! You guys are blowing up. Cannot have happened to a better channel IMO.

@wabash9000 4 жыл бұрын

wait... they still havn't given you a MRSP? That's crazy to ask you to publish a review when you can't do performance per dollar.

@philhalo66 4 жыл бұрын

he said like 8 times, its around 500, intel says 488.

@shaynegadsden 4 жыл бұрын

@@philhalo66 he said that's a guess and the $488 is for 1000 units it looks like retail is $530 at best

@elon6131 4 жыл бұрын

@@shaynegadsden he said retail between 500 to 540 depending on retailer

@philhalo66 4 жыл бұрын

@@shaynegadsden every single reviewer says $500

@nicholasbuckner5221 4 жыл бұрын

It's around if you buy 1000 at one time. That is the price retailers would buy it for. MSRP would be a rough % above that. The real cost also includes motherboards.

@skyhawk21 4 жыл бұрын

Why is no one showing temps with a affordable real cooler

@mfdsuk 4 жыл бұрын

So happy with my 3950x given my workload is mostly compression and decompression with some light 60hz gaming... But still good to see competition.

@GamersNexus 4 жыл бұрын

What kind of work do you do?

@mfdsuk 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus This is on my personal box that primarily does Usenet and 60hz gaming. It used to be the case that you could download archives quicker then you could PAR and 7ZIP them. Now thanks to the core wars we are back to the Internet speed being the bottleneck. Unfortunately in my professional life (IT Security) there is a monopoly and we still pay $200k for servers with sandy bridge CPUs in them!!

@krandeloy 4 жыл бұрын

[Capt. Kirk]: COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!

@sulphurous2656 4 жыл бұрын

Kek

@patrickgoodhart9294 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone else laughing about the hype about CPUs/MBs that can't be found at retail? Steve seems to be the most realistic - others keep talking about AMD 3100, 3300x, and new Intel CPUs like you can just expect them to be in stock at Amazon, Microcenter, and NewEgg...

@patrickgoodhart9294 4 жыл бұрын

And at or below MSRP too - I'm not talking about Newegg.com's "ebay third party auction prices"

@TalonsTech 4 жыл бұрын

I have 3 10900K. All purchased at MSRP. Newegg and Microcenter purchases. I don’t think they’re that rare?

@dasitmaneayylmao2729 4 жыл бұрын

Talons Tech Talk micro center is pc components Mecca. Your view is skewed.

@shadow7037932 4 жыл бұрын

@@TalonsTech Micro Center has great deals esp. on CPU + Mobo combo discount. Unfortunately, most people don't have a Micro Center near them.

@TalonsTech 4 жыл бұрын

Isogen like I said I got 2 10900K from Newegg which everyone has access to in the United States.

@calciumgoodness4073 4 жыл бұрын

28:50 7GHz?? Keen for that video

@NeroKoso 4 жыл бұрын

Really wanted to preorder this CPU. But I waited for this video. I will wait and see if BIOS issues gets fixed first. So glad this channel exists! Saved a lot of headache.

@bsx132 4 жыл бұрын

Every new release comes with BIOS issues, usually Intel's are minor and last a few days to a week maybe a little longer, AMD's have lasted months on some. Rocket lake is rumored at the end of the year or beginning of next year

@setupandey4819 4 жыл бұрын

Ima wait for the 4900x lmao

@CaptnKrksNippls 4 жыл бұрын

You people are acting like this wasn't exactly what we expected from a refresh part essentially.

@crazytech5755 4 жыл бұрын

@@zoltanbartha5352 Poor people lol. I just bought me a 3900x, and a 2080 super. Cause I have a job and calculate bills and make smart choices. The system will do anything latest consoles will do, and when I want better by that time I can sell the pc, and pay the extra half for the new stuff. you people who "wait" months, to sometimes a year lol. So much time wasted away while life is already short enough.

@MrEditsCinema 4 жыл бұрын

@@crazytech5755 I cashed my i7 6700k, mobo, ram in for a ryzen 3600, good x570 mobo and 16gb 3200mhz ram. Only paid £150 to "upgrade" the new 4th gen is literally around the corner that's why I got the 3600. I'm looking to get a 4700x or 4900x. Honestly though I'm loving the 3600..the extra 2 cores and 4 threads have actually made quite a difference.. Might keep it for a while

@leaaae4638 4 жыл бұрын

waiting for it too, but i think it wont be out until end of year

@PerseusKarvasius 4 жыл бұрын

same waiting for 4900x and next gen nvidia 2170/80

@debaronAZK 4 жыл бұрын

take a hundred shots every time Steve says 'hundred'

@BudgetGamerz 4 жыл бұрын

What an in-depth review. Unlike Linus 96% talking about unrelated stuff and opinions and 2% facts and 1% Segway to sponsors benchmarks.

@tulus38 4 жыл бұрын

I'll just wait for Zen 3 to launch and decide which one I'll spend my money on.

@crazytech5755 4 жыл бұрын

I'll just not waste my life, and purchase parts and and after a half of year I'll sell the the system and only need to pay the same I've paid now if I want the latest and greatest. That's what real smart people do.

@lifemocker85 4 жыл бұрын

@@crazytech5755 smart people wont buy jewtel

@tulus38 4 жыл бұрын

@@crazytech5755 heh, I'll just wait and buy the best between two then I'll flip my "old" components. Ryzen parts are in hot demand in my area.

@tulus38 4 жыл бұрын

@G A yea, good luck on selling one year old parts for remotely close price as new.

@Skeens55 4 жыл бұрын

Opens Gamers Nexus, Jayz2Cents, and LTT videos all at once because I can't decide which to watch first on these.

@jvccr7533 4 жыл бұрын

watch them all at once for best results

@thepolticalone961 4 жыл бұрын

The one who doesn't use question marks and sensationalist titles

@SonGoku-97 4 жыл бұрын

GN obv

@WindZWizard 4 жыл бұрын

Want a real unbiased review? Watch this. Want an opinion mostly based on air? Watch the other channels.

@gasoau 4 жыл бұрын

@@SonGoku-97Totes

@kaloy066 4 жыл бұрын

14nm++++++++ power! this is what happens when you limit resources, you get creative. I salute Intel's engineers for squeezing that 14nm++++++++++++++++++ really surprised for the performance, I guess this is still the best gaming(only) CPU? But hey Intel, you may wanna get that 7nm in check before our electricity bills get too high. Still going for AMD though, for productivity and some stuff.

@Quake_Masta 4 жыл бұрын

Go back to reddit where you belong shill

@julius2349 4 жыл бұрын

@@Quake_Masta he said it is the best gaming only CPU which is exactly what it is so the only shill here is you

@Quake_Masta 4 жыл бұрын

@@julius2349 Found another shareholder.

@julius2349 4 жыл бұрын

@@Quake_Masta oh I wish I was a shareholder $$$, but sadly I ain't :/

@2ndAveScents 4 жыл бұрын

I think my 8700k is safe until DDR5 and PCIe 4.0. My 1080 will hopefully be looking like worth swapping out by the end of the year depending on how Nvidia and AMD deliver on GPU’s this year.

@SWEATY-Braaapper666 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 9900k but dude I want this lol...that's fps looks so good but I dont think its worth

@HollowRick 4 жыл бұрын

@@SWEATY-Braaapper666 dude you have a i9 9900k you're fine.. you wanna buy a new system for 10 more fps at 1080p medium settings with a 2080 ti? Save your money wait for nvidias Amper Cards and upgrade to a 3080 ti

@SWEATY-Braaapper666 4 жыл бұрын

@@HollowRick well games like csgo and I would imagine fortnite the 10th gen had literally 100 more fps than the 9900k and the 3900x...that's not every game I know..but I should probably just wait for pcie 4 and ddr5

@HollowRick 4 жыл бұрын

@@SWEATY-Braaapper666 not really gonna be that much of Jump in them games I'd say as the 10900k is essentially i9 9900k with 2 more cores 4 more threads and 200mhz more frequency i9 9900k is good for while get a better GPU

@2ndAveScents 4 жыл бұрын

Salt Maker the only one worth the price of upgrade would be 2080 TI and that’s minimum 900 for a used one. 3080 ti supposed to be cheaper and far faster so I’ll be looking for that.

@Vinterloft 4 жыл бұрын

Intel: "My work here is done" Everyone: "But you didn't do anything" Intel: *Swoosh*

@shawnpitman876 4 жыл бұрын

Nah last one needs to say "We increased powedraw".

@colourfulcookie 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for not only giving very accurate results but for also interpreting them and applying them to the real world! I'm missing that in a lot from other reviewers

@callidusvulpes5556 4 жыл бұрын

Last time I was this early Intel still made good price to quality ratio CPUs.

@svan71 4 жыл бұрын

you have a long memory :)

@SonGoku-97 4 жыл бұрын

well I mean if your competing with yourself you kind of set the bar I guess? glad amd is doing so well now. have no excuse for intel to fck our wallets with quad cores now

@buenaventuralosgrandes9266 4 жыл бұрын

Bro, did you just got a long hibernation or what?

@AdamDeBeers 4 жыл бұрын

I used to be an Intel guy like you, then I took a Ryzen 3900x to the knee.

@crazytech5755 4 жыл бұрын

3900x is a monster, and will continue to grow with the new consoles. in real world gaming it's about the same fps wise if playing ultra (like I do) Not only this, you can pverclock 6 of the cores to 4.6ghz and 6 to 4.3. it's such a great cpu.

@AdamDeBeers 4 жыл бұрын

@@crazytech5755 Exactly, I bought it 3 months ago and paired it with Nvidia 2080 Super, I am absolutely happy with my gaming/streaming/editing rig

@AdamDeBeers 4 жыл бұрын

@@no_thing_378 I think we can wait next 5 years for Intel 7nm for sure.

@AdamDeBeers 4 жыл бұрын

@@no_thing_378 Yeah, Intel is still very strong on the market, you are absolutely right. For me as a customer is very important thing and it is "bang for the buck". I had always Intel, I did choose Ryzen 3900x and I know I wont go back. I would really like to see this with Amd vs Nvidia. There is only one thing sure for me, I wont buy AMD gpu after the experience I had before. Ofc every customer can have different experience with different brands or products. I am speaking just for myself. If somebody is happy with Intel, go for it, if somebody is happy with AMD, go for it. I am just very happy for being AMD around, otherwise Intel would charge arm, leg and a kidney for 2 Core Cpu. If there is no competition, you can charge as much as you want.

@hmandrandomnumbersafterwards 4 жыл бұрын

Guys, you're amazing, the essential information, brought objectively, without unnecessary bad acting and puns, in a very short notice can't be beaten by anything else when it comes to hardware news!

@markwilson7013 4 жыл бұрын

6:19 I like how your new mouse mat made the chip look rhombus in shape :)

@Deus1236 4 жыл бұрын

The quality of your content, especially on the technical side is amazing. Keep up the good -- and precise -- work!

@dracaru8994 4 жыл бұрын

This is the ONLY place for new cps review, thank you Tech Jesus

@SonGoku-97 4 жыл бұрын

I love steves smart ass remarks

@themagiceye6723 4 жыл бұрын

It'll be interesting to see if Ryzen 4000 series is able to match or even pass these Intel chips in gaming. Intel's lead isn't huge, and the rumoured IPC increases for new Ryzen could make it a really close run thing. Either way, in all seriousness, the frame rates you get these days from mid-range chips like an R5 3600 are all 99% of gamers will ever need. There seems less and less point spending top dollar with each new generation. (edit: grammar)

@jackiecs8190 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for including compile times, super useful!

@nojusz9415 4 жыл бұрын

Ryzen looks alot more sleek, but mehhh i’m still waiting for the rgb cpu.

@alrecks619 4 жыл бұрын

RGB Silicon, PCB and IHS

@MaaZeus 4 жыл бұрын

RGB pins or go home.

@MrWasian 4 жыл бұрын

The Prism stock cooler AMD bundled was surprisingly sick.

@Babinsk1 4 жыл бұрын

Corsair wants to know your location

@jonathanmarsh8119 4 жыл бұрын

And here I sit with my i5-2500k still going ... maybe 1 more generation before I upgrade.

@dorfschmidt4833 4 жыл бұрын

Wait for DDR5.

@bsx132 4 жыл бұрын

@@dorfschmidt4833 If you want to keep your DDR3 the 4790k is more than enough to run basically anything out at 1080p

@dewaynethomas3122 4 жыл бұрын

I got an A10-5800k and I'm still waiting. CPU and GPU are still way overpriced. Hell, i might jsut throw linux on a new PS5 and call it a day.

@paul1978g 4 жыл бұрын

Similar situation. i7-5930K, not really feeling the pinch yet, I'm about to drop my 3rd GPU upgrade since i built this rig 5 years ago and nothing is really taxing it. Intel stuff might be pricey, but I seem to be able to go quite a number of years between upgrades.

@brandonlittle6444 4 жыл бұрын

Steve, you look nearly pissed off at the end of the video.. hahah

@ilpatongi 4 жыл бұрын

And rightfully so, I'd say

@anethum2079 4 жыл бұрын

You deserve more views. Thank you guys.

@deilusi 4 жыл бұрын

if everyone would be as professional as this review is ....

@honzaklos 4 жыл бұрын

Burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn! Not a bad CPU for Alaskans or Siberians, I guess...

@phaseloli6668 4 жыл бұрын

But it runs cooler than 9th gen tho

@flagovhate 4 жыл бұрын

@@th3WhiteKnight global warming is a myth, stop it.

@dorfschmidt4833 4 жыл бұрын

@@th3WhiteKnight Global what ?

@honzaklos 4 жыл бұрын

@@phaseloli6668 I guess the thicker heat spreader really helps for CPU temps. But those watts gotta go somewhere...

@Waldherz 4 жыл бұрын

Why cant anyone release a product that works as advertised with no issue? This isnt a 50€ videogame. Its a productline thats up to 1000€ and beyond. And people rely on this to work because they need it to work. This is really really worrying, both with AMD and Intel in the past years.

@sirmonkey1985 4 жыл бұрын

because cpu's have become so much more complicated then they once use to be.. but my hunch is the whole 5.3Ghz boost crap was added later and/or modified after the review samples went out which forced the board partners to scramble to change stuff before launch.

@Waldherz 4 жыл бұрын

@@sirmonkey1985 Exactly. I expect companies to do in depth testing before they release such a product. Or roll back ont he feature and mark it as experimental :/

@summushieremiasclarkson4700 4 жыл бұрын

Still probably not quite good enough, I am aware of the security flaws and the numerous other disadvantages that have been beaten to death, but fair's fair, not as bad as I'd expected. Pleasantly surprised.

@elon6131 4 жыл бұрын

the security flaws are massively overhyped, and most of them are fixed by now (i think the latest two might still be exploitable but like local access so who cares.)

@ostrichsizedgaming7984 4 жыл бұрын

@@elon6131 they may be fixed but at the loss of at least 35% performance across all workloads

@Tc4ify 4 жыл бұрын

@@ostrichsizedgaming7984 LOL, AMDumb detected

@ZazzilasArden 4 жыл бұрын

@@renmcmanus I have a couple. venturebeat.com/2019/05/14/intel-zombieload-flaw-forces-os-patches-with-up-to-40-performance-hits/ www.techpowerup.com/264676/intel-processors-hit-with-lvi-security-vulnerabilities-mitigation-hits-performance-hard

@ZazzilasArden 4 жыл бұрын

@@Tc4ify The funny thing about your comment is that he isn't even lying, and it shows that you're just too dumb to do a quick info check. Here are a couple of sources for you. venturebeat.com/2019/05/14/intel-zombieload-flaw-forces-os-patches-with-up-to-40-performance-hits/ www.techpowerup.com/264676/intel-processors-hit-with-lvi-security-vulnerabilities-mitigation-hits-performance-hard

@devilmikey00 4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, this is the first time since they introduced the I9 line that intels entire line up naming scheme makes sense, at least on the desktop. I3 4c/8t, I5 6c/12t, I7 8c/16t and I9 10c/20t. As annoying as it might be to SAY the names for the first time in a LONG time this all makes sense in a way someone wouldn't need to spend a while deciphering wth the differences between chips are and if it's worth the money. Now their mobile line...holy shit that's a different story.

@archfxt3619 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao , mobiles are a whole nother valley

@VCRAGE 4 жыл бұрын

This is what a panicked and rushed release looks like folks. AMD have shaken Intel's confidence ;)

@TheWatchdogtutorials 4 жыл бұрын

And the dumbest comment goes to vcrage

@CheapBastard1988 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWatchdogtutorials Not really because Intel is known for a stable release while this isn't. Intel is still the gaming king but the release does seem rushed. Wouldn't be surprised if they release something better within a year. If AMD had nothing good they probably wouldn't have released these CPUs just like Nvidia doesn't release the RTX3000 series because AMD has nothing high end right now. As a result Intel has the disadvantage of being the fastest but there aren't GPUs that are fast enough for it to really matter. They do have the advantage of the recent AMD faux pas being just a few days before this release. I myself am looking a lot more interested at Intel products now because AMD doesn't support Zen3 on X370. If it wasn't for that I would have gotten a Zen3 R9 no question but now ehhh I'm thinking a stopgap Zen2 CPU and buy a new motherboard with DDR5 and the fastest gaming CPU for that generation. So if Intel manages to stay ahead by then I'll buy Intel (even if the advantage is 2% when overclocked). If my motherboard died tomorrow I'd use an old PC till Zen3 comes out but if Zen3 would still be behind Intel I'd buy Intel.

@TheWatchdogtutorials 4 жыл бұрын

@@CheapBastard1988 its not rushed because its still on 14nm, new features trying to see how it works before they release 10nm or 7nm.

@TheWatchdogtutorials 4 жыл бұрын

@Martin M you mean you spotted the guy that can afford intel? Bum ass

@stanleykinzinger 4 жыл бұрын

PC Gaming Tutorials TRIGGERED

@donicsm7684 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Steve. This might perhaps a question for #askGN. If a GPU bottleneck is present in a game, would it be wrong to benchmark that same game in a lower resolution? Could that kind of data be an accurate indication of CPU performance with better graphics cards in the future?

@Tasso-d2 4 жыл бұрын

Gamers nexus and digital foundry once again with the spectacular review. Other more popular tech you tubers poo the bed, with their click bait thumbnails, lack of benchmarks and facts, just payed off my amd to tell their viewers the intel platform isn’t comparable.

@Ryukushin 4 жыл бұрын

After watching linus's review, then reading some more articles on these chips, I think this is Intels Hail Mary and I don't think its going to stick the landing

@ArchusKanzaki 4 жыл бұрын

Hail Mary what? So far the number seems to be that Intel is better than expected with just 14 nm. If AMD somehow slips up on Zen 3, they'll lose the ground made by Zen 2. So horray for competition.

@CaptnKrksNippls 4 жыл бұрын

If you think this incremental upgrade is intels "hail mary" you're fucking delusional

@c.m3558 4 жыл бұрын

@@ArchusKanzaki its pretty much a expected improvement compared to coffee lake. Nothing unbelievably special imo

@MrMuBot 4 жыл бұрын

This is why I chose the 3900X to render my 3d stuff & 4k videos for youtube.

@Admiration9 4 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely buying this, can't wait for the userbenchmark comparisons!

@jolupapi 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao can't tell if trolling

@SrEvill 4 жыл бұрын

i hope this is ironic

@spectre722 4 жыл бұрын

@@jolupapi let the man buy his chip and leave the ayymd circlejerk for reddit...

@HQmusic9 4 жыл бұрын

@@spectre722 Do you know that userbenchmark is so shit that even Intel subreddit banned it? This has nothing to do with being Intel or AMD fanboy its just fact that UB is not trustworthy website.

@alowe8129 4 жыл бұрын

I sincerely hope that the people running UserBenchmark are on Intel's payroll or something like that No one would be sad enough to waste their life pushing such misinformation for free right?

@leguama 4 жыл бұрын

This just makes me want Ryzen even more not gonna lie

@braceyourself3537 4 жыл бұрын

Gee, someone saying Ryzen is better on an Intel video - never seen that before.

@leguama 4 жыл бұрын

Brace Yourself glad I could help ma dude

@yagooatthegoat 4 жыл бұрын

Why people cry when b450 could not support ryzen 3000 (I know they changing it now) but Intel makes you buy a different motherboard every new gen cpu they release right?

@hendaben 4 жыл бұрын

Because intel fans have this autistic double standard

@kotekzot 4 жыл бұрын

Because AMD semi-promised support, then went back on it. Also, better socket support was a big talking point for pro-AMD people.

@gr82banautiger24 4 жыл бұрын

Can we see temps for the OC?

@ArchusKanzaki 4 жыл бұрын

Around 90ish degree. The OC is basically pushing the processors to the maximum temp limit.

@pocketmoon 4 жыл бұрын

1% lows are more important than average. Would be great if you could use that value as the default om charts.

@phazonclash 4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if that's all Intel got to compete the 1year old 3900X, how do they think they will compete against the upcoming Ryzen 4900X that will be released this fall? I wouldn't even be surprised to see them lose their lead in gaming performance too... -_-

@samuelschwager 4 жыл бұрын

Perfect to keep my coffee warm!

@0528Leetho 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao at everyone downing intel. AMD has still not passed them. Sure AMD has more cores now and lower mm. But intel is still the chip to buy unless you are a media professional...

@exponentialdongexpansion5223 4 жыл бұрын

ok troll intel is still on 14nm

@yashgupta9190 4 жыл бұрын

That's true I agree man whenever I comment on these type of topics on the side of Intel, people starts teaching me that amd has got slot of cores and threads and so but they just don't get it that cores and thread are for workstation and here we are looking at an individual setup. Also no one notices the clock boosting rate of Intel in higher than of amd's ryzen threadripper

@exponentialdongexpansion5223 4 жыл бұрын

@@yashgupta9190 Cores and threads are useful for just about everything, AMD still dominates in just about everything besides gaming and Adobe. Even then AMD is still very close to matching Intel. That's not even considering the fact that Ryzen 4th gen isn't out yet. AMD also kills Intel in terms of value, their 3600 is insanely good for just about everything for under $200, and their 16 core 3950X is $100 less than the 10900K at this point. Higher boost clocks don't really matter for anything besides gaming, and that's apparent as Intel still loses for almost everything that isn't specifically gaming. Not like Intel has a big gaming lead in the first place.

@yashgupta9190 4 жыл бұрын

@@exponentialdongexpansion5223 so amd is best from intel??

@exponentialdongexpansion5223 4 жыл бұрын

@@yashgupta9190 AMD is better than Intel.

@husamabou-shaar9740 4 жыл бұрын

Costs at least $350 more compared to 3900x: at least $150 for a decent AIO to get similar temps to what can be achieved with 3900x's box cooler + $100 more on mb to get a b450 or b550 which delivers similar or better features (you will able to get some pcie gen.4 support on b550) + at least $100 price difference for the cpu itself (assuming it is not a paper launch), and I am not even counting the upgraded PSU cost. That is a pretty tough sell even for gamers, for $350 you would be able to upgrade the GPU a whole tier up.

@solidreactor 4 жыл бұрын

I have a feedback, when reviewing CPU for games you should perhaps have 2 tiers of titles. Tier 1 would be "normal" games where you primarily play on 1440 and 4K, titles like Tomb Raider and other "pretty" high quality games. In other words leaving the 1080 resolution behind. Tier 2 titles should be the "esports" titles like Overwatch, CS:Go and Modern Warfare. These titles are build for high refresh rates and should be primarily tested on 1080 and 1440, putting emphasis on the "1% lows" e.i. the frame time stability with the high refresh rates. Please do not test games with engines that are not built and optimized for esports in 720 or 1080 resolution (like many others do). It does not make sense to extrapolate "esport performance" of the CPUs by using 720 or 1080 resolution, they are not made for it. You did explain in the video briefly on this subject which I appreciate, would love it if you could add more emphasis on your future reviews with something like this Tier 1 and 2 suggestion of mine, or your own take in it. Edit: Would love to have more info in the review about the chipset platform. From what I understand one single NVMe disk can saturate the I/O between chipset and CPU. Also the CPU doesn't support NVMe when you have PCIe 3.0 x16 configuration for the graphics card, there are just not enough PCIe lanes.

@imfromanotherplanet 4 жыл бұрын

Seriously , not trying to bash any company/ppl BUT! Who buys a 500USD cpu and plays at 1080p Medium settings ? im just asking.

@dwikydarmawan6373 4 жыл бұрын

Probably nobody, Steve said himself that it's not very realistic scenario. But afaik, the higher the game settings, the more workload is being shifted from CPU to GPU. So to actually test the CPU performance, he lowered the settings so CPU need to work more than GPU

@Tc4ify 4 жыл бұрын

Competitive gamers, many actually play even on low or 720p medium or even 720p low - you'd be surprised...

@mangshu21 4 жыл бұрын

if u play fps at 70 fps on ultra 4k u are a dummy

@trash3570 4 жыл бұрын

It's very common for esport players to play 1080p low with a 9900k

@chrispartridge1369 4 жыл бұрын

It's not to simulate real life settings, it's to objectively compare CPU performance

@couch9416 4 жыл бұрын

I am very "excited" for this, or to be more accurate curious

@igoresque 4 жыл бұрын

I like how Intel's spreadsheet said "Base clock" "up to" for every chip

@EyesOfByes 4 жыл бұрын

24:22 The i9-10900K will be a perfect heater for my apartment this winter. I'd buy a big external radiator and put it outdoors in minus 10°C. Nice and quiet indoors. 🥶